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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 22, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
There are also two albums with BBs on backing vocals on the list:

129. Pink Floyd, The Wall
214. Tom Petty, Wildflowers

The biggest surprise for me was the Beatles' Revolver (#11) ranking higher than Sgt. Pepper's LHCB (#24).

Who is on backing vocals for these albums???
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 14, 2020, 04:47:22 PM
Hearing about the drama surrounding this set's release/non-release really shows that sometimes things never change. It's tradition at this point that any good beach boys music doesn't come out and we get left with misguided table scraps and bitter feelings. Here's hoping there is a change in the cards this time...

I don't have much hope left and I wish I haven't heard about the set in the first place...
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Solo piano album on: June 10, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
We need to stop this stupid idea that all modern studio technology is bad, and everything was better before. Because the truth is, it wasn’t. Sure, there are a lot of modern production techniques that can be taken way too far. But lets stop getting mad when we notice that Pitch corrector, or some other ProTools plug-in is being used, and realize that it’s 2020. Of course they’re going to use what’s available nowadays. and in 2020, much like everything else, music production is Digital, and mostly done on computers. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that
I would love to elaborate, without today's technology, we would probably still be listening to records in mono, or having instruments panned onto one side and the other ala the Beatles! I think modern music technology just leads to more flexibility for the producer and musicians involved. I think about old piano recordings from Laura Nyro or Todd Rundgren, and the fidelity just can't compare to something even from the 80's or with American Spring. With old recordings, you get a lot of noise and compression due to bouncing from tape to vinyl/analog media. Digital music production has come a long way, and I firmly believe that the technology itself is not at fault for a lot of the overproduction that plagues many records today. To me, I specifically blame whoever mixes and masters the music, as it is typically mastered as loudly as possible in order to compare to specific frequencies of other contemporary songs.

I don't want to open that can of worms, but to me, to say that modern microphones or technology like Protools is to blame for some mediocre shlock of a production, I also think about some of Brian's better modern efforts like Lucky Old Sun, Gershwin, and Smile as examples of well-engineered works. The fidelity just doesn't compare!

As for auto-tune/pitch correction, etc. I also see double-tracking vocals as a form of pitch correction, so let's not put the blame on newer tech for that, when clearly, it was pioneered by the  himself!
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What do we really know about the late 60's- early 70's Murry Wilson? on: May 07, 2020, 03:18:38 AM
Not sure where to start...

Of the 50 or so songs Murry wrote or co-authored in his lifetime, very few were copywritten in the 70s. The bulk of his writing was in the 50s. The people working most frequently in music with Murry in the years near the end were Fred Vail and Rick Henn. Murry had cash, so he was cutting surprisingly well produced and performed demos (like The Snow one that came out recently). If he had songs he wanted to hawk, he paid for a good studio, good engineers, and good players to record them for him. He also wrote and cut more jingles than just the KFC one. Alan Boyd has indicated to me that the very last song Murry submitted for copyright (once in 1972, then again in 1973 for some reason) was a stab at a commercial jingle. I would love to get my hands on that for my upcoming Murry LP project.

All-in-all, what gets me most about Murry is he was writing songs off-and-on for 40 years. Only about 20 of the 50 compositions were ever recorded and released. Mostly he's remembered for The Many Moods instrumentals, but that was an anomaly. He wrote songs with lyrics mostly. 

What is your Murry LP project?  Do Tell!

I've recorded and am releasing new versions of 11 Murry penned tracks, mostly from the 50s, pre-Beach Boys. I've been researching this for years and with the help of some amazing fans, historians, archive personnel, former business associates of Murry's etc, I'm almost done. Of the 11 songs, super fans may be familiar with about 1/3 of them, although there are no Murry tracks that were popularized by The Beach Boys, Honeys, Sunrays, or from Many Moods. Some of the songs are so rare they were never copywritten or published (but I finally received all rights to release/licenses today). It will be out in a few months. Still have to master it and press. Will be a small run of 300 LPs. No digital sales or streaming (for a million reasons).

Like the Murry Christmas 7" I put out last December ( the players are all pro, the producers too, and the cover art will be by Peter Bagge again. This LP will be my third and last Murry release. It's been fun, but I simply cannot find any more songs. Even with all the help, most of his work has been destroyed, lost, and forgotten. 
Please keep me (us) posted on whenever this is available. I would like to buy this release.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 28, 2020, 05:13:31 PM
Here's a funny Brianism I found in an Q&A with Todd Rundgren:

"...when I met Brian he had no attention span. First thing he said when I got to his house was, “I have the new Roy Wood single!” And he would put it on and play 15 seconds of it. Then he took it off, ran over to the piano and started tinkling out something, and then 20 seconds after that he was off doing another thing."


