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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 27, 2021, 06:44:19 AM
Brian laughing like a maniac when Maury talks about "Won't You Tell Me" being one of their best vocals since Pet Sounds is both hilarious and unnerving at the same time.

True dat.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 23, 2021, 09:17:41 AM
Remember me? Smiley

Anyways I got one question for today. I've wondered about Feel Flows (box set) lately and I just want to know...

What do I expect to hear on Sweet and Bitter?

I mean...uh...who played on Games Two Can Play...

and the organ on Seasons In The Sun?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Production quality of the Sunflower/Surf's Up era on: August 23, 2021, 09:09:08 AM
Just wanted to offer my opinion. Sunflower sounds pretty damn good even with the couple of things that I miss (Brian vocal on Our Sweet Love as an example). Surf's Up is good but some of the sound is like washed up or dry, you know what I mean? It works sometimes but then again there are some mistakes (SDT).
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 16, 2021, 08:06:19 AM
This will be quite exciting! I canít wait until July! Cheesy
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1991 Brian Interview on: May 13, 2021, 05:38:58 PM
This was a new one to me. Not a good time for Brian, his family, and the other Beach Boys. https://youtu.be/QEVl-UrsqO0

That was a depressing watch.  Embarrassed
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Squares #3 The Surfer Girl album just released on youTube on: May 13, 2021, 05:22:16 PM
Once "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Turn Turn Turn" became smash hit records for the Byrds, featuring a super-over compressed sound on the lead electric guitar as I mentioned in my earlier posts, a lot of records also began featuring over-compressed electric guitars. And also, that sound was being considered a "West Coast Sound", and if it was selling records like those Byrds singles, other records and producers went for it too.

One very notable example is "Nowhere Man", where the Beatles were consciously going for a Brian Wilson/Byrds sound both on the production and the song itself. Harrison and Lennon were now playing Fender guitars, which was a big shift for them, and Harrison's solo on Nowhere Man is literally compressed to death, much like McGuinn's was on those Byrds records.

If you take this in the years 1965-66, that's when things started to change in terms of compression and its use. Of course there would be old-school engineers who still did it their way, but when you have clients saying "we want that sound", whether it's Mr Tambourine Man or Nowhere Man or any number of other records with that West Coast Sound from that era, they'd have to do it or they'd lose the client to a studio or engineer that would.

Speaking of The Monkees, that over-compressed guitar sound goes back to the very first notes anyone heard from The Monkees in 1966, even before the TV show had its debut in September '66. "Last Train To Clarksville" features an intro from Louis Shelton's Telecaster with massive amounts of compression...those opening notes defined that record and became the hook that drew listeners in. Louis himself said after that became a radio hit, his phone began to ring for other session work once calls were made and they found out in LA who had played that guitar lick. And likewise, that massively compressed guitar sound also became a thing among those in the biz chasing a hit record. So literally the first notes anyone ever heard on a Monkees record in '66 featured heavy compression on electric guitar, and it became a thing.

Worth noting too is if you have the "Headquarters Sessions" Monkees set, there is a track where you can hear Hank Cicalo dialing in the compressor setting on Mike Nesmith's electric 12-string, and I've actually used that example to demonstrate the difference between not using compression and heavy compression when recording electric guitars, specifically electric 12's. Once Cicalo dials it in, boom - That's the signature sound.

So I disagree that compression wasn't being used  often, but it does come down to an issue of timing, as in *when* did these different studios and engineers start using it. If we're talking 1964, then yes, it was rare except perhaps on some vocal tracks. But after the folk-rock boom with Tambourine Man, that sound was everywhere and engineers eventually had to use it.

Then bring in Geoff Emerick and Revolver, and I've heard old-school engineers who had clients at the time that album had come out being asked for that sound, and the reply was "but that's wrong, that's not how to record drums, guitars, etc...". So I'll always come back to Revolver (and later Pepper, especially the use of compression on Ringo's drums) as the benchmark album that literally changed the game in terms of recording rock music. And the way Emerick used and deliberately over-used compression was a big part of it, even if the old-schoolers thought it was "wrong" to cut tracks which sounded like that. One of the perks of being an innovator is those who think you're wrong to rewrite the rules are the ones who end up following your lead eventually, and that's what happened in the world of recording rock and pop music after 1966-67.

Very interesting.

Also noted that being a Beatles fan myself, Harrison played the Fender guitar throughout the song, but the solo itself was both Harrison AND Lennon. It did sound much more prominent than the other lines too so it makes sense.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 13, 2021, 10:19:08 AM
Was Al Jardine a participant in Mike's group, Celebration?

Al sometimes guested with Celebration, as did Brian and Carl.

I have failed once again. LOL

Four questions (3 are BBs related):

What is that buzzing noise on Passing By? I remember hearing on the EH that itís a Bass Harmonica, but it doesnít to me, based on other records that use it.

