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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: March 05, 2014, 07:16:42 AM

For whatever reason, I'm not really even in to Carl's vocals on it.  They're just a little off, not off key or anything of course, but they just don't quite get where they should be.  I don't know if they recorded the song in a weird key that Carl wasn't as good at, or what it is, but they just don't quite 'get there'.  Even the little "You Still Believe In Me" flourish on the end doesn't sound as great as the original song. 

What?! Really? What exactly do you find "a liitle off" about Carl's vocal? His pitch is perfect. His phrasing is beautiful. He sings each line with that sensitive breath control that only Carl could pull of so well. And regarding the key of the song, it actually modulates to a higher key, and he sounds equally amazing in BOTH keys. Anyway, the key a song is in is not a factor for a singer at Carl's level of ability. Maybe the range of the melody in a particular key but no key is easier to sing than another. The intervals all transpose equally.

I guess it's a subjective thing whether you like his vocal or not, but it's clearly a quality performance by Carl. Maybe his vocal shines even more because Mike's vocal is rather weak.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: March 04, 2014, 08:19:36 AM
What makes the song is Carl's vocal. When he comes in with "They say that Brian is back" it takes a very mediocre song to a whole new level. And then his YSBIM falsetto line at the end is spine-tinglingly good!

So that's why I don't like the MIC version. Carl's vocal was brought down in the mix for some inexplicable reason.
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dolenz does Wild Honey!!!! on: February 27, 2014, 07:14:05 PM
I think Mickey did a damn fine job. Not only did he hit the notes but he also had the enthusiasm and energy of a twenty year old! It's a f***** hard tune to pull off convincingly and I would say he pretty much nailed it.

129  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: RIP Harold Ramis on: February 24, 2014, 01:52:24 PM
It's always saddest when it's someone who provided so much laughter to your life.  Cry
130  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Denni redux on: February 21, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Hey, Billy, thanks for clearing that up. How bizarre! I just got the impression that you guys were hanging out - not just "online" friends.

Jon mentioned in the other thread that he put her in touch with the Wilson family. I wonder if any of them actually met her. I feel bad for Jon now too.

What a weird deal.
131  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Denni redux on: February 21, 2014, 02:35:47 PM
I'm still confused. In the thread that I posted a link to, Billy says "To be honest, a lot of times I forget that she's Dennis's daughter...I know Denni as Denni . Threads like this, although well intentioned (at least I hope) make me a bit uncomfortable. She's one of the nicest people I know, and this world needs more people like her."

So it sounds like he knows her pretty well. But what about these "stolen" photos (referred to in this thread) that were determined to actually be a 20 year old college student from CA? Did the same Denni that Billy knows post these, claiming they were pictures of herself? And if so, would Billy not know immediately that his friend Denni was not really Dennis's daughter?

Sorry if I'm missing some of the story here. I'm just having a hard time reconciling the info in this thread with the one from July, 2012.
132  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Denni redux on: February 21, 2014, 12:13:25 PM
Maybe I'm confused but isn't this imposter the same Denni that you, Billy C., said you were good friends with?

Here's the thread:,13664.msg297317.html#msg297317
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album. on: February 21, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
"Chicken Little had a big day today"  -Owsley
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's sick to death of hearing about the beatles....!? on: February 13, 2014, 09:05:22 PM
I still had such mixed feelings watching the Grammy special on CBS <snip> but some (or most if not all) of those bands and singers sounded awful.

Really? Did you hear Jeff Lynne, Joe Walsh, and Dhani Harrison perform "Something"?
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's sick to death of hearing about the beatles....!? on: February 13, 2014, 09:10:47 AM
A couple days ago I ran across this interview Larry King did with Julian Lennon last year.

A few minutes into the interview, Larry King asks him about the Beatles and what they had musically that set them apart from everyone else. After commenting on what a great question that is, Julian provides a very thoughtful answer about how the Beatles seemed to pull all these things out of the ether and doing things that nobody else was doing, etc........ except........wait for it........ the Beach Boys.

So everyone can relax. Even John Lennon's son recognizes the unique musical contributions both groups made back in the day. I knew Sean was a big fan but I had never heard Julian single the BBs out as equal musical innovators with the Beatles.
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why was Carl at the bottom of the harmony stack? on: February 07, 2014, 06:48:36 PM
Hey Adam, how's it going? Thanks for concurring. Grin  It's so cool to see that I'm not the only one that obsesses over these finer details.

