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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 22, 2013, 06:06:53 AM
Who played what on Big Sur?
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Funniest/oddest Beach Boy moments in the studio on: July 27, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
"Syncopate? In front of all these people?"- Al Jardine

"Hey, would you take off that hat? You look like George Washington" I think that was Brian
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Other White Album songs Mike should have helped with on: July 24, 2013, 08:45:14 AM
Below is the "hidden" verse to "Mother Nature's Son" which can only be heard if you play the first side of the album (despite the actual track being on the second half) backwards and 10x the original speed. When hearing this verse at Abbey Road, Paul was frightened that it would burn down the studio and so he scrapped it.

Born a poor young Surfer Boy
Mother Lover's Son
All day long I'm sitting singing songs of fun, fun, fun

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: July 22, 2013, 07:32:37 AM
It's more or less true. Dennis was the only avid surfer. The others tried it but did not stick with it.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / We Got Love on: July 16, 2013, 07:49:25 AM
Consensus on this song? Definitely single material and I can't believe it was removed from the album. It's excellent.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles *sigh* on: July 11, 2013, 03:54:02 AM
I still prefer each member's solo albums much more. Ram is one of the best albums ever made in my opinion. Any Ram fans?
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Animal Collective on: July 11, 2013, 03:51:30 AM
MPP is good. But I prefer Sung Tongs so much more.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 25, 2013, 07:10:15 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   Wink



You best be joking about the last part, mate.

I am.......but if I wasn't?

I would be very flustered at my computer, run to my bed and sleep. Angrily.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: funny stuff you find on eBay on: June 25, 2013, 06:25:38 AM
Yikes, for $192 too. I would rather pay for a signed nappy that Summer In Paradise.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 25, 2013, 06:07:59 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   Wink


You best be joking about the last part, mate.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 25, 2013, 01:30:08 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Prestige is not the right word. But I mentioned The Beatles and Rolling Stones as being in a comparable category to the Beach Boys. I'd have to think about which other bands would fit in there, but you get the idea.

I'm not saying the group had no talent. And I know they all played a part in influencing the band's music (Mike as lyricist/frontman, Carl and David with rock n roll guitars, etc.). But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches, the Beach Boys consisted of one genius surrounded by a group of competent musicians. Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions. That even includes Sunflower, which although it could be argued is certainly one of the band's best albums, doesn't have individual songs which demonstrate the same level of dexterity as Brian's work. Once again, the band was capable of creating good music, but it simply didn't reach the same level of quality as the Brian-directed incarnation. Let me put it another way. The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

But that implies that the Rolling Stones and The Beatles are good bands...

The Beach Boys were robbed of their recognition and few people know of them today outside of the Anglo-sphere. In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out, at which Rolling Stone Magazine completely creams their shorts over and gives 5 out of 5 for everything, even including the Beatles' lame debut album on their top 500.

The world knows The Beach Boys through Brian, yes, but don't be a pleb and think that therefore only makes Brian songs good because they are well known. Don't make me get Piero Scaruffi on you.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 19, 2013, 03:05:38 AM
"Got To Know The Woman" is a great song. It's really fun and fits the mood of the album.

"Funky Pretty" gets really boring with the outro tag and the little electronic beeps are irritating.

The last two songs on "Friends" are really poor.

The spoken word part of the California Saga is fantastic. It adds to the mystique and wonder of the trilogy and really sets a tone of Big Sur and California.

Carl And The Passions- So Tough is a really good album. The songs are really amazing.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and Mike's relationship on: April 23, 2013, 08:55:05 PM
Better yet, what was Dennis and Al's relationship?

uhh... big brother/ short brother?

Fine! How was Dennis and Al's relationship? It feels like they never interacted.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and Mike's relationship on: April 23, 2013, 08:33:38 PM
Better yet, what was Dennis and Al's relationship?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys VS The Beatles on: March 17, 2013, 06:40:03 AM
If it was Mike vs Mick Jagger, Mick would be too chicken sh*t to even fight.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Freddie Slaughters The Beach Boys - UPDATE (Little Saint Nick) on: January 06, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
You sound like Zappa.
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Best Beatles Solo Albums. on: December 31, 2012, 09:41:40 PM
Ram
Band On The Run
All Things Must Pass
Plastic Ono Band
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #13: Wild Honey on: December 23, 2012, 04:13:06 PM
1. Aren't You Glad
2. Darlin'
3. Let The Wind Blow
4. Country Air
5. Wild Honey
6. I'd Love Just Once To See You
7. Here Comes The Night
8. How She Boogalooed It
9. I Was Made To Love Her
10. A Thing Or Two
11. Mama Says

