I think it is Carl because of that very last "ah oh", it sounds too wavey (can't describe it in any other way) in timbre compared to Brian's at that range.  Break Away's demo has Brian at that similar range in the chorus and he just sounds different to me... 

I listened to "Liability" by Lorde, and it struck a chord with me. 

I understand that lossless audio can be found by looking around on the web, HDtracks is cool btw, but what stinks is that lossless audio isn't offered to most products on sites the majority of people actually use (i.e. iTunes, Spotify, &c.)

I'm not impressed with Bruce's "unique" direction with the album.  In my opinion, everything sounds sloshy.  Keepin' the Summer Alive sounds better as a live track because in the studio, the instrumentation and the vocals are so ho hum and workman-like.

The autotune on TWGMtR doesn't bother me as much as the fact that the album was apparently rushed out and the actual BB's didn't have time to lay down their vocals before time was up. 

I think the inherent problem with digital downloads compared to physical media is that it isn't yet feasible, financially, for digital products to offer lossless audio quality.  This is an issue I have a personal contention with.  iTunes only offers lossless audio in selected products, for the hardcore fans, and the casual fan could care less.  In the case for audio preservation/back up, it is infuriating (especially as a BB fan) that record companies refuse to accommodate these needs.

I agree, this is impossible!

Lady Madonna
Hey Jude
Day Tripper
Penny Lane

Those songs come to mind, I think they would work well together in any order.

I am in the minority that doesn't really care for Within You Without You, so I pick that one.

Seasons in the Sun

Based on hearing the track I have concluded:

"Marcella Hey" is Carl
"Heyyy Marcella" is Brian I think...
"Doo be doos" is Al.
"One arm over my shoulder" (not the melody but the part above, answering Mike's melody) is Blondie or Ricky... not sure..

Sorry about the spamming of topics.  I couldn't get the darn thing to upload yesterday.  I have a YouTube link and a SoundCloud link.  I hope you enjoy this new arrangement I made for this song.

https://soundcloud.com/mariosoniccouncil/dont-let-her-know-shes-an-angel-new-strings-and-horn-arrangement

https://youtu.be/U-X43rslgzc

I played around with the demo tape of Brian singing this demo and I added some stuff to it.  There is a thunderstorm in the background as well as a new string and horn arrangement made by me.  I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.  Note: I might reupload this because I don't hear the horn very well, but let me know if it sounds okay.  

Re-uploading...

Mike and Brian seem so at ease with each other here it's unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQGb379AntA
What the hell happened?

Thanks for the link!! Dancin' the night away.... 

Brian rocked the falsetto still! man what a beautiful chorus that Dancin' The Night Away was.. why did you turn it down Carl

This clip makes me really sad too...  What could have been.   

She Said She Said

Grab the popcorn and debate, because this one is a doozy...

Surfin Safari: Ten Little Indians
Surfin USA: Shut Down
Surfer Girl: Our Car Club
Little Deuce Coupe: Spirit of America
Shut Down Vol 2: Cassius Love V. Sonny Wilson
All Summer Long: Our Favorite Recording Sessions
Today!: Bull Session
Summer Days: (Urgh this is tough) And Your Dream Comes True
Party: The Times They are Changin'
Pet Sounds: (As if any of these tracks are truly bad, I just don't listen to this one as much) Sloop John B.
Smiley Smile: (I like all of these tracks, but I don't listen to this one that much) She's Goin' Bald
Wild Honey: Mama Says
Friends: Be Still
20/20: All I Want to Do
Sunflower: Tied between: Got To Know The Woman, Deidre, and Tears in the Morning
Surf's Up: Student Demonstration Time
CATP: Here She Comes
Holland: Used to be Sailboat, but now it is Only With You (I like Dennis' vocals better, Carl's sound sleepy)
15 Big Ones: I'm copping out with Susie Cincinnati because I don't think it really fits the rest of the album
Love You: Love is a Woman (Live performances are better)
MIU: Al Jardine's version of Come Go with Me
LA: Goin' South
Keepin' The Summer Alive: When Girls Get Together (That mix is terrible)!
BB85: Where I Belong (I don't care for this song's gestation), or I'm So Lonely (I dislike the lyrics compared to an earlier version)
Still Cruisin: Island Girl
Summer In Paradise: Remember (Walkin' in the Sand)
TWGMTR: Beaches in Mind (it sounds so empty, it doesn't fit)
Ultimate Christmas: (I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree or Santa Claus is Comin' to Town
Adult/Child: Games Two People Play (weird, and not in a good way)
SMiLE: Barnyard/My Only Sunshine (but I love Great Shape)

[Smile]

I seem to be in the minority, but I very much prefer Brian's original lead. I'm glad to have a high quality version, but to me this vocal just sounds bored, sluggish, and completely un-interested.
I wish that had either kept the original or had Brian record a new one again. Brian has sounded (increasingly, in my opinion) amazing since 2004's Smile and I think he could've really knocked this one out of the ballpark had he recorded it off the heels of That"s Why God Made The Radio.