Honestly, though, there are so many recordings that I can't tell who's singing what. It's just a heavenly blend of perfection.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Remembering Carl Wilson on: February 07, 2014, 06:36:19 PM
Who gives a sh*t! It's old news using "u's" where they don't belong.

You know, all through the C50 show that I saw in Berkeley in 2012, I kept thinking about Carl. The last time I'd seen the Beach Boys in 1997, Carl was with them - in fact all the way back to when I first saw them in the early 70's. So if you were use to seeing that line-up all those just seemed like Carl was missing.  He just belonged up there next to Mike and Al and Bruce.  There was a missing link and it was obvious. Carl woulda loved it. I really think he would have loved that tour. And of course Dennis too. It was just a weird feeling watching the band with a integral figures missing. Especially Carl. The vocals were very good, but it just wasn't the same without Clem.

I felt the exact same way, Mikie. I had seen so many Beach Boys shows since the first one at the Summit in Houston in 1978 up to the last one with Carl in Dallas, TX in 1997, that it just seemed a little sad at the C50 show I saw in Houston. Don't get me wrong. It was very cool to be on the front row seeing all the guys together again; but Carl was always such a huge, integral part of a Beach Boys concert that there was no denying that it just wasn't the real deal.

Carl was such a huge talent, so gifted. There was no replacing him vocally, as well as his calm, cool, leadership he brought to every show.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why was Carl at the bottom of the harmony stack? on: February 07, 2014, 05:47:51 PM
Wow, I had no idea Carl sang lower.  

This is how I've always heard it.

Take "In My Room":

Brian ends up highest, then Carl, then Dennis and Al, and then Mike.

"Help Me, Rhonda" (in the backing)

Brian highest, Carl right under, Al (lead), Dennis, Mike.

and then in the refrain: Brian highest, Al (lead), Carl, Dennis, and Mike.

Actually, on the intro to "In My Room", Dennis sings a higher part then Carl. Brian starts it, of course, then Carl comes in on a higher part, then Dennis comes in on the highest of the three parts. Then Mike comes in low and and it seems Carl and Dennis shift down to parts lower than Brian, with Dennis probably lower than Carl, and doubled by Al - which is what I think you were getting at. When they sang the song live in the '70s and very early '80s, Dennis and Carl switched parts in the intro, obviously because by then Dennis' voice was much deeper (or hoarse, if you prefer).

On "Surfer Girl", doesn't Carl sing the part immediately below Brian's, with Dennis down one from him?

I don't think that's really accurate, c-man, regarding "In My Room". Brian sings the melody, i.e. the highest part the entire song. He starts on a B by himself (There's a world where), and then he goes up a major third to D# and Carl comes in on the B (I can go and), and then Brian goes up to an F#, Carl goes up to a D#, and Dennis comes in on the B (tell my secrets to). then Mike comes in on the bass part and they keep this same relationship the entire song. Did Al even sing on the original recording? It's clearly 4-part harmony and I don't detect any doubling as Carl and Dennis's voices are very clear.

On "Surfer Girl" it sounds like Dennis is singing the part above Carl. You can hear him very clearly at the end of the intro. It's hard to tell.

It's such a beautiful, classic Beach Boys blend though. I've heard it a million times but it still gives me chills.
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: love and mercy movie on: January 21, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
Brian Wilson is not schizophrenic.

I'm not an expert on these things, but I believe if a person hears audible voices in their head, then there is a "schizo" element to their mental illness.
140  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Foreigner - Waiting For A Girl Like You (cover) on: January 14, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
I think over the years I've developed something close to perfect pitch, probably more like relative pitch. The chorus lick just sounded like G-A-C-A to my ears but I went to my keyboard to confirm.  Smiley

Anyway, you've got killer vocal chops and great musical instincts, so I think the sky's the limit for you. I hope you find a larger audience and the success that genuine talent like yours deserves. In the meantime, I look forward to anything else you decide to share!

