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« Reply #225 on: May 09, 2016, 11:13:52 AM »

For those that have heard/downloaded, Scott's recently released song, "Only Love", the irony is nothing short of stunning. Described as follows: "Scott Bennett has teamed up with Billy Roach to create a beautiful ballad reminiscent of a John Lennon classic. The song tackles life's difficulties and how only love can save us sometimes." Obviously, one can never know what really transpires in another couple's life and marriage, but listening to these lyrics, it's hard not to imagine that this is an expression of his regret to his wife.

As to all the posts on this topic. For me, I think it's because all of us feel such a connection to Brian and the band that this just feels like such a betrayal. Clearly, our feelings are of no consequence or importance. I feel heartsick for the victim in this as well as Scott's wife, daughter, friends and family. He has shattered many lives by his actions and some things are simply too much to ever really be repaired.
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« Reply #226 on: May 09, 2016, 11:19:58 AM »

I was a facebookfriend of Scott's prior to the deletion of his account and I had taken note that many of his posts over the pasts few months wered focused on praising his wife. I feel bad for her in all this too.
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« Reply #227 on: May 09, 2016, 11:34:41 AM »

Just so this thread. Somewhat speechless. Also trying not to let emotion weigh in but after sifting through a lot of these pages...a couple of points.

Sorry, but Bennett is a pig. The truth can hurt but it is what it is. No excuses, no " yes but "....a freaking creep and a criminal. Nice people are funny when they are drunk, creeps are ugly when they are drunk.

Some of you mentioned suing the casino. That is moronic. Bennett is the rapist. Some of you also mentioned his life being ruined. Don't count on it. Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Bill Clinton....just a few other pigs that come to mind and millions of people overlook the fact that they are pigs because of other more noteworthy accomplishments.





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« Reply #228 on: May 09, 2016, 11:35:46 AM »

I just went back and re-read the docket sheet GV33 posted back on page 4 (I believe).  A lot has been said about the video evidence which obviously is damning, but look also at the actual trial itself.  It looks like the prosecutors had over 2 days of witnesses.  Guessing these would be hotel security people.....All the DNA stuff and the associated people....who knows, maybe the victim knew others at the hotel.  None of us are sure of the timing, but she obviously got help and some GREAT advice the next morning whether it be the hotel security staff, the police, or friends that allowed for the DNA to be collected.  Though it wasn't stopped real time by hotel security, it appears they did come to her aid at some point.

It also spoke of the court telling the Bennett NOT to have any contact with the defendant.  Not sure if this is normal protocol in a rape case, or sadly their may have been some communication between 12/14 and 4/16 and the judge maybe had to re-state this in the court record.  My gut just wrenches seeing him remanded over to the local authorities with no bail..

Time to go listen to Pet Sounds I guess.....
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« Reply #229 on: May 09, 2016, 11:50:54 AM »

The fact that the press is gonna keep pestering Brian for further comment just makes me pissed as hell.

Brian's representative posts yesterday on his website that Brian will have no further comment on the topic... Rolling Stone is aware of this (and even quotes Brian from Brian's site), then Rolling Stone proceeds to state that they then ignored what he said, and asked him for further comment. As though a guy in his mid 70s needs to deal with this crap.

What the f*ck about Brian not having anything more to say on the topic does Rolling Stone not understand? Unbelievable.


"He said 'No comment.' When we asked for a comment, he said, 'no comment.'" Jesus.  Roll Eyes. They at least could have written it to sound less dorky.
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« Reply #230 on: May 09, 2016, 12:23:09 PM »

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« Reply #231 on: May 09, 2016, 12:27:30 PM »

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Some questions - why was she in the lift if she was only at a party, did they meet before and have conversation, was anything said in the lift, if he wanted sexual gratification why limit himself to a practice which is usually to provide pleasure to the other person rather than yourself.  I'm just playing devil's advocate here and am not trying to denigrate the victim and do have sympathy with her predicament but this is just to show the stupidity of discussing something of which we know very little.

What I see, looking back and trying to read between the lines, is what I saw the first time: a much older man and younger woman, he in a famous touring band: socially, there's an imbalance that he should have been cautious not to exploit (obviously he wasn't). She was impaired enough that she wasn't fully ambulatory and that she didn't remember anything. He was unimpaired enough that he remembered things and that he got her to his room and out again. He raped her on camera in the hall. Later, he left her passed out in the hall.
Unless the article is actually incorrect, those are the facts.
What's the mitigation here?

