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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2013, 06:16:14 PM »

There's the new stereo mix of Fun, Fun, Fun with the instruments separated and the longer fade

This was a nice surprise - great to hear instruments that were buried in the mix before.
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2013, 08:38:19 PM »

The Warmth of the Sun is 10 seconds longer?  I thought the multi-tracks to that song were lost...
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2013, 09:13:45 PM »

The Warmth of the Sun is 10 seconds longer?  I thought the multi-tracks to that song were lost...

The Shut Down Vol. 2 multis were "discovered" and returned 4 or 5 years ago. Hence, the ability to now fully remix tracks from that album. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2013, 09:32:53 PM »

I thought the Shut Down II multitracks were gone too.  Same with the Deuce Coupe album.  You sure they were found, Dave?  Everything?  Does that mean the return of the Don't Worry Baby and Why Do Fools Fall In Love tape(s) a few years ago wasn't so important after all or were they still needed to complete the album?
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2013, 10:05:14 PM »

I thought the Shut Down II multitracks were gone too.  Same with the Deuce Coupe album.  You sure they were found, Dave?  Everything?  Does that mean the return of the Don't Worry Baby and Why Do Fools Fall In Love tape(s) a few years ago wasn't so important after all or were they still needed to complete the album?

SOME Shut Down II tapes were recovered, not all.  Each reel contains "batches" of whatever songs were being worked on at the time.  The three reels recovered in 2009 contained only Don't Worry Baby, Why Do Fools Fall In Love, This Car Of Mine, Pom Pom Playgirl and Denny's Drums. 

http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/3164/the-reel-deal/

The recent discovery of the tape containing multitracks for Fun Fun Fun and Warmth Of The Sun seems to have happened recently and neither Boyd or Linnet have offered any details about it, which is the strange part.
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2013, 10:08:51 PM »

I thought the Shut Down II multitracks were gone too.  Same with the Deuce Coupe album.  You sure they were found, Dave?  Everything?  Does that mean the return of the Don't Worry Baby and Why Do Fools Fall In Love tape(s) a few years ago wasn't so important after all or were they still needed to complete the album?


I stand corrected, Mikie  The Shut Down Vol. II, 3-track multis for the 6 songs they found apparently didn't include TWOFS and FFF (three tapes in total were reacquired). Don't know what made me think those two were part of the treasure -- they're weren't! On the other hand, they did find the 3-track multis for DWB and WDFFIL as part of that Shut Down Vol. II cache.

Here's the best article on it:

http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/3164/the-reel-deal/


Edit: Someone just beat me to the punch.  Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2013, 10:01:47 AM »

Mark said this recently about the initial Shut Down 2 tapes turning up:

"This find wasn’t heavily publicized but the fact that it got any publicity at all has caused other tapes to turn up. About three years ago somebody turned up with about 28 tapes that had, shall we say, gone missing from the Beach Boys and Capitol archives in 1980; this included the eight-track master to Do it Again and We’re Together Again and several of the albums that ultimately didn’t get released like Adult Child and a version of California Feelin.’"

They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2013, 10:16:26 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2013, 01:36:33 PM »


They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.

I'm doubtful the tape with Fun Fun Fun/WOTS was ever in their tape library.  From late '63 to early '64 it seems like the group kept almost nothing in the way of session multitracks and left them at the studio or gave them away once they were done with them.  Only in mid-1964 do you start to see a more consistent cataloging of their session tapes.

As the tracks on the SOT releases suggest, a few tracks from "Surfer Girl" are missing, the entirety of the new tracks recorded for "Little Deuce Coupe" aren't there, the single version of "Be True To Your School" only exists as the mono single and the rest of the reels from "Shut Down Vol. II" are presumably still missing.

I'm not saying this tape wasn't part of this tape stash they recovered, but I think they probably found another case like the guy in 2009.  I'd love to hear the story either way.

