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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 25, 2006, 04:11:18 PM
Charls, PLEASE ban this guy.
I'll make u breakfast in bed for a week.
And ill make you breakfast in bed..
27  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums Listened To Today on: February 23, 2006, 04:10:40 AM
What think you of Bjork Ian? I think you mentioned once that you went to see her in concert?
28  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums Listened To Today on: February 22, 2006, 11:21:12 PM

29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boy Blunders... on: February 20, 2006, 05:10:41 AM
Old post from me, from the old board:

The thing is, it's only in the last year that I have realised the amount of sadness and anger myself and others had connected with the old session material. Even the most cursory listen would lead to question after question,second-guesswork and resentment towards the other BB's, Brian himself, VDP etc. etc for allowing SMiLE to not happen. The experience of the last year has provided, for many, the exact opposite: answers,closure,joy,understanding from nonbelievers and loved ones,praise,acclaim etc. So for some of us I think listening to the old stuff brings up bad feelings not unlike the ones Bri himself associated with the material. Also in some ways I feel SMiLE to be not unlike the main character in Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five: unstuck in time, slipping into a vortex, only to reappear many years later virtually unchanged into a completely different time and context.
It's like poetic justice. My generation that loves the music of the '60's so much have almost cursed our late birth because we crave the firsthand knowledge of these great works. What it must have been like to pick up Pet Sounds,Revolver, Aftermath etc on the day of release!! So it seems to me that the great gift to us for keeping the faith and shining so much light on these supposedly disposable pop cultural artifacts is that the actual greatest work of it's time gets delivered to not it's intended audience, who were already suffering such an embarassment of cultural riches, but to us in these spiritually bereft times,who need it so much more and appreciate it fully.
Just a thought.
Yep, that just about sums it up, how about you doing an essay centering on these thoughts?
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 20, 2006, 02:37:35 AM
Wow, 37 pages? I haven't read them, but let me comment on the album: I can't stand it.

Why is that? Because I compare it with Smile or Pet Sounds? Because the low production values ruin it? Because it reeks of sabotage? Maybe these points play some role. But I love Wild Honey, Friends and 20/20, and the same could be said about those.

Good Vibrations doesn't belong on this album, it was released one year before. Heroes And Villains is still a great song, even in this edited version, but once I heard all the alternate sections, I can't really enjoy this mix anymore. With Me Tonight is a nice tune, but I prefer all three other versions. Fall Breaks is a minor favorite of mine, but it's not exactly full of variety. And Whistle In is a promising snippet, one of the highlights.

I have talked about Gettin' Hungry before, but boy, how annoying is that one. Every milli-second of it. Easily the worst recorded two minutes of Beach Boys from the 1960s. My last description was "something I could write within two minutes if I were drunk". Yes, still fitting.

The Smile leftovers Wonderful, Vegetables and Wind Chimes are very frustrating, since they intentionally play the sincerity and effort of the older recordings down. Yes, there is the lovely "whispering winds" section, but mixed so low that you have to turn up your stereo so loud only to be shocked by...see last paragraph. Carl's lead vocal on Wonderful can only be understood in an ironic way, along the lines "this is a beautiful melody, so I will sing it as bad and as uninterested as possible."

Little Pad and She's Going Bald are typical effects of drugs. Hillarious when you are stoned (and in the studio during the recording and mixing), but dull when you are sober. I don't have any problem with music created under the influence of drugs, but the result should be enjoyable without the help of them.

I gave it two points, mainly for Fall Breaks and Whistle In and the acceptable With Me Tonight.

Every reason you state for disliking it is exactly why I love it..  Smiley

37 pages is definitely an impressive number.. a sign that like all the best art it divides opinion among those that claim authoritive knowledge on the subject of musical expression.. it's still just as subversive and beautifully ugly as it ever was as shown by the strong reaction it gets from most everyone, whether they love it or otherwise there is no doubt that it causes a need to express the feelings that it stirs up.
31  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums Listened To Today on: February 12, 2006, 10:11:46 AM
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32  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: brian wilson smile in boston on: February 12, 2006, 09:44:30 AM
Prince to Blame for the non-appearance of famed 'SM!LE' album

It was reported yesterday in a press conference with Brian Wilson that the real reason that he canned the SMiLE sessions all those years ago, was mainly to do with the pervading sexual appearance of Prince Nelson and the Revolution at Danny Hutton's house during massive acid freak outs. Brian said of the incidents,

"I used to eat a lot of acid and chocolate and drink some tea and then fall asleep, and then Prince would come into my dreams and say to me, 'Do You Wanna Play With Fire boy?', so I got superstitious about the music we were making at the time, we'd tapped into something supernatural, so I canned it and burned the tapes." 

