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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 1971: The Year That Music Changed Everything on: May 29, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
Sadly, unlike us who love the boys to death, they kind of "peaked" in the late 60's. They never received the commercial success they got before. So much good music, and I also think the BB's inspired songwriters behind the scenes... So I am at least happy about that.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Long Promised Road to be released in June! on: April 29, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
This could be very special. Or not.

This will be very special. Or not. But it will.
I think it will bc this will be the first sighting of BW in about a year now. Will be nice to get some interview snippets and hopefully some recording snippets.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Music: Add Some Music on: April 22, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
Why is this album mastered so badly? Everything sounds distorted and fuzzy, it really distracts from actually listening to the thing...

Also it's fun to hear Ram Raj again, thanks Mike.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 21, 2021, 07:58:12 AM
Falsetto in my sense after studying music for many years is singing above the break of the voice, without the undertones of the chest. IMO Brian's is easily distinguishable and most iconic. The BB's stack their voices in 4's, 6's, or 8's (at the most), and are mostly doubled, making any falsetto part sound bigger (have more depth). Carl had the smoothest transition from chest to head voice (falsetto). Bruce's voice gets weaker and quieter as it moves to head voice (falsetto), same for Al. In LA, what makes the voices sound odd, is that they play around with their iconic vocal stack due to Brian's unwillingness to participate. M.I.U. was probably the last album to feature the traditional vocal stack of the Beach Boys that we come to recognize as the Beach Boys sound. I think there was a struggle to try and replicate this sound in LA, so it is naturally difficult to pinpoint as to who is on top, and so on.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 26, 2021, 03:06:02 PM
Personally if Desper is really being left out of the conversation, I think it's needlessly dumb. His sound is what made those albums what they were in the first place. I can understand not wanting to commit to new quadrophonic mixes, but it sounds to me that the archivists just want to rush the music out, and are probably underbudgeted. But in the end, I don't come into this set for anything else but the music, and assume that there are always going to be politics at play. That's the nature of being a Beach Boys fan. It's messy, and you gotta wade through all the politics in order to get into the music. Hopefully we can hear from Desper's perspective, but in the end, the fact that this music is getting reissued in the first place is a cause for joy in and of itself.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking Back With Love - Official Release on: March 16, 2021, 07:23:12 PM
I have a vinyl rip of it, but I am currently listening to the Spotify release now. I like about half this album, but I think there should have been more Beach Boys involvement personally.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Fred Vail and his Country Album with Brian on: March 11, 2021, 01:28:48 PM
So is Fred's Gofundme up yet?   Love the idea of a fan-financed completion of "Cows."   If 600 BB fans put in $50 each...
I'll put in $75 if we get all the tapes.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Some Brian Footage that I Found Today (with Elvis Costello) on: January 30, 2021, 04:38:54 PM
Here is this big ol dump of Brian Wilson footage for a documentary. Does anyone know what this is from or what this is for? In the meantime, enjoy an almost movie length trove of Brianisms.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 20, 2021, 07:29:16 AM
There's another one from April '78 that doesn't go around, called I Really Love You, and it's bizarre. It sounds like his MIU voice on sleeping pills.
I'd love to personally hear this. MIU Brian's voice is so interesting and just a strange anomaly.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SWD Study-Videos --- update on: January 16, 2021, 04:27:42 PM
Thank you for this information and all of your contributions to Beach Boys history. It is always a treat to hear you 50 years (and more) after the genesis of some of my favorite albums! I hope you have a great 2021! 
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Obscure City-Pop Brian Wilson Cover on: December 15, 2020, 09:28:56 PM
I recommend Tatsu's discography if you like barbershop/beach boys harmonies. Big Wave is the tip of the iceberg... I've got the majority of his albums if you want to listen... Sort of reminds me of what would happen if Brian would strike out on his own, develop his musical instrument abilities on bass, and split off the Beach Boys in early 1970! In an alternate world maybe...
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 03, 2020, 01:29:19 PM
Well now I'm more confused - and, admittedly, I have not gone to the honored guests thread -

If you can send a signal to 4 speakers, surely you can record that signal (output) and then press that as 4 discrete channels on any medium that stores more than 4 channels.

What am I missing?

The issue is that you can't send a signal to 4 speakers in this case.  Desper never did a mix with 4 discrete output signals.  His device is for two speakers.
So is this system like Prologic 2 where you get different frequencies bounced to different speakers?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 28, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
While watching Norbit.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 6 copies left of LONG PROMISED ROAD: SONGS OF DENNIS AND CARL WILSON LIVE on: November 27, 2020, 09:22:21 PM
Now there are only 5 copies left. 
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 23, 2020, 05:32:17 PM
One thing that is interesting about this 1970 release (samples) is that the only song I have not previously heard here is You Never Give Me Your Money. There is no other "outtake" here which has remained out of public hearing.

There are 2 possibilities:

1. The tapes from this year (1970) have been mined/leaked to such an extent that there is not a single song that we didn't know about still in the archives.

2. There will still have to be a small copyright dump prior to Christmas to protect a few other things.

Any thoughts?
As a rebuff to no. 2 I have not heard much of these outtakes. Yeah I've heard the usual, but these mixes will no doubt sound much better. LOVE the alt outtake don't go near the water.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alt LA: Replace 10:51 HCTN with 4:28. Add Still I Dream Of It and It's Over Now on: November 19, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
1. The album would still flounder in the charts.
2. This would make LA a more democratic album, and probably better than what came out.
3. No, the production would have to get cleaned up ala MIU in order to become "listenable" I think a new Brian lead and some new drums and percussion would have to be employed in order to make these two songs fit sonically.
4. No, Brian was already petering out at this point due to his divorce from Marilyn at this time, he would have retreated into bed even if different musical events occurred. The man was checked out emotionally since MIU. The band might not have received as much scorn in the media, but I don't think they would have received any more respect if Brian compositions were in it. If LA came out in place of MIU then there would probably be a different story. But, 1979 was way too late in trends for the kind of music the Beach Boys were making in the first place to garner any sort of respect.

The Beach Boys were a joke at this point, both live, and in studio, and wouldn't regain some semblance of a footing until the 80s. I don't think one album can change that trajectory, unfortunately.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 15, 2020, 01:09:25 PM
I guess this spells the end of the Beach Boys eh? If there are no new albums to produce, does this mean the dream is over?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 18, 2020, 09:49:45 PM
I think this is going to drag the band down and alienate young listeners moving forward. This leaves me absolutely livid, as I love this group with all my heart, but my brain is shattered. C'mon. This is horrible optics, and is just going to completely kill this band's legacy. This is not a drill.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 22, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
There are also two albums with BBs on backing vocals on the list:

129. Pink Floyd, The Wall
214. Tom Petty, Wildflowers

The biggest surprise for me was the Beatles' Revolver (#11) ranking higher than Sgt. Pepper's LHCB (#24).

Who is on backing vocals for these albums???
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 14, 2020, 04:47:22 PM
Hearing about the drama surrounding this set's release/non-release really shows that sometimes things never change. It's tradition at this point that any good beach boys music doesn't come out and we get left with misguided table scraps and bitter feelings. Here's hoping there is a change in the cards this time...

I don't have much hope left and I wish I haven't heard about the set in the first place...
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Solo piano album on: June 10, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
We need to stop this stupid idea that all modern studio technology is bad, and everything was better before. Because the truth is, it wasn’t. Sure, there are a lot of modern production techniques that can be taken way too far. But lets stop getting mad when we notice that Pitch corrector, or some other ProTools plug-in is being used, and realize that it’s 2020. Of course they’re going to use what’s available nowadays. and in 2020, much like everything else, music production is Digital, and mostly done on computers. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that
I would love to elaborate, without today's technology, we would probably still be listening to records in mono, or having instruments panned onto one side and the other ala the Beatles! I think modern music technology just leads to more flexibility for the producer and musicians involved. I think about old piano recordings from Laura Nyro or Todd Rundgren, and the fidelity just can't compare to something even from the 80's or with American Spring. With old recordings, you get a lot of noise and compression due to bouncing from tape to vinyl/analog media. Digital music production has come a long way, and I firmly believe that the technology itself is not at fault for a lot of the overproduction that plagues many records today. To me, I specifically blame whoever mixes and masters the music, as it is typically mastered as loudly as possible in order to compare to specific frequencies of other contemporary songs.

I don't want to open that can of worms, but to me, to say that modern microphones or technology like Protools is to blame for some mediocre shlock of a production, I also think about some of Brian's better modern efforts like Lucky Old Sun, Gershwin, and Smile as examples of well-engineered works. The fidelity just doesn't compare!

As for auto-tune/pitch correction, etc. I also see double-tracking vocals as a form of pitch correction, so let's not put the blame on newer tech for that, when clearly, it was pioneered by the  himself!
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What do we really know about the late 60's- early 70's Murry Wilson? on: May 07, 2020, 03:18:38 AM
Not sure where to start...

