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« Reply #1350 on: July 28, 2016, 10:39:01 AM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)
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« Reply #1351 on: July 28, 2016, 10:44:20 AM »

Perhaps, but I try not to let my personal, immediate experience sway my opinions. Personal experience is rarely a guide to broad truths nor is it often a guide to what's best for the country at large.

What you say here is a huge and important point, and one unfortunately that many folks just don't even understand, let alone agree with.

Personal anecdotes and experiences (especially one-off experiences), contrary to what people might assume and feel, are often (not always, but often) the WORST source to try to take away any sort of broad truth or conclusion about anything.

Personal anecdotes have often led to some of the worst, invalid conclusions, whether we're talking about a political issue or a movie recommendation.

My post about the riots in my hometown were far from an anecdote.  It's not like a shared a story about being accosted by homeless man on the way to my car.  This is a much bigger issue.  This Mayor condoned rioting, and the DNC deemed her worthy of banging the gavel on Monday......and she forgot to even do that. 
I think what heyjude and I are talking about, is that the fact that it was your hometown should not be relevant to one's opinion on it, as a policy issue. It will have an effect on your personal feelings about it. But it ought not have an effect on your political opinion, if you are interested in government addressing its constituents at large, rather than your personal feelings.

Even if it was't my hometown, I would NOT support a Mayor who allowed "space to destroy" and didn't support her Police force. 

If I were a Democrat, I would have a problem with somebody who condones riots being a major player in my convention.

But, I suppose the fact that I do have a problem with it might show why I'm not a Democrat.
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« Reply #1352 on: July 28, 2016, 11:51:15 AM »


Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention


That is far more than simply "not a mega media source." It appears to be little more than a message board-style website where people post all sorts of crap.

To paraphrase Chris Farley from "Tommy Boy": "I can take a s**t in a box and call it a source too."
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« Reply #1353 on: July 28, 2016, 11:53:06 AM »

I found a pic of one of the Patrick.net posters:



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« Reply #1354 on: July 28, 2016, 11:53:52 AM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)

No shame.
That security breach wasn't even the same day as the sanders walkout. You've got a narrative you want to push and are posting actual lies, knowingly and repeatedly, to push that narrative.
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« Reply #1355 on: July 28, 2016, 11:54:04 AM »

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« Reply #1356 on: July 28, 2016, 12:46:58 PM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)

No shame.
That security breach wasn't even the same day as the sanders walkout. You've got a narrative you want to push and are posting actual lies, knowingly and repeatedly, to push that narrative.
Emily - I don't need to push any narrative.  Their nightmare story is unfolding on it's own.  These videos are manna from heaven, telling the back-story.

The DNC chair had to be "let go" during the week of the DNC convention.  They got caught red-handed advancing once candidate over another.  That is an unfolding story not a spin or a narrative.  DWS manipulated the organization for one candidate and it was never an open and transparent process.  Now, the world knows they are liars and cheats.

So, the twitter link with the demonstration of the Sanders supporters was untrue? 

The conventional media is heavily manipulated as is the DNC with the attempt to marginalize Bernie Sanders.  The alternative media must to do their job and their sources tell the story, which cannot be "managed."

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/dnc/walkout

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watch-bernie-sanders-stage-walkout-after-clinton-is-officially-nominated/

No one believes their garbage.  Everyone knows it is a joke. 

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« Reply #1357 on: July 28, 2016, 12:48:32 PM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)

No shame.
That security breach wasn't even the same day as the sanders walkout. You've got a narrative you want to push and are posting actual lies, knowingly and repeatedly, to push that narrative.
Emily - have another... Kool-Aid Man
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« Reply #1358 on: July 28, 2016, 01:00:21 PM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)

No shame.
That security breach wasn't even the same day as the sanders walkout. You've got a narrative you want to push and are posting actual lies, knowingly and repeatedly, to push that narrative.
Emily - I don't need to push any narrative.  Their nightmare story is unfolding on it's own.  These videos are manna from heaven, telling the back-story.

The DNC chair had to be "let go" during the week of the DNC convention.  They got caught red-handed advancing once candidate over another.  That is an unfolding story not a spin or a narrative.  DWS manipulated the organization for one candidate and it was never an open and transparent process.  Now, the world knows they are liars and cheats.

So, the twitter link with the demonstration of the Sanders supporters was untrue? 