Didn't know he was a fan of Roy Wood! Any other artists Brian is a fan of that is sort of left field?
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favourite, least favourite, overrated, and underrated Beach Boys album on: April 17, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
Fav: Tied between Smile Sessions and Love You (Pet Sounds is in a close third, with MIU/Adult Child a distant 4th). Each of these albums are very off the wall in different ways. I love Brian's control on the production studio/vocals. There isn't anything else like it, and nothing since imo. Songs are instantly hummable imo, heck I'm doing a sheet music project on Love You, if that confirms my biases.

Least Fav: KTSA - the way the vocals are processed is so irritating to my ears. I just can't get past it... Songs are below average imo and better mixed on other sources (see When Girls Get Together), there are better scraps too (Brian's Phil Spector stuff, Dennis' Bambu stuff, even Mike's stuff left in the can are better material than what came out, besides Goin' On imo, unlike LA, I am not a fan of Bruce's soft production touches).

Underrated: Beach Boys (1985), I think it deserved a better chart placement/promotion. Imo, good songs, good balance of Bw input + band. Good singing, the band finally sounds youthful-ish again after the disaster that was KTSA... Can't stand the Culture Club production now, but there are good songs in there, especially Getcha Back (even tho it's a Springsteen rip off), Where I Belong, and Male Ego (which should have appeared on the main LP instead of hidden in the CD release... The band shouldn't have been kicked to the curb like they were after this album came out and dried up.

Overrated: Sunflower (I love schmaltzy songs, but Add Some Music just comes across as dentist waiting room music. It needed more of a hard edge like Surf's Up. Maybe it should have been a double album of Sunflower/Surf's Up, and put the whole package together as a double LP, especially since Sunflower completely bombed).

These are my thoughts as of today, things ebb and flow, much like the fortunes, legacies, and turbulence of this band.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If 15 Big Ones was a completely originals album on: April 16, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
Had we had an album like this, we wouldn't have gotten Love You.

Bc Rock and Roll Music was a Top 10 single. 15 Big Ones as we know has Brian's fingertips all over it; if it was a democratic album ala Holland or CaTP, then maybe Brian wouldn't have felt so confident to explore his creative urges (at the insistence of Landy). I don't think Brian would have felt the need to express himself, had he wasn't so represented/pressured after 15 Big Ones came out and he was shoved out on tour in '76.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibes Only Dramedy w. The Beach Boys Music From John Stamos In Works At HBO on: March 13, 2020, 01:26:31 AM
If only I knew about this I would have LOVED to audition for this show...
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
Well, if they’re so offended by the elite liberalism of Brian Wilson (who once told an interviewer he planned to vote for John McCain instead of Barack Obama because McCain made him “feel safe”), then surely they don’t need to sully their ears by listening to his music.

I look forward to Mike playing a show full of songs he wrote solo or with composers other than Brian, and cover versions that weren’t arranged by his cousin. It’ll be what — 15 minutes long?
Didn't Brian go to the Kennedy Center with Obama in attendance? That's an odd statement but in hindsight not surprising considering all the anti Obama stuff spewed before the election.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Our Special Love - A Second Released Mix? And are there more songs like this? on: January 23, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
Something that I noticed today is this version of Our Special Love from 2014 has missing backing vocals compared to the No Pier Pressure release in 2015. I personally prefer this version of the song due to more clearly hearing Brian's voice:

But I wonder if there are any more demos or beta mixes that exist? Songs that accidentally shipped out unfinished?

In any case, I didn't know that Our Special Love had two released mixes. Carry on...
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry Wilson And Snow on: December 16, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
Is it bad that I now prefer this arrangement to the Beach Boys tune? The Beach Boys tune now sounds half-baked to me compared to this lush arrangement.
37  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Opera, anybody? on: November 24, 2019, 08:41:52 PM

Here is the live stream link! Yes I am a Michigander if you peak closely at the URL! The show starts at 7pm EST! It should be a fun time!

Shoot, I totally missed it.  Will it be available to listen to on demand?  I sure hope so!

That's cool that you're at MSU.  I have pretty deep connections in the Michigan vocal world, and I like to keep up with what the schools are doing.
I'm trying to get my hands on some recordings of the shows I have done in my time here, it might be a little bit, but I will see what I can get. So sorry that you missed it... MSU is getting a new building which will be pretty sweet when it's all done.
38  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Opera, anybody? on: November 23, 2019, 12:59:36 PM

Here is the live stream link! Yes I am a Michigander if you peak closely at the URL! The show starts at 7pm EST! It should be a fun time!
39  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Opera, anybody? on: November 18, 2019, 09:16:06 PM
This Wednesday my school is performing Orpheus in the Underworld by Jacques Offenbach. It's been translated into English by Buck Ross from the Moore's School of Music in Houston, Texas. I personally think the translation offers a more modern take on the humor, while not impacting too much of the music. It uses the longer 1874 version as a template. I'll be playing the part of Pluto, and we open this Wednesday! If there is a livestream link would people like to see it?
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: September 04, 2019, 10:24:17 AM
Have you tried playing the vob file on vlc player?
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs That Could’ve Fit On Pet Sounds on: August 16, 2019, 07:39:39 AM
Summer Means New Love with some added percussion!
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian postponing tour the day before it starts. on: June 06, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Here is a piece I wrote about this subject, because BW is near and dear to my heart. I published it as a note to Facebook to my friends and such, because it's something I view as really important. Hopefully it reads okay...

