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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What are the 3 essential BB albums? on: June 15, 2012, 05:58:44 AM
EASY: This three album run:

Pet Sounds
Smile
Wild Honey
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alan Boyd seriously ill. on: June 15, 2012, 05:57:26 AM
Do keep us posted about his health -- he's got a lot of friends and fans out here in Beach Boys land and everybody's seriously concerned about him. Express my best wishes to him, if you could!!

- Jon Hunt
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alan Boyd seriously ill. on: June 13, 2012, 09:09:23 AM
Good wishes to my pal Alan Boyd -- get well soon, mah friend.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 25, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
Basically, I agree with everything Jeff Mason says so eloquently above.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 24, 2012, 12:40:15 PM
I can't say I'm terribly concerned with the opinion on this album of folks who see little merit in this band (or Brian Wilson solo project, as they like to think of them) aside from Pet Sounds, which was kind of a fluke and Brian was just ripping off the Beatles anyway and then he went insane and stayed in bed for 30 years while Mike Love (aka Satan) released "Kokomo".

This is the most awesome summary of none of the reviews thus far posted!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 24, 2012, 09:35:24 AM
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"Peace and money! Ain't life funny?"

Actually: "Easy Money / Ain't Life Funny."
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 24, 2012, 09:34:09 AM
One particular statement or theme in this review (http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/), how Brian Wilson has always been a colossal cornball, doesn't hold up when you put his music and his productions from 1963-67 into that equation. At that time, he was one of the few producers who had the ears of most in the pop music business, had more clout than I'd bet 98% of people his age and background in the business at that time, and that point continues to be driven home every time another of his peers says in an interview how influential his records at that time were on other artists and producers making pop music. The driving force behind that clout and respect was mostly the way his records sounded and the way they were received by the public and the record biz types alike.

Cornball sells in very large quantities but it doesn't garner the same level of respect and the same aura as innovation.

It's not about hip, it's not about pop-culture iconoclastic imagery, it's about putting out songs that people heard on the radio and on record and considered to be at the forefront of pop recording at that time. Brian *was* competitive at that time and has admitted it, he *was* trying to outdo Spector and the Beatles and others, and he was making records that were cutting-edge for pop or teen music of that era. I'd suggest there was a different kind of drive behind those records and that music, a different kind of mindset that went into creating them which did not go into nearly everything the man released from the 70's onward with a few but very significant exceptions, and even those exceptions had a foot in the past rather than a start-from-scratch mentality. There was that competitive edge in that process which the man himself admits he discarded soon after the Smile era, and making that kind of music no longer appealed to him as much as making records which pleased him.

The statement about cornball would ring more true if the years from, say, 1963-67 were taken out of the equation.

I also think comparing anything from this album to something from the 60's classic era is a mistake, as shown by Brian's reaction when Al attempted to link it somehow to Pet Sounds during the PBS interview. The mindset going into this latest album was not 1965, even though some of the resulting sounds may have come out sounding like 1965.

The new album may be cornball, but to apply that overall to Brian's music from the 60's didn't feel right - not completely wrong, but not right.


Yeah, but Craig, Brian Wilson, even during the hitmakin' years was always way more about the Four Freshmen and Rosemary Clooney -- the epitome of pure corn, though of course awesome! -- than Chuck Berry. His roots have always been in music other people would consider corny/cheesy. The point is that he was able to transform his influences into great songs. But the corn was there -- always. It came out in his songs, too!

And yeah -- there's no point in comparing this record to stuff from the 60s, even though in terms of quality the last few songs are on a par with, say, a Pet Sounds or a Til I Die.

I see the points, but I also don't hear that cornball element near as much as the review would suggest in the final products, especially from the "Golden Age" which I'd list as 1963-67. Freshmen, Clooney, Gershwin...check. However, and I mean this seriously, do we as people who listen to a lot of music hear any of that in the truly great singles the man was making? I Get Around? When I Grow Up? California Girls? Wouldn't It Be Nice?

I could list more but I'd be tempted to say if you played those classic BB singles for people in a blind test next to a stack of Clooney or Freshmen records, the similarities would be threadbare at best. It reminds me of reading various City Paper type publications and 'zines in the early 90's where the music writers would hear a rock band doing a vocal harmony or a jazzy chord change and immediately trot out the "Brian Wilson" comparison tag.

