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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 12, 2022, 11:45:41 AM
Billy mentioned above, "Itís like seeing that photo of Carl in 1977 when he had shaved (and he had stubble). Just looked *different*"


Could someone kindly upload that shot as I don't believe I've seen it before?


Thanks to everyone who has contributed the Brian-hatted and nearly clean-shaven Carl images. Most are brand new to these eyes.

It was the 1977 Grammys. Brian, Dennis, and Carl were presenting an award.

https://youtu.be/cT0DScltAmA
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 09, 2022, 09:48:04 AM
This was really lovely. They improved on Markís 2004 mix.

Paulís solo output as a whole is better than Brianís, but I would put 88 and TLOS up there with Paulís best post-Beatles work.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 06, 2022, 06:49:51 PM
Signed!

I wouldnít buy it, myself. But I donít want to deprive anyone who actually want to buy this.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 01, 2022, 08:17:13 AM
The rest of the tour in the USA, Mexico and Canada has been cancelled.

And the fans who had tickets to the thrice-postponed Europe shows are being given refunds.

That happened a week or 2 ago.  I don't think it's related to this.

Maybe, maybe not.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2022-2023 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2018-2021) on: August 01, 2022, 06:48:34 AM
Normally they wouldn't have been able to continue on with the gig without the three "names." I'm guessing because this was a "Fair" gig, where the show is free with admission, they don't have to warranty anything about who is on stage. Had this been a show that required paying for a ticket specifically for the concert, I would imagine the show would have been canceled.

I've seen the YouTube videos; this did up essentially being one of those "California Surf Inc." shows (plus Debbie Shair I guess). Matt is great on vocals and those guys are all good musicians. The harmonies sounded good for what the were; I think Ed Carter and Bobby Figueora are awesome, but they of course can't provide the same harmony stack that Carnie, Wendy, and Al can.

It's still a bit surprising they went ahead with the gig with not even one of the three big names on the billing. Filling the show with stuff like a guitar solo in the middle of "In My Room" is interesting and all, and on clearly very little notice they sound very good, but that's a tough spot for the band and the audience.

But I don't think it's a big deal; this was a unique case where they even had the ability to try to keep the booking.

The In My Room guitar solo was unplanned. People were getting up to slow dance so rather than kill the momentum, the band called an audible.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 01, 2022, 06:46:09 AM
The rest of the tour in the USA, Mexico and Canada has been cancelled.

And the fans who had tickets to the thrice-postponed Europe shows are being given refunds.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: July 29, 2022, 09:54:51 PM
The BB Reddit page is truly awful. Avoid at all costs.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I recreate Help Me, Rhonda on: July 29, 2022, 09:53:17 PM
Wow! How many instruments do you have in your apartment?

Wonderful performances.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: July 29, 2022, 05:18:38 PM
Sadly, "ableism" has always been the name of the game when many (too many) people talk of Brian Wilson.

Truer words were never spoken.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer breakdown with Howie Edelson on Surf's Up podcast on: July 16, 2022, 12:35:15 PM
It was a great interview, Mark.

I highly recommend this to anyone.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Featured Prominently in New Season of \ on: July 14, 2022, 01:43:52 PM
Any artist that would get their song on the show would likely only celebrate it. Itís a ton of exposure, and apparently even with the pennies that Spotify pays artists, at least Kate Bush is apparently bringing in some huge bucks.

But I canít say much of any of the songs featured prominently in the show really reflect the artists a ton or are integral to the plot thematically. There are a few. Even the Kate Bush track could have easily been another song and still worked with the plot. The fact that the character listens to the song is whatís integral to the plot, more than the content of the song itself.

Artists being pleasantly surprised by the success this showís exposure brings them is really more akin to an artist having a weird surprise hit, rather than the show really deeply delving into the thematic nature of the songs or the artist in question.

But yeah, this is easily the most exposure Al Jardine and Carl Wilsonís voices have seen in eons. The song has never left Mikeís setlist; Iím a bit surprised Al isnít doing the song with Brian currently. But, especially prior to the BBís social media picking up on the songís success and upgrading the video on YouTube, etc., it wouldnít have surprised me if Al had no idea about the song being in the show.


MATT: Dad, the BB version of California Dreaming was used on Stranger Things!
AL: Golly gee whiz, thatís great! *pause* Whatís Stranger Things?
MATT: Itís a TV show on Netflix.
Al: Golly gee whiz, thatís great! *pause* Whatís Netflix?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Leaf to reissue California Myth on: July 13, 2022, 06:00:50 PM
When I first read the 85 version I was shocked at how balanced it was. I kinda was expecting something like the Gaines book to be honest

Exactly.  Gaines was WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY harder on Mike than Leaf was.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Look Listen Vibrate Smile! Track list? on: July 13, 2022, 03:05:11 PM
Extraordinary! Apparently this is the culmination of a lot of research on Domenic's part, so much appreciated. Will probably have to rejig my Smile mix in light of this. Thanks!

