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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs That Should’ve Been Hits on: March 27, 2019, 05:17:14 PM
“Marcella” from “In Concert” - It rocks much better than the studio version.

“It’s OK” - It should have been the first single from 15BO

“Time to Get Alone”

“All I Wanna Do” - Mike Love’s finest movie

“Where I Belong”

“From There to Back Again” - Best thing the band recorded since “Til I Die”.

“Soulful Old Man Sunshine”
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB albums sabotaged by one song on: March 27, 2019, 05:06:31 PM
“Here Comes the Night” from “Light Album”
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Calling on: March 01, 2019, 01:40:13 PM
“It’s Getting Late” > “Getcha Back”
“Back Where I Belong” > “She Believes in Love Again”

Carl’s material on this album is head shoulders above three rest.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: September 20, 2018, 10:03:09 PM
“Hanging Out on the Beach” - Beaver Brown

Brian gets a nod in the last verse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TTLUGItzaC4
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: songs written only by carl and dennis on: July 15, 2018, 10:11:07 PM
It is too bad, however, since they were both primarily composers who worked with lyricists they were not well matched. A more intriguing team would have been Dennis and Mike considering their collaboration on ‘Pacific Ocean Blues’ and ‘Only With You’.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who was the second best songwriter in the Beach Boys? on: July 12, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
If only he were more prolific - I would vote for Al. His songs have more of a Beach Boy vibe than Dennis or Carl’s did.

The quality of Carl’s writing depended on his collaborator. Unfortunately, MYrna Smith Shilling was my least favorite of his collaborators although Carl dominates the ‘85 album.

When Dennis was great he was great but many of his ballads sound almost dirge like to me.

When they were at their best I have trouble choosing between Carl, Al and Dennis.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: February 25, 2018, 07:08:23 PM
Back at n the USSR
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 17, 2018, 08:16:32 AM
In response to the bass player question...I don't think The Beach Boys have EVER had an above average bass player on stage. The fact that they found Bruce's bass playing acceptable in 1965 is enough proof of how little they cared about it. Now that being said, Brian Wilson has written some of the greatest bass lines to grace popular recordings...but that has nothing to do with the bass guitar as an instrument, that is purely based on harmony.

So in recent years? One certainly doesn't stand out over the other. The only virtuosic players to grace Mike's band in the past twenty years have been Totten & Cowsill. We'll never see Mike cast them aside. The operation would crumble instantly.

I disagree. The bass playing at the 1982 4th of July Queen Mary concert is perhaps the greatest bass playing in the history of the universe.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Christopher Cross could have filled for Carl on: January 08, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
Carl cared about the quality of the music. I find it hard to believe that he would have supported removing the second best singer in the band.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meet the new Beach Boy! on: December 04, 2017, 04:37:04 PM
No, not a new member. A Hip Hop artist who calls himself "Beach Boy". His tracks started showing up on Amazon searches for The Beach Boys last week and when you click on his name, it links you to albums by The Beach Boys. Very confusing.

https://www.amazon.com/Moonlight-Explicit-Beach-Boy/dp/B077MQBQ2N/ref=sr_1_2?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1512433771&sr=1-2-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0&keywords=beach+boy+hip+hop

A law suite we could all agree on
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did the beach boys do better than the beatles? on: December 04, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
The Beach Boys sang better than the Beatles.

John, Paul and George wrote better lyrics then any of The Beach Boys.

In 1965and 1966 when both Bands were at their creative peak The Beach Boys peak was higher than that of the Beatles.

The Beach Boys sang ballads and harmony better than Bech Boys.  But on the rockers both John and Paul out sang any and all of the Boys including Carl.

At his best Brian and his collaborators wrote lyrics that matched or surpassed the best of the Beatles' lyrics.  But at his worst Brian and the other writers in The Beach Boys outstank any Beatles lyric by a wide margin.

I would further stipulate that as self contained units the Beatles were a better band than The Beach Boys.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did the beach boys do better than the beatles? on: December 04, 2017, 09:48:36 AM
The Beach Boys sang better than the Beatles.

John, Paul and George wrote better lyrics then any of The Beach Boys.

In 1965and 1966 when both Bands were at their creative peak The Beach Boys peak was higher than that of the Beatles.

