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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES on: January 08, 2019, 07:02:05 AM
This ran in my nationally syndicated feed this morning. . .

BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES - (01/08/2019)
by Howie Edelson


Beach Boys fans are still counting their blessings for the massive amount of material the band released at the end of December with three digital-only collections featuring a treasure trove of unreleased music. The studio and live sets were issued to exert ownership over unreleased tracks, which due to copyright laws, would fall into public domain if not officially released by their 50-year mark. The two new studio sets -- 1968 - Wake The World: The 'Friends' Sessions and 1968 and I Can Hear Music: The '20/20' Sessions, collectively feature a whopping 72 tracks spread over two-and-a-half hours.

In addition to that, the band also dropped the colossal 114-track live collection, The Beach Boys On Tour: 1968 (Live). The set features mono soundboards from the band's summer '68 shows in Chicago, Illinois; Fargo, North Dakota; Waterloo, Iowa; Lincoln, Nebraska; Phoenix, Arizona; and three professionally recorded multi-track concerts from that December in London.

Grammy Award-winning producers Mark Linett and Alan Boyd once again compiled the sets and burrowed deep into the vaults to curate an alternate history spotlighting Brian Wilson's last moments as the Beach Boys' primary driving force and the ascension of Dennis Wilson as a groundbreaking and world class songwriter and producer.

Once the project was green-lit, Alan Boyd explained that due to the care and diligence shown to the band's archives over the years, they knew exactly where to look for the key material needed for the collection: "These projects were done under a fairly tight deadline and we had a lot of live material to pile through. It took us quite a while just to sort out all of the London, UK Live In London tapes. We'd researched this (studio) material long ago. We had done preservation transfers and rough reference mixes of everything. The choices were fairly easy on this one."

Mark Linett explained that following the early-'68 sessions for Friends, Brian Wilson's role in the Beach Boys changed significantly: "Everybody had to step up, because Brian -- either consciously or unconsciously -- was not going to assume the same role that he had all the way up through Friends. I think this set tends to dispel the myth that after Smile, y'know, Brian wasn't really producing and then the band stepped up. He's clearly working much more like he used to, but by the time of 20/20, both songwriting-wise and production-wise and out of necessity, y'know, everybody else had to get more involved. And Dennis -- more than anybody -- seemed ready as a writer and a performer to do that."

Alan Boyd shed light on where exactly the Beach Boys were in terms of getting product onto the market at the tail-end of the 1960's: "By that point in time, the Beach Boys were already way behind their contractual obligations with Capitol. Y'know, from because of the delay from Smile -- and it was a year-and-half between Pet Sounds and Smiley Smile. They had to have product in. They were under some serious deadlines, and you can feel that, particularly on something like 20/20 where there is this intense burst of activity in, like, the last couple of weeks where the Beach Boys are between tours, they've gotta turn this thing in before they hit the road. And I have the impression too, that with Friends, there were deadlines, the group had to go back out on tour. Brian continued working on that album and even basically finished it off while the other guys were out on the road."

Mark Linett admitted that he's still amazed at the amount of quality tracks the Beach Boys left in their wake with each and every studio album they recorded: "They selected what they thought was best and what they wanted to use and then just moved on. I think a lot of it just got forgotten. I've always said that the Beach Boys left more great material behind and on the cutting room floor, as it were, (laughs) than most bands, y'know, put on their records -- which is why we can do some of these things."
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 03, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Not all. . .
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 01, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Billy -- As it stands THIS week, the "I'm Confessin'"/"You're As Cool As Can Be" segments along with DW's "Well You Know I Knew" and "'Gong' session" are the ones that are killing me. But it's all major and along with the MASSIVE live component also coming, nobody will be pissed off about and/or second guessing the copyright drop this Xmas.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 30, 2018, 11:59:16 AM
Although Townshend and McCartney have some incredible works that still remain long unreleased, you really couldn't say they trump the contemporary released product. The sheer QUALITY of BB's material, and we're talking songs from demo to master -- all the layers -- to my knowledge (and I've done deep dives through more than a few band vaults) is unprecedented. No other band has what they have. You look at major AOR artists -- Elton, The Band, The Eagles -- there's NOTHING there. In some cases they were stretching just to get enough material to fill an LP. TONS of filler.