Brian Wilson's Admission on Mental Health Was a Good Thing

As you all know, I'm a pretty big fan of the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson in general. As an active observer of the band's activities, it is very easy to indulge into deeper speculation and curiosities, be it in search for deeper connection and relatability, or for pure entertainment. Thus, this is considered a hot take on the subject matter at hand, and is not intended to be a gateway into deeper issues on the systemic nature of art and the relationships between the consumer and the artist.

This morning I woke up to the following message on Brian Wilson's website:

"Letter as presented on his website"

It is not an industry secret that Brian Wilson has been struggling with mental illness throughout his career. Numerous examples of depression, anxiety, and schizoaffective disorder are on the public record, and there are many stories that document his troubles contained in books, as well as various stages of social media. In 2014, a movie based on Wilson's struggles with his psychologist, Dr. Eugene Landy was shown to theaters around the world, showing a brief glimpse of the abuse and torment that has plagued the artist for many years.

It is all the more surprising that here he is in 2019, commenting on his situation at all, and the fact that he is admitting mental insecurity is unheard of.

In the 1960's and 1970's, it was not an uncommon sight to sweep mental illness under the rug. Cases like Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd infamy springs to the public's minds that being mentally ill was an open gateway to supercharged creativity and In Brian Wilson's case, this narrative was pushed generously in advertisements for his next big project. When Brian Wilson stopped touring after a nervous breakdown in 1964, an unhealthy culmination of nonstop touring, producing, and composing, the press were quick to bury any mention of personal mental turmoil. In July 1967, as the anticipation for Brian's biggest project yet, Smile, was slowly fraying behind the scenes internally, press agents for the newly formed Brother Records label, falsely attributed Brian's eccentricities and outlandish behavior as the key to his genius. This classification would haunt Brian's mindset for the entirety of his career. Throughout the 1970's it was documented that the pressure led to career withdrawal and a spiral to substance abuse. As album sales began to dry up, Brian Wilson was eventually coerced back into the organization to produce records in 1976, with a fancy slogan to back it up: "Brian's Back." With the lead off singles, Rock and Roll Music, and It's OK to lead the charge into a new label relationship with Warner Bros. Records, it seemed Wilson was fully back into the fold.

Looking deeper into the situation however, leads fans to uncover an emotionally unstable creative circus bear, hopelessly being wheeled around by his band, forcefully controlled by the corporation demanding hits which stifled his own creativity, and being psychologically ordered around by his doctor, Eugene Landy, creating a toxic relationship that would last into the early 1990's. These unfortunate stops and starts were never documented in any way, save a few articles in gossip papers. Any interview was either well-scripted or extremely off-putting, showing viewers a truly lost soul in a sea of scrambled torment. In fact, knowledge of Landy's control over Brian Wilson's activities were not uncovered until a tell-all expose by Diane Sawyer revealed that Brian's personal will was illegally changed through his psychologist. To say that Brian Wilson's life was under control was a woefully misguided attempt to keep the band's image afloat in music circles. They desperately wanted to keep Brian's image as a genius intact, and to mitigate any oddities as mere faults of eccentricity, rather than reality. The truth was never going to come out, and it was only uncovered through an FBI investigation into the doctor's treatment of a different patient, that led to the discovery in the first place. After an eventual estrangement of the doctor and his patient in 1992, Wilson's recovery would truly begin, although not without periods of instability and sadness.

Wilson's resurgence in the 2000's was also not without troubles. During the sessions of the comeback album Imagination, Wilson began to admit that he flipped out, and that sometimes he was not enjoying himself. Later interviews would indicate that he was being pressured into these sessions due to contractual obligations, rather than personal satisfaction. While these interviews are hard to corroborate, fuel was added to the flame that things were still not okay in the Wilson camp, with no clear answer as to what was going on.

Going to a Brian Wilson show today can lead to two different outcomes. The first is going to an animated show, with a technically sound backing band backing up one of the most unique musicians of the 1960's. The latter outcome, and the most common these days unfortunately, is being faced with a disheveled Wilson, wheeled out in a wheelchair, backed by a nervous group of musicians, squeaking through his most critically acclaimed album, then quickly leaving each show, puzzling critics and fans alike. Does he really want to tour? Is he simply too old to tour? Is Brian Wilson happy? As a fan, the truth is completely open to debate as indicated through critics and Beach Boys circles, and with a new documentary promising to take a more intimate picture of Brian Wilson and his health, it is impossible to know for sure. However, to see this supposedly broken man up and admit to his fans that something is amiss, is a sight to behold.