I think "Mama Says" is a pretty weak ending, now putting "The Letter" instead is much better and finishes off that Soul-feel the album carries.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If they'd had a strong manager in 1967-70 (who wasn't Brian's dad)? on: December 23, 2012, 07:35:19 AM
I'm thinking Stan Polley from Badfinger.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #11: Pet Sounds on: December 14, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
1. I'm Waiting For The Day
2. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
3. God Only Knows
4. Caroline, No
5. Wouldn't It Be Nice?
6. That's Not Me
7. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
8. Here Today
9. I Know There's An Answer
10. Sloop John B
11. You Still Believe In Me
12. Let's Go Away For A While
13. Pet Sounds

Like most here, this is my favourite album of all time and found it so hard to rank, however I managed in the end and think every track is brilliant. The instrumentals are phenomenal. I think "I'm Waiting For The Day" is my favourite just for the timpani and the drums, the outro, the fantastic lyrics by Mike, the brilliant singing from Brian and the amount feeling conjured by this sad yet wishful song.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: late 1960s- early 1970s British psychedelic/progressive rock on: December 10, 2012, 12:34:14 AM
King Crimson is by far the greatest and least indulgent Prog band. They're the most technically great and have none of the cheeziness like Yes and Genesis.

In The Court > Red > Larks' > In The Wake > Lizard > Starless > Islands

That's not to say that the others are bad, "Close To The Edge" is fantastic and so is "Foxtrot".

Faust is pretty good, for Krautrock.

"Pawn Hearts" by Van Der Graaf Generator is another top album.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #9: Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) on: December 10, 2012, 12:16:23 AM
1. Let Him Run Wild- Pop at its finest, it's amazing and one of Brian's best.
2. Help Me Rhonda- Amazing hook with terrifically raw and killing vocals from Al. Justice is served,
3. California Girls- The intro, the chorus and the lyrics aren't that bad. Beach Boys finest.
4. You're So Good To Me- Amazing song with a lovely intro and a great chorus. Should have been a big hit.
5. The Girl From New York City- Amazing intro to the album and great vocals.
6. And Your Dreams Come True- Amazing harmony and voices.
7. Summer Means New Love- An amazing instrumental.
8. I'm Bugged At My Old Man- A really fun and humorous song, don't know why it's given such a bad rap.
9. Girl Don't Tell Me- A pretty boring, weak and tiresome song (like most of the Beatles' catalogue) and it shows as a Beatles imitation. Poor lyrics and poor melody.
10. Then I Kissed Her- Great vocals by Al and good instrumentation. Never a fan of the original, weak lyrics.
11. Amusement Parks USA- "Lllllllet's take your car..." I love that part, it falters later.
12. Salt Lake City- Lame melody and lame lyrics. Awful.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best of Brian playlist I am working on, input would be thanked and appreciated on: December 04, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
Hello fellow fans,

I am working on a playlist to share with my friends to highlight the compositional skills of the master of harmony himself Mr. Brian Wilson.  I want to select works from across his career that showcase his ability to craft beautiful songs.  Specifically, I am looking to include pieces that exemplify his mastery of harmony, innovative production techniques, technical prowess, and the ability to capture both moods and scenes into musical form.

Here is what I have compiled based on my own opinion.  I would love to hear what other songs you think I should include, and which I should take out? 

Cheers,
O'leary

I Get Around
Fun, Fun, Fun
Surfer Girl
The Warmth of the Sun
Little Deuce Coupe
In My Room
Don't Worry Baby
She Knows Me Too Well
Please Let Me Wonder
Help Me, Rhonda
The Little Girl I Once Knew
California Girls
[Pet Sounds]
[Smile]
Time To Get Alone
Break Away
This Whole World
All I Wanna Do
Good Time
Our Sweet Love
Cool, Cool Water
A Day in the Life of a Tree
Til I Die
The Night Was So Young
I'll Bet He's Nice
Rio Grande
From Think About the Days
From There to Back Again
Pacific Coast Highway
Summer's Gone





