Hi!

On our Swedish facebook fan-page, two of us have recognized two times when the younger Brian sounded like or reminded of his older voice.

In Hawaii -67, he sounded -exactly- like he does nowadays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZCnThN2tQ&fbclid=IwAR348x-EEcZ2Eip1-ikLjcypeoycMAZJ2kvR20_mNY4CBrtSxn9zL_3098A
(In just the first seven words: "I've been in this town so long")

Do you guys know any other examples?

I always thought that´s Al singing H&V??

I really, really like the H&V mix. Wow! Good start, good momentum, good choices, bonkers ending. And it had the pocket symphony vibe of GV. Concise!

Well done, 2016 Niles!

Almost all credit must go to Seltaeb, who did some great mixes few years ago. I dont know if he is still on this board...

Ok, here s some stuff!

http://www.mediafire.com/file/3ncyd9cr7d8ki91/Smile_mash_up_experiments.mp3/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/d45enu1mg8dhoka/Bike_rider_HV_bike_rider.wav/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h0u5p09rhcnaeff/Bike_rider_prelude.wav/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/c2gnrydimt3im9e/Heroes_and_Villains_spooky.wav/file

Enjoy!

Hello guys! It was my mix, for which I took liberty to borrow majority from Seltaeb HV mix, with some mine tickling! I will try to find original post and post it again!

Is this the post you're talking about? I see there's a mediafire link--not sure if it's still in place...

Yesss! That's the one! And of course, it didn't get to US #1😂

I think link is working!

In those dayd I did a lot of partial HV mixes, but could not get the whole aong sounding right, and tight like a true 3minute single. Just like Brian 😜
I will post  some stuff later!

Hey everyone! This might be a longshot, but I've been trying to find a fanmix of Heroes and Villains posted on this board awhile back, but I've been running into some trouble. Here's what I can remember from it:

. It was labelled as a "Feb. 67" mix
. It started out with the Brian dialogue "remember one thing: there's no rules to this", which went into Mission Pak, then into the first verse, which used the Brian/Mike shared lead.
. It had a vinyl record popping SFX laid on top.
. The verses had this EQ which made the drums REALLY stand out.
. The ending went from Pickup to Third Verse into Bag of Tricks, which then faded out. Quite a unique ending!

Sorry in advance if this wasn't posted in the right channel! Thanks!

Hello guys! It was my mix, for which I took liberty to borrow majority from Seltaeb HV mix, with some mine tickling! I will try to find original post and post it again!

Really? I have been a rather avid collector of Smile boots for 20+ years and both of these acetates sound "new" to me, particularly Carl's vocal on the Hawaiian chant. And neither vocal appears to have made it on the Smile box set, suggesting further that these versions are less than commonplace...

Thanks leetwall97, this is huge! How did you track these down, and do you have any more goodies for us?    

All these "snippets" are well known for years through bootlegs (SOT, Vigotone, H & V sessions vol 1 & 2...). If you look them up you'll be surprised how much goodies you'll find  
But on the other hand it's refreshing for someone try ing to "update" them (with missing vocals) and give us a look at what Smile could have been in 1967. So go for it!
I enjoy these mixes!

However, it's also sad, beacuse it shows how close BW was to completing Smile, "just few vocals away" like Vosse and Anderle said in their 1968/1969 interviews!

Vosse artcle you'll find in this therad!
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=17157.0

Maybe I'm mistaken, but Carl's or maybe Dennis's vocal on hawaiian chant in DYDW is known through Smile Vigotone 110, track 24.
Regarding H&V Brian verse 1966, thhis one I know through Preiss tape, maybe first ever Smile leaks, from 1978-9 I think. Don't have that one one me now, so can't tell track number, but I'm pretty sure I recognize that version of HV verse with that Brian energetic vocal. Also found on H&V sessions, vol 2, track 10.
Love that vocal, but also love Brian and Mike trading vocals on 1967, January mix!

[I would suggest losing the "wooo wooo" at the end, since that is purely a 21st-century invention]

Hey thanks a bunch means a lot  I'm open to suggestions on what other smile songs I should do

Hey Seagull-

Thanks very much for this!  It's great to have people on here who have the talent to create these things.

