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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How well-known was The BBs' usage of recycled/vintage tracks, pre-internet? on: June 28, 2016, 12:16:40 PM
This magazine started me down that rabbit hole. There was a fantastic article by Mr. Reum that tracked down and listed those outtakes that were known and Brian Wilson's rare outside productions. I still have my copy.

27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations 50th Anniversary global commemorative release announced on: June 27, 2016, 04:47:16 PM
We could just get this? LOL!

28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Liner notes on 50th Pet Sounds Boxset on: June 23, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Back in the 1990's, we use to think that the live concert (Mike Love Not War) and Live From Michigan State was in fact live from Michigan State University.  Then in the 1993 GV Box, we found out that the concert happened on 10/22/66 at the University Of Michigan and the tracks were released later Endless Harmony were credited as such. Now on the new PS box, it says that 3 tracks were recorded at Michigan State on 10/22/66. The guys at Cap need to only let Alan Boyd write the liners. This was not a well put together package, aside from the session notes and great remastering.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos of Brian Wilson you can find on: June 22, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
When Mike shaved his beard, he looked alot younger. So did Al and Brian Dennis, not so much. Too much hard living.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos of Brian Wilson you can find on: June 22, 2016, 12:15:33 AM
Here is photo I came across on the 'net that really took me aback. It is a photo of Brian from the fall of 1982.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos of Brian Wilson you can find on: June 22, 2016, 12:10:58 AM
The early 1982 Beach Boys. They were barely hanging on.....Mike even filed for bankruptcy that year.

32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love’s 2016 solo project on: June 20, 2016, 09:35:38 PM
Sugar Ray has a BB connection. Carl's first wife Annie remarried and is step-mother to Sugar Ray's Murphy Karges.

Pretty sure they did a version of Little Saint Nick too.

Mark recorded a version of Getcha Back for Herbie Fully Loaded (2005).

Michael Lloyd is a producer that worked those 70s Wall Of Sound productions for Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett. In the 80s, he produced Belinda Carlisle's first LP away from the Go-Gos with the great single Mad About You. So he can get that Beach Boys sound. He produced Leif doing Surfin' USA and Shaun doing It's Like Heaven.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50th Boxset - CD problems on: June 19, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
I just wrote the following review on Amazon about this boxset. Cap screwed us again!

Universal / Capitol Records ruin another great boxset with shoddy manufacturing.
Date: June 19, 2016
Format: Audio CD|Verified Purchase

This boxset is impeccably mastered by Mark H. Linett, as always. Mark is so familiar with this material that quite honestly, those of us that have been lifetime Beach Boys / Brian Wilson devotees don't really want anyone else doing this. Mark comes thru for us every time.

That said, it seems that Universal Music is doing what every corporation is doing in this day and age. Giving the job of production to the lowest bidder, regardless of the actual quality of the end product. These CDs are some of the worst I have seen. I have returned a set and received another with the same issues. Disc 1 has what is knows as CD ROT (Disc rot is a phrase describing the tendency of a CD to become unreadable due to physical or chemical deterioration). Disc 3 in both sets were scratched like they had been dragged across a gravel. This comes after the Beach Boys box set Made In California issued in 2013 where one disc was improperly mastered causing the last two tracks to end before the end of the song. There was a recall on the disc that took forever to get the new disc out to people. Now here another wonderful box ruined by shoddy production.

Amazon has been wonderful with the returns and Mark Linett did a fantastic job. Capitol, get your act together. Some of us don't want 256 kbps downloads but 1411 kbps wave files. How hard is that?Huh?
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in the late '70s -early '80s. on: June 18, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
I know Brian had to tour because he needed the cash flow. He hated it. But he needed to do something during this time. We now know his actions, what ever they were, came from a brain that was just trying to survive mental illness. Drugs , anger and everything else was caused by that illness. Hell, there are still some from that time who don't believe Brian was truly ill.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50th Boxset - CD problems on: June 18, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
My disc 3 also had a drop of glue on it, like the glue used to hold the book together.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: For Stephen Desper - Carl and the 1972 Pet Sounds master. on: June 18, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
Thanks Stephen, your the best.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: For Stephen Desper - Carl and the 1972 Pet Sounds master. on: June 17, 2016, 05:13:01 PM
good question. I wonder what Steve thinks of 'all' of these releases if he has heard them at all, and especially now the 72' version
is back in circulation.
COMMENT:  I don't keep up with it very much. I downloaded some of the hi-res stuff and have one of the so-called modern made LP's. But frankly since I have mastering equipment in my listening studio / theater that can make any of the releases sound better than the original, why bother with other releases. Some of this equipment is of my own design and some is optimized (modified) professional equipment. I have sources for obtaining flat transfers, and of those I have heard it makes no sense to pine over any of the new releases when I can improve the sound, bring out every nuance, and generally shape the sonic signature to sound superior compared to anything commercially available today.