The conventional media is heavily manipulated as is the DNC with the attempt to marginalize Bernie Sanders.  The alternative media must to do their job and their sources tell the story, which cannot be "managed."

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/dnc/walkout

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watch-bernie-sanders-stage-walkout-after-clinton-is-officially-nominated/

No one believes their garbage.  Everyone knows it is a joke. 


So why do you keep posting fabrications and manipulations of the truth (in other words, lies)?
The fact is there was a walkout of between 50-150 people who went right to the press tent and got lots of coverage and there was no violence and hubbub.

You posted a video taken at a different time showing thousands of empty seats, with the claim that those were empty because of the walk out - lie.
You posted a video of a security perimeter breach the following day claiming it was related to the walk out - lie.
You posted an Internet rumor that the DNC is looking for paid actors, claiming they are doing it to fill the sanders seats - lie.
You even admit you know that's a lie because then you talk about conventions bringing volunteers in.

If the truth is on your side, why do you feel compelled to lie? Is it just habit?
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« Reply #1359 on: July 28, 2016, 01:04:00 PM »

Emily - I don't need to push any narrative. 

With all due respect, of course you're pushing a narrative. Which is fine; it's a political off-topic forum. But just call it what it friggin' is.

It's a "here's what I believe, and here's a bunch of stuff I googled to support that point of view" thing. It's precisely pushing and crafting a narrative. It's a bunch of anti-Hilllary/Democratic Party, etc. stuff, and a bunch of pro-Trump stuff, complete with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff about Bernie Sanders and and all of that. Textbook political hackery. Again, fine if you want to create a blatantly and laughably edited (and usually false and filled with lies) series of "evidence", but that's what it is.

On some level, I get pushing whatever political angle one is into. But why does it always have to be framed as something it isn't?

Just because you may actually believe something (as opposed to somehow pushing a political agenda you don't actually personally subscribe to) doesn't mean it's any less of a case of just pushing a narrative that suits whatever you believe.
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« Reply #1360 on: July 28, 2016, 01:09:58 PM »

And it should also be pointed out that the Trump movement is using the "feeling and believing equals being true" strategy.

John Oliver on his show recently compiled a series of these sort of quotes from the RNC, to the point where Newt Gingrich essentially admitted that "liberals" may be factually correct, but what people "feel" is more important than what the universally-acknowledged facts are:

GINGRICH: The current view is that liberals have a whole set of statistics that theoretically may be right, but it's not where human beings are.

Antonio Sabato Jr. (yeah, the actor) also mirrored this "feelings over facts" mantra in an interview at the RNC about the actual sitting, current President:

ANTONIO SABATO JR.: First of all, I don't believe that the guy is a Christian. I don't believe he follows the God that I love and the Jesus that I love.

AMNA NAWAZ: You believe that President Obama is a Muslim? Is that what you're saying?

SABATO: Absolutely. Absolutely.

NAWAZ: And that is based on what you feel in your heart?

SABATO: Yeah, that's what I believe, yeah. And you know what, I have the right to believe that and you have the right to go against that, but I believe it.


So evidently, anything you "feel", however unsupported by facts, can equal the actual truth if you want it to. Must be awesome.
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« Reply #1361 on: July 28, 2016, 01:18:15 PM »

What a soap opera! LOL
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« Reply #1362 on: July 28, 2016, 02:37:54 PM »


That website is not a news website nor a real source for news.

By its own admission, it's a right wing propaganda website.

It appears to be less fact-based than "The Onion."

Someone can go on Craigslist right now and post an ad asking for cadavers to fill the seats at a Trump rally because all of his supporters have tapeworms.

For what its worth, a far more neutral website that debunks urban legends and myths of all sorts has already addressed this Craigslist ad situation as "unproven":

http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-actors-via-craigslist-to-replace-delegates/
Twitter - from the demonstration after the walkout.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/758501291056390144/video/1

"Full scene when protesters breached DNC..."

