Charles Manson rambling about Satanists and the Beach Boys around 00:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tjtqNz7NAw

Gotta say though...

Wasn't sure what to make of his references to his cousins drug/alcohol abuse in printed interviews before.  Seemed ambiguous

Take a look at this however... his behavior/comments are downright deplorable (especially considering the context in which he's making the comments)

 
 
whoa this guys a real jerk

Sounds like it's close to a lost cause, but I would seriously consider contributing money to put towards a P.I. for this.....

Don't Let Her Know She's an Angel (DEMO)

I know, not released, but sooooo much better than the released version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJE9Obg_N80

[it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store.]

Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store.

There's a lot of quality material you'd have to lop off if you went by that. Smile isn't such a simple album/set of material.

Agreed.  However, i think it raises the point of whether or not SMiLE is an appropriate album title.  Perhaps it's an unpopular opinion of mine, but I always was thrown off by it.  With the exceptions of VegaTables, HV, Song for Children, Barnyard there isn't really a coherently goofy, fun vibe through the whole piece.  In fact, I would say Fire, Child, Windchimes and Surf's Up are among some of the moodier, dark tracks in the BB catalogue.  (this doesn't mean that the whole work had to be nothing but Fun Fun Fun, but still.....).  Yes there's plenty of playful word twisting throughout but does it consistently fall into the Brian Laughter=Transcendence philosophy? 

It's possible it's going over my head but thematically the whole journey across America thing never clicked with me either.  Maybe this is part is one of the results of it being unfinished?  Maybe it's scatterbrained?  I could be missing something from the "finished" album that Brian presented in 2004, but I could never bring myself to really listen to this in it's entirely (another unpopular opinion here maybe?)

I think it's the best music Brian's composed, but at the very least an ambiguous work in terms of structure/ideas

Great story. As long as you didn't grab his ass.

I wouldn't do that.  The guy's injured.  Also, did you see what hugh jackman did to him in 'Prisoners'?

Hello All:

Just thought I would share my first ever celebrity subway spotting.  This afternoon I was transferring to the 6 train at Broadway Lafayette in NYC and none other than Paul Dano was standing on the platform.  Not only was this the first time i've ever seen a celebrity on the subway, but only minutes earlier I had been listening to Friends on my headphones.  He was walking gingerly with a cane and was wearing an army fatigue baseball.  I wasn't brave enough to actually start a conversation and ask him about the Brian biopic, but as I left the train I patted him on the shoulder and said "I'm looking forward to Brian Wilson".  He thanked me and said goodbye.  Sorry I don't have more to share!  Just thought it was a spooky, cool event worth sharing.  

-s

I wasn't so much referring to hiding behind a pseudonym.  I meant the fact that the internet affords us the opportunity to be abrasive and rude since the consequences of acting this way in real life don't exist (and that this can become something of a "lie").  

But, yup, hypocritical of me seeing as I fell into this very same trap.  Consider this my Smiley Smile coming out party!  A very graceful one indeed.  

That is true, but, if people are considerate and relatively respectful and tolerant, with a pen name, they will be the same, using their given name.  

Many famous authors used pen names;  Mark Twain was Samuel Clemens, George Sand was Aurore Dupin, Dr. Seuss was Theodore Geissel, Silence Dogood was Benjamin Franklin.  

It is a long list.  

I said I would stop posting in this thread....but.... i... LIED!!!!!!!

Hm... good point.  It does provide some coverage.  But speaking from my own experience, I would like to think that I don't act as irresponsibly towards people in real life as I just have toward people on this message board (regardless if they knew my name).  That's what I was getting at; I was not suggesting that this is an overt, literal passing off of a false identity.  It wasn't that drbeachboy didnt know my name that allowed me to be a jerk.  it was the fact that the this is an impersonal way of communicating, and he wasn't a real person sitting in front of me

I got sucked into the role of the troll, which is a temptation many of us face in this virtual land.  I'm a noob with 19 posts under my belt, so lets hope there's some improvement ahead of me... umm Jack Reilly right?    Has anyone been able to find this interview online?  I'm not having luck

I wasn't so much referring to hiding behind a pseudonym.  I meant the fact that the internet affords us the opportunity to be abrasive and rude since the consequences of acting this way in real life don't exist (and that this can become something of a "lie"). 

