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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is it fair to call for an artist to quit? on: December 05, 2021, 12:58:05 PM
It blows my mind that someone whose music has sold millions (and earned millions, too), is loved the world over, can still be so full of crippling doubts, fears, etc; so much so, that he must seek further validation from the listening/buying public.

Depression is hell...especially if you grew up in a abusive household and was constantly belittled and berated. It fucks with your head big time. You learn to believe you're worthless. Trust me. Sometimes there's a void that just can't be filled, not with food, drugs, cigarettes, sex, money, nothing. And when you find that one thing you're good at, the one thing people accept you for, well, that validation can become quite addictive too. For me personally, knowing that there are people who really dig what I do, that keeps me going, from not feeling like a useless burden on those who love me, like maybe I do serve a amount of money or success in other fields could change that.  That's why chodes like that one fucknugget I'm referring to piss me off. It's like this guy gets his jollies off by being as cruel and insulting to Brian as possible. I fucking hate people like that. I'm a tolerant person...except when it comes to bullies (and racists, homophobes, and child abusers). People like that have a special place in hell waiting for them. Karma is a bitch.
Yes, depression is hell. I've struggled with it most of my life.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is it fair to call for an artist to quit? on: December 04, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
It blows my mind that someone whose music has sold millions (and earned millions, too), is loved the world over, can still be so full of crippling doubts, fears, etc; so much so, that he must seek further validation from the listening/buying public. So much so, that he must stage endless tours, to be near the legions who love and adore him. And at every chance possible, remind everyone "I was the one who came up with that idea", "I was the one that wanted to push the boundaries, and not just crank out cutsie little love songs".

Of course I'm talking about Paul McCartney.

But seriously, there are many here among us who will never receive that kind of validation for our work. "But you're not a f****ing genius like Paul McCartney". True, but does that make my expressions (through music) any less valid?

I hope Brian is receiving therapy beyond just putting him in front of a few thousand people applauding him several times a year.

Assuming that is the case, then the time to retire is when people stop coming to see you. And who knows, Brian might be as happy playing a small club with a small band and 50 people there as he is playing to thousands. If it's just the need to play and sing, then any audience - if they are loving the music - is good enough. Of course that doesn't pay the bills, as I well know. Anyone care to lend me a fiver?  Wink

3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Here's a little web-series about some Feel Flows era tunes on: December 02, 2021, 08:25:04 PM
Loving these vids and how Joshlyn can pull a song apart and tell me what I am hearing. I can play, but I don't seem to have the ability to pull apart and analyze what I'm listening to. I do love the Wilsonian bass notes thing. Noticed that when I started trying to play them based on the tabs over at
Only thing I would wish for is - shorter time between the vids!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian going on tour with Chicago next summer on: December 02, 2021, 08:20:43 PM
Pretty sure once Brian's set is over, he gets right on the bus and gone! So with this show you get 2 real Beach Boys and 3 real Chicago members! Ill be there!

Brian, upon hearing about the shared tour with Chicago -

'Cool, that means 45-minute greatest hits sets for me, then I'm gone. No more boring Pet Sounds'.

Manager - 'But Brian, I thought you liked Chicago?'

Brian - 'No. I lived there for a few years in the '90s and you could never find a good deli'.

5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is it fair to call for an artist to quit? on: December 02, 2021, 08:19:04 PM
Brian's career at this point is the touring. Recording is more like a hobby. Occasionally he returns to the studio to record something; or it is suggested he do something like a piano album, new versions of Beach Boys songs; but that really has nothing to do with the touring machine. The touring career is all about playing the old hits; maybe a few deep tracks; what the touring is not about is pushing a new album, or having Brian perform the best songs of his solo career.
So i guess it boils down to, do you believe Brian enjoys touring? Do the fans enjoy it? The recording side really doesn't enter it into it, because the new stuff doesn't sell in big numbers anyway; they're more like gifts to a cult following.
And then there is the question of what you expect from the live performer. Chuck Berry was playing up till just a few years before his death; I heard the recording of his final show. He just couldn't get his guitar to do what he wanted it to do. He couldn't remember the lyrics of his own songs. He decided it was time to hang it up. And yet, the fans would have continued to come see him, just for the honor of seeing a legend, just to be in the same room as him.
It's hard for me to accept that Brian is at that stage of his career, because I remember vividly all the hype about Brian in the late 80's, as a current artist, coming back to blow our minds again. He seemed so youthful, so energized in 1988. But 1988 was a freaking long time ago, and I must accept that Brian is not that same guy anymore.
So then the question comes back to, is this what Brian wants to do now? Is he enjoying live performance?
Myself, I can't imagine doing that at 80. My father passed away earlier this year, age 87, and I saw his energy level go way down the last 10 years. Fortunately for Brian, others do all the heavy lifting for him onstage. He's not like Chuck Berry, or Little Richard, or Bob Dylan, having to be  a strong front man, play dazzling stuff on his instrument; he just has to sing there and sing his parts and let his group do the rest.
Interesting discussion.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian going on tour with Chicago next summer on: November 30, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
So the European fans get screwed yet again. Clearly it was more lucrative to open up for Chicago in the states than haul it to Europe on their own. As usual, I'd suspect this has nothing to do with health or safety, and everything to do with money. I'll pass.