Multiple sources (not mega media sources) reporting on this CG ad.

http://patrick.net./DNC+Advertises+for+Actors+to+Fill+Empty+Seats+at+DNC+Convention

Finding "wallpaper" (filling the seats for political events) is nothing new. The old way was to bus in senior citizens and give them coffee and donuts or lunch/dinner.  It was a day/night out, they are big voters, and a social opportunity.   Wink

And as Lily Tomlin would say (in character) as Edith Ann, "And, that's the truth!"  LOL (from Laugh In)

No shame.
That security breach wasn't even the same day as the sanders walkout. You've got a narrative you want to push and are posting actual lies, knowingly and repeatedly, to push that narrative.
Emily - I don't need to push any narrative.  Their nightmare story is unfolding on it's own.  These videos are manna from heaven, telling the back-story.

The DNC chair had to be "let go" during the week of the DNC convention.  They got caught red-handed advancing once candidate over another.  That is an unfolding story not a spin or a narrative.  DWS manipulated the organization for one candidate and it was never an open and transparent process.  Now, the world knows they are liars and cheats.

So, the twitter link with the demonstration of the Sanders supporters was untrue? 

The conventional media is heavily manipulated as is the DNC with the attempt to marginalize Bernie Sanders.  The alternative media must to do their job and their sources tell the story, which cannot be "managed."

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/dnc/walkout

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watch-bernie-sanders-stage-walkout-after-clinton-is-officially-nominated/

No one believes their garbage.  Everyone knows it is a joke. 


So why do you keep posting fabrications and manipulations of the truth (in other words, lies)?
The fact is there was a walkout of between 50-150 people who went right to the press tent and got lots of coverage and there was no violence and hubbub.

You posted a video taken at a different time showing thousands of empty seats, with the claim that those were empty because of the walk out - lie.
You posted a video of a security perimeter breach the following day claiming it was related to the walk out - lie.
You posted an Internet rumor that the DNC is looking for paid actors, claiming they are doing it to fill the sanders seats - lie.
You even admit you know that's a lie because then you talk about conventions bringing volunteers in.

If the truth is on your side, why do you feel compelled to lie? Is it just habit?
Emily - DNC is in freefall. 

Those videos tell a story.  It takes several days for the underground stuff to filter out at least and it is weighed to determine whether it will be aired or not. 

News is managed.

The empty seats, are a result of Bernie's people taking it to the streets! Whether Bernie sanctions the demonstrations or not, they have taken this into their own hands.

Personal attacks are not necessary. 

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« Reply #1363 on: July 28, 2016, 02:42:57 PM »

What a soap opera! LOL


Yup!  LOL

What is a bigger soap opera than Bill Clinton telling a story of "I met a girl."

He never saw a skirt he didn't like.

Billary.  LOL

And, this just in from the underground...reports that Bernie won on the first ballot. DNC called for a re-vote.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3357190/bernie-sanders-supporters-furious-after-delegates-reveal-sanders-won-first-roll-call-but-convention-focused-only-on-hillary/

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« Reply #1364 on: July 28, 2016, 03:36:34 PM »

Trump took his meds today and claimed he was joking about Russia... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1365 on: July 28, 2016, 03:48:48 PM »

I almost have to think you're just punking with that last post, FdP, you can't be that dishonest or that clueless. It's not possible.

Edit: it just occurred to me, because of your use of the term "underground" that maybe you think that random people posting junk on the Internet is equivalent to paper underground newspapers and that's why you give it credibility.

No, FdP. I can go on the internet right now and build a whole site around my evidence that you brainwashed Mark David Chapman to kill John Lennon. That's what you're dealing with. When you see things like the myriad junk you've posted in this thread, the first thing you do is try to learn the provenance of the information, then you check the background of the source and what their sources were. It's also a good idea to check who else is reporting it. Or check the fact-checking sites or opposing sources to see what they say about it, and weigh that. If you're only finding it on sites that obviously have no leaning towards accuracy, or if it's just on Twitter and Facebook, you don't run with it as if it's valid information.
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« Reply #1366 on: July 28, 2016, 03:54:42 PM »

Trump took his meds today and claimed he was joking about Russia... Roll Eyes

Just like he backtracked after this

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sandy-hook-shooting-obama-spoke-me-462131

And the quote from 2000 made sense, but now that he's counting on gun loving racists to get him elected* , he *has* to change his public view.