 Cry Smiley Azn Azn

Definitely In The Back Of My Mind and Caroline, No.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #8: Today! on: December 03, 2012, 07:13:26 AM
1. In The Back Of My Mind - Oh man, the feelings this song conjures. The melody is so haunting and gorgeous and the fragility of Dennis' voice nails it.
2. Kiss Me Baby - The lyrics, the chorus and the trading of lines is amazing.
3. Please Let Me Wonder - So loving and sweet but the solo kind of kills it. The solo is like the album version of Wendy, awful (See the Ed Sullivan Show version)
4. When I Grow Up To Be A Man - A theme well done and with a great tag and ending coda.
5. She Knows Me Too Well - Amazing melody and great vocal performances by both Brian and Mike.
6. Good To My Baby - One of the best choruses in any song.
7. Dance Dance Dance - A fun little track with a good, catchy riff and great use of key changes.
8. Do You Wanna Dance - A great rocker, although Dennis is drowned out.
9. I'm So Young - I prefer the alternate version on the Twofer, to be honest.
10. Help Me Ronda - The Summer Days (And Summer Nights !!) version is much better. Drags on much too long and those false endings annoy the heck out of me.
11. Don't Hurt My Little Sister - Risque lyrics which don't go well with kinda poor backing.
12. Bull Sessions - Actually pretty funny, I enjoy each second but gets placed here because it isn't a song. "Everything's gonna be alright, Marilyn".
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How Could the Beach Boys Have Kept Themselves Relevant after 1966? on: December 02, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Random memories: I don't think there's anything they could have done.  They were seen as squares as the youth movement became Stalinist in 1968 and narrowed what was acceptable entertainment... 

They were seen as squares because they released stripped down albums with weird tunings and nonsensical songs RIGHT when the Pop music scene expanded on BRIAN'S work.  "1966 is when Pop music became art."  Brian was responsible for that!  And how does "he" follow up the greatest Pop album of all time?  "Getting Hungry"!

OK fine.  Like I said, give the band a one album pass.  After all, they're one of the absolute biggest bands in the world at the time.  Then they put out an almost unplugged album with the above mentioned weird tunings with a TOTALLY produced, commercial single right smack in the middle of it and send "Wild Honey" to the radio stations instead!  As noted, "Darlin'" DOES become a hit (but not to the degree it deserved) and instead of taking the GIANT CLUE fans just sent them, the follow it up with ANOTHER "down home" album and single (neither of which sound like "Darlin'") and they BOTH BOMB, charting lower than any album OR a-side before them!  "Darlin'" SHOWS that the fans knew what they wanted but the Boys failed to deliver time and time again until the record buying fans gave up on them. 

People can dog 20/20 for not sounding cohesive but that was when the band finally started getting their sh!t together and making commercial AND artistically fulfilling music again.  There's a whole other thread on "20/20 through Holland" on the front page right now.  Unfortunately, by then it was too late and the hillbilly stomp of "Bluebirds Over The Mountain" was the final straw.  So again, "What could they have done?"  It's not rocket science.  Look at the numbers! 

Heroes and Villains (old school Brian, tho stops and starts don't make it great for radio)     #12 US      #8 UK
Gettin' Hungry (weird, silly, eperimental, NOT comercial, not even credited to the band!)    Doesn't chart in US OR UK
Wild Honey (stripped WAY down, weird tuning, whiteboy R&B)                                        #31              #29
Darlin' (fully produced TOTALLY commercial single)                                                       #19              #11 (a marked improvement)
Friends (stripped down again, wimpy tho marvelous harmonies, out of step lyrics)              #47              #25 (ouch)
Do It Again (SUPER commercial, old school formula, etc.)                                               #20              #1 (!)
Bluebirds Over The Mountain (THIS is how they follow DIA???)                                        #61              #33 (so much for a comeback)
I Can Hear Music (THIS should have been the follow up!)                                               #24              #10 (very respectable return)

I'd bet my life ICHM would have charted higher if it was released before BOTM.  The fact that it did as well as it did is proof of just how great it was.  But by this point most of the fans moved on and those who hadn't were about to.  UK fans, being more faithful and forgiving, hung around for two more singles but that was it.

Break Away (Such a shame)                                                                                #63              #6
Add Some Music to Your Day (too little to late)                                                      #64              Did not chart.
Cottonfields (released not by the group but by their FORMER label!)                           #103(!)          #1

Oh well.  At this point at least they're still big overseas.  Capitol proved it.  How do the Boys follow it?

Slip On Through (Not even the best Dennis song on the album!)
Tears In The Morning (Really?!?!)
Cool, Cool Water (Like "Give Peace A Chance" it's a nice chorus but BARELY a song, much less a commercial one!)

Unsurprisingly, none of the above managed to chart.  And unsurprising for the Beach Boys, ALL THREE of those last singles had some of the best, most commercial songs from the album ("This Whole World", "It's About Time" and "Forever") as their B-SIDES! 

Apart from "Darlin'" and "Break Away" (and ASMTYD, which apparently just wasn't single material) it's like they actively TRIED to chase away their casual fans by releasing uncommercial stuff on purpose!

I think a release of All I Want To Do from 20/20 would have charted well in the UK, perhaps the US.
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