With this admission, I think it is important to recognize that the stigma behind mental illness is abhorrible, and needs to change. In the music industry, a search for emotional perfectionism and unending positivity to satisfy employment parties, labels, fans, &c. can cause invisible inner turmoil, and without emotional checks and balances can lead to further problems down the road. Mental illness as a correlation for higher creativity output is dangerous to the end user. It is important to recognize that one's personal happiness and self-care should always be a priority in order to live a happy, fulfilling life. Your condition should not be stigmatized as cowardly or dismissed as eccentric. Mental illness is real and can be devastating, and should always be taken seriously. You have a right to health and happiness, and that should never be compromised through coercion or external manipulation.

Without commenting or speculating as to what is going on, I sincerely hope that Brian Wilson will get a chance to truly rest, put things into perspective, and get back to what he truly wants to do in a manner of his choosing.
43  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Opera, anybody? on: May 03, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
I just got a bachelor's in voice today. Have lots of stories to tell froy experiences in the opera world. I just wrapped up a production of La Scala di Seta, an obscure Rossini opera, bell canto Italian composer as the tenor lead. Hard af music, like Handel on steroids to sing.
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Beach Boys song you heard on the radio on: April 07, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
I literally just hear In My Car at Kroger just now and came here specifically to post that
Guess you were the master of your fate...  Grin
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Wilson Songs Discovered on BMI's Website on: March 11, 2019, 09:50:08 AM
I am aware of all of these boots, I didn't want to post the whole list of names that I found. Some more interesting ones are:
Life's Not a Fantasy
It's the Ocean and Me
Not This Again
Number One
Robotech Scheme
Time Stood Still (With CATONA credit)
You're Not the Same

And more... I brought up the ones that might be familiar with hardcore fans, but nevertheless, I still find it really interesting. I'll take a look at the Copyright office too. One thing is for sure, if Brian's catalogue ever gets extended box sets, I will be the first one to vouch for these releases.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New Brian Wilson Songs Discovered on BMI's Website on: March 10, 2019, 11:13:13 PM
Hey y'all,

In my pursuit of securing copyrights for the songs in Sweet Insanity, I ended up in BMI's website, and discovered many song titles of songs written at least partially by Brian Wilson that I had never heard before, and perhaps will never see the light of day.

Under GLVD Publishing, along with all the Sweet Insanity songs, I get interesting titles such as:
Talkman Talkman
Terri She Needs Me
Walking on Water
Music in My Head
No One Ever Says No
Hey Mr Space Cadet

And many more weird, fascinating titles. I encourage a look at this website. It feels like I discovered some more "Bedroom Tapes" although these are from the '80s I think, the titles are sure just as weird...

Under Beach Bum Music I get all of these, along with some other songs from Brian Wilson '88, and some remnants of Pet Sounds Outtakes (Hang on to Your Ego Instrumental).

Something interesting is a lot of these songs were written or at least copyrighted with David W Foster, is he someone famous? Did I uncover something new in Brian's catalogue? I'd like to think so, but who knows...

Any thoughts on this? Also I will keep you guys updated on the Sweet Insanity Sheet Music, I just finished an SATB+Piano reduction of Water Builds Up. Concert Tonight is getting reworked as well.

Sorry for the rambling, hope someone found this interesting!
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sweet Insanity Album Art Remake on: March 04, 2019, 10:46:53 AM
Hey! Amazing work! I have a question, I am planning to eventually attempt to put out sheet music of the sweet insanity era, would it be okay if I used your recreation of the cover? Also I would like to write about where you sourced it from and such, if that is okay with you! Thanks.

I don't have any problem with it! That cover is from an art book about lost albums called "The Greatest You'll Never Heard" by Bruno Macdonald. I don't have the book so i had to use that low quality pic for the recreation.

Thank you, especially since it is a recreation, I wanted to be careful ya know. Who knows if the music will ever see a light of day!  Cheesy
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sweet Insanity Album Art Remake on: March 03, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
Hey! Amazing work! I have a question, I am planning to eventually attempt to put out sheet music of the sweet insanity era, would it be okay if I used your recreation of the cover? Also I would like to write about where you sourced it from and such, if that is okay with you! Thanks.
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Calling on: February 25, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
I think I am in the minority then, I like how they sang on it. It's a nice harken to their younger days. Mike sounded so off in the 70's and sounds better here. I just hate the Culture Club-esque production. Blegh.
50  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: SMiLE era transcriptions? on: February 05, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
I can give it a shot. I also have the official BWPS 2004 sheet music as a PDF if you'd like that as well.
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