"Rubber Soul" is front to back (US or UK version) stronger than any '65 BB album. I'd put "Help" up against either as well. The highs of the BB albums are right up there with the Beatles. But as *albums*, there's still more lows/fillers on BB albums. It's once again why I posit than PS is amazing more than anything not due to some unifying feeling or theme, but because they're simply *all* great songs. Though "Revolver" is its equal and I'd say probably better.

Not a dis against the Beatles. I agree that as an album Help is better in total than the B.B. albums in total, however, my point remains. The peaks of The Beach Boys we’re higher than that of Beatles. I would just point to, for example, the intro to “California Girls”.

With regard to PS versus Revolver or Rubber Soul it gets down to a matter of opinion. I believe that PS is a greater artistic achievement but that is me. I think to that one our must add Good Vibrations and even the unreleased SMiLE stuff - Brian was operating on a different plain than anybody else.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did the beach boys do better than the beatles? on: December 03, 2017, 06:28:22 AM
The Beach Boys sang better than the Beatles.

John, Paul and George wrote better lyrics then any of The Beach Boys.

In 1965and 1966 when both Bands were at their creative peak The Beach Boys peak was higher than that of the Beatles.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: On first seeing the back cover of Holland on: November 30, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
I always thought that Al wrote the lyrics for CS-Beaks and CS-California.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Identifying BBs voices in the pre-internet era on: November 30, 2017, 04:50:12 PM
I think it's cool that the 5 main Beach Boys each sang lead on at least one hit single.
   6, if you count Blondie and Sail on sailor being a minor hit.



And not many of the great bands could make that claim. Certainly all 4 Beatles sang lead on at least 1 hit. But other than that you have to go, perhaps, Chicago?

The Beach Boys had 5 members sing at least one top 40 hit. If you include the Hot 100 that becomes 6.

Other groups with more than two members singing a top forty song would include:

The Beatles 4 (all original members)
The Eagles 4 (1 replacement)
Fleetwood Mac 3
The Temptations 3?
Chicago 3
CSN&Y 3
Doobie Brothers 3 (1 non-original)

That’s all I️ can think of for now.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lyrics written 100% by Brian on: October 29, 2017, 07:04:37 PM
What about:
Roller Skating Child
Mona
Johnny Carson
Honkin’ Down the Highway
Solar System
The Night Was So Young
I’ll Bet He’s Nice
Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
I Wanna Pick You Up
Airplane
Love Is A Woman
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: could Carl and Dennis have gone the Gouldman and Stewart route? on: October 07, 2017, 08:41:10 PM
Dennis was not disciplined enough for a solo career.

Imagine POB as  Carl/Dennis collaboration released in 1975.

It would,have been a great side project.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 07, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
BRI won’t sue because this will not generate enough revenue to warrant a suit.

Crap like this (the remakes) more sad than anything else. Mike does have an admirable legacy but his quest to be put on par with BW makes him a modern day Salieri.

As for the press release. Was it written by the same person who called ‘Endless Summer’ a Mike Love inspired concept album?

Mike was neither “the lead vocalist” nor the “chief lyricist” of The Beach Boys.

A less kind person would point out that when Brian felt there was something important to say lyrically or to be sung he would opt for someone’s other than Mike Love for the lyrics or lead vocals.

I would be remiss if I did not point out that the least interesting component of a song co-written (certainly after 1963) or sung by Mike Love were Mike Love’s contributions.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 07, 2017, 08:01:29 PM

What store is actually going to carry this? I don't see physical copies of this existing anywhere beyond his website and Amazon.

Well, I have yet to se an actual physical copy of Sunshine Tomorrow in any record store or department yet, and I've been in quite a few.  Surprisingly so, I might add....

As for the re-records, well Brian's "Smile" (more like a faux-Smile to me) album was basically a re-record job.  No I don't care much for those, regardless of which BB does it.  But the first disk of this set appears to be a rather useful compendium of many unofficially released tracks in one spot.  Having said that, I doubt I buy it.  Just too much old stuff, previously released or not....

I can’t resist because BWPS, even with its imperfections (primarily that there is only one BB on it), is my favorite album.

BWPS is SmILE because Brian said it was.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
Has anyone asked Mike about his contributions to "We Got Love?"  I presume lyrics but that's another Blondie/Ricky song.

I have a vague recollection that Mike was asked about the song in an interview in the last few years (perhaps the "Holland" themed issue of ESQ?) and he didn't have any specific recollection of what he added. I don't think he claimed he didn't contribute. Rather, he just didn't have any specific recollections on that one.