*and before the backlash starts, I'm not saying all Trump voters are like that.
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« Reply #1367 on: July 28, 2016, 07:00:44 PM »

I'm sorry, but I haven't reviewed this entire thread, FdP, so I'm sure you'll call me to task over some obscure detail here.  So explain to me how the Dems allowing a number of their people to express themselves, in all their frustration at not winning the primaries, are somehow diminishing Dems' values and validity.  Many horrified Repubs refused to attend this year's convention - including all the past President, so dissent wasn't visible, was it? Talk about empty seats, though - seriously empty seats!  And I couldn't think of a more dramatic statement against a Presidential candidate.  We saw lots of smoke and mirrors last week, just like everything the Donald says, or really doesn't say, because he knows frikkin' nothing but pandering to fools - certainly nothing about domestic or foreign policy.

The Democratic convention is called Democracy in action, not an embarrassment, nor a problem in the end.  That's why it's actually interesting, as opposed to another stupid reality show.
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« Reply #1368 on: July 29, 2016, 04:39:20 AM »

The Democratic convention was powerful.  After watching the doom and gloom oozing off the stage in Cleveland last week, and listening to the orange snake oil salesman proclaim that only he can fix whatever he thinks is wrong with this country, I felt sick to my stomach at the thought of this man person becoming the president of the most powerful nation on earth.  It was so refreshing and inspiring, then, to see speakers in Philly actually talk about how great this country is, while acknowledging that there is more work for all of us to do to make things even better.  I heard them speak about family values, faith, patriotism, and the constitution.  I heard them speak about all of us working together to find solutions to some of the problems we face today.  All I heard from Adolf the Donald is "I alone can fix it".  How is this race even close?
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« Reply #1369 on: July 29, 2016, 05:51:39 AM »

I almost have to think you're just punking with that last post, FdP, you can't be that dishonest or that clueless. It's not possible.

Edit: it just occurred to me, because of your use of the term "underground" that maybe you think that random people posting junk on the Internet is equivalent to paper underground newspapers and that's why you give it credibility.

No, FdP. I can go on the internet right now and build a whole site around my evidence that you brainwashed Mark David Chapman to kill John Lennon. That's what you're dealing with. When you see things like the myriad junk you've posted in this thread, the first thing you do is try to learn the provenance of the information, then you check the background of the source and what their sources were. It's also a good idea to check who else is reporting it. Or check the fact-checking sites or opposing sources to see what they say about it, and weigh that. If you're only finding it on sites that obviously have no leaning towards accuracy, or if it's just on Twitter and Facebook, you don't run with it as if it's valid information.

Emily - there is some willful blindness here.  There was a first ballot early in the day and Bernie won according to some of Bernie's delegates and other sources.  A "do-over" was held when other delegates arrived later.  Your grasp of grassroots politics is weak.  If you had any political field organization skill you would know that on controversial topics there is NO mainstream media coverage. You have to start from a low, somewhat non-conventional place and build up.  You take low-level local resources or create the media yourself such as Twitter or Facebook or other social media. It can take months or years when up against powerful lobbies and other interests who write you off as a nut job as they have with Bernie.  

Facebook and Twitter, are used to disseminate information when large media is blocked (such as we saw in the Middle East when several governments were overthrown) relied on cell phones, or innovative communication techniques.  

Bernie has alleged from the outset, that the system was rigged and people blew him off as a nut job.  Now wiki-leaks (who were also called out as nut jobs) has broken out the email chain (some of them) and DWS is gonzo at the beginning of the convention.  They will not be sources such as comcast/nbc or Disney/abc.  You cannot expect that the mainstream media would pick this up.  But Facebook and Twitter and certain individuals have reported this out.  Wiki leaks is not mainstream media. But they took DWS out.

Take a look at the charter from the DNC - Art. 5 s. 4. "... the charter and bylaws of the Democratic Party requires the DNC chair to remain impartial during the primary process..." DWS did not do that.  "In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns."

http://www.inquisitr.com/3340983/the-dnc-will-die-unless-it-apologizes-immediately/  

Further down "Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie's campaign." (inquisitr.com) Robert Reich, for reference, served as Labor Secretary under Bill Clinton. Professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and at Brandeis.  

You are giving DWS a pass?  *** Are you excusing Hillary because of her gender?  

http://usapoliticsnow/?p=3985

Interesting campaign button slogan - "Ignoring your party's corruption is condoning it."  