Again, if we take the larger overview of the band's history, specifically the stage act which more fans have spent money on than any new record releases since the 70's, the cornball element is huge and yes, it should be celebrated and enjoyed because it is part of the band's fun identity, no problems from me on that point.

But to paint the recorded legacy of Brian Wilson with that broad of a brush, I think it does paint over what was a young man making among the best and most forward-thinking recordings of his time and among his peer group, and those recordings influenced and continue to influence those in his field. If the cornball element were that strong *at that time*, Brian's records would be in the same bin as Winchester Cathedral or They're Coming To Take Me Away - novelties that sounded interesting but were ultimately forgettable and disposable.

It's just a difference of opinion, not saying either is right or wrong. Reviews and articles should inspire debate and discussion, and this one did just that! It was hard to get past the word or the theme of "cornball" for me.

I don't hear it in the hot hit singles, no, but I surely hear it in some of the ballads. Listen to "Your Summer Dream" or "Ballad of Ole Betsy" and stuff like that, you don't hear that? Those aren't a little corny? I mean, they're gorgeous, sure, but also: a little corny. I could list like a million others, too, even some of the rock tunes. And no, it wouldn't have been "novelty songs." That's not true at all, I don't think. that's not the only "corny" music out there.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 24, 2012, 07:45:55 AM
It is a reviewer's prerogative to be somewhat hyperbolic, and to speak to the particular audience that reads reviews on that type of website. The only mistake he made was asking for anyone's opinions here.
I'm not a fan of the sound of the record per se, and not because I think it isn't hip. But I still like reviews that take a stab at leaving no room for denial. That is a Paul Williams hallmark.

Werd.

I'm not a fan of the sound of the record for LOTS of reasons -- totally stated 'em in the article, too. The bits about hipness in there were jibes at people, and you and I both know a ton of 'em, who only like the Beach Boys *because* they're hip. I was just saying you aren't going to be finding any of that here -- the hip sort of "Pet Sounds redux" music or whatever, this record has none of that, and don't we all agree with that? The point of the article was simply that if you are able to overlook the godawful production touches, you're gonna find good songs.

I dunno how dude above so thoroughly missed the point I was making, esp. considering so many other people got it. I guess if you go into a review with your fists up and ready to fight, you're gonna find something to fight about.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 24, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
 
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The reviewer in said review suggested that one who doesn't like the production is just preoccupied with it not being hip.

You could not have more thoroughly missed the point I was trying to make. Hint: that's not even close. I'm glad it got your panties up in a bundle, but go back and read again with your hackles *down* this time and see if you get it.

Again: not. even. close.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 23, 2012, 08:55:21 AM
I gotta a funny feeling most of the reviews will be pretty negative

I think you're probably wrong.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 23, 2012, 08:28:08 AM
Yeah, but Craig, Brian Wilson, even during the hitmakin' years was always way more about the Four Freshmen and Rosemary Clooney -- the epitome of pure corn, though of course awesome! -- than Chuck Berry. His roots have always been in music other people would consider corny/cheesy. The point is that he was able to transform his influences into great songs. But the corn was there -- always. It came out in his songs, too!

And yeah -- there's no point in comparing this record to stuff from the 60s, even though in terms of quality the last few songs are on a par with, say, a Pet Sounds or a Til I Die.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 23, 2012, 07:03:20 AM
Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.

good stuff, my one problem is when you imply that the sophistication of pet sounds/smile was something brian did "totally accidently".  Isn't it established that Brian was going for sophistication?

No no -- I said it *happened* accidentally. I even say as much re: brian shooting for hip, but the accident was that those albums arrived (or, in the case of Smile, didn't arrive!) in a world that totally welcomed sophisto chamber pop. Right time, right place, kind of.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 23, 2012, 06:36:48 AM
Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
Brian's vocals sounded great on Imagination and from "Think About The Days" and "Spring Vacation", he sounds great on this new album, so if anything, I'm all for Joe producing Brian's vocals, if it is indeed his work. The autotune gets to be a bit much, but whatever.