But, yup, hypocritical of me seeing as I fell into this very same trap.  Consider this my Smiley Smile coming out party!  A very graceful one indeed. 

I have become part of the problem here, will stop posting.  Apologies

-troll

You know what's dishonest?  Projecting an arrogant, bully personality on the Internet.  And yes, I don't know any of you personally, but these ridiculous know it alls more often than not do not exist in real life ; the internet affords plenty of anonymonity and makes people feel invulnerable.  Not acknowledging any kind of a slippery slope and passimg judgment on all liars (including questioning decisions other posters have made in their personal life) requires a pretty lengthy defense, and perhaps this is not the appropriate forum (for god sakes this is the beach boys we're talking about).  So much for finding interesting thoughts/info on the interview.  

It's too bad there isn't too much info on JR.  For someone who had such an intimate relationship with the band there's really not a whole lot out there on the guy (maybe I just don't know where to look?)

I have never been an Internet bully, nor will I ever become one. Now, I'm not sure that this post was pointed at me, but I have an opinion and I was brought up not to lie, especially at the expense of hurting another person. Now, this Jack Reiley sh*t happened 40 plus years ago and no matter how we feel about it, it ain't gonna change what happened. If you think lying your ass off is OK, then lie until your nose grows 12 feet long. Stories like Pinocchio were made so children learn the consequences of lying. Most of us were taught that lying was the worst thing you could do. I was grounded every time that I was caught in one. We grew up in different eras. If being a Liar is your thing, then fine, but for those of us who have grown up with integrity and have known the consequences of lying, I think we have a right to express it in this topic. Thanks for reading.

You're welcome!  Maybe I need to revisit Pimochio.  It may give me the strength to muster up the integrity i will need to reveal to my children that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

You know what's dishonest?  Projecting an arrogant, bully personality on the Internet.  And yes, I don't know any of you personally, but these ridiculous know it alls more often than not do not exist in real life ; the internet affords plenty of anonymonity and makes people feel invulnerable.  Not acknowledging any kind of a slippery slope and passimg judgment on all liars (including questioning decisions other posters have made in their personal life) requires a pretty lengthy defense, and perhaps this is not the appropriate forum (for god sakes this is the beach boys we're talking about).  So much for finding interesting thoughts/info on the interview. 

It's too bad there isn't too much info on JR.  For someone who had such an intimate relationship with the band there's really not a whole lot out there on the guy (maybe I just don't know where to look?)

Wait... Are you implying Andrew doesn't exist?

Choose the red/blue pill ... 2 + 2 = 5.   

You know what's dishonest?  Projecting an arrogant, bully personality on the Internet.  And yes, I don't know any of you personally, but these ridiculous know it alls more often than not do not exist in real life ; the internet affords plenty of anonymonity and makes people feel invulnerable.  Not acknowledging any kind of a slippery slope and passimg judgment on all liars (including questioning decisions other posters have made in their personal life) requires a pretty lengthy defense, and perhaps this is not the appropriate forum (for god sakes this is the beach boys we're talking about).  So much for finding interesting thoughts/info on the interview. 

It's too bad there isn't too much info on JR.  For someone who had such an intimate relationship with the band there's really not a whole lot out there on the guy (maybe I just don't know where to look?)

now THIS is a cool BBs t-shirt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-RARE-ORIGINAL-1971-THE-BEACH-BOYS-SURFS-UP-RINGER-T-SHIRT-LP-Concert-M-/380463482809?pt=Vintage_Unisex_T_Shirts&hash=item58956407b9

Too bad it has some gnarly pit stains

Dennis plays poker. Ricky MC's. Not sure where this came from. (is this from Hinsche's home movies?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFm5nyRUZQ4

Yup.  I bought this DVD.  This is only for the die hards, but it's nice to get a "slice of life" peek at the guys.  A few great moments come to mind.  Carl comes off as a really sweet, endearing fellow.  Several times throughout the film he stares at the camera and marvels at the fact that it's able to record audio.  There's a moment where Dennis and Mike are in the bathroom gossiping about Van Dyke Parks.  I also believe there's a scene where Al and Dennis discuss spiritual matters on their private plane

Not on par with his other songs from this period, but such a nice, sweet little song.  No one does tender/sweet like BW

Thanks Cliff!