That interview makes me sad that it all just fizzled.  Don't forget this event in 1995 with BW and Don Was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loHn4Be6cuQ&ab_channel=UltimateBeachBoysVideoCollection

Bittersweet Insanity, link is broken.

I hear Al taking the lower register with headphones on.  It's a good track, and I'm glad both Jardine's got some recognition they so badly deserve.

As the original poster fruitlessly trying to reign in his own thread: Yes there were issues with Mike, but I am more focused on Carl, perhaps Melinda (but I'm not sure about opening that can of worms), Joe Thomas, and Don Was' effects on what ultimately happened, as well as hoping that these tracks will gain a form of release (not counting GiOMH).  Hopefully that made sense lol.

Or was the above post meant in answer to the thread topic?

I was trying to answer both questions.  I wonder what inspired these riffs other than to BW, Shortnin' Bread was the best song ever.

I don't really hear the similarity.

Perhaps I listened wrong.  The rhythms to me are similar to the Shortnin' Bread riff, but I think at least both of these are really similar.

Given what I know...and following through in order to also accurately consider his more modern contributions [say those made to Slumber in Pair of Dice for example]... ... ...I think we can safely assume that 'he' would have been behind the concept of the group going with the memorable. daunting, and ever-so-challenging "Duh duh duh...duh duh...duh duh duh...duh duh.../Duh duh duh...duh duh...duh duh duh...duh duh"  intro to Louee-Louee.

"Duhhhhhh."   Those are the kind of special lyrics and moments which immediately enable me to conjure up the image I have grown accustomed to in terms of equating  that 'love' character with all of the great stuff he's has done to...er - sorry...'for' the brand...I mean band.

  You're killing me smalls!

Yeah, but that's very much *because* Brian was given such a hard time for having had the "temerity" to collaborate with specific writers for entire albums the only two times he tried it with The BBs (Pet Sounds + SMiLE). Brian's issues with finishing material grew out of the damage that occurred partly as a result of BB bandmate hostility to doing material that would have necessitated outside cowriters.

It's ironic, because the toxic/dysfunctional lesson for Brian to learn was that if Brian had an urge to do material that wasn't what his bandmates (one especially) wanted to/were able to cowrite, then Brian getting another outside writer for a whole project wasn't an acceptable solution; writing material for an outside band like Redwood wasn't an acceptable solution; really, the only solution was to just to be pressured to fall back in line into making "appropriate" music for The BBs, and to quash the urge to evolve as an artist the way he wanted to. It's no wonder Brian developed such complexes and writer's block.

This is why Brian didn't try it again until decades later with Paley when he really needed the assist from a collaborator, and while the Paley sessions suffered a similar fate of rejection by The BBs (ridiculous, considering the drek they'd released for decades sans Brian), in 2012, the one other final time after Pet Sounds/SMiLE that it would be tried with The BBs, fortunately Brian had Melinda (as well as that very collaborator) present to play interference/head off one other member's ego issues, regardless if some of that member's gripes were justified or not.
 
Let's face it: the collaborations Brian did in 1966/1967 led to a passive aggressive cesspool with his cousin (not helped by some other band members, most likely); a situation that was getting worse and worse, with Brian being guilted into "promising" his cousin that the next record would be back to recording with Mike. Incredible that the biggest musical genius of the 20th century was pressured into making promises like that. Nobody makes that kind of promise without being pressured to do so. Ridiculous.

Honestly, yes I *get* how people could get jealous and irked at being cast aside, but if Brian had NOT endured such grief and lack of support (singing ones' parts well, as Mike and The Boys did does not = the internal support that Brian needed) on those two projects, not only would the second of the two likely gotten finished and released, but he'd likely have been more inclined to try writing future BB projects (entire albums) with other collaborators.