  Your earlier post actually suggested that he may have done this previously because he did it this time.  On that basis Trump has run for president before and Kennedy was killed more than once.

That's absolutely not analogous and quite absurd.
As for the rest - prosecuting the victim - wth? really?

The whole point was to exaggerate.  You said that because he had done it this time he may have done it before.  I was making the point that this presumption is absolutely stupid.  

Who is prosecuting the victim?  Do you not know the meaning of the phrase 'devil's advocate'?  I'm pointing out to you that there is an enormous amount of information missing which could, perhaps, show that the sexual encounter was consensual. As he admitted to oral sex the defence is obviously down to this and yet there is nothing in the article about it at all which begs the question what else is missing?

It looks to me like the reporter turned up for the summing up by the prosecution, judging by the inflammatory wording, and based most of his article on it.  Deciding on the fairness of the trial based on a couple of paragraphs from a local paper and without the complete information is silly and pointless.
 

I've been thinking about this and it's occurred to me that maybe some people are unaware of the legal definitions of rape. They've been changing in the last few decades, and now in most states of the US using another person's body to perform a sex act when they are incapacitated due to inebriation or drugs is rape, whether or not they verbally consented.
In this case, unless the information in that article was outright incorrect, that's what happened. Why the woman was there, what she said, whether she flirted with him, whether he was drunk, whether she wanted to go to his room, all of that is irrelevant. He used her body for a sex act when she was incapacitated. That's all that needs to be known.
It's a change from earlier definitions and will be a cultural change in some subsets of the population.

Keep that in mind when you are in the US, and if you have children, make them aware as well.
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« Reply #232 on: May 09, 2016, 12:35:49 PM »

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« Reply #233 on: May 09, 2016, 12:41:39 PM »

Please, please, mods, move this topic to the Sandbox. This is no longer about Brian, or even about music.  It hasn't been since Brian publicly washed his hands of it----and rightly so.

Edit: Tone of post slightly modified... apologies.

Thank you, Billy. Sorry I shouted. 
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« Reply #234 on: May 09, 2016, 02:01:54 PM »

Please, please, mods, move this topic to the Sandbox. This is no longer about Brian, or even about music.  It hasn't been since Brian publicly washed his hands of it----and rightly so.

Edit: Tone of post slightly modified... apologies.

Thank you, Billy. Sorry I shouted. 

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« Reply #235 on: May 09, 2016, 02:04:39 PM »

Many thanks for moving the thread Billy, I believe this thread belongs here in the Sandbox, if anywhere.
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« Reply #236 on: May 09, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »

Yes, thanks Billy. I believe Brian & The Band should be distanced the f*ck away from this tragic event.
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« Reply #237 on: May 09, 2016, 02:15:00 PM »

Please, please, mods, move this topic to the Sandbox. This is no longer about Brian, or even about music.  It hasn't been since Brian publicly washed his hands of it----and rightly so.
 

A great and modest move, John! It needed to be said and needed to be acted upon. It's not about Brian or his band, let alone music for that matter anymore. It's an off topic discussion now and rightly so
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« Reply #238 on: May 09, 2016, 02:37:07 PM »

Not that it really matters, but barring a couple of people discussing rape per se, it's as on topic as it gets.  Given VDP's tweet and Rolling Stone bothering Brian's people for a comment, this isn't finished being played out in an on-topic sense.
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« Reply #239 on: May 09, 2016, 03:36:07 PM »

Thank You for moving this.  It was (and will here) continue to fuel the hate among members that are just needing a place to still vent days after the telling.  Hell, it had gotten to the point earlier today where anybody who had ever did anything like this, or worse, was being examined.  I don't have the time to waste, held my interest for about a hour.  I don't want to know more details. 

Glad I won't have to see it in my face every time I go to the General (About the Beach Boys) section of this forum.

I played NPP last Saturday night with no thought about Scott.  That is Brian's album.
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« Reply #240 on: May 09, 2016, 04:20:23 PM »

As stated earlier, this thread is the definition of on topic. Member of Brian's band, an incident on Brian's tour, etc., etc.
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« Reply #241 on: May 09, 2016, 04:49:28 PM »

Have you folks heard the World is round?

Life is Life.

Move on.

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« Reply #242 on: May 09, 2016, 05:11:23 PM »

Was Scott part of the Pet Sounds sessions that Brian recently recorded for Spotify? If so, I wonder if this will affect their release...