141  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Foreigner - Waiting For A Girl Like You (cover) on: January 13, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
You, my friend, are incredibly gifted. I've been checking your stuff out here for a while now but I don't think I've ever commented. I was blown away by your "My Cherie Amour" cover a while back, and everything since. I would kill for your vocal range (nailing some high C's in this cover!), and you seem to be quite an amazing multi-instrumentalist as well. I encourage you to pursue your musical dreams to the fullest because it's clear you are a musician 100%.

Thanks for sharing your music and I look forward to seeing what's next for you!


142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracks that feature a \ on: January 03, 2014, 07:22:29 AM
One of the best BW backing vocals, "Adios" by Linda Ronstadt, features a wall of Brian's. 

I would say THE best. A masterful arrangement, performance, and recording. The fact that it was a very well-written and beautiful song no doubt inspired Brian.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Eric Carmen with Brian's band for 2014 on: December 26, 2013, 07:01:34 AM
Some key changes not unlike 'Warmth Of The Sun" in style to these ears. Very nice!

That's exactly what I thought the first time I heard it! He just repeats the same classic chordal sequence (I-vi --modulation-- I-vi) over and over. Just a different modulation than Brian used. I believe I actually hear an augmented chord thrown in there too!

It makes for some interesting harmonic changes, but not as seemingly effortless and smooth as WOTS.
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BW chat contest on Christmas Eve on: December 16, 2013, 06:55:29 PM
Am I the only individual who simply does not see the point of this contest?  What are you even supposed to *say* to Brian?  How "controlled" will this conversation be?  Do you get more than 2 minutes with him?  How many disconnected, automated responses should we expect to hear from him?  Bah humbug!

I also got a call from Brian during the Katrina fundraiser, and you got it all wrong, Awesoman. The conversation was very real and natural - not at all "controlled". No disconnected, automated responses, as you suggest.

I asked Brian about the process of writing "Our Prayer". He said he did it at the piano, and as he typically does, he quantified it in number of minutes to complete. I believe he said it took about 1.5 hours to write.

I actually recorded the conversation with one of those suction cup phone recorders.

He was very gracious, real, and thanked me for my donation. It was very cool!
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beachboys. To headline annual Louisville Beatle tribute on: December 14, 2013, 06:55:03 PM
Will Mike tell the story of suggesting Back in the USSR lyrics?

Yes, of course he will.

will they try to perform it?

Let's hope not.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 69th Birthday, Dennis Wilson! on: December 04, 2013, 07:18:05 AM
I suspect Dennis, especially, would have enjoyed hitting the 69 mark.  Wink

Seriously though, I was so heartbroken when Dennis died. The Beach Boys had brought me so much joy through my life, I was truly a fanatic, and I saw his death as the end of the group. There were a lot of good times after his passing but it was certainly never the same.
147  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: frankie valli on: November 21, 2013, 08:53:57 PM
I heard this same line-up live a couple years ago and it was all clearly performed live. The band, the singers, are all top notch pros. Yes, they do put a drastic EQ on Mr. Valli's voice, making it really cut through, but there's nothing unusual about this level of performance. These guys are well-rehearsed and can sing each part equally as well. They sing quite a bit of unison with Frankie too.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sinatra recorded \ on: November 21, 2013, 02:39:14 PM

Sorry, I had no audio when I initially posted. Looks like allmusic screwed up the song credit.

(now returning to lurker mode)  Embarrassed
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Sinatra recorded "You and I"? on: November 21, 2013, 02:28:16 PM
Forgive me if this is common knowledge (could not find any mention of it here after doing a search), but while perusing I found a Dennis Wilson composer credit on a Framk Sinatra album!

Has anybody heard this or even heard of it? Strikes me as rather bizarre.

Funny how Brian wrote a tune with the intention of having Sinatra record it, yet Sinatra apparently chose one of Dennis's songs.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mini-Review and Mark Linett Comments On The Box Set - TapeOp Magazine on: October 02, 2013, 06:27:38 PM

"It's OK" is not a new remix.

Well it's new to this release. OK, so after checking the liner notes again I see it says "1976 Alternate Mix". I just saw "Alternate Mix" beside the title and assumed it was a new remix. Like all the other "Alternate" mixes on the set.

"Brian's Back" was not on the '93 box.

Oops, I meant "Endless Harmony".

Man, you guys are good!
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