Yes, I remain convinced that if his bandmates had been super supportive, they could and would have gotten SMiLE done, come hell or high water. I don't buy it wasn't possible. If Darian was Brian's musical secretary with a laptop (but just one guy), an entire team of 5 other guys willing to be musical secretaries - albeit without laptops - but ready and willing to cut tape, organize Brian's sh*t, and not complain, could have equaled the same result.

Darian was a hired hand who knew he had a job to do, while comparatively, Brian's BB mates didn't have a boss like Melinda, nor did they have an inkling to do anything of the sort. If Darian had complained Mike-style, and acted like a passive aggressive jerk, he probably would have gotten fired; his position was to get results. The Boys in 1966 did not have any such system to make sure they were supportive to their leader - it was a band with a completely different dynamic; the only thing that might have gotten any of them fired would have been completely walking out on a project for good - and even then, family ties - excepting Jardine - would probably have prevented termination.  

Yes, I know it's perhaps not a realistic scenario to retroactively expect a bunch of spoiled, rich young guys in 1966 to have done Herculean tasks like that... but it still could have happened, and I think the myth that it was literally impossible needs to be put to rest.

It's at least partly because Brian grew a negative connotation to the internal resistance and rejection of his more adventurous material that he stopped trying to do entire albums with outside collaborators. It's that very rejection of collaborating with others for entire albums which Brian endured that led to both his increase in self-medication, as well as his motivation drying up.

I don't even want to think what it must *still* have been like, both in the 1990s as well as 2012, for Brian's work with collaborators like Paley and Thomas to yet again have faced rejection from his bandmates. I know Carl bent over backwards in 1977 to make sure that Love You got finished (and as a fan I'm hugely grateful for it), but it's too bad that  internal politics (and a bunch of unknown factors) in the 1990s didn't lead to Carl's similar support happening again with the Paley stuff. Probably it was all still fallout from Landy. Now when it comes to Mike crudely making fun of songs like Summer's Gone - and knowingly having the chutzpah to do it on a PUBLIC level - I really just have no words; that's next level sh*t.

OSD, this sums up my feelings about Brian's psyche regarding the collapse of SMiLE.  I don't buy the drugs messing things up either.  I think first and foremost, Brian didn't want to upset anyone in his creative zone, and as people became impatient, plus ingroup splintering, the project fell apart.  Still wish the Paley stuff was released in high quality though.  It is a true shame that so much of Brian's music has been kept in the vaults.  Heck, I still want to hear Just an Imitation or Song to God, but we will probably never get to hear those because of Beach Boys 'branding issues' or the tapes were lost, or never worked on because the Beach Boys refused, and other such things.

Sorry about that rant though, I let my rage spill out lol.

I just took a look at the Vosse piece again to confirm, and he says Cabinessence was going to be "a wholly different trip" than what we got on 20/20. Dennis singing by himself to his girl by a fireplace, supposed to be set somewhere up in the mountains, "very simple" according to Vosse. Then "Who Ran The Iron Horse" was a separate piece which "Bicycle Rider" was going to be a part of, about the Chinese workers on the railroads with the crow cries lyrics.

It's interesting because I can hear Dennis' singing even in the Carl lead vocal which everyone knows, and can picture Dennis' voice doing that lead to a "T" because it sounds like him, phrasing and even tonal quality in some places. Make it more interesting by imagining it as Vosse remembered these as separate parts, and there is Dennis as a lone voice singing to his girl in the mountains about giving her a home on the range, the simple mountain or pioneer life of the 1850's let's say...then the railroads are being built by the Chinese laborers on Who Ran...and somewhere much later Dennis comes back as the narrator voice doing his rap, talking about seeing the truck driving men which was the result of everything that had happened from the time he sang that simple song somewhere up in the mountains and uncharted territory. And the Bicycle Rider theme is there to tie it together.

Based on Vosse I personally see this as a suite, not one track, like what turned out on 20/20:
Perhaps the form could be: Verses, Iron Horse/Bicycle Rider or Worms?, Coulee Dam, Truck Driving Man?

I know there are parts missing, but that seems like what Vosse is saying.

You know, everybody talks about the Shortnin' Bread riff, but the MCBTLA-Child of Winter-Some of Your Love riff may have been used even more than the Shortnin' Bread riff.

It's a variation of the Shortnin' Bread riff.  It's got the same rhythm to it and I think it is JUST similar enough to be a variation...