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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So Tough/ Holland (Box?) Set on: June 16, 2022, 10:29:40 AM
By the way that August 19 1973 Nassau Coliseum show is also source for Sloop John, Help Me Rhonda and Leaving This Town on the released album
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: June 16, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I love all the new releases and donít have any serious audiophile complaints about Feel Flows . My only question is whether I need Sounds of Summer if I already own all of the songs. For anyone starting to collect BBs material it sounds great. I just donít know if am willing to pay simply for new mixes. I purchased so many comps in the past but then I just listened to Made in California instead-so do I need another greatest hits? But that has nothing to do with this particular comp-itís a question we all consider every time a new compilation appears. Sometimes I break down and buy it and sometimes I donít-like I ended up buying the ultra deluxe recent Who Sell Out even though I already owned the previous version with lots of extra tracks. But if five years down the line an even more deluxe one appears-it would be a hard sell.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In Concert Album. How and Why? on: June 08, 2022, 01:22:01 PM
Personally I prefer live in London LP but I am of the less is more school-I prefer a more stripped down sound for the BBs just as I do for Elvis
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: June 08, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I think itís been suggested that maybe Brian wasnít informed and his website people issued the statement when Jack died without actually discussing it with the big man. Itís a little strange that a statement is given that is posed as if Brian wrote it but Stranger things have previously happened
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' encounter with Charles Manson --> Alcohol addiction? on: June 01, 2022, 03:32:58 AM
Seems like an impossible question to answer-he was a guy who liked to party and at a certain point it started to become a problem. He had his share of crazy moments but seemed fairly together till 1977 when he slowly started to deteriorate. Iíve heard that after his 1971 hand injury he started drinking more-he felt a bit awkward standing onstage with no drums to hide behind. I have a 1965 interview where he claims that he doesnít drink at all but who knows if that was true at that time.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In Concert Album. How and Why? on: May 30, 2022, 06:47:04 PM
Of course the double release was in place of a single lp concert recorded in late 1972, which apparently was rejected for not including many older songs. so the 73 release was more of a crowd pleaser with many oldies albeit done in 1970s style. I recall that Brian was not that hot on the first attempt at the concert LP or so he said in the 73 Record World interview
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: May 30, 2022, 09:00:45 AM
There are a lot of what ifís in his career-like what if he kept touring and recording non soundtracks in the mid 60s would he have held his own against the British Invasion or what if he had done A Star Is Born-would he have risen to the occasion or was he really too down and out in 1976 to really get his life back together?
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: May 30, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
The reviews are interesting and they point out, I think, correctly that ultimately it is hard to get at the interior Elvis-hard to know what he was thinking. That book Listening to Elvis talks about that, for example, even though we know Elvis allegedly hated recording many of his movie songs in the 1964-68 period especially-the session tapes seldom reveal that frustration (at most Elvis occasionally makes a joke about the turkey of a song he has to sing) so his inner frustration was buried-so that is hard to show in a film
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: May 21, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
Itís too bad he doesnít really look like Elvis-Kurt Russell physically looked more like him than Butlerí in my opinion
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So Tough/ Holland (Box?) Set on: May 12, 2022, 05:35:10 PM
Interesting info-I donít have my book in front of me but that might be a show that I didnít have a review of. I know itís a thousand years ago but do you happen to recall if they said why Dennis was absent (it was long after his hand accident and he was at most shows in that period-though mainly just singing harmony rather than drumming
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl's relationship with Brian before his death on: May 10, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
Also has to be said that the Wilson dynamic was complicated-as it is in many families. Multiple people have stated that they had trouble expressing their feelings and could not really deal with emotional scenes -Brian and Dennis were both MIA at Murryís funeral. Certainly modern Brian seems to have trouble dealing with those kinds of things.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 10, 2022, 05:50:45 PM
There was that one very revealing Carl interview from, I think, the late 80s where he went into some detail about a number of controversial topics-like his 70s substance issues-he was super honest in that interview-which stands out in my mind because he was usually pretty diplomatic/cagey in interviews after 1982 or so.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Paul McCartney's RAM - the most 'beach boys' Beatle album? on: April 26, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
Not to derail the thread but I am torn in my opinions about this LP and basically all of Paulís 1970s albums. They donít grab me as much as I would like them to. Clearly Ram is a lot slicker and more polished than Love You but somehow I am always ready to listen to Love You and seldom feel inspired to listen to Ram. Itís also interesting that as bad as some BB lyrics can be, I usually prefer them to Paulís 70s lyrics, which are often as inane as sumuhama. by the way I am a huge Beatles fan and I own many of the Wings canon but seldom feel like playing those LPs-maybe it is my loss.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 25th Anniversary Special 03/1987 on: April 26, 2022, 07:51:47 PM
As Iíve said before it is atrocious but almost all the BBs tv appearances in that period were heavy on the cheese factor-like that horrible version of Little old Lady From Pasadena or their endless summer TV series from 1989 (only redeemed by the great campfire segments). Opinions vary on the Full House appearances but I am not a fan