And I would like to add that Mikes neglect of those years is too bad because they include some of his very best work.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 09:25:49 PM
I would presume that the Chaplin/Faartar era of The Beach Boys might be Mike's least favorite era. On stage Carl was front and center (Carl was in the middle).

The Stamos produced Mike movie seems to go straight from Brian cracking up to Endless Summer with nothing between.

To,a large extent, Mike seems to have blocked out the years from 1968 through 1973.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 09:09:23 PM

I was always surprised that, when Carl and Al departed, Mike didn't push Bruce a bit more to the fore for the live shows, if only to remind people more that a long-time member was still there. Why they haven't at least had Bruce singing "Disney Girls" at *every* show instead of random shows here and there, I can't fathom.


Because 95% of the attendees at a Mike show have no idea what "Disney Girls" is.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't F**k With the Formula on: June 17, 2017, 09:48:29 PM
One of the key points in all this has been and will always be that Mike thinks he should be thought of as the "leader" of the band and all tangential issues around the band. So it's not only the formula, but trying to elevate one's self to a level where the so-called "formula" can be both defined and dictated in terms of following it or not fucking with it. Murry became the same way after the records really started to sell nationally, it was going overboard trying to project a facade of leadership rather than actually leading.

What cracks me up, and relates to this "formula" stuff, is a story Hal Blaine told about working with Lawrence Welk. Murry was apparently always on Brian's ass about how he should cut cleaner sounding records, like Welk. And in the meantime, Lawrence Welk himself according to Blaine who played sessions for him, was trying to get those newer sounds that Brian was recording and producing and selling by the truckload, mostly at Western.

It's too bad Brian had to deal with multiple "leaders" whose egos far outweighed their actual leadership qualities.

As I look at it, a lot of this conflict is less about Mike "wanting to be the leader" and more about Brian absolutely not wanting to be the leader of "Beach Boys Proper" as years went on.  In that sense, if you were Mike, how would you behave?  You would probably think that you were a very good choice to fill whatever vacuum that Brian started leaving as the 60s went on.  (which is obviously very arguable)

Also, I always viewed "the formula" as being less about specific notions like writing surf/girl hits, and more as an abstract concept of how Mike viewed their band "organically" and how they always went about their business throughout the early and mid-60s. 

I wish they would have just given Brian the space to be a solo artist in the late 60s while throwing the BBs some songs for their albums each year, and let Mike and whoever horse around with the name and a touring band in the same manner that he does nowadays.  Then again I also wish they would have spun off a part-time power trio called Wilson. 

I agree with some of this. I DO think Mike viewed himself (and probably still does) as something like the co-captain of The Beach Boys along with Brian: a kind of rock and roll George and Ira Gershwin. Obviously Brian did not see it that way...and I have to wonder if Brian felt too intimidated to just come right out and say that to Mike. I don't mean intimidated just by Mike but by the rest of his family, the band, etc. (you've got that whole Love family vs Wilson family competitiveness going on in the background. It would have made family gatherings unbearably awkward that's for sure).
I think some pretense was kept up that Mike was Brian's main collaborator when that was clearly no longer the case, possibly as a way to placate Mike and/or placate the family. In a way, that continued into the 70's by which time Brian and Mike were almost like entirely different people and could never recapture what they had in the early 60's. When they tried to duplicate past victories, it never came close. Pleasant but never the same. 

And I also would've liked the Wilsons to have formed a power trio or at least have seen Dennis have a stint in another band where he could've flexed his songwriting muscle a little more.

Actually, I think that from Brian's withdrawal until around 1976 Carl was acknowledged as the leader of the  Beach Boys.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs By Otrher Acts That Quote Beach Boys Lyrics on: May 26, 2017, 03:38:32 PM
Beaver Brown - 'Wild Summer Nights' - "let those lake pipes roar"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9AIRYwQRvB4
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian interview 4/25 on: April 28, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
I wish Brian would do an album where he applies his magic touch to Bob Dylan songs. Beach Boys Party would obviously be the template for "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35". "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Positively 4th Street" could get the full Wrecking Crew treatment. Al would sound great singing "Blowin' in the Wind", and "Every Grain of Sand" seems to be a perfect song for Brian's mature voice.

Only if P4S is dedicated to Mike Love.
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