I still wouldn't rule out anything for the 60th, all five principals are still clear September-December 2022.
I think that's an overly optimistic view. If the guys were going to do something for the 60th, it would be during summer touring season. Unless all they plan to do is a tv show or some new recordings.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: November 28, 2021, 12:40:51 PM
The Paley Sessions are simply Brianís finest moment as a solo artist. Itís not easy being me is his greatest song this side of love and mercy. This is a great soundtrack. Just get the rest released.
Agreed. All of those tracks deserve a proper release. They kick the @$$ of BW88 and Sweet Insanity, IJWMFTT, OCA, Imagination, and everything released since. This was Brian being Brian, without any outside influences (i.e. record companies, band members, lawyers, wives).
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows vol 2? on: November 23, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
I've got enough Feel Flows with just the 2 disc version. Waiting now for whatever they decide to call the CATP/Holland box. Maybe "All This is That"?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche 1951-2021 on: November 22, 2021, 01:14:05 PM
Never met him, but exchanged a few messages online, and saw him play with the Beach Boys many times, and in Carl's band in 1983.
Too many of the great ones leaving us now. Keith Allison, former Paul Revere and the Raiders bassist/guitarist/singer, died just a couple days before. And yes, there's a Beach Boys connection. He was on the same show as the Beach Boys several times in the mid 60's.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: That Lucky Old Sun on: November 20, 2021, 11:05:10 PM
Whole thing -  tracks, lead vocals, mastering all sound awful. I have even tried to remix/smooth it out myself to make it playable/listenable 'in company'.
Sounds like most of it was recorded in someone's bedroom........ er ehm...
I feel the signwriting was less a collaboration than on the Paley sessions.
I agree with the last part.
It's one of the better SOUNDING Brian albums, though.
As far as the material, my opinion of it has gone a bit lately. I probably overreacted to it at the time because I was so excited to get new music - ANY music - from Brian. I'd say half of the songs are pretty good. Others haven't aged well. Oxygen to the Brain is weak, especially compared to Can't Wait Too Long. Goin' Home just tries too hard. I'd probably rate the album a 3 now.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / DVDs and Videos / Re: Beach Boys - Good Vibrations Tour on: November 20, 2021, 11:03:25 PM
I finally saw this special for the first time over the weekend.  

It's a nice document from an important time in Beach Boys history.  The live footage is good.  It's very obvious Brian wasn't ready to be back on stage with the group.  

Unfortunately, this era also marks the beginning of The Beach Boys as a nostalgia act, and the end of them as a creative force.  The transition from Holland to 15 Big Ones is very jarring.  But you don't get that feeling here, as the three 15BO tracks highlighted on the show are three of the better tracks.  I could see how this special could drive fans to buy the record.  And I could see most of these fans being very disappointed after hearing the whole thing (especially the flat version of RNR Music that pales in comparison to the live version here).  

If you're a Beach Boys enthusiast, this is a must own.  If you're a casual fan, you can skip it.  But, if you're a casual fan, you're not reading this.  

"Rock and Roll Music" live rocks hard indeed.. More or less the only bearable BBs version.

