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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Holidays on: October 01, 2014, 08:04:47 AM
Oh, and another thing, since no-one's out there and I'm talking to myself. I think the Frank Holmes picture (top right) includes a reference to the sea shanty (chanty) 'What Do We Do With the Drunken Sailor'.

One day the world will return to this thread. Until then I shall be buried at Avalon.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Look on: October 01, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
You can make bits of the `67 vocal sessions for CIFOTM work in Look without too much pitch shifting. I did it for the chorus and bridge of Look and it sounds reasonable. However, I'd guess that by April of 67 (?), when those vocals were recorded, that the original instrumental sessions from 1966 were already for the bin in Mr Wilson's mind, with him moving toward a simpler arrangement of a number of songs. Hence, even if these vocals had been intended for a new version of Look (or CIFOTM for that matter) then they might have been recorded in a different key. Compare how the Carl version of Surf's Up is in a different key to the Brian one.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: August 01, 2014, 08:18:55 AM
Krabklaw did something like that with his Smyle mix! Very good indeed and ..fits perfectly with that lonesome piano and trumpet..

I had a quick listen to this. Thanks for putting me on to it. Personally, this mix has a bit of a 'Japanese wailing cat' quality in places due to overprocessing, but I like some of the ideas, especially for Look.

Either way, his mix of the vocals into CIFO/TTM is not really what I meant. Try this (my mix, if if works)
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Holidays on: July 23, 2014, 03:09:01 AM
An opinion:

I think the lyrics on BWPS must be a rewrite of original lyrics. Looking at Frank Holmes' 1996 drawing, there are clear references to Hawaii (the girl, Lady Lili, a picture of Diamond Head), tourism (the plane and hotel, new holiday apartments, surfing), a shanty town and a ukulele. There's also the Moon (strangely black), an unknown ship's captain, an anchor, alcohol and the obvious milky way reference.

There's nothing in these references that suggests pirates particularly so I think that, as someone else was saying, the 'pirate with a tune' aspect may be a recent joke about pirated recordings. However, if, say, the first line of 'On a Holiday', was changed to 'The captain of a ship on a holiday' or somesuch, then it might be possible to see how those lyrics might have been changed to reflect a new sentiment.

Either way, the original song appears to be about Hawaii and it's rise to prominence as a US tourist destination, accelerated after 1959. As such it's part of the general history of the US theme running through half of the album.

Apart from that, the fragment of tune on the 'Holidays' session certainly doesn't match the tune on BWPS, which maybe suggests that the original tune is lost. This is backed up by the fact that Brian Wilson simply sings the backing melody, something that he almost never did back in the day. So I'd guess the 'rap' section, if any part of it is original, would have been sung originally too.

And for my penny's worth, those scarcely audible lyrics scan poetically like 'we're digging an inStant Town', although I very much doubt that's what they are. Unfortunately, only a couple of the consonants (capitalised) can be caught with any confidence.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things I Love to Say Dada on: May 01, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
I know this is a fanmix thing but...

I've had as my 'Elements' suite Bag of Tricks/Fire/Water Chant/Friday Night-Workshop, which was fine but slightly bitty at the end.

Trying to redo this in stereo recently I accidentally partially overlaid the Water Chant on the backing of 'Friday Night (I Wanna Be Around)'. I was stunned. It was like listening to Radiohead (this may be good or bad, depending on your view).

If you want to try the same experiment get the backing of Friday Night and the full bootleg version of the water chant (although I think the other will do). Start with just the 'Water Water...' beginning , then when they go 'woo-oo', bring in Friday Night/IWBA. Then listen. Eeeh, it made the 'airs stand up on the back of me neck.

This is the version I shall keep. I love it.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: April 25, 2014, 08:36:28 AM
The intro bit (first 24 secs) feels tacked-on, I think it was put there so the very start of the song wouldn't be so similar to the very start of "Look" but it hurts the flow IMHO

The more I hear it, the more I agree with that. It's a cool little section, but doesn't jive at all with the sounds he was using for that track in '66. I've always started my "Child" mixes with the chorus - it starts the song off quickly and hooks you in right away!
Aw. I loved the intro.

Has anybody tried putting those intro vocals over the quiet piano bit (the bit put at the end of CIFOTM in BWPS)? They need a bit of speed changing and chopping, but the effect (including the lumpy piano on the vocal track) works disturbingly well, making that piano bit spine tingling, and is of the right length. I would guess that something like this was originally intended.

Either way, I've put the piano section (with those vocals) at the beginning of the track, then chorus, then quiet guitar bit, then chorus 2, then that funny vibes bridge, then the shimmery strings fade out.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Wonderful on: April 25, 2014, 08:12:18 AM
I seem to remember that W and HGS were recorded about the same time, but I haven't checked that.

To be honest, HGS can be a bit of a jarring insert to W as, unlike other inserts in the album, there's no room between the 'da da dee dum dum' of the harpsichord and 'HE GIVES...'

However, the end of HGS has three solitary notes played on bass guitar (for some reason left off the Sessions album), which allow enough space before 'All Fall Down..", so this sounds like quite a natural transition.

Either way, if HGS ever was an insert it was dropped early on.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Wonderful on: April 24, 2014, 05:32:40 AM
Dear All.

This is my first comment and I don't know all the ins and outs of the forum so I hope this doesn't seem too dumb.

Does anybody else think that 'He Gives Speeches' is a dropped instert from Wonderful (i.e. between 'bumped into her W' and 'All fall down')?

It would help both make more sense lyrically. It's what I've got on my version. Admittedly it does need a bit of speed changing, but both W and HGS seem to need that anyway. It might also help to make sense of that odd bit in the middle of Smiley's W.

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