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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I recreate Help Me, Rhonda on: July 29, 2022, 01:38:53 PM
yes! it's all there.  true tempo.  instruments take over their parts though with a light feel.  it makes people smile because there's some musical humor in the arrangement
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Calling on: June 23, 2021, 07:12:31 AM
totally rad
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 04, 2021, 07:32:52 AM
lookin' at tomorrow, a welfare song

at the beginning of the false (guitar) starts you can hear Al say "Not now, Carnie"
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 11:33:53 AM
"As for the Coca Cola track, perhaps there were copyright issues."

it's 2021 for pete's sake, how many more decades does this set need to wait until 'copyright issues' finally are resolved?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 08:29:38 AM
I'd really wanted the raspberries/strawberries recording origins of at my window

and the Coca-Cola recording origins of cool cool water

with 5 discs there certainly was enough space and perfect setting needless to say

another wasted opportunity
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stack-o-tracks' Wild Honey on: June 01, 2021, 07:15:58 AM
the original vinyl release of Stack-O-Tracks contents were 100% mono.  No stereo there at all, even though the LP jacket printing says stereo and the catalogue number indicates duo-phonic (a phoney stereo type and it wasn't even that).  I liked it because it contained the instrumental track backing to the single version of little saint nick, a very different (and so appealing) mix than the stereo vocal versions on other albums

in 1990 when S-O-T debuted on a CD, with 5 bonus tracks, some of the material there was now in stereo.  Great!  The stereo backing track for Little Honda was a real surprise that way.  But other tracks like Do It Again, Wild Honey, and Darlin' still were mono only
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ALL SUMMER LONG - Bad Mono Master? on: May 28, 2021, 07:11:58 AM
ASL

ALS is something completely different
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 07, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
"Also, how did Carl get the sole production credit for TTGA if Brian was involved all the way?"

because the song literally was stolen from Brian
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 06, 2021, 12:29:47 PM
if TTGA was truly finished it could've, and should've been left (the tapes that is) for Redwood, instead of Mike absconding with same.  Listening to it (on the 3 dog night CD) I get the distinct impression it wasn't quite done (there're parts that don't transition perfectly).  Hence the possible reason for the TTGA session that fateful day, and Mike not wanting Brian to work on it there anymore.  It is certainly true the song waited past the wild honey, past the friends (and technically past the stock-o-tracks) albums to find release eventually on 20/20.  It is also true the entire basic track was re-recorded when finally released on 20/20
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 06, 2021, 07:54:29 AM
as I understand it the redwood incident, where Mike (and Carl) confronted Brian in a hostile and demeaning way (being that the redwood members were just outside the door) was a Time To Get Alone recording session, and the song was nearly finished for them (as opposed to Darlin' which had the instrumental track done but needed more vocals).  And yet Mike & Carl took and walked away with the tapes for both songs then.  Why both?  They could've just taken the Darlin' tape(s) and leave TTGA tape behind for possible redwood release on Brother, at least for the time being.  Greedy?  Yes!  After all the Beach Boys didn't get around to doing anything with TTGA for at least another year (and in the end they re-recorded everything, duplicating the redwood instrumentation already done).  Quite insulting.

In 1967 Brian blundered when he couldn't complete SMiLE and backing out of Monterey Pop appearance at the last moment.  However it should be emphasized embarking on Redwood was not a blunder, far from it when one considers the enormous record success 3 Dog Night would enjoy starting just 2 yrs more time.  And the Brother Records label could've had a big piece of that pie thanks to Brians desire, vision, and music producing talent also in 1967.  Boy did his bandmates get things profoundly backwards
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 04, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
would Darlin' - both as a song and a Beach Boys recording - even have existed if it were not for Danny Hutton, and the need for Redwood to have a hit song with the start of their association w/ Brian?  I think not.  Remember the simple fact the song title emanates from Dannys' penchant for casually calling everybody 'Darlin', and Brian took that and quickly fashioned a song use then.  If it were not for that origin......no Darlin'

Check out 3 Dog Night's very first 45 "It's For You" from 1968.  It's a compact and catchy little a-capella rendition of a lennon/McCartney tune which showcases their own 3-voice blend exceptionally.  The very type of thing i'm sure Brian picked up on just a year earlier and figured he'd like to try producing himself (as Redwood)
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 03, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
I find it fascinating to ponder darlin' & TTGA both started as full-blown redwood recordings produced by brian alone, and at a time he was trying hard to bounce back from SMiLE project abortion and Monterey Pop cancellation

of course they were quality material songs and the Beach Boys as a group now had a template on which to base their renditions

Brian speaks in a most positive way (about Carl and Darlin') at least in part because for a very long time the original redwood versions were unknown to the beach boys public audience, so what else is there (to address)
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 03, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
Danny Hutton generally did not take the lead vocals on 3 dog night songs, it was corey wells or chuck Negron who sang.  everybody knows this.  

