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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Our Favorite Album Tracks on: June 13, 2021, 07:24:24 AM
I believe Kiss Me Baby and Let Him Run Wild we B-sides. If not, they should be on there.

We'll Run Away
I'm So Young
All the non-singles on Pet Sounds
Here Comes The Night (original version)
Be With Me
Time to Get Alone
All I Wanna Do
Leaving This Town
The Night Was So Young
I'll Bet He's Nice
My Diane

Solo:
Rainbows
There's So Many
Where Has Love Gone
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What do we really know about the late 60's- early 70's Murry Wilson? on: May 11, 2021, 09:04:10 PM
One thing that I wondered about, is how much Murry Wilson and Joe Jackson knew about each other. I'm going to assume that during Murry's lifetime, Joe Jackson and the extent of his abuse towards his children was not public knowledge, but I don't really know. It's a remarkable what a similar trajectory both of those showbiz parents tragically took with their kids.

And Bud Cowsill was probably worse than both of them.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits? on: March 21, 2021, 01:40:01 PM
Mike may not have been 100 percent onboard for Pet Sounds, but he sang his heart out on it. That's Not Me and Here Today are great, and as much as I love Brian and his voice, I prefer WIBN with Mike singing the bridge, not Brian.

His bass vocal is great on a lot of songs, but All Dressed Up for School may be the best. For a lead vocal "snippet," I always liked his part on Breakaway.

For lyrics, Good Vibrations is great, and of course I have to go with Sound of Free. :-)
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 07, 2021, 01:47:14 PM
I know it's just a movie, but I think of "The Manchurian Candidate." Even after Frank Sinatra finds out he's been brainwashed and realized he never particularly liked Raymond Shaw, he says there's STILL a part of him that thinks, "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

It's hard to get over brainwashing easily, especially for the number of years it went on with Landy and all the medications the evil doctor used to reinforce it. So even after Brian was "freed," there was probably still some Landy in his brain, so he might have believed the things Landy said -- like all Carl cared about was whether Brian could write and produce hits.

For Carl's part, logically he probably knew that when Brian said bad things about him they were Landy's words, but they still had to hurt coming out of the mouth of his brother -- a brother who he had to go and rescue several times. Those bad feelings probably carried over into the abortive 1995 sessions.

I think time would have healed most of those wounds, but unfortunately Carl didn't have enough time.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: February 19, 2021, 07:17:18 PM







I love the top photo is that's is Carl clowning around onstage and not Dennis.

The second one shows how complicated the family dynamic could be and later got. I remember in the Timothy White book where White described accompanying Brian to the studio and walked in on Dennis having a pleasant conversation with Mike and Stan, telling them how much he enjoyed seeing "The Wiz" in New York,
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson Barry Gibb Instagram Exchange on: February 17, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
That's great. I hope Brian did write it.

The recent Bee Gees documentary was very good. I was hoping Brian would be in it. No one in the world could emphasize more with Barry, singing amazing harmony with your brothers and having them predecease you even though you're the oldest.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: December 22, 2020, 05:16:27 PM
1. Monterey Pop. If only someone had been able to convince them to ditch the striped shirts, play "Pet Sounds" tracks, "Good Vibrations" and tease "Heroes and Villains." A good reception there might have gotten to finish "Smile" -- and kept the group cool in the eyes of the general public.

2. Releasing "Breakaway" and "Celebrate the News" for Capitol. With the relationship shot, Capitol wasn't going to promote it. They should have given them "We're Together Again" and another track for the B-side and saved those two gems for the new album. Maybe Fred Vail is able to get this one on the radio, and replacing "Got to Know the Woman" and either "At My Window" with "Breakaway" and "CTN" turns "Sunflower" into an all-time classic.

3. So many oldies on "15 Big Ones." When the concept of a double-album of oldies and originals died, they should have scrapped most of the oldies, saving them for B-sides and maybe to sprinkle one or two on each successive album. Replace some of them with tracks already done like "San Miguel," "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" and "Loop de Loop," which were done or almost done, would have made them seem like less of an oldies act. (Sure, those songs had been recorded years earlier, but in the pre-internet days, very few people would have known).