Reliance on mainstream media is gullible in my opinion.  And just so we are clear, I will say it again. I have been a lifelong Dem. I don't agree with Bernie's ideology to the greater extent.  However, I voted for him because I believed his impressions of the process which is sullied.  So, substantively I am not with Sanders.  Procedurally, I agree 100% with him.  Others such as Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson and Danny Glover are big supporters.  Are they liars, too?

http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2016/07/29/montgomery_life/news/doc579a0396e76b833705627.txtviewmode=default

Sarandon's Facebook page below.

https://www.facebook.com/SusanSarandon/posts/490013164486902  

Yes, Hillary had "her night." All-star, all Hollywood theater.  Political theatre.  (I did like watching Sheila E at soundcheck!) She rocked!  Wink

The RNC was more transparent letting Ted Cruz speak. DNC, the purported party of the people, is now the party of censorship.

Danny Glover's realnews.com interview on his Facebook page.  

https;//www.facebook.com/DannyLGlover  (theme is International Decade for People of African Descent)

You can go on their Facebook pages and call them out as liars.







  
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« Reply #1370 on: July 29, 2016, 06:00:45 AM »

I thought I heard Susan Surandon say she'll vote for Trump before Hillary. 

Although, I think Col. Sanders was still in the picture back then. 
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« Reply #1371 on: July 29, 2016, 06:41:35 AM »

filledeplage is the worst thing that has ever happened to this board.
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« Reply #1372 on: July 29, 2016, 06:47:36 AM »

filledeplage is the worst thing that has ever happened to this board.

That's a tad insulting, don't you think?  Just because the poster has different political views?  This is a forum after all.  It's not all going to be one way, and to call a person "the worst thing that has ever happened to the board" just because of a difference in opinion is just plain wrong. 

Emily and I have argued a lot in The Sandbox, but I wouldn't stoop so low to insult her in this way. 

Dudejim, you're a lot more sour than sweet, and I do believe you owe filledeplage an apology. 


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« Reply #1373 on: July 29, 2016, 06:47:59 AM »

I'm sorry, but I haven't reviewed this entire thread, FdP, so I'm sure you'll call me to task over some obscure detail here.  So explain to me how the Dems allowing a number of their people to express themselves, in all their frustration at not winning the primaries, are somehow diminishing Dems' values and validity.  Many horrified Repubs refused to attend this year's convention - including all the past President, so dissent wasn't visible, was it? Talk about empty seats, though - seriously empty seats!  And I couldn't think of a more dramatic statement against a Presidential candidate.  We saw lots of smoke and mirrors last week, just like everything the Donald says, or really doesn't say, because he knows frikkin' nothing but pandering to fools - certainly nothing about domestic or foreign policy.

The Democratic convention is called Democracy in action, not an embarrassment, nor a problem in the end.  That's why it's actually interesting, as opposed to another stupid reality show.

Debbie - the empty seats were the result of a Bernie delegate walkout which was hardly covered. Some videos were taken and show images of white noise machines above their seating which were installed to drown out their protests which were quite loud in opposition.   When the delegates returned they found their seats covered with "reserved" signs and were not allowed to sit where they were supposed to. The California delegation was particularly problematic to the DNC this year because of the very vocal Sanders support.  There were craigslist ads placed paying $50 a day for "actors"to fill the seats of the Sanders delegates.  

Danny Glover's interview is pretty descriptive as to the experience they had. I think the DNC was out of line to question Sanders' religious beliefs to potentially exploit them with a particular demographic.  

Yes, the Republicans are horrified because their party is over. There are an equal number of Dems who are horrified at what happened at the DNC so both major parties are almost up for grabs.  Some have jumped over parties, but are aligned more closely, or who would rather support a Dem than the Republican candidate.  And they did all sign a pledge.  

There were plenty of smoke and mirrors this week as well.  It was better than a reality show, and at least people are starting to pay attention.  

What I don't like that I heard coming from some analysts that the typical Trump voter was a male (caucasian) who did not graduate from college. Rather than looking at issues that are important, they pull out the ugly race card.  There are plenty of smart people out there who did not graduate, start or finish college and I think it is wrong to drop a label that is disparaging to a voter and find it completely elitist.  "Smart" has many faces.  Plenty of people who cannot read (dyslexic and other reasons) are pretty informed.  The college thing is not a voter requisite.  Wink

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filledeplage is the worst thing that has ever happened to this board.
Really?

We are in The Sandbox.  Dear.
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