Personally, if I owned these masters, I would do a 15-25 disc DUMP of all of this unreleased (1968-1978) material. Redefine the market like the BOOTLEG SERIES did in '91. There wouldn't be a single music rag, blog, or website that wouldn't automatically give it ANTHOLOGY-like press. You wouldn't have to read about BB's music in expensive fan publications. Real press would EAT IT UP. Film and TV placements would follow, moving the narrative past the tents, bedroom years, and shitt ily written Christmas tour articles. With so little effort, EVERYTHING could change.

EVERYTHING.
And all because of outtakes.

PR TAGLINE: "WHAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER BEATLES? Guess what -- There WAS."
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 28, 2018, 02:59:39 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout. Sans a few instances where you can pick up a decidedly Bacharach vibe -- this music is pure Brian. He was going somewhere pretty unique before the "pause." On the other hand, the Dennis music -- and there is A LOT of it -- shows him blossoming in real time, feeling his way through. REALLY powerful stuff -- also devoid of any contemporary influences. Eerily, this music feels very modern. The overriding feeling I get is akin to when McCartney caught up to Lennon at Rubber Soul and Revolver. This BB period has two leaders pretty much creating a quality of work that's neck and neck with each other. It's arguably the one and only time it went down like this. I'm blown away by this stuff, probably more so than I was by the '67 stash.
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 17, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Get very psyched.
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 14, 2018, 09:15:37 AM
Guys --

I swear by this book.
An embarrassment of riches.
Don't wait until it's too late and you have to drop $200 on eBay (and that will DEFINITELY be the case sooner than later.)

This s hit is everything you want.

Trust me.
H.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: May 30, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
I was told by more than one member that apart from being a friend, the main allure of Terry Melcher at that time was being able to place the band in very lucrative movie projects.
The BB's got exposure and a nice payday.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 16, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Slightly off track -- I'd say we're about 5 years aware from The Beatles 1970-1975 solo tracks being packaged together in some type of comp under the "BEATLES" brand.

60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 15, 2018, 07:13:37 PM
There is so much in those vaults -- so much A-quality brilliant work, just laying there only getting MORE unheard and MORE unreleased.

This isn't simply alternate takes of "Sexy Sadie" or "Racing In The Street" with different lyrics: this is MAJOR S HIT. Important work. Art that changes the story. Art that will inspire more and NEW art.

Paying the proper attention to issuing this unheard music -- studio and live -- should be the primary goal for all involved.  
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 15, 2018, 06:31:14 PM
So you think a "NEW" album is the way to go out with a bang?
You seem to think that a new album would be/mean more than TWGMTR / NPP / UNLEASH.

It would be EXACTLY that.
Those are the bangs.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 14, 2018, 12:35:52 PM
Everything Jude said is right.

2012 was a beautiful fluke.

The ultimate fact is that. . .

The vault is the reunion.
The vault is the star.
The vault is the future.


Whatever else happens -- be it joint promotional events, outsourced musical products -- it's what's in those vaults that MATTERS.
Everything else is everything else.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 05, 2018, 04:44:58 PM
Mods???
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 05, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
What a relief!!!

The adult male who posts THOUSANDS of times on a message board using numerous aliases assures me, he's only stalking/collecting photos of ME -- and NOT my small children.
Whew!!!

Tommy -- or whatever your name is -- stop PM-ing me.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 02, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
I'm saying "who are YOU???" -- because you're admonishing me as if you KNOW me.

You should've read that as:

1. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. Don't compare me with Donald Trump.
3. Don't comment on my appearance to make a point (are you checking out pics of my kids TOO???)

2800 posts and you don't know how to discuss this like an adult and keep it on the up and up???


66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 02, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
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67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 02, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Also regarding the Jan & Dean show -- although not publicly marketed as such -- was a Beach Boys cover act. As was Papa and now the Endless Summer whatever. Perfect for corporate gigs and low-scale fundraisers (I saw Jan & Dean in, I think 2001, in the parking lot at Glendale Hospital. Jan performed, slumped, sitting on a hard metal folding chair with a spilled full can of Diet Rite at his velcroed orthopedic shoes.)