4. Disco version of "Here Comes the Night." I don't think the Beach Boys should have been doing disco at all, but even so, they were far too late. Take off that 10 minutes and replace them with a finished "California Feeling" and a couple of those in No. 3, and L.A. is a solid debut for CBS.

5. The 1995 reunion falling apart. Many of us have wondered how Carl could sing on "Summer in Paradise" but think the Wilson-Paley material was too weak.

8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys trying to sack Bruce around Sunflower on: August 16, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
I think you mean Bruce on the last point

Yep. It's fixed now. :-)
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys trying to sack Bruce around Sunflower on: August 15, 2020, 03:41:59 PM
I think the guys' relationship with Bruce, like everything else, is complicated. Obviously there were troubles, but also positives.

Brian clearly liked Bruce's voice, since he made it prominent on three of the key songs they recorded in Bruce's first year with the band, "California Girls," "The Little Girl I Once Knew" and "God Only Knows." And he also sang lead on the Brian-Al "At My Window."

Bruce and Dennis may have had issues, but Bruce taught Dennis to play piano (or expanded on the training Audree had given him). He also sang on "End of the Show." And in live shows, when Dennis would sing "You Are So Beautiful," it was Dennis playing the piano, when Mike Meros could have easily done it.

And while Bruce was anti-drugs, he's there smiling with the three Wilson brothers at the "Love You" release party when he wasn't even in the band.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston on virus quarantine, 60th Anniversary rumors and lots more on: June 18, 2020, 06:57:39 PM
People on this board who've encountered Bruce who say sometimes he's not nice, and sometimes he's great. He was great here.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'm So Young - Production analysis video on: June 18, 2020, 06:24:48 PM
Nice video.

I really enjoy "I'm So Young," but it seemed to me that earlier Brian had written his own version of the song with "We'll Run Away," about being too young to get married.

"We'll Run Away" is one of my favorites, by the way,
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian sings Happy Birthday for Nancy Sinatra on: June 08, 2020, 07:11:12 PM
Wow he sounded great!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If 15 Big Ones was a completely originals album on: April 18, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Maybe Soulful Old Man Sunshine (with a minor vocal tweak) to replace one of the songs?  I've been working on alternate albums for the time being as well.  My (still WIP) version of 15 Big Ones still uses both covers and originals but makes some changes here and there.

I agree. I've thought if they wanted to keep it at 15, they could have dumped two or three covers (any except Rock and Roll Music, which they needed to be a single, and Just Once in Life) and put on Soulful, Loop De Loop and San Miguel.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Maureen Love Information? on: March 31, 2020, 07:17:52 AM
Here's a nice photo of Maureen and Brian in 2016.

https://www.facebook.com/ESQ.Editor/posts/10154550311832487
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TRAINWRECKORDS: Summer In Paradise on: March 23, 2020, 08:48:15 AM
Live every artist's catalogue, the Boys have quite a few duds in theirs too. But the bottom of the barrel has got to be Summer Of Love. I still cringe when I think why Carl allowed that mess to be released to the public!

But he didn't want to work on Brian's songs in 1995 because he didn't think they were good enough. Amazing.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian’s voice at its absolute roughest on: March 09, 2020, 05:13:43 PM
Sad to see Carl in rough shape, too. He wipes his nose with his hand then looks at his hand. I'm not sure if he's looking for blood or cocaine.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Rare 1977 Interview on: February 13, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
Thank you so much for this.  Really fascinating.  Brian's speaking voice almost sounds like it did in the 60s.  This must have been during the period where he lost some weight, got healthier, and perhaps gained a little of his voice back (thinking about Matchpoint and that tape of the group singing "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" at the CBS Convention).