I especially like the use of the 2004 vocals, since that's what we have to work with, and I think they work quite well with the original song.

I'd actually love to see you continue to refine your work on Worms.  Aside from what you say are tech errors (which I can't really hear, perhaps because I'm not in a spot where I can play the song at a decent volume), I would suggest losing the "wooo wooo" at the end, since that is purely a 21st-century invention, and replacing it with the extended piano br theme, as was originally there.  Just my thought though- others may hear very different things.

Actually, that was a vintage piece of music.

It is vintage piece, nobody said otherwise but it's use in DYDW is 2004 invention, to smothen the pass to Barnyard, because of live shows!
1966 DYDW ends with BR theme, in some cases with theme vinding down, and in other cases it starts again till it fades again...

Thanks leetwall97, this is huge! How did you track these down, and do you have any more goodies for us?    

All these "snippets" are well known for years through bootlegs (SOT, Vigotone, H & V sessions vol 1 & 2...). If you look them up you'll be surprised how much goodies you'll find  
But on the other hand it's refreshing for someone try ing to "update" them (with missing vocals) and give us a look at what Smile could have been in 1967. So go for it!
I enjoy these mixes!

However, it's also sad, beacuse it shows how close BW was to completing Smile, "just few vocals away" like Vosse and Anderle said in their 1968/1969 interviews!

Vosse artcle you'll find in this therad!
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=17157.0

One question, maybe dumb one :
When were overdubs to MOCW recorded, fire crackling noises? And,
is there any true that there was another MOCW session on December 5th 1966, vocal one with BB??

Only appropriate that you ask a dumb question about dumb angel!

And yes that IS correct! Vocals were originally recorded by the Beach Boys back when the track was first recorded. On December 5th, further vocals for Fire as well as Surf's Up were recorded!

I wouldn't find it surprising if Mrs. O'Leary's Cow had lyrics. Once you get all the background vocals onto the track, it all-of-a-sudden contains a stable structure for melody which amazes me and only proves Brian's genius.

Then again, maybe Brian just had a small but important new vocal idea. Like the Yodeling overdubs on Wonderful in December. Basically from December-January the tracks for the Album were either finished or being touched up.

I remembered this from Badman's book, I think.
Some guys in this board questioned his sessiongraphy so I'm not sure did the session really happened!

One question, maybe dumb one :
When were overdubs to MOCW recorded, fire crackling noises? And,
is there any true that there was another MOCW session on December 5th 1966, vocal one with BB??

Does anyone of you, guys, know did Dennis's vocal on Sunshine was mixed like that (kind of muddy...) or is ti like that because the only surviving vocal tape is from acetate??

I remember reading somewhere of an alternate lyric that was more "upbeat", I guess you could say. I think it ended with something like " As day is done, all the children carry on".

I think it went something like: The father's life is done, and the children carry on...

Another little mash up. Not mine!
Keep an open mind how it could all went together!

http://www.mediafire.com/file/khxnpq65ewfq4dn/HVGSB_mock-up.mp3

Krabklaw, you' re THE MAN when it comes to Smile fan mixes! Really enjoying your videos!
From where did you pull those BV on Sunshine/part 1 beneath DW?

OMP,
think you're right. I also believe that Prayer followed by GV would open the album, cause let's not forger BW wanted to make greatest POP album of all time, and it would have been, I believe, that way had he found the way to finish it!
But if he had finished it, what would we all be talking about for the last cc 50 years?? 

I personally love the opening with Prayer followed with Gee and H&V, but in a slightly trippier way than what we have on TSS!

How about this strange mix that Zeppo Wilson did on 11th February 1967 when Brian left studio to get burgers, and told Capitol it is the new single they've been waiting from Brian, and guess what? It stopped Penny Lane from being #2 in Britain, of course it didn't get to #1 cause of E. Humperdinck  , and of course bombed in US, reaching only #9!  
Big tnx to Seltaeb!

http://www.mediafire.com/download/2vp7po03192sb2p/Heroes_and_Villains_February_1967_mix.mp3

I was referring to the June WMT's - obviously Brian did a remake for Smiley, but the three different variations from June don't fit together if, as someone has suggested, they were meant to be edited into some sequence like the Heroes Part 2 "sections."