What information related to Loop De Loop (of any) has personnel credits? Iíve asked a similar question on EH.

If the strings for Lady were recorded on the same day as the strings for Tears In The Morning & Our Sweet Love, does that mean itís the same players, despite the different arrangers?

And the non BB one:

Did Hal Blaine really drum on Kicks by Paul Revere & The Raiders? Bassist Phil Volk makes it pretty clear that it wasnít. Idk

http://stereoembersmagazine.com/american-stones-american-beatles-interview-paul-revere-raiders-mark-lindsay/ This is my source. Itís a lengthy read and has interviews from both Mark Lindsay & Phil Volk.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 12, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
Was Al Jardine a participant in Mike's group, Celebration?

To my knowledge, no, aside from co-writing the groupís only hit. That was more of a Mike kinda thing to keep himself busy with some friends of his tbh.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 10, 2021, 05:32:06 AM
Eh? No one? Alright then I'll move on.  Razz

I've always wondered about the use of a Chamberlin (and in the case of I Wanna Pick You Up, the Mellotron) on BBs records. They didn't really use it as much as other acts. Were they more interested in other things during this time ('67-'72 was the instruments prime iirc)?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 10, 2021, 04:35:58 AM
I put more stock in any information from Howie than anybody else. That said, I have a very strong hunch this information is indeed correct

O only quoted AGD in this case because it was the most recent confirmation that I had heard about it. Ordinarily Howie would also be my go-to guy.

Howie is da man when it comes to Feel Flows box set news.  Grin

Are we thinking that the version of I've Got A Friend is just the track, or that a vocal sync from a live recording has been done?

I would think that flying in a lo-fi vocal from one of the live recordings would be quite a stretch.


Same here. If no studio vocal does exist then it will only be the backing track.
But I guess it is possible that a professional live recording is in the vaults and could be included (just a guess!).

I'm just glad that the song is getting an official release! For years I've always wanted to know how it was going to sound & what the lyrics were (the bootlegs were pretty bad). Wink
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 07, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
"Also, how did Carl get the sole production credit for TTGA if Brian was involved all the way?"

because the song literally was stolen from Brian

You keep stating things that are just factually untrue. Who do you think's singing lead in the chorus?

I know that itís not a question, but iirc Brian & Al.

I agree, spreading false info or lying wonít get you anywhere hideyotsuburaya. If you werenít at the sessions or have any evidence then donít spread information if you donít really know, or if youíre being a jerk. Just saying.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 03, 2021, 10:51:06 AM
The Twitter account @beachboyslegacy posted the following info, I have no idea whether the info is true or just a wish list, but I'd be very happy (esp fŲr I've got a Friend) if it is true:

Feel Flows, The Beach Boys box-set, will include material from Dennis Wilson's lost album 'Poops/Hubba Hubba'. These are the tracks that will probably be in the set:

Settle Down
Ol' Movie
Behold The Night
It's A New Day
I've Got A Friend
Baby, Baby
All Of My Life/Ecology
 
Remember:
Settle Down: Sound Of Free early version
Ol' Movie: Cuddle Up early version
Behold The Night
It's A New Day: shampoo commercial
I've Got A Friend
Baby, Baby: performed live once by The Beach Boys
All Of My Life/Ecology = River Song early version

AGD said that Howie said just as much last year and it was pretty already known to be considered for the set. This is pretty much a reconfirmation or a repost just for the Twitter page.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 03, 2021, 06:00:01 AM
I've got one question relating to We'll Run Away.

This is the link for reference: https://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-beach-boys-1964-keep-eye-on-summer.html

26. Untitled Jam/Letís Live Before We Die (Session Highlights and Instrumental) (3:24)
(Brian Wilson)

A short impromptu jam precedes the track for an unfinished and unreleased song called ďLetís Live Before We Die.Ē This very pretty track, boasting some very lush jazz styled chords, was recorded at the same session as ďWeíll Run Away.Ē

UNTITLED JAM / LETíS LIVE BEFORE WE DIE
Arranged: Brian Wilson
Upright or Grand piano: Brian Wilson
Electric rhythm guitar: Carl Wilson
Electric bass guitar: Ray Pohlman
Drums: Hal Blaine
Track recorded at Western Recorders Studio 3, Hollywood, Wednesday April 29 or Thursday April 30, 1964, 10:30pm-1:30am ? (master is Take 15 ?)
Engineer: Chuck Britz
Recorded on 1/2″ 3-track tape

You thinking what I thinking?  Wink
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 03, 2021, 05:34:43 AM
Hmmm... Howie brought up Behold The Night on the Endless Harmony board version of this thread, so that's getting an official release, from what it looks like. Shocked
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 03, 2021, 05:31:22 AM
Thanks Craig for both of those. I should really start considering whether or not session tapes have been heard...

I have one question relating to the percussion overdubs on Time To Get Alone. Were they different from what was used in the final version (which has Vibraphone & Glockenspiel)? I heard somewhere on one of the threads that there were percussion overdubs on Oct. Ď67, which were then replaced by the vibes and glockenspiel the following year. Is that correct, or am I just tired?

The only new instrumentation added to Time to Get Alone for 20/20 was the glockenspiel and an unused 12-string guitar. Everything else, including vibes, came from '67.

Alright so the Vibraphone is absolutely Gene Pello. Who played the glockenspiel?

Not necessarily, Pello doesn't have any recognized mallet credits through his career. Strictly a drummer type. On that basis it's likely to be Brian.

As for the glockenspiel, that's a question that can't really be answered. At a guess, Brian again, or Dennis.

Looking at the information we have, no one else could have played the vibes except Brian. I should've guessed then.

Glockenspiel I would say was also Brian. Brian was the most dedicated to the song, so of course he would try to make sure it's perfect for release. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: May 02, 2021, 12:24:29 PM


Whereís this picture from? Mid-70s?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 02, 2021, 12:22:57 PM
Well, Bobby Figueroa wasn't used on the KTSA sessions, either (meaning, Mike Meros was the only guy from the then-current road band who was). As for Smilin' Ed...he DID make an  appearance at the session for THIS song, obviously invited to play on it because he wrote it. However, they recut the track a week later without him. Can't say for sure which version the vocals were added to, but presumably it was the second.

SURFER SUZIE (version 1) 
Track - United Western, 10/17/79 (Eng.: Chuck Britz)
Keyboards: Brian, Bruce, Mike Meros
Guitars: Ed Carter, Bill House
Bass: Jerry Scheff
Drums: Gary Mallaber

SURFER SUZIE (version 2)
Track - Kendun Recorders, 10/23/79 (Eng.: Steve Desper)
Keyboards: Bruce, Mike Meros
Guitars: Steve Ross, Bill House
Bass: Bryan Garofalo
Drums: Ricky Fataar
Overdubs - Rumbo, 10/29/79
Guitar: Bill House

Vocals - Jardine's Barn, Big Sur, 11/7/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/13/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/28/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/30/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 12/5//79
Vocals - Rumbo, 12/6//79
Lead: Al


Thanks Craig! Never knew that about there being 2 versions!
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 02, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
Thanks Craig for both of those. I should really start considering whether or not session tapes have been heard...

I have one question relating to the percussion overdubs on Time To Get Alone. Were they different from what was used in the final version (which has Vibraphone & Glockenspiel)? I heard somewhere on one of the threads that there were percussion overdubs on Oct. Ď67, which were then replaced by the vibes and glockenspiel the following year. Is that correct, or am I just tired?

The only new instrumentation added to Time to Get Alone for 20/20 was the glockenspiel and an unused 12-string guitar. Everything else, including vibes, came from '67.

Alright so the Vibraphone is absolutely Gene Pello. Who played the glockenspiel?
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 30, 2021, 07:02:14 PM
Maybe not the best question I asked...

Moving on...

Finally a non personnel question.

Why do you think that Ed Carter wasnít used on KTSA?

And now for the question relating to personnel:

Who played on Surfer Suzie? Is there anything (afm, session tapes, etc) for the song?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brother Re-Issues: Proposed Bonus Tracks on: April 30, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
Still hoping these tracks see the light of day soon.  🤞

I would want 3 things:

Carry Me Home getting released (make it happen!)
4th Of July being remixed... completely. Holy hell it sounds so bad.
Rolliní Up In Heaven (Hard Time) being released, mainly because itís a nice little ditty, f*cked up lyrics aside.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: April 30, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
This is a riot. From hoffman board.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pcsTrzTkY9A



Haha I actually liked that. My praise goes to him for making that.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: April 30, 2021, 03:52:25 AM
Mike Love And Bruce Johnston On The Maury Povich Show (1992)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vucnOZEvVYQ


"Summern in Paradise", Stamos and Brian are the main topics as far as I can tell. There's a short piano-only version of GV's chorus.


!!! Maury before he became largely famous at helping/ruining peopleís lives!  LOL
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 29, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
Thanks Craig for both of those. I should really start considering whether or not session tapes have been heard...

I have one question relating to the percussion overdubs on Time To Get Alone. Were they different from what was used in the final version (which has Vibraphone & Glockenspiel)? I heard somewhere on one of the threads that there were percussion overdubs on Oct. Ď67, which were then replaced by the vibes and glockenspiel the following year. Is that correct, or am I just tired?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 28, 2021, 04:35:09 PM
Welp might as well start easy.

What keyboards were used on the single version of Cottonfields? If the keyboards are credited to Bruce and Daryl, then who played what? What keyboards can be heard in the final mix (because I donít hear any to be honest).
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 27, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
What keyboards were used on Sunshine? Brian, Carl, Bruce & Ricci Martin were all credited by Craig on the sessionography as being ďkeyboards ď, yet not only do I barely hear keyboards, I dunno who played which keyboards.
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