It seems like he was doing well under his post-Landy psychologist, Dr. Steve Schwartz until Schwartz died in a rock-climbing accident. I wonder what would have happened if Schwartz had lived.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 03, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
This would be the same Mike Love who didn't want to play Monterey Pop because Coke was one of the sponsors.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could go any Beach Boy concert in history on: October 19, 2019, 07:51:52 PM
Honestly, I would do anything to be able to go back in time and see Carl live.  Preferably in the late 60s or early 70s but honestly, anytime, anyplace.  My biggest Beach Boys regret is that I never saw him perform.  

That's my biggest regret, too. I wish I had seen Dennis, but he died when I was 19 and I was just a casual fan. I didn't become a hard-core fan until the first set of two-fers came out in 1990. But as I became a hard-core fan I also became a dumb snob who didn't want to see Mike prance around. And so I never saw Carl. And when I did see Mike, at C50 in 2012, he was great -- as was the whole band.

I have a clear choice, but first here are some runners-up, many of which have been mentioned.

-- A 1963 Carl, Dennis, Mike, Dave and Al show to document that brief period.

-- A 1964 show with Brian in his prime. That Australian "What I Say" show someone mentioned sounds like a great concert, and I'd love top see Australia.

-- The "Good Vibrations" debut in Michigan with Brian watching from the wings.

-- The 1970 Whiskey A Go-Go show when Brian got on stage.

-- Carnegie Hall in 1972.

-- 1980 Knebworth. They were great, and Dennis being back added so much.

-- Someone on the road crew (I think) told a story of a 1983 show when Brian was playing one of his first shows back and Dennis sang (at least part of) "He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother' to him. If that happened, I would have loved to have seen that.

But my choice would have to be this one. The Boys kicked ass, and boy was there more to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsT6BsU9NX8
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any photos of So Tough full lineup? Carl, Al,Brian,Dennis, Ricky,Blondie, Mike? on: October 14, 2019, 07:28:57 PM


Al looks like he might not have been keeping it clean here.  Grin
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 26, 2019, 08:40:24 PM
The Beach Boys have some great lyrics and some bad lyrics, but the one that REALLY bugs me is "Christmas comes this time each year." Yeah, no sh*t, Sherlock. I love "Little Saint Nick," but that part could have easily had a lyric to fit that melody line, like "Christmas is my favorite time" or "Christmas time is gettin' close" or "I'm so glad it's Christmas time" or "How I love this time of year" or something that takes four seconds to write, like it just did for me.

And so this isn't taken as a just "bash Mike" post, "I don't know where but she sends me there" may be my favorite Beach Boys lyric, and, in a differing opinion from another person in this post, I really like his vocal on "That's Not Me."

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sweet Mountain (1974) on: July 14, 2019, 09:01:18 PM
Too bad Big Sur had already been out at that point because the outtake version would’ve fit very well in this lineup

Didn't stop Elton John with Grey Seal.

Or the Boys with Help Me Ronda and Help Me Rhonda. :-)
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2014 Ernie Knapp Interview (1981-82 Beach Boys Touring Bass Player) on: June 10, 2019, 02:55:35 PM
I've never known Brian to play anything other than bass guitar or piano/keyboards during a concert.

In the early days, when it was just the five of them, didn't Brian play drums when the hard-working drummer came up to sing The Wanderer?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian postponing tour the day before it starts. on: June 06, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
I have enough great memories of seeing Brian onstage and music that he made to carry me through the rest of my life.

I hope will all my heart that Brian enjoys the rest of HIS life -- and realizes all the love he has earned and all the joy he's brought to the world.

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: June 02, 2019, 08:32:49 PM
Looks like the Internet Wayback Machine has the two 1982 Candlestick clips archived. It took a bit of work to get to these direct links, but these should work:

https://web.archive.org//web/20160609154927im_/http://footage.framepool.com/mov/414-114-139.mp4

https://web.archive.org//web/20160519154256im_/http://footage.framepool.com/mov/368-508-390.mp4
Thank you so much!  Grin Dennis looked pretty good, considering the time period.

Now if only somebody could re-upload the 8mm footage of the 1982 Allentown show. Brian's condition was quite shocking, to put it mildly.

I thought the same thing about Dennis.

And thanks to the uploader, too.
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