I found this on my hard disc, not sure who did this mix (no, it's not Brian's   ) but I think that it was from a member of this board. Maybe he'll come forward, it' s very nice mix/mashup of WMT versions! It's not mine, and this is for fun and educational purposes!

http://www.mediafire.com/download/o0q9m1017600c1r/With_Me_Tonight_%28Extended_Mix%29.wav

The Tag to Child Is Father of the Man was labeled as a Cabin Essence Section. It was also overdubbed with Guitars, Carl doing the lead. Once overdubbed, the piano track was removed. Wonder what kind of guitars they used?

I don't have SS box set so I don't know is that source for this information?? By "tag to CFTM" you mean piano and trumpet section, or something else?

I believe I Ran was meant as an insert piece to Good Vibrations (which is probably why it was never listed). My theory can be heard here.
https://vimeo.com/182498068
Musically it makes since. Like other Wilson comps, the Bass dictates the change.

Yeah, I listened to your edit earlier.  In my opinion it's possible, but not probable.  They recorded vocals on 10/13/66 for I Ran (formerly Untitled Song #1) three days after the Good Vibrations single was released.  That would mean Brian was still working on Good Vibrations three days after it's release date.  I don't find that probable, but let's play devil's advocate and assume that's what happened--- Well, that's a very interesting factoid, that one of The Beach Boys' most beloved songs and one of the greatest of that decade was still being worked on after it was released.  Surely, that was a story that would have been remembered and told, by anyone close to him?  Also if it's true, why is I Ran subtitled "formerly Untitled Song #1" instead of "formerly Good Vibrations Insert"?  

My test mix example can be found here:
https://vimeo.com/182612766

So in this case, the song Heroes and Villains is only 50 seconds long?  

Bridge to Indians WAS found in a test mix.

No I mean a test mix of Heroes and Villains and Do You Like Worms as one big piece.  

And who cares what Van Dyke said. He didn't even know how Heroes and Villains went until Brian played it for him at the Humble Harv' session. He was as much in the dark about the music as Brian's Entourage was.

Really?

I'm with you on this, Sonic! It's ok to try to play with various pieces of Smile puzzle, and I'm first to listen and praise any effert like Lee managed with GV/Look mashup. Others have done similar things (like Seltaeb) and I love to listen such mashups, but to claim that BW did something similar and that every such mix is lost/erased..I don't know...

Let's play with Smile tracks/sectons, and leave it at that, 'cause like M. Linnet said there was no Smile album in 1966/1967... maybe just an idea of how it could all fit together in Brian's head...

Looking at the With Me Tonight versions we have, all seem to have been taped in June 67, none were recorded during the Smile sessions proper but for Smiley Smile.

Not true. There's a Vega-Tables With Me Tonight version, and the full song was recorded on Harpsichord in April or March.

Why would Carl imitate the sectional recording method Brian was using for Smile when he could see how difficult that was making the completion of the album, and how Brian seemed to be spinning his wheels and not getting anywhere?

I believe this is because Tune X and IDK were in fact not written by Dennis or Carl. I've yet to see evidence to back up that claim. Can you elaborate more on IDK being recorded in parts as well? Because in Tune X the IDK riff is played twice, and I would like to know if IDK was absorbed into Tune X. Also, I'm beginning to believe that Tune X / IDK was the Barnyard Suite. By this time in March, Brian had finished the H&V single, had recorded the various connecting pieces that would help him form a suite containing H&V DYLW and other smile songs, and was pretty much finishing up the Americana aspect of the album. I bet these sections were a last minute rewrite of discarded material (hence Barnyard Billy [see my posts on the matter]), and they would help glue the remaining threads together.