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

Yes, the "Heroes And Villains: Early Version Outtake Sections" are lifted directly from the SOT box.
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2013, 10:20:44 PM »

Mark said this recently about the initial Shut Down 2 tapes turning up:

"This find wasn’t heavily publicized but the fact that it got any publicity at all has caused other tapes to turn up. About three years ago somebody turned up with about 28 tapes that had, shall we say, gone missing from the Beach Boys and Capitol archives in 1980; this included the eight-track master to Do it Again and We’re Together Again and several of the albums that ultimately didn’t get released like Adult Child and a version of California Feelin.’"

They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.

Whoa, where did this quote come from? I missed this. 

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2013, 10:22:33 PM »

Mark said this recently about the initial Shut Down 2 tapes turning up:

"This find wasn’t heavily publicized but the fact that it got any publicity at all has caused other tapes to turn up. About three years ago somebody turned up with about 28 tapes that had, shall we say, gone missing from the Beach Boys and Capitol archives in 1980; this included the eight-track master to Do it Again and We’re Together Again and several of the albums that ultimately didn’t get released like Adult Child and a version of California Feelin.’"

They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.

Whoa, where did this quote come from? I missed this. 





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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2013, 10:23:43 PM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2013, 12:28:41 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... Wink 2
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2013, 01:36:05 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... Wink 2

Always wondered what was going to be on the Vigotone box that got nixed by the authorities before it ever shipped. Were the source tapes recovered in that bust? Were they returned to the record company/BRI?  Or was there nothing new for that set, just a rounding up of everything that was out there at the time (I think it was pre-SOT but am not sure)?  Vigotone's Heroes and Vibrations sampler disc suggested there might have been a bundle of new (then) stuff.
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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2013, 11:57:29 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... Wink 2

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2013, 07:16:10 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... Wink 2

If they ever use bootleg sources again, they should officially release that great Smile fan mix with the dialogue soundbites, especially that Murry Wilson soundbite just before Child Is Father to the Man. I think it's my favorite version of Smile.
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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2013, 08:42:52 AM »

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... Wink 2

Always wondered what was going to be on the Vigotone box that got nixed by the authorities before it ever shipped. Were the source tapes recovered in that bust? Were they returned to the record company/BRI?  Or was there nothing new for that set, just a rounding up of everything that was out there at the time (I think it was pre-SOT but am not sure)?  Vigotone's Heroes and Vibrations sampler disc suggested there might have been a bundle of new (then) stuff.

That's a great mystery - the Vigotone guy got busted before that box set could get out but my understanding is he did not have the tapes for the upcoming box set, they were still with the "owner" collector person.  Based on the teaser I suspect there would have been upgraded quality of previouysly booted stuff and likely some new stuff, but if it would have been anything that didn't end up on TSS is unknown.  However I bet Barnyard with the backing vocals would have been on it !
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2013, 04:30:12 PM »

Has this mix of "All Dressed Up For School" been released before? It says 2007 mix.

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2013, 08:36:43 PM »

Has this mix of "All Dressed Up For School" been released before? It says 2007 mix.

It was released on the U.S. Singles collection box set

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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2013, 01:13:37 PM »

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?

I think it's one of their greatest unreleased-at-the-time tracks that should have been on an album.

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2013, 01:21:10 PM »

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?

To show the fans it's okay to perv on school girls
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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2013, 01:30:13 PM »

Did we need further confirmation of this? Hey Little Tomboy? Schoolgirl?

I think it's there to demonstrate Brian's recycling of riffs and melodies. We got I Just Got My Pay on the last box, and now we get All Dressed Up For School
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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2013, 01:44:52 PM »

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?

To show the fans it's okay to perv on school girls

*giggle* but srsly, I like the song and all, but its inclusion on what is basically a very expanded best of is a bit of a head-scratcher, to me. Ah well, ain't no big deal, and the recycling demonstration theory is interesting.
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2013, 03:20:19 PM »

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?

I think it's one of their greatest unreleased-at-the-time tracks that should have been on an album.

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