I'm talking about these sessions: https://www.facebook.com/aljardine/photos/a.329031750468900.73041.136456489726428/1050471824991552/?type=3&theater
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« Reply #243 on: May 09, 2016, 06:22:47 PM »

Was Scott part of the Pet Sounds sessions that Brian recently recorded for Spotify? If so, I wonder if this will affect their release...

I'm talking about these sessions: https://www.facebook.com/aljardine/photos/a.329031750468900.73041.136456489726428/1050471824991552/?type=3&theater

I don't believe so, based on this (what I would assume to be) group photo: https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson/photos/pb.34250497240.-2207520000.1462843277./10154029289597241/?type=3&theater
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« Reply #244 on: May 09, 2016, 07:27:09 PM »

Damn. Don't know the guy but his presence, talent,  and energy brought so much to the table during this amazing Brian Wilson renaissance we've been privileged to witness.

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« Reply #245 on: May 09, 2016, 09:52:03 PM »

I just went back and re-read the docket sheet GV33 posted back on page 4 (I believe).  A lot has been said about the video evidence which obviously is damning, but look also at the actual trial itself.  It looks like the prosecutors had over 2 days of witnesses.  Guessing these would be hotel security people.....All the DNA stuff and the associated people....who knows, maybe the victim knew others at the hotel.  None of us are sure of the timing, but she obviously got help and some GREAT advice the next morning whether it be the hotel security staff, the police, or friends that allowed for the DNA to be collected.  Though it wasn't stopped real time by hotel security, it appears they did come to her aid at some point.

It also spoke of the court telling the Bennett NOT to have any contact with the defendant.  Not sure if this is normal protocol in a rape case, or sadly their may have been some communication between 12/14 and 4/16 and the judge maybe had to re-state this in the court record.  My gut just wrenches seeing him remanded over to the local authorities with no bail..

Time to go listen to Pet Sounds I guess.....

It is totally gutwrenching to read that court docket sheet.

The amount of times Scott had to fly back to Oklahoma and appear in court pre-trial, over and over again, in between gigs, it's just pretty mindblowing to think about emotionally juggling that, and then appearing onstage a day or two later, trying to put on a happy show-ready face and solid work ethic. All the while, inside, he must little by little have began to realize he was on borrowed time while he played every BW gig in 2015. One can go to AGD's bellagio site and look at the BW gigs from Dec. 2014 and throughout 2015, and compare the dates of gigs to the court appearances listed on the court docket sheet, and there were many.

I can't imagine how desperate things must have gotten near the end, and what it must be like for someone to be dying inside, slowly read the writing on the wall that they've ruined their own life with their actions. The whole thing is just completely excruciating to think about in every way - the incident, the victim, Scott, Scott's family.
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« Reply #246 on: May 10, 2016, 02:46:05 AM »

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« Reply #247 on: May 10, 2016, 03:32:36 AM »

Y'know, I've realised after the last couple of days that this won't really effect my enjoyment of TLOS and the likes of One Kind Of Love too much. The reason being that whenever He wrote those songs he was almost always trying to channel Brian. So it's hard to associate the likes of Midnights Another Day with Scott particularly, even if that is his voice in the Demo. I understand it's still far too soon to talk about this type of thing, (and perhaps a bit inconsiderate) but I didn't want to start a new thread just to say it. The music will recover, Scott's life will not. Hopefully the victim, and their families will get the compensation they need. That's all I've got left to say at this point.
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« Reply #248 on: May 10, 2016, 03:57:08 AM »

I can't tell if VDP is being snarky or, as I mentioned above, trying to inform people that any future item Bennett might release with some VDP lyrics would be something VDP offered to him *prior* to all of this.

Not sure how likely it is we're going to see Bennett "using" any VDP lyrics for anything anytime soon, which makes me think the VDP comment is maybe meant as snark.

Just a guess, but could he be referring to "Live Let Live", which VDP "gave" BW and SB to use in "That Lucky Old Sun"? The title of that song is complimentary to VDP's statement "I do love mercy".
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« Reply #249 on: May 10, 2016, 05:10:55 AM »

Love the art, not the artist. 

Very efficient post, and very wise. 

There's a lot of questionable characters in the entertainment and sports world, ranging from people who've done horrible things to people who are just prickly.  But, I fully believe fans will be happier separated that from the art. 

I know if I didn't, I'd probably have to jettison about 1/4 of my CD collection. 
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