Don't get me wrong, but  I believe Mark Linett when he says there was no Smile album in 1966 or 1967, or something that would resemble finished product (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw09zOhZ_Ck&index=12&list=RDYmHm7qEnhng) .
I would LOVE that there was a finished product, or even Americana side,  but let's face it I think that only HV (cantina version), and maybe Prayer, Wind chimes and Fire (not the Elements, if ever there was such track) were finished. Other songs were in pieces (Do you like worms, Child is father of the man, Cabinessence, Wonderful, Old master painter, Vegetables...).
And that is a great regret, like VDP said!

[At that time]

If you see it that way then you're looking at it through a kaleidoscope.

You mean like this?  

It depends on your definition of "finished".  Were there many different finished versions of things throughout the year?  Or when you step back and look at the bigger picture, was nothing truly finished until the album--Smiley Smile--was completed?   Judging by the nature of this album, how pieces seemed to shift from song to song, I'd have to say that nothing was really finished until Smiley Smile.  Actually, some believe it wasn't even truly finished until 2004!

Take your Vosse quote for example:  "At that time it was considered a tentatively finished product..."  The words "At that time" denotes that it was in a finished state, but then ceased to be.  How can that be?  Something is either finished... or it isn't.  Right?  

Wrong.  It was in a constant state of flux.  It was perhaps in a finished state when Brian compiled a master on 10/5/66 (which we have heard btw, and Linett emulated for the Good Vibrations boxset) of Wind Chimes.  But then the tag  could have been pulled from Wind Chimes to become the Air piece for The Elements, thus making it unfinished.  Similar to how The Old Master Painter was finished, but the fade was pulled to Heroes and Villains, leaving Old Master Painter in an unfinished state.  Similar to how Do You like Worms was finished (minus vocals), but the chorus was pulled to Heroes and Villains, leaving Do You Like Worms in an unfinished state.  

And it did not become finished (in Vosse's mind) until the Smiley Smile version, which is the version of Wind Chimes for nearly everyone else in the world for over 25 years.  

I agree with this.
I can't see any evidence that WC had more vocals on them, other than ones we have today on Smile sessions.
I think the version that Vosse heard was the one that we heard on bootlegs (SOT vol 17, disc 3, track 8 ), and with "aid" from other stuff he heard it "somewhat" different!

I always thought that the October IMGS session was for Vegetables cornucopia version
Also it hit me that perhaps the session for "I ran" wasn't for Look but for Cabinessence, like you said! Who knows? I mean, they do sing who ran the iron horse, so who knows??

Hey, mediafire blocked first link!

So, this is my first attempt to come out of the closet with Smile mix!

Something I mixed for fun, but seems to work out out just fine!

To be honest this is just my mash up of other people mixes and ideas, so thank you Jiggy22, Old Master Painter, Judd, Memory Man, Holly Bee, Krabklaw, Jacob...can't think of anyone else involved in this mash up, but I think that's all...

At this time I don't know where to put this in my mix, maybe nowhere , but it's kind of fun to put this little mash ups together

http://www.mediafire.com/download/3ncyd9cr7d8ki91/Smile+mash+up+experiments.mp3

Enjoy!

For pure fun and educational purposes only!

but the June 'my children' section doesn't have the 'often wise' melody

and if I remember rightly:

'great shape' is a heavier arrangement we haven't heard yet

'my children' has the 'often wise' melody

i wonder if 'great shape' has a similar feel to the very early takes of 'false barnyard' before the ychanged the rhythm..?

Mike, I think you might be right about that.  Sorry guys, but I believe that this is some kind of mix that includes early "false barnyard" with june '67 "my children.."

To support my claim if I'm not mistaken the guy who heard the acetate said there was bicycle rider part with kick drum that he never heard before and we all know about that part (SOT...), and DYDW with different voals whick have also been discussed on board here (Vigotone bootleg)....

But who knows, I would love to be proven wrong!

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I suggested that  'Andy' who heard this acetate maybe isn't familiar with whole Smile music, like when he said about the "new" BR part with kick drum and DYDW with alternate hawaiian vocal, which are known to general public for about 10 years through bootlegs!
But nobody would be more thrilled than me that this acetate is something we haven't heard till now!