However I do find some of the comments I get back about the songs on the Study-Videos of interest. For the most part those comments say that what the listener is hearing is preferred over the new and recent releases on vinyl or hi-res. This is typical when you master (or re-master) for music rather than sound. The commercial re-issues try to be true to the original, but if it's stuff I've recorded, since the mastering house doesn't have access to the playback matrix they can't resole the master anyway, so right off the bat they are doomed to strike out. If it's something other than my recording, I can still toy outside-of-the-box, not being hand-tied by contracts, producers or history. Case in point, listen to Friends via a recent release and Friends on the Study-Video. You tell me which you prefer. You see, mastering can be very playful with the music, if you let it ... and if you exercise mastering as an art-form rather than a science ... or perhaps I should say, you let the science support the art -- be an artisan, not an engineer.

Certainly I'm not in competition with anyone or any company making new re-issues available to the marketplace, nor do I wish to be. I think they are doing a service to the music industry by providing a re-energizing of classic originals. However, I do believe that for those few-in-number diehard fans that may enjoy a different perspective, the Study-Videos serve a purpose. 

But did you work on the 1972 PET SOUNDS remaster with Carl. Thanks.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / For Stephen Desper - Carl and the 1972 Pet Sounds master. on: June 16, 2016, 11:05:16 PM
Stephen, I know you were wrapping up your gig with the group around the time of the Carl And The Passions LP. Where you involved at all with the mastering of Pet Sounds for re-release on Warners in 1972? It is that master that was used on the recent PS boxset for the mono mix, and it is held in high regard by us old time nuts as one of the best sounding vinyl versions of the LP.
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thoughts on Dennis (previous question) on: June 16, 2016, 11:01:20 PM
Stephen, there was talk at the time of Surf's Up that Dennis wanted Live Again (or maybe some other song of his) to close out the LP. When Carl refused, Dennis withdrew his compositions. I am guessing that this is not true.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in the late '70s -early '80s. on: June 16, 2016, 10:56:01 PM
Ian, I saw them on March 17th 1982 at the Summit here in Houston. Brian was not on stage that night, so it was down to Dennis to hold up the Wilson end. He was pretty drunk. I have posted this before, so sorry if you have heard it. When Mike got ready to do Be My Baby from his LP, he said that they had not rehearsed it much, so "If you have to take a piss, now would be the time".

Brian was wild on April 14th, 1978 at the Summit (this was right after that wonderful tour of Australia. It was also my first BB concert ever. I was so bummed out. When I went to my internship the next day at KILT here in Houston, I talked with a DJ who had dinner with the group the night before. He said after they ate, Brian ordered 5 white russians (cuz they tasted like milk shakes). When they arrived, he downed them 1-2-3-4-5 (within 2 minutes). Then he got up and headed out to the limo. So that may have had something to do with how he acted.

Mike and Brian in Houston, 1978.

Brian in Houston, Feb 1981. The year he broke my heart because he was SO out of it before the concert when I met him.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian in the late '70s -early '80s. on: June 15, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
I came across an OLD thread about Brian playing with the group after the 76 comeback. I would love to hear from some others their experiences with seeing them during this period. I saw them every year from 1978 to 1984. Some days were great, most were not. I still remember one highlight was when they added Hawaii into the rotation in 1979 and Brian did a great falsetto on it. That was so cool.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50th Boxset - CD problems on: June 15, 2016, 10:55:00 PM
I sent my discs back to amazon and am waiting for another set. I finally noticed disc three looked like someone had raked it across gravel.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Pet Sounds 50th Boxset - CD problems on: June 12, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
Anyone else having trouble ripping the new boxset? The CDs seem to play ok, but I can't seem to rip them. I have tried numerous PCs in my house and numerous software packages. Just wonder if I got a bad set or is this a bigger issue. Also, on the mono LP, God Only Knows has a loud glitch at the front of the track. Is that on everyone's version?
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Denny/Brian's issues and the band's late '70s/early '80s tragectory on: February 20, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
Everyone (including me) always wants to blame Mike and Al for the Wilson brothers issues, saying those two were taking the band down the oldies surf and car route. Man I know I always railed against them. But as you get older, you start to realize some thing.

There were 5 people in the band. If 2 want to do one thing and the other three don't, the 3 win. But, the 3 have to be well enough to take command. And they weren't. Not blaming them, they we abused and mentally ill. But those are the facts. So the two who were sober took over.

Brian said in many interviews in the 70's he was amazed that Carl, Dennis and Al didn't want to do the older hits and wanted to do the late 60's and early 70's tunes. He said in one interview the needed to be proud of their "thing"  and perform the oldies. He went against this in the 80's, but that had the air of Landy directing him, as he added he thought all of his old songs were stupid, which he now says is not true.