There is a slathering ton of the damn stuff, isn't there?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 11:41:44 AM
This seems to be Wilson and Thomas' follow-up to Imagination, with Beach Boys vocals. Interesting.

Well, and with no "Sunshine." THANK THE LORD.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 11:41:01 AM

I haven't heard a stream. I've heard bits and bobs of the songs via a telephone conversation with a friend. That's it. Not enough to judge, really, and so I edited my comments. I can say, though, that lots of what I heard was better than "Spring Vacation." Just in case folks are worried.

Let us know what you think on the RR, contardo!

I WILL DAMMIT
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 11:32:51 AM

I haven't heard a stream. I've heard bits and bobs of the songs via a telephone conversation with a friend. That's it. Not enough to judge, really, and so I edited my comments. I can say, though, that lots of what I heard was better than "Spring Vacation." Just in case folks are worried.

well don't feel the need to edit yourself.  If you have heard bits and bobs that's more than the rest of us, so share your thoughts, they are welcomed here...

I *can* tell you that any worry about Bon Jovi's involvement in "Summer's Gone" can be allayed. Because it's remarkable.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 09:55:16 AM

I haven't heard a stream. I've heard bits and bobs of the songs via a telephone conversation with a friend. That's it. Not enough to judge, really, and so I edited my comments. I can say, though, that lots of what I heard was better than "Spring Vacation." Just in case folks are worried.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 14, 2012, 08:44:52 AM
"Spring Vacation" I cannot even bring myself to like guiltily.

I like almost everything else I've heard so far, though!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Quantization on 50th Tour on: May 11, 2012, 05:47:42 AM
1- David's presence in the DIA session was fake for the video
2- no Blondie and Ricky
3- Brian did not write the cosa nostra-related single
4- Brian is autotuned in concerts
5- the album's gonna be unbearable due to compression
6- Cowsill's drums are Robotized

Gee, this reunion's gotta suck. Roll Eyes



Thank God audiophile fans don't make any decisions.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. And am every day glad that my hearing hasn't been ruined by audiophilia -- I can still enjoy things without ever knowing/caring about crap like that.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) on: May 07, 2012, 09:34:59 AM
From what we've read, I'm pretty sure this will be better than Summer In Paradise, and that is all I am asking for.

And yet, a dollar says there will be people who say it isn't. There will be people, no matter how good it is and no matter what a remarkable achievement it is/isn't who will automatically claim it is the worst album ever made by humans. You can bet, as they say, your bippy.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Of Montreal, \ on: January 26, 2007, 08:13:43 AM
I've tried Of Montreal many, many times before -- I had so many people recommend "Satanic Panic" to me I virtually had it tattooed on my forehead! -- and nothing ever clicked. This record, however,  made me stand up and take notice. Garbage? Hardly. Its a totally strange amalgam of pure synth-driven new-wave and Beatle-like melodicism, and I find it utterly fascinating in a way that their previous kind of sloppy Elephant 6 twee pop song style was not.

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sellout electronic merda

Y'know? Its funny. Some people *like* electronic music. And some of those people view playing analog instruments as a sellout. Who's right, I wonder?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's new single: Santa's Goin' to Kokomo!!! on: November 20, 2006, 09:33:28 PM
Yeah, I thought it was quite cute. Nothing fancy, nothing profound just -- well, cute.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Al at the Royce...Review on: November 03, 2006, 07:17:54 AM
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including Darian

Oh. I thought "inside scoop" had him fired from the band.

That was never the "inside scoop"...  where the foda did you get that from?  Certainly not an insider....

It's pretty well known that he landed a sweet deal with Disney (scoring the theme song for their new hit show The Replacements etc) and that is going to become a hinderence to his participation in the BWBand.  He will not (as far as I know) be on any of the other dates.

I have NEVER heard ANYONE claim that he was fired until I read this post.


You musta missed that whole flap. Yeah, I knew all along he wasn't fired, I was being smug at some of the folks who insisted up and down that he'd been "canned" by "Melinda" for certain unnamed offenses.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Al at the Royce...Review on: November 02, 2006, 12:35:49 PM
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including Darian

Oh. I thought "inside scoop" had him fired from the band.

HAR HAR!

Awesome, I'm so glad they were great shows. You'd figure they would be.

Now: BROADER TOUR.
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