Of the 50 or so songs Murry wrote or co-authored in his lifetime, very few were copywritten in the 70s. The bulk of his writing was in the 50s. The people working most frequently in music with Murry in the years near the end were Fred Vail and Rick Henn. Murry had cash, so he was cutting surprisingly well produced and performed demos (like The Snow one that came out recently). If he had songs he wanted to hawk, he paid for a good studio, good engineers, and good players to record them for him. He also wrote and cut more jingles than just the KFC one. Alan Boyd has indicated to me that the very last song Murry submitted for copyright (once in 1972, then again in 1973 for some reason) was a stab at a commercial jingle. I would love to get my hands on that for my upcoming Murry LP project.

All-in-all, what gets me most about Murry is he was writing songs off-and-on for 40 years. Only about 20 of the 50 compositions were ever recorded and released. Mostly he's remembered for The Many Moods instrumentals, but that was an anomaly. He wrote songs with lyrics mostly. 

What is your Murry LP project?  Do Tell!

I've recorded and am releasing new versions of 11 Murry penned tracks, mostly from the 50s, pre-Beach Boys. I've been researching this for years and with the help of some amazing fans, historians, archive personnel, former business associates of Murry's etc, I'm almost done. Of the 11 songs, super fans may be familiar with about 1/3 of them, although there are no Murry tracks that were popularized by The Beach Boys, Honeys, Sunrays, or from Many Moods. Some of the songs are so rare they were never copywritten or published (but I finally received all rights to release/licenses today). It will be out in a few months. Still have to master it and press. Will be a small run of 300 LPs. No digital sales or streaming (for a million reasons).

Like the Murry Christmas 7" I put out last December ( the players are all pro, the producers too, and the cover art will be by Peter Bagge again. This LP will be my third and last Murry release. It's been fun, but I simply cannot find any more songs. Even with all the help, most of his work has been destroyed, lost, and forgotten. 
Please keep me (us) posted on whenever this is available. I would like to buy this release.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 28, 2020, 05:13:31 PM
Here's a funny Brianism I found in an Q&A with Todd Rundgren:

"...when I met Brian he had no attention span. First thing he said when I got to his house was, “I have the new Roy Wood single!” And he would put it on and play 15 seconds of it. Then he took it off, ran over to the piano and started tinkling out something, and then 20 seconds after that he was off doing another thing."


Didn't know he was a fan of Roy Wood! Any other artists Brian is a fan of that is sort of left field?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favourite, least favourite, overrated, and underrated Beach Boys album on: April 17, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
Fav: Tied between Smile Sessions and Love You (Pet Sounds is in a close third, with MIU/Adult Child a distant 4th). Each of these albums are very off the wall in different ways. I love Brian's control on the production studio/vocals. There isn't anything else like it, and nothing since imo. Songs are instantly hummable imo, heck I'm doing a sheet music project on Love You, if that confirms my biases.

Least Fav: KTSA - the way the vocals are processed is so irritating to my ears. I just can't get past it... Songs are below average imo and better mixed on other sources (see When Girls Get Together), there are better scraps too (Brian's Phil Spector stuff, Dennis' Bambu stuff, even Mike's stuff left in the can are better material than what came out, besides Goin' On imo, unlike LA, I am not a fan of Bruce's soft production touches).

Underrated: Beach Boys (1985), I think it deserved a better chart placement/promotion. Imo, good songs, good balance of Bw input + band. Good singing, the band finally sounds youthful-ish again after the disaster that was KTSA... Can't stand the Culture Club production now, but there are good songs in there, especially Getcha Back (even tho it's a Springsteen rip off), Where I Belong, and Male Ego (which should have appeared on the main LP instead of hidden in the CD release... The band shouldn't have been kicked to the curb like they were after this album came out and dried up.

Overrated: Sunflower (I love schmaltzy songs, but Add Some Music just comes across as dentist waiting room music. It needed more of a hard edge like Surf's Up. Maybe it should have been a double album of Sunflower/Surf's Up, and put the whole package together as a double LP, especially since Sunflower completely bombed).

These are my thoughts as of today, things ebb and flow, much like the fortunes, legacies, and turbulence of this band.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If 15 Big Ones was a completely originals album on: April 16, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
Had we had an album like this, we wouldn't have gotten Love You.

Bc Rock and Roll Music was a Top 10 single. 15 Big Ones as we know has Brian's fingertips all over it; if it was a democratic album ala Holland or CaTP, then maybe Brian wouldn't have felt so confident to explore his creative urges (at the insistence of Landy). I don't think Brian would have felt the need to express himself, had he wasn't so represented/pressured after 15 Big Ones came out and he was shoved out on tour in '76.
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