Guercio pushed them into doing more oldies back in '74. He was the first one to push this.
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Question For AGD on: February 20, 2016, 01:19:25 PM
In 1981 I was trading concert tapes and vhs videos with some around the country. One of my contacts called me to plan a trip to come and see him. He said he had something he really wanted me to hear. By the time I got there, he had even more for me to hear.

First tape he played was the one we call the fire tapes. While still reeling from that, he played tape #2. This tape had the talking horns session, surf's up , holidays and the don't talk session. It was so earth shattering. He told me he SWORE that he would not make copies of it for anyone. He also promised to keep the tapes under wraps, but, he made an exception for me.

About a year later, he called again. He had a tape of the 12/66 comp Brian had made. It was again understood no copies were to be made. Still was earth shattering.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What collaborations/projects have the BBs turned down? on: January 23, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
Having Lindsey Buckingham, Val Garey, or Barry Gibb produce an LP in 1982. Although Carl did use WHAT YOU DO TO ME, a song that Val brought to the group for them to record.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 21, 2016, 08:28:18 PM
I don't want to run anyone off. Not my goal either. Just wanted to add my voice. Rocky can be here as well as anyone else. We don't have to agree with everyone here.

I have told this story numerous times but it bears repeating. In 1981, Dennis was back with the group. I walked up to him in the Hyatt hotel lobby and asked him to sign my copy of Pet Sounds. He took the lp from me and tossed it across the lobby like a frissbe. I walked over slowly, picked up the lp cover, walked back to Dennis and said DENNY, SIGN THIS AND CUT THE sh*t!!!!!.

He signed the lp and hugged me saying you're alright kid.

He was an ass. But he was also so freakin' wounded inside. The being an asshole was to keep people from getting too close. He gave Brian drugs cuz misery loves company.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 21, 2016, 07:18:21 PM
Here is the bottom line. These were not emotionally intelligent people. Saying Carl, Marilyn et al were stupid would not be true. But there was just alot of denial. Brian is a drug addict, nothing more. They were all doing nothing but putting a bandaid on a burst artery. Yes Rocky and everyone was in the trenches and we weren't. And we are Monday morning quarterbacking.

But when sh*t is going down, you need to step back and figure out WTF is going on. Melinda said it best. If Brian had cancer they would have shot him up to UCLA real quick.  I keep thinking about an oil exec here in town that told his son's shrink to tell his son to knock off this bipolar sh*t and suck it up. The man's son's shrink was a friend of mine. The exec was a college educated man, not stupid, but was sure that all this mental illness stuff was a scam. Some people around Brian seemed to think the same.

Again, these were not worldly people. Only when Shilling and Hullet came along did they finally get it. But they should have gone to UCLA or some hospital instead of Landy.

49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 21, 2016, 03:24:18 PM
Wow came into this conversation late. Interesting reading. I want to add my two cents for what its worth.

Having suffered from depression myself, I can understand the problems people have coming to terms with it. Back in the 70's and 80's, it was not the thing to tell anyone about. And even the doctors didn't always know what to do.  I slogged thru until I was able to find the right doctors and have had it under control since the early '90s. But I can tell you, its a MF to get thru. Even I didn't understand it all at the time.

With Brian (I will leave Dennis out of this, that is a whole other story), I don't believe he had a drug or alcohol problem. And Marilyn's, Dr. Landy and Stephen Love's treating him like he did was not the way to go. Hiring people to watch over Brian to make sure he didn't get high or wasted was the exact wrong thing to do. We know much more now then we did back then. Schizoaffective disorder wasn't even recognized until the early '90s. People that heard voices etc were diagnosed as Schizophrenic and treated as such. Brian was treated as such. But he could never turn off the voices so he chose the self medication route.  That is where the drug taking came from. It was a symptom, not the real disease. Had Brian been treated in a hospital setting from the get-go, things might have been different. We know that he was hospitalized in the late 60's and may have even had ECT. But I would think that by the mid 70's, some of the doctors at UCLA would have been able to help. But there was that thing of keeping it all quite. Which was weird to because EVERYBODY knew about it. It was all over in the magazines etc that Brian was "CRAZY".

The people around Brian were not very attuned to that issue. I will stop short of saying they weren't smart. But if your car keeps rolling backward out into the street, you don't buy bigger bricks to put behind the tires to keep it from rolling, you fix the BRAKES! Stan, Rocky, etc were just trying to keep the car from rolling back. No one thought to fix the brakes.

As for Dennis, I keep thinking of something Robert Downey Jr said when he went to jail (remember how many times he went over the edge, and look at him now). He told the judge that drugs to him were dangerous, but, "Its like sticking a gun in my mouth and pulling back the trigger cause I like the way the gun barrel tastes". So did Dennis. And if Murry was you father, you would get high too.
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Only one place in all of London? on: January 21, 2016, 11:20:52 AM
So, was there only one place in London that EMI took pictures of their recording stars at? Just wondering.

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