Brian's production of Rock and Roll Music should've been a huge red flag that he wasn't ready to be put back in the driver's seat. 
Yet, somehow that turkey managed to make it into the top 10. But I do wonder how many people bought 15BO on the strength of the hit single, put it on the turntable, and decided they would never buy another Beach Boys album?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / DVDs and Videos / Re: Brian Wilson - I Just Wasn't Made for These Times on: November 20, 2021, 10:59:41 PM
Interesting to read other people's thoughts about this film. I still love it, still think it's the best film about Brian. As I noted before, I wasn't used to seeing Brian really put himself into his singing. He might look a little awkward at times, but he seems fully committed to the material.
Yes, he is older and heavier than in the Landy years, but it's kind of a shock to go back now and see him talking this way, so open and lucid. I thought he had some very interesting insights here, like his comments about humor.
Someone said something about Wendy appearing ticked off about not seeing her dad; I didn't pick that up. I just thought they both missed their dad in the years he was kept away from them. I wonder if that's any different now? It was strange to me that they were touring with Al, but not their own father.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / DVDs and Videos / Re: Brian Wilson presents SMiLE on: November 20, 2021, 10:48:38 PM
I find the documentary very hard to watch. There obviously was an agenda behind this project - the idea that the Beach Boys hated the Smile music, and helped to kill the project. This, despite the fact that the Beach Boys sang on all of this stuff; sang through many, many hours of painstaking vocal sessions, sessions that at times probably taxed their patience and their nervous systems.
For pure listening, the Smile Sessions has supplanted BWPS in my collection. As a live performance, though, Brian's band performing this material is very impressive. I give them an A+.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / DVDs and Videos / Re: Biography: Brian Wilson - A Beach Boy's Tale on: November 20, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
It was a pretty good retelling of the Beach Boys story. Very little input from Brian himself, but there's some pretty good insights provided by people close to him. They featured some video and performance footage that is common now, but back in 1999, it was new to me.
I was disappointed, though, that they pretty much skipped over Brian's 1995 return with IJWMFTT and Orange Crate Art, and skipped ahead to the Imagination period. And unlike others, I found Ginger Blake's comments to be pretty much spot on.
One of the better eps from the Biography channel.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: November 19, 2021, 07:31:27 PM
Brianís UK / European 2022 has been cancelled, although he plans to tour there again in 2023. I received an e-mail from Ticketmaster concerning the Amsterdam show I was supposed to attend.
I think that's being very, very optimistic, Brian touring again in 2023.
Oh yeah, and he's gonna do a rock and roll album.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who here wants a Beach Boys version of Disney+'s 'Get Back'? on: November 15, 2021, 07:05:57 PM
I'm still not buying the idea that the Get Back sessions were all fun and laughs. The group DID break up after agreeing to record one more album. There were a multitude of reasons for the group falling apart. I don't want a spin doctored look at the Beach Boys history. Just tell the truth of what happened.
The comparison I would make would be The Beatles Anthology series. Just let the guys tell the story themselves. There's plenty of interview footage out there; I realize getting more than a few words out of Brian these days is a challenge, but it wasn't back in the old days. There's that one clip where Brian is talking about whatever, then catches himself, and says something like "here I am blabbing away" and Carl breaks up laughing. "I like food!"
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson 2021 on: November 02, 2021, 08:44:42 PM
I would say, "wherever it is you came back from, did you bring Carl, too?"
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mini interview with Brian in latest Mojo on: October 30, 2021, 10:34:23 PM
Iíve always thought itís his stock answer in interviews to move them along or end them.

Whatís your next project?
I want to do a R&R album....Next!

Itís been the same for what, 15 years? In that time, with many albums and projects and a band at his disposal itís never happened. Donít think it has ever been tbh.
The real rockers in the band were Carl and Dennis.
I can't imagine Brian, especially nearing 80, suddenly coming out with an album of uptempo rock and roll songs.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Imagination on: October 23, 2021, 06:49:05 PM
I think this is definitely counting as Brian's followup to the self-titled album. What I've heard from Sweet Insanity never really sounded up to scratch, especially not in the version from the bootlegs, and after the torturous work that went into S/T because of Landy's meddling, you can tell that Brian felt truly liberated doing this album. After all, "music should come from a place of joy."
Hmm...okay. I thought IJWMFTT was the followup. Or maybe I've got my timeline mixed up. IJWMFTT and OCA were 1995? Imagination was 1998?
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: R. I. P. Ronnie Tutt on: October 20, 2021, 12:34:58 PM
One of the best. RIP Ronnie.

And so long to the dynamite rhythm section of Tutt Scheff.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Story of Randy Bachmanís Washington Mansion (BB content) on: October 19, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
Thanks for sharing.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles on: October 13, 2021, 01:52:51 PM
I'm excited to see and hear a print of the Let It Be footage that is crisp and bright, and audio of the unreleased material to accompany it that isn't interrupted by the voice slating the reel numbers and times and the beeps over the track, as anyone who has heard even a minute of all the Get Back/Let It Be bootleg material is familiar with.

I've had a copy of the film since I got it for Christmas many years ago on VHS, and I think I share the opinion with many fans including the Beatles themselves that it looked very dreary, and nearly every print of it that I've seen looked both grainy and dark. When I see this version of it via that trailer, the colors are vibrant and it comes alive. It should be fun to see.