A lot of his research had been done with Darian Sahanaja and Probyn Gregory as well.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Look Listen Vibrate Smile! Track list? on: July 13, 2022, 12:02:01 PM
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15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Leaf to reissue California Myth on: July 13, 2022, 11:49:58 AM
I thoroughly pissed off about EH (there's an oxymoron if ever there was one)!  I was in an on topic discussion defending the book against some silly criticisms when one of the moderators took my posts down and emailed me to say I wasn't to post on that thread any more.  I told him posting on EH was a total waste of time.  I spent time and effort checking the content of my post for errors and accuracy, made sure it related to the book and pffft - it's gone.  I only started posting there to defend some absolutely silly criticism such as 'teachers shouldn't have enough time to write if they are doing their job properly' and 'young fans shouldn't approach artists after a show when they are tired and it's is a bad example to set to his current students'.

Sorry that my first post after a long time should be a moan!

I'm still reading the book (again after a long time) but it seems to me that it is exceptionally fair.  Obviously David's status has changed so now he has to limit himself in what he says but nevertheless it gives us insight into his work with Brian and concludes the SMiLE story with a happy ending.  I'm so glad to have it and read it again.  Covid was sucking the soul out of me and this has got me fired up again about the music.

That thread was a train wreck.

Obviously, I havenít read the new edition yet, but I have both the 1978 and 1985 editions and I always thought it was a fair assessment of Brianís story especially as it relates to the BB.  Is David biased? OK, sure. But he is still fair, I think, to the other members (much more fair than his critics are willing to admit).
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 10, 2022, 07:17:32 AM


The thing that is insulting about that thread is you had an admin responding to the OP saying ďguys, we chased him offĒ with basically ďgood! He deserved it!Ē.  The rancor never should have gotten to that level and, by example, it was cheered on by aforementioned admin. You donít like the mixes, fine.  But the dog piling got uncomfortably close to a cancellation attempt and thatís disturbing.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 09, 2022, 09:23:24 PM
Speaking of Paul, the online comments Iíve seen about his recent show have been around the same level of Brianís . This is kind of uncharted territory as this is the first generation of musicians to be active and still relevant at their age. I remember The Beach Boys and McCartney seeming old and washed up in the 80sÖ and they were way younger than generation who came after that are still active today. Look at someone like MetallicaÖ those are guys around 60. Debuted on the 80s and still kicking multiple varieties of ass onstage. Chuck Berry stayed on til the end, but his recording career was comparatively brief. How many bands started adding auxiliary members as they got older, which wasnít really a thing for following generations. Compare Dave Grohl in his mid 50s to pretty much anybody who debuted in the 70s at the same age. There might be a time where people Paul and Brianís current age wonít age as ďbadĒ onstage.


Yeah, Paulís voice hasnít been good for a number of years, but his bass, guitar, drums, and piano chops are still as good as ever. And people go to see him now for the spectacle, those songs, and to be in the same room as a legend.  Paul is probably the best example of what youíre describing. Itís like people are aging differently from generation to generation.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 09, 2022, 10:30:52 AM
https://twitter.com/emilybrooksnews/status/1476714669293375490?s=21&t=dXN-MiaGjNvZrdHUlP-ZkA

Remember when this Twitter thread went viral?  Look at some of the responses. There is STILL a problem with how the BB are perceived. I know we fans think ďwho cares? Those snooty snobs are the ones missing out.Ē And maybe thatís true to an extent.

But this band DESERVES to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles.  In order to have a chance of that happening while it still matters, you canít really emphasize the Mike Love-styled way theyíve presented themselves in the last several decades (even if fans are now OK with it). Iím sorry fansí feathers got ruffled with how Howie explained it, but he was speaking truth. And it is this fresh mindset that resulted in Feel Flows.  Iíd rather have that the way it is presented than not have it all. To think that some donít want that kind of stuff because of biases or upset feelings kinda makes me sad.

Completely agree

I agree too. It is the truth that since the aftermath of Kokomo, the band name and image changed and became almost a multiple personality situation. And the mass media, marketers, and promoters often want to compartmentalize and homogenize a product in order to sell that product. After Kokomo you had the Beach Boys playing the hits on stage with dancers like a revue versus the image of the band who just saw Pet Sounds reissued on CD and which appealed to a different set of fans with different tastes. The GV box set with the Smile material and deeper cuts further split the image. After Mike got the license and Brian toured on his own, the divide was complete.