Music scholars have doubted Wilson's memory of the incidents, claiming mainly that it was impossible mainly because of Prince's non existance at the time, Wilson however remains staunch in his claims,

"The thing that really put me off Smile, was hearing Let's Go Crazy on the radio, I was in the car with Rick James and I just started crying, and he asked me, 'What's wrong, bitch!?', I just replied, "They did it already, they did what I wanted to do with SMiLE." Then we went to a party my lyricist Charlie Murphy, Rick was wearing this ring with 'Unity' on it, to promote a song he just brought out....."

These recent claims could have serious repurcussions for Prince's new found fame as some have claimed that the album Musicology is in part a direct rip off of some elements of the SMiLE sessions, one frequent poster at the Male Ego message board has said of the song Life 'O' The Party:

"That's an exact lift from  what Brian was doing, you know, with the Smile drugy party sessions, in fact I'm pretty sure that the words, Life, of, the and party showed up in a similar thematic form."

When asked about the claims a few months before his death, Brian's long time friend Rick James said of the incident,

"I'm one of the best singers on the planet, one of the best lookin' motherfuckas you ever seen.. hold my drink bitch."

What light this comment has on the SMiLE era is yet to be seen...
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Pet Sounds on: January 26, 2006, 11:25:26 PM
I love Pet Sounds pretty much as much as any number of the Beach Boys albums, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends and Sunflower to name a few after and All Summer Long, Today! and Surfer Girl before. Every Beach Boys album has a distinct flavour to it, and should be taken on it's own merits, I personally love Smiley Smile over anything the Beach Boys did but its close and my tastes change. I dont see the wide chasm of creative success that some do between something like Smiley and Pet Sounds. Smiley Smile is just as impressive an album, if not more so, and just as emotionally powerful, as is Sunflower and Surfs Up, in a big big way.
34  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums Listened To Today on: January 23, 2006, 12:33:16 PM

35  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: January 23, 2006, 12:15:45 PM
1/1-Brian Eno
36  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Underated albums on: January 23, 2006, 09:50:53 AM
I get your point, I probably over emphasized when I was talking, I don't dislike the album, not in the least, and the tracks you mentioned I love, I love the chorus in Ascent of Man, it's brilliant. It may grow on me further, I hope it does, I guess I loved Up and Reveal so much that it was just kind of a let down by default.

I don't think all REM is inoffensive soft rock, because of what else is in with that admittedly over simplified statement, Monster is a good example, I think theres a hell of a lot of passion and energy in both Michael Stipe's performances and in the production and work of the band. The difference between REM and inoffensive soft rock is Michael Stipe and the quality of their material, which I think has been fairly consistent over the years of being of a very high quality. Up is anything but soft rock methinks, its a loving mesh of ambient soundscapes and extremely angsted vocal delivery. I just didnt get that same passion from Around the Sun.
37  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Underated albums on: January 23, 2006, 09:26:21 AM
"...I also think REM's last one 'Around the Sun' was unfairly reviewed when it was released. I think it's a fine album."

I donīt want to turn this into a R.E.M.-thread, but...

I actually think itīs one of their best, maybe even THE best. Because itīs probably their most cohesive record. Thereīs not one filler on it or a track that doesnīt fit. Even "Automatic" had itīs "Ignoreland". And I have the feeling that the lyrics are the best Michael has ever written. I mean...

Itīs easy to dismiss the "whatīs it all about"-crowd /
there is no doubt, itīs this, here, now...

I really disagree with you here, I think the albums not bad exactly but their best? I have serious reservations about that statement, I think the album is non-offensive soft rock for the most part, there is little to no of the spark that I associate with REM, I really like about half of it, the half that seems like it's following on from Reveal, but the other half is pretty hard to stomach for me. It's really bland and repetitive, Aftermath is one of the worst songs they've done I think. There just seems to be a conscious effort to go back to more Automatic For the People type music, when they really should have just gone on with their journey, they were doing great, Up and Reveal are two of my favourite albums, theyre exciting, hypnotic and brilliant examples of ambient pop music, Around the Sun sounds like REM imitating REM, which is always a bad idea. The album sounds forced I guess, it's the first time I've really disliked his voice and delivery of the material, there are some really great tracks on there though, I love Electron Blue which sounds like a Reveal outtake, The Ascent of Man is good too, so is the last track, but there's a hell of a lot of filler or I dont care music in there too. It was unfairly held up as some sign of their down fall in popular music, which I seriously doubt it is, it's simply not up to their standards, it's not an incredibly bad album or anything, it's very pleasant and the fact that you like it so much means that theyre still connecting with people, just not me this time. I have high hopes for whatever they do next, I just hope theyll continue to be as daring as they were on Reveal and Up.
38  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Song vs. Song Game on: January 22, 2006, 03:30:31 PM
In The Parkin' Lot, if only for the intro,

Busy Doin' Nothin' v.s. I'd Love Just Once To See You
39  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Pitchfork on: January 22, 2006, 12:16:51 PM
Pitchfork represents the very bottom of humanity, a range of blithering idiots who so consistently miss the point and reason why music moves people and why it's a special thing, that it's fodaing tragic, these people should be removed from this world of 'hip and happenin' journo bullmerda' like the remains from a very messy lunch. Everything has to be weighed up on their scales, "Can I like this?? AM I ALLOWED To like it?Huh"

here take this from the review of musicology by Prince, it's not the score that irks me, its the way they explain why they dont like it..