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 30, 2022, 03:57:58 AM
I think the prison/hospital gigs were all related to Carlís draft case as Brian stated in an interview but they did not end in 1969. They did some more in 71, 72 and made their final prison appearances in early 73. they played the Womenís prison on Terminal Island in 71, a prison in Maryland in 72 and a few more California prisons in March 73
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 27, 2022, 05:39:11 PM
Yeah well they all booked rock acts for the ratings....Lennon did an interview where he really regretted that appearance on Carson-first of all Joe Garagiola was not exactly the guy to talk to the Beatles! And then Tahlullah Bankhead was on the show and was constantly making comments...Lennon was apparently not amused and McCartney griped about Garagiola when he returned to do Carson in 1984 to promote his movie. Yeah-Neil commented on that Tom Jones appearance and said it was a mistake to appear with him-but hey I agree with you-that stuff is fun to look at-and it did not harm their careers at all-Neil can be a little precious about things-it's all in good fun.  It is funny though how unhip the host and his guests often were in those days...Did you see when the BBs appeared on Douglas in Dec 1980-he was happy to see the BBs but he was far more impressed to see the guy who wrote "I Write the Songs"!  That kind of show business doesn't exist anymore.  It was such a strange scene-the old Mel Torme/Robert Goulet fans forced to interview and have on people like the Stones (Douglas had them on in 1964 in Cleveland) and Beach Boys.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 27, 2022, 04:44:34 PM
And I agree that TV was a mixed bag in those days...Neil Young refused to appear with Buffalo Springfield on the Johnny Carson Tonight Show because he viewed it as not their audience at all-obviously the rest of the Springfield felt that any publicity is good and were apparently very miffed that as a result they had to pass on the appearance.  It is true though that I don't think Carson ever was as popular with the teenage rock crowd as Letterman was in the 1980s-he was more of a jazz buff-though he had many rock acts on over the years. Certainly Mike Douglas and Merv Griffin were extremely square shows-both of those guys were more into Robert Goulet or later Barry Manilow than anything remotely "hip".  I Guess Ed Sullivan, another total square, was the show to be on-and the BBs appeared twice.  David Frost and Cavett were more intelligent but even Cavett seemed kind of square when it came to rock-though again he welcomed people like Lennon and CSN on his show.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 27, 2022, 04:37:32 PM
Yes....I goofed I meant Joe Hicks-that is who you see not sadly Joe Tex
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 27, 2022, 10:23:49 AM
Yeah note that in one shot at the hospital you can see opener Joe Tex, who toured a lot with the BBs in 1969. He even played the Hawthorne Prom with them. I think maybe they were going to do more with him on their label but as we know they ultimately were too concerned with their own flagging career to do much to build Brother Records. Ultimately he never recorded for them.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 27, 2022, 09:19:58 AM
I agree that the BBs were on TV a lot in 1968 but the TV did start to kind of dry up in 1969. In January-February 1969 they made a big push to promote I Can Hear Music including the Joey Bishop Show and the Kraft Music Hall. But by the time they promoted Breakaway it was mainly daytime shows like Mike Douglas. They did appear on the David Frost Show distributed by Westinghouse in the summer of 69 and reappeared on the Happening Show hosted by Paul revere. But then things kind of petered outÖthey did an episode of Something Else and Get It Together in early 1970 but none of the big late night chat shows and in 1971 the only appearances were with David Frost. Even if they got on a few TV shows it didnít really translate to sales-neither 20/20 or Sunflower were big sellers. Fred Vail told me that in 1970 he had a lot of trouble booking them-promoters were not offering good money. That Australian tour ended with a residency at a small supper club in Sydney and he really had to talk them into it-they viewed it as a real come down-playing to like 200 people eating and dancing at each show.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 25, 2022, 04:00:28 PM
Yeah they were still a big draw in Europe especially the UK.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969 on my site on: March 25, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
Ok so-I finished 1970 as well-if you click on the link from the home page (Go to Gigs and than 1970)

https://www.beachboysgigs.com
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 1969 on my site on: March 23, 2022, 07:28:38 AM
So, I had a little time and completed 1969 on my site www.beachboysgigs.com .  If you go to the home page, click on gigs and then 1969.  I have reviews, photos, info, etc.  As I've said before, when I wrote the book with Jon we did not have the ability to display ads/photos for all shows-so I can do more of that here and also update inaccurate info or add a review I've found since 2013. You can view 1962-1969 now.  I should add that if you looked at those previous years before, I have added more photos/shows as I have found them.  I also have an additions blog you can click on from the home page-that just lists changes (additions/corrections) since the book came out. I have worked on this up through 1970.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 11, 2022, 03:15:49 PM
Yeah that chestnut was put to rest a while ago. Brian was not totally in control but he was still a part of the team up to 1972 and everyone still wanted his input. The flame still burned but I think he was a bit lost without that control and leadership
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: February 10, 2022, 07:35:14 PM
That being said in the 60s Elvis was not well served by his label or the people selecting material . Today we have the benefit of many lovingly curated albums separating the gems from the crap. I can picture Brian Jones or John Lennon in 1966 saying maybe we should give Elvis another chance and buying the album available Spinout and saying forget it! A lot of his better 60s stuff did not come out (like the 1963 Lost album or was released in dribs and drabs as bonus songs on bad soundtrack lps or b-sides in the 60s).
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