Anyone know where I can purchase a Hi Quality DVD of our team?  Or any way to get a quality vid of this?  Feel free to PM me with any info..... thanks

I have given up on trying to establish whether or not Mike Love is a villain.  None of the narratives seem to agree with each other.  On one end of the spectrum you have David Leaf and his "Brian is a victim" narrative, on the other Mike Love with his explanations for disagreements ("Wilson brothers abused drugs" and "I loved SMiLE and only took issue with one lyric").  I for one love the music the BBs made in late 60's and early 70s, which, by most accounts, was something of a group effort creatively.  It's hard for me to buy the David Leaf story of the rest of the band being abusive towards Brian and corporate-minded when this music was not exactly "commercial" (both in the way the music sounds and in terms of sales).  Weren't all the Beach Boys relatively "far out" in some way or another at this point in time? 

I think most of us here will agree that much of the Beach Boys music post 70s is cheesy and uninspired, but I often wonder just how popular the Beach Boys would be if it weren't for Mike Love revisiting all the oldies.  I grew up on the Surfin Hits, and I've wondered if I would ever have discovered the more obscure Beach Boys material without this foundation.

On another note...

AGD - Is the attitude/nastiness really necessary?  It seems well established that you are knowledgeable and an insider.  What point are you trying to prove?  It's all to convenient to attack people on the internet....

I agree on the chords/sheet music idea.  Although there is a very comprehensive tab site, surfermoon.com, it would be great to have a forum where we can work out more obscure items like harmonies, piano tabs, even chords for unreleased music.  I personally would love to know how to work out these songs on the guitar:  "Out in the Country", "Lonely Days", "Time to Live in Dreams", "Happy Birthday Freshman"

Makes sense. Thanks!

I just noticed that many of the threads i'm suggesting could fit into the "Reviews" forum, but would there be a better way to encourage people to post their best of lists and such in this forum as opposed to General on topic?

Hi All:

I hope it's alright for me to bring some attention back to a thread that was started by the Mods back in 2012:  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14547.0.html

I thought there were some good ideas contributed by both the mods and other posters and I was wondering if anyone was interested in re-visiting this.  As someone that's not a big contributor to the board I hope it's not out of line for me to do this- I just got the impression that not too many people were visiting the "Welcome to Smiley Smile" sub forum, and wanted to point people in that direction, as my most recent post there could easily go unnoticed.  Thanks! I look forward to hearing from people

-Sam

I see that this is an old forum at this point, but as someone that very rarely posts, I thought I'd make some suggestions for potentially making this a more appealing/inclusive place.  In terms of Beach Boys internet communities I think this place is fantastic, and collectively we make up an incredibly knowledgable base with some legit insiders.  One of the things I like best about the Beach Boys is that there are so many obscure gems to mine for; whether that be unreleased songs, unusual stories, and interviews.  The fact that more and more incredible music and information continues to surface, a lot of it from the 60s-80s, is a very big reason why I keep returning to this site.  That said, I think there could be a lot more done to organize the board in such a way that this aspect of the board is given more weight.  It seems like most activity is relegated to the "General On Topic Discussions", and it can be frustrating to navigate this place.  Among other threads, I often feel like I have to sift through permanent threads listed at the top, best of lists/ favorite album/songs, and repetitive/rehashed topics.  My questions is this:

1)  Can we have a thread or multiple threads dedicated to surfacing new information/music/interview/news?  Can we do this without running the risk of copyright/legal trouble?  How can we clearly establish a guideline for surfacing rare/new material without pushing any buttons?  IMO, it has been great to discover all the new/rare beach boys media available in the Youtube thread, and something like this could maybe get more attention?

2)  Can the permanent threads have their own space outside of general topic?  Maybe in something called "Important Info and Rules and Guidelines"?

3)  Can there be a separate thread for best of lists and favorite songs?

Maybe I'm alone on this, but i think a lot more people, including myself, would be drawn in, and might contribute more if this were addressed on some level.  Thanks, and I appreciate all this board has done for continuing to feed my insatiable beach boys apetite. 

-Sam