you can hear corey wells sing darlin' on a beach boys live concert video from the late '80s that's easy to access online (brian is there), when they hand the song off to 3 dog night (2 out of 3 members, chuck negron having disassociated himself)

and you can hear redwood sing Time To Get Alone, which as I recall is mostly chuck negrons voice although it does alternate, on the double CD celebrate the three dog night story (it has a slight unfinished quality, as if Brian was only 90% done producing it originally)

asserting that Darlin' belongs to Carl and him alone is worse than revisionist history, it's erasive history since that's exactly what happened--recorded redwood vocals were 'wiped' and replaced w/ the beach boys.  remember that darlin' was brians to do with as he wished, it being a re-write of a previously recorded melody of his Thinking 'Bout You Baby, likewise released by another singer (Sharon marie)
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 03, 2021, 06:58:46 AM
posts coming to the defense of Mike Love putting the ki-bosh on Brians' Redwood project back then

astonishing!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: April 26, 2021, 09:21:42 AM
"we all have bills to pay here"

the rest of the group will always have their bills to pay, it does not rule out Brian producing records for others.  Honeys record production may be viewed as an ongoing thing.  And later Carl produces 2 albums for The Flame

Danny Hutton once said Mike Love took him aside (since he was Brians close friend) and told him a Redwood 45 was possible, but not Brian producing an entire album for them (Danny apparently turned down the offer of just a 45).  So I wonder what song that 45 would've been--Time To Get Alone?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: April 26, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
"I have to give the songs to them.....They want the songs...., but I can't produce it. They won't let me."

to my mind it's one thing the rest of the group wanted those songs for the Beach Boys, but it's quite another thing they're preventing Brian from producing Redwood songs at all

The group was afraid of competition?  It doesn't exactly make sense since of course Brian had already produced records for other artists--glen campbell,  the Castells, Sharon marie, etc.  They didn't exactly get bent out of shape about those

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 30, 2021, 09:15:38 AM
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18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 30, 2021, 09:14:37 AM
for this upcoming Feel Flows box set I certainly hope none of the original master stereo mixes that Stephen desper meticulously engineered under carl Wilson approval are tampered with in the least.  you cannot improve on perfection

I found objectionable the remastering of Our Sweet Love for the 2009 comp. CD Summer Love Songs, since the quiet little percussion shake that nicely closed that sunflower song (I'd become so accustomed to) was (for all intents and purposes) excised.  WHY!?  FOR WHAT PURPOSE SERVED!?


19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: March 26, 2021, 07:01:20 AM
THIS COULD BE THE NIGHT was once called Brian Wilsons favorite spector production (listening to it it's easy to understand why).  Brian did it himself on the Harry Nilsson tribute CD (because Harry co-wrote the song, when he was working for Phil early on).  Harry himself tried recording TCBTN very late in his career, for an album apparently never officially released

TCBTN was used as the title theme song for the 1966 electronovision (b&w) movie THE BIG T.N.T. SHOW on which Spector was music producer (it's a sequel to the TAMI SHOW movie).  The Ronettes perform in TNT SHOW

But TCBTN, as originally recorded  by MFQ was never released as a record, although it was scheduled to be (presumably on Philles label) but cancelled the very day before (or so the story goes).  Reasons for this never went into detail except a major disagreement between the band and Phil.  Later in the '70s the song eventually snuck out on vinyl as a rarities track on a Phil Spector International import LP
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why didnt Sinatra record \ on: March 21, 2021, 03:45:09 PM
that song STILL I DREAM OF IT has a terrific melody i'd say for sure.  Maybe Sinatra misjudged at the time, but i'd also say lyrically it didn't impress me as much so maybe that's what gave Frank pause.  However it's important to emphasize Brian certainly did the right thing in submitting it for possibilities then

some years earlier Brain submitted another song for Andy Williams (which was also passed on), a song that is considered 'lost' now.  I wonder what that song sounded like
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My site updates 1967 on: March 10, 2021, 06:44:13 AM
"Right but Bluebirds as a single was a major mistake -that should have been Canít Wait Too Long. "

I imagine a 45 release then of Can't Wait Too Long b/w Bluebirds Over The Mountain.  Wow, that is a fantastic concept IMHO.  I wonder what Bruce Johnston would say to that
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Weird Smile Bootleg on: March 10, 2021, 06:37:18 AM
since SPRING re-issues have just been brought up here, this isn't the worst place for a reminder -

regarding that SPRING U.A. album what you really want to seek out is the original Vinyl issue, not any re-issues

I was lucky enough to buy it at a local store when it debuted

because the tracks have been substantially tampered with (for later CD appearances), specifically background vocals have been added

anybody who owns the old vinyl can easily do an A-B listening comparison (to the CD re-issue, with bonus tracks).  i'm a little surprised this recording fact doesn't get mentioned on this site
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 02, 2021, 06:41:32 AM
"This isn't a "guess the tracklisting!" thread."

of course it can and should be, whimsey, speculation knowledgeable or otherwise, wish lists are a good part of discussion process
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up- Lyrics at the end on: February 15, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
a diamond neck less played upon
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 28, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
who is to blame for the
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