As much as it could have turned into one, the C50 tour could easily have become a sappy "Malt Shop Memories" affair, but miraculously it did not, and the music and the guys on stage together transcended all else. That WAS the same group who did Surfin Safari, Wouldn't It Be Nice, Sail On Sailor, and Kokomo on the same stage together for a brief moment in time. Everyone got what they wanted, in terms of the fans the way it seemed. No shmaltz, no cheese, no Malt Shop Memories nostalgia in 2012. And there was even new Beach Boys music to dig.

I'll still say that one of the issues for the brand, and I say that carefully, was how people outside the fan bubble we're in didn't know which Beach Boys they were getting, and a lot of great music had been buried and lost for years as a result.

The Feel Flows set was definitely an attempt to bring attention to that kind of music which had been lost through the years, and try to overcome the multiple personality issue that has been on the band's branding for decades.

I agree, if some don't want that kind of stuff due to biases or upset feelings (or perhaps jealousy), it's pretty sad.

And to be sure, the BB arenít the only legacy act to have this duality: Paul McCartney has this to a certain degree (in concert, he is the Proxy Beatles delivering the crowd pleasing hits but off-stage he is the consummate artistic risk taker with his classical works, his work with Youth, and his studio albums). But certainly, the BB became the poster boys for this strange duality.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 08, 2022, 06:43:54 PM
https://twitter.com/emilybrooksnews/status/1476714669293375490?s=21&t=dXN-MiaGjNvZrdHUlP-ZkA

Remember when this Twitter thread went viral?  Look at some of the responses. There is STILL a problem with how the BB are perceived. I know we fans think ďwho cares? Those snooty snobs are the ones missing out.Ē And maybe thatís true to an extent.

But this band DESERVES to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles.  In order to have a chance of that happening while it still matters, you canít really emphasize the Mike Love-styled way theyíve presented themselves in the last several decades (even if fans are now OK with it). Iím sorry fansí feathers got ruffled with how Howie explained it, but he was speaking truth. And it is this fresh mindset that resulted in Feel Flows.  Iíd rather have that the way it is presented than not have it all. To think that some donít want that kind of stuff because of biases or upset feelings kinda makes me sad.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 08, 2022, 06:24:39 PM
"terrei" -

Stay down.

You're not going to out-wit me, you're not going to out-"mean" me.
You're flailing.

Stay down.


But he must unleash the wrath of the Almighty Maltshop Memories Nerds on us all!
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 07, 2022, 07:44:28 AM
I also heard the missing "s" in "wears" on the new GV track, FYI. I don't know how or why that could have happened, but again that's just my take.

After hearing Howie's interview posted above, I also don't understand what all the fuss is about. They're different mixes of classic tracks, at the end of the day. The level of anger directed at the mixes and the people who constructed them and the new set is beyond what I think most of us would have expected. But again it also reminds me of the level of hate directed at Brian's NPP album even before the full album came out. It goes beyond disliking the sound of a song or a song itself when the attacks get personal.

These personal attacks on Howie and Mark Linett seem more political or grudge-fueled than anything that would begin to resemble constructive criticism. It's pathetic to see people calling for their heads literally, unless some of this is about others wanting their jobs or old-fashioned jealousy that someone got a gig which others covet. I don't get it. But it's rotten to the core to see Howie and Mark getting attacked personally...again, consider the sources. And it's also sad to not see more prominent voices not speaking up in defense of these two men who did a hell of a lot of truly great stuff for the fans.

Speaking of, the level of hypocrisy and double-standards is off the charts regarding this recent leak of BRI vault material on YouTube that has been getting pulled down. So it's ok to celebrate and not pay for that, which is leaked "unbooted" vault material, but it's a cardinal sin to listen to BB's tracks streaming on YouTube or Amazon through official channels?

For f**k's sake.





Not to mention, itís perfectly OK for a moderator of a BB board to not get called out when he says that he would boycott future product.  
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: July 04, 2022, 01:27:47 PM
Iím always stunned to hear that as popular as the show was in the US (at the height of its popularity in the early 90ís, it hit Top 10 in the Nielsenís), that the series NEVER aired in the UK. Especially since many other hit US shows were hugely popular with British audiences.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 02, 2022, 11:42:51 AM
Did he say anything that will piss off the other board? 😂
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: July 01, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
Itís only July!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: July 01, 2022, 01:08:36 AM
Iím not sure what Al was expecting out of the sale to Iconic.
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