You want the Beach Boys but can only pay #4,450 -- here ya go. Like a farm league. I was always amazed that BRI never flexed its muscles with Dean regarding someone else touring, what is essentially, the Beach Boys' act.

Although there were a handful of obese men holding J&D magazines and 45's, the vast majority of the (maybe 100) people probably walked away from that parking lot gig saying "The Beach Boys were dynamite!" and then completely forgot the entire event ever happened.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 01, 2018, 06:16:19 PM
Jan & Dean was a NOVELTY act.
Bad shtick.

Amateur hour on every level.

Look at this.
If this gets you guys off, and doesn't embarrass you, nothing I can say is gonna sway you.
Where I come from we call this lame.

This is dummy pop and a rip-off of like 9 songs and getting it ALL wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4TAwggSKU

69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 01, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
Yep.

Put the "Wrecking Crew" in Brian Wilson's hands and you get majesty.
With Jock Jan they never didn't sound like 51-year-olds playing in a gym, dressed like bio teachers with horned-rims, slacks, and a mortgage in North Hollywood.

This is a true story: YEARS ago somebody played me that "You Really Know How To Hurt A Guy" tune. It was so bad that I immediately thought it was done POST-accident. I said, "Wow, for someone who was in a coma for, like two months, this is pretty good!" Then the guy had to explain it was from BEFORE the accident -- (y'know, the same period as all those brilliant competitive singles PACKED with love from John Sebastian, The Rascals, Simon & Garfunkel, Mamas & The Papas, The Association, etc.)
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 01, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
I also want to add this in response to Jan Berry's work and career. Jan Berry was a dude who was able to work the system and charm his way into deals -- because as spelled out so succinctly by Guitarfool -- the non-Wilson product was in no way enough to land him much of anything -- but his charisma was. A great looking rich kid who got into the system before everybody figured out what the f uck was going on. The old guard probably thought he was the epitome of hip. I think his accident and brain damage enabled him in some ways to save face, because in light of all the massive musical events and shifts of 1967, his career would've ended up EXACTLY as it did. This way the fact that NOBODY was thinking of Jan & Dean as anything other than a punchline, could be blamed on his maladies rather than his (and Dean's) lack of talent. Sure, this guy could (supposedly) notate on a page, but the music was devoid of magic or commercial appeal (and not because he was so ahead of his time -- it always sounded physically "written" rather than felt, composed, and then transposed.)


This guy belonged in the black and white '50s. There was no place for Jan Berry in color.


71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 01, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
I'll be the first to tell you: "Anaheim, Azusa And Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review And Timing Association" by Jan & Dean is not one of the most exhilarating backing tracks I've ever heard.

Lousy, dork, conservative, '60s variety TV music.
I'm amazed (every time) that this dung is even mentioned in the same breath as The Beach Boys & Wilson-Love music.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: February 28, 2018, 02:27:35 PM
You didn't have to look at NASCAR.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: February 28, 2018, 02:21:18 PM
That '98 clip is horrific.
LITERALLY the last thing that could/should/would be considered cool by cool people.

I'd even go so far as to say, that's EXACTLY how you ruin a brand.
I'm glad things shaped up because that could be as lame as this thing ever got.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: February 28, 2018, 06:20:01 AM
Nailed it, Jude.

The Beach Boys had only ONE peer -- The Beatles.
To rate the idiocy of Carnival Of Sound to, say, REVOLVER is absurd.

I'm not saying DON'T listen to Jan & Dean's dork rock comedy LP's, but seriously -- go get high, have sex, CREATE something.
Or just listen to BRIAN WILSON and leave the novelty stuff to the out-of-touch 8-year-olds in 1964.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: February 27, 2018, 01:48:11 PM
That reminds me of being at a party years ago, and somebody asked a friend of mine -- "Hey do you listen to Jan & Dean?" and my buddy said, "Nah, but believe me, I listen to plenty of OTHER shitty music."
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