"One of the first things a rock critic learns is not to emphasize the character on the other end of the speakers when reviewing records. This person, who is playing the tunes and singing the songs, isn't to be treated as a performer so much as the instigator of all the terrible/wonderful noise infesting the writer's world, and should be judged accordingly. That is, by the social rules of rock criticism, one shouldn't judge the musicians at all, merely their music-- and even then, only in terms of how it affects the writer, and in turn, how it might do the same for other listeners. The "argument" comes during the moments when you either agree or disagree with the writer's experience.

The next thing writers learn is that just thinking of one's own experience isn't enough, because there's a whole world out there giving clues to the real value of the music. If music "matters," it follows that its impact should be obvious outside the window; "relevance" is paramount at this stage of criticism, though since bitter humility is a daily part of any rock writer's life, it pays to phrase arguments stressing relevance in ways that don't obviously indicate its bias. This kind of criticism may seem harsh (and pretty unrelated to the actual musical experience), but it also shares much with traditional journalistic aims of reporting and immediate interpretation, and as such, is a method emphasized at most mainstream music pubs."

Please read the rest of the review, but note the highlighted sentence, this pretty much sums up why the way they go about reviewing and the skill with which they apply to the task is so utterly backwards.. MUSIC is NOT like anything else. Therefore it should NOT be lumped in with 'traditional journalistic aims'. There is no love in anything I've seen in Pitchfork, nothing seems to move them, like Jon highlighted about the Zaireeka review, I mean seriously, what was that about?Huh He didnt even hear it and hes still reviewing it??? What the hell is that about? The fact that this guy is only listening to music on a crappy little half broken cd player says so much of the drivel that they print.

The Smile Shop is a hundred times the music site that Pitchfork ever will be.
40  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: January 18, 2006, 12:39:59 PM
An Echo, A Stain-Bjork
41  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: January 14, 2006, 06:41:08 AM
Candy Says-The Velvet Underground
42  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favorite Spinal Tap Tune?? on: January 14, 2006, 06:40:39 AM
Majesty of Rock has to get special mention, as does Cash on Delivery, but I think my favourite Spinal Tap number is Big Bottom if only for Nigel Tuffnel's bum shaking in the film. Heavy Duty is also very good.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE on: January 06, 2006, 05:35:08 PM
I dont know I thought it was alright, there were a fair few mistakes in the first half but over all I was impressed, the Good Timin opening was great. And Smile was mind blowing of course.
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE on: January 06, 2006, 05:28:27 PM
I was at the Glasgow show too. Twas great.
45  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: January 06, 2006, 09:47:02 AM
Cat Stevens-How Can I Tell You
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE on: January 06, 2006, 09:45:56 AM
Yeah -- that was a hell of a night. So many questions answered, so many new questions raised, such a moving performance.

I can't even write about this one. Too much emotion wrapped up in it, I'm too close to the album in general. The bitching, moaning and criticism still stings, and it started the *very next day* after that moving performance. Its like -- when you hear something that moves you *that much* and creates such a potent, visceral reaction to you that hits you at a deep, deep level like that, way down deep in the soul, having that experience devalued or picked apart like its just another ho-hum, bla-de-da everyday ordinary thing is *painful*. I liken it to the visceral reaction Ian has when someone comes on and says something like "Neil Young sucks." You think of the beautiful moments in your life wrapped up in the music, the deep thoughts and wonder you've had listening and spending quality time with it, and all the time you've spent enjoying it, and you feel something very akin to potent RAAAGGGGEEEE. Or at least I do. Which is why I can barely write about the album critically.

And which is why I don't really have a Smile website anymore. I just can't stand having something I love that much dissected like so much offal under my watch.

Let me just say one thing: the pirate rap is my favorite part of the entire album. That should be an indication of where my head is at Smile-wise.

Damn bloody right, right on Jon.. there were people hanging around just to moan and complain about something that was obviously HUGE to the majority of us, even if you didnt care for it at least have the decency to wait a week at least for people to enjoy the moment that no-one thought would come.

SMiLE is still probably my favourite all time music, even though I feel the live performance is the version to listen to.
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