What I'm not as excited to see is what's been reported as a history rewrite of those sessions and the clouds hanging over them. I know there was a split within the band during and especially after this time, George was not happy at all to be a sideman after he had just been hanging with some of rock music's elite in the US, John was riding the horse, etc. When you have at least half the band saying it was a miserable time, and the other half saying it wasn't as bad as what people think, there's the divide right there. So I'm curious to see how those 57 hours or whatever it was that was shot on film can be edited down to give a narrative over 50 years later, but I'm hoping a balance can be struck between the one faction's sunshine and lollipops view of it and the other faction (both of whom are no longer around to comment) who says the experience overall was miserable.

In the words of Lennon, "all I want is the truth".  Smiley

But I am digging the clarity of this new print after decades of watching the footage in bad quality.
All of the hype surrounding the new special...has been that it's an upbeat take of the Let it Be/Get Back sessions. IMO that means it's gonna be Paul's version, sunshine, lollipops and roses every day.
And I find it funny that they want to revise the narrative when George himself is on record in the Anthology as considering it a very miserable period.
But who are we to contradict the great Sir Paul McCartney?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 13, 2021, 01:33:25 PM
I just see it as another way to piggyback an "anniversary" of some kind onto Mike's Beach Boys shows or events that would have happened the same way had there been an anniversary or not. What is truly special about this gig to bill it as an anniversary celebration? Mark McGrath? Will there be a giant cake with sparkler candles and a large "60" cake-topper decoration that Mike and Bruce will cut during each performance after white-gloved kitchen staff wheel it out onto the dance floor? Maybe it will be a fake cake that Stamos will jump out of? Who knows. 

Understanding this is only one gig, to promote it as a celebration tied into the 60th anniversary of "The Beach Boys", the details of which fans have been discussing a lot for obvious reasons, seems like a question of is this cruise celebrating the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys, or is the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys being used to sell and market a music cruise that would have happened anyway? Mike has been doing these cruises for years, as shown by the marketing department using the same erroneous copy about Endless Summer they used in 2010, verbatim.

The difference as pointed out by others in previous posts is that the band's name and history is on the marquee, versus the name of an individual band member. And that's been the difference the whole time this license setup has been in place. It's a different ballgame.
Maybe it's time us REAL Beach Boys fans protest to BRI about the abomination that is Mike and Bruce as the touring Beach Boys.
Can we force their hand if we stop going to Mike and Bruce's shows?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: October 13, 2021, 01:31:04 PM
"Cotton Fields" from Happening '69 is played live and based on the 20/20 version. The performances of "Break Away" and Johnny B Goode" are also live.

Wow, that must be only the second time an act played live on the show. Wilson Pickett was on the show the year before, and did 3 or 4 songs live. IIRC, Pickett insisted that he and his band play live, so Lindsay and Revere went to the producers and insisted that he be allowed to do so.

The timeline for the show posted above is slightly off - the show began as Happening '68 early that year, hosted by Lindsay and Revere, as a once a week show. In the summer, Revere, Lindsay, and soon-to-be-Raider Keith Allison hosted a Monday thru Friday spinoff called It's Happening. That ended when the kids went back to school in the fall. In '69, Happening '68 became simply Happening, and ran through September of that year.
 I'm a Paul Revere/Raiders fan, so I know all this stuff.
I think there was also an episode where the Beach Boys promo film for I Can Hear Music was shown. The group themselves was not on the show that ep.

Is that where that "Just Like Me" clip co
mes from that used to get played on VH1 from time to time? Keith Allison is miming with the band and Smitty is punching a puppet.
I've seen that clip. It's not from Happening - Smitty wasn't in the band during that time. I don't think it's from Action, as those shows were always outdoors. Probably some local show somewhere.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 11, 2021, 12:01:14 AM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think itís fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda donít want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brianís life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mikeís touring band (Iím sure itís really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isnít limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.

I totally get your perspective and have honestly cared less and less as time goes on about Mikeís control of the license. I guess at times I still get bitter about the state of the band right now. I just wish they were still making music together, still touring together, not boycotting their own music because of a stupid hunting gig. So when Mike does some gig I think is absurd, I knock it. But meanwhile Mike is out there helping his band members make a living - they all have jobs they love, they play a good show. So no, Iím not that pissed off about it. And on the flip side of that, Brian and his band are helping support their crew by keeping things the way things are (and if they joined The Beach Boys to create another supergroup again, theyíd clearly have to let some people go. So Iím sure everyone is mostly happy with the way things are - but what do I know?).

Idk, none of it is black and white - for the band(s), for the fans. If any of us had the power to take the license from Mike, would we really (OSD excluded Grin)?? A decision like that could alter a lot of lives. In the end would it be worth it? And thatís probably why Mike still tours as The Beach Boys.
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