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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jeffrey Foskett and the future of the Beach Boys touring franchise on: November 24, 2016, 08:37:53 PM
The Four Freshmen still tour to this day. The last original member, Bob Flanigan, the tenor, upon whom Brian based his vocal style), retired in 1992. He continued to authorize other musicians to continue with the Four Freshmen name and playing their music. The Beach Boys could continue to do the same thing for decades.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Melinda on The View, Friday 6/5/15 on: June 05, 2015, 07:41:31 PM
The video is up now on the ABC site:
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Daryl Dragon and Toni Tennille divorcing on: January 22, 2014, 05:15:17 PM
TMZ also examined the divorce papers, and reports that they have "special mention of health insurance coverage."  It has been indicated before that Daryl's Parkinson-related condition has been producing financial difficulties for him and Toni - in 2011 they were forced to sell their old house in Prescott, Arizona at a loss, and moved into a smaller one.  So it could be that medical costs are one factor forcing the split. 

Medical costs are probably not forcing the split, unless Toni is receiving bad financial advice.  California has alimony.  If Daryl cannot make a living and cannot afford health insurance, Toni will likely be required to provide at least some support for him. The Affordable Care Act may help in this case, as Daryl would be able to buy health insurance, even though he has a preexisting condition. However, health insurance undoubtedly does not pay all of his medical costs.

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Bruce does NOT post on any board on: January 22, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
In 2012, someone on this board was impersonating Bruce.  At the meet and greet at Red Rocks on July 9, 2012, I asked Bruce if that person was him, and whether he posts on Beach Boys boards. He emphatically denied that he posts anything on the internet, ever.  That's from the horse's mouth. 
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album. on: September 24, 2013, 10:10:36 PM
They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on

I may be in the minority here, but "Bill and Sue" is a very fun and catchy track, and it has a sense of humor - something that Brian's always had. There was quite a bit of humor on Smile on songs like Barnyard and Vegetables.  "Beaches in Mind" is also catchy, it has excellent vocal harmonies (better than what you hear on 99.9% of records made today), and its theme is appropriate for a 50 year reunion.

TWGMTR is an album that's grown on me. It has as much of a "plot" as Pet Sounds did. It starts with relection about the past and present, as is appropriate for a 50th reunion. The songs speak of the happiness of the past and the brief joy of a reunion, when those fun times can be re-lived.  As it would happen in a real 50th reunion, there is talk about good times of the past, and even some humorous lament about the stupid TV shows that young people watch nowadays (a typical feeling of older people).  There is a desire to rekindle old relationships ("Shelter"). Soon, however, it's time for the reunion to end, and we begin to realize that the old relationships won't be rekindled, as much as we repeatedly pray that they will ("Daybreak Over the Ocean", "From There To Back Again").  We then want simply to escape and have fun ("Beaches in Mind"), but it can never be like the old days - the people are just different, and the world is different. ("Strange World") . We had fun at the reunion, but we can never go back. We are left alone to face our old age, telling ourselves that maybe we're better off alone anyway.  ("Pacific Coast Highway") . The reality sinks in; the reunion is over, and it's time to face real life again.  ("Summer's Gone")
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine says there is conflict over the license. Lawsuit coming? on: August 15, 2013, 02:43:50 PM
I doubt that a lawsuit is coming. Al is frustrated, but he probably would lose in court, and I think they're all tired of the lawsuits.  

I agree that Mike and Bruce calling their band "The Beach Boys" is ridiculous, but I also think a Brian Wilson / Jeff Beck act calling itself "The Beach Boys" is equally ridiculous. Robert Plant does not call his band "Led Zeppelin" or "The Original Led Zeppelin", and Paul McCartney does not call his act "The Beatles" (or even "Wings"!).
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: June 01, 2013, 11:10:35 PM

Pet Sounds is from Phoenix, presented for the first time on this CD, as this track was not on last year's live DVD.  Audiences who attended shows in the latter part of  in the tour (staring with Bangor, Maine on June 22) were treated to a great performance of this instrumental from its classic namesake album.  I would argue that it rocks quite a bit harder and is a more exciting recording than the album cut.  Although it may have been the best recording of this track from the tour (according to the engineers), I believe David performed it better in later shows, particularly two nights later at Red Rocks.

I would like to give kudos to David Marks and Johnny Cowsill.  The Beach Boys are not a lead-guitar-up-front band like Zeppelin or The Who, but if they were, David could easily fill the role.  He is a master of the surf guitar lick, but he proved time and time again that he could crank out wailing rock riffs as well.  I wish he were louder in the mix at the shows and on this CD, but I do understand that the Beach Boys are a vocal harmony band, and it's the backing vocals that are going to be up front in the mix.  (Maybe they could let Phil Spector out of prison for a few days, so he can mix these tracks so everything is loud?) 

Cowsill's drumming was consistently, flawlessly excellent throughout the tour.  Unlike most live CDs, very little editing or studio overdubbing was necessary on the backing tracks on this release, as the backing band performed without error almost every night.  He played in nearly perfect synchronization with the other percussionists and consistently provided a steady tempo foundation without overplaying.  He proves on this track that he can be loud and powerful.   When a band sounds great, and is a hit with a younger crowd like the cheering throngs at Bonnaroo, I look first at the drummer, as he's usually the guy who is playing so well that it makes everybody else sound great.

There are only two strange edits on this track, at 1:12 and 1:50, where a single note from David is delayed one second vs. the live YouTube video. Other than that, there is no editing or overdubbing.  As I say, it was not necessary.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 31, 2013, 09:47:17 PM

If you are hoping for biting, back-breaking, Judge-Judy-type criticism of this CD, you will not find it on this post.  I am going to gush heaping praise on this track for many reasons, not the least of which is that my voice is clearly heard on it at least twice.

Disney Girls is of course from Grand Prairie - that was easy to spot, as Bruce added  "a smaller Texas town" to the lyric.  It's 100% pure, un-dubbed, un-edited, un-tempo-changed Bruce and the Beach Boys, from the second show of the tour that I had the great fortune of attending.  Early in the tour, the VIP Nation meet-and-greet packages were not selling well. I bought the $200 soundcheck package, which included early entry, attending the soundcheck, and a ticket in the first 10 rows.  After a brief 4 pm check-in, I was delighted to hear that everyone who bought the soundcheck package would also get to do the meet-and-greet, perhaps the bargain of the century.  As the word got out that the shows were great, they had little trouble selling the VIP packages.

At about 5 pm, I and my fellow 40-or-so VIP patrons were escorted into the Verizon Theater, and there they were on stage, the heroes of my childhood. It was the real Brian Wilson. He was actually working again with Mike Love.  It was hard to believe, but there they were on stage together.  These early soundchecks were actually rehearsals. (I attended the soundcheck 6 weeks later at Round Rocks, and this was more of an informal performance, with announcements before each song.)  There was no doubt that some tension was present, as two separate bands (Brian's band and the Mike/Bruce/Scott band) were coming together. They started by rehearsing the transitions between the car songs at the end of Act I.  Then came a rehearsal of Sail on Sailor. Brian's speaker under his piano was not operational, so he sang the track badly out of tune. (This is not a criticism of Brian; I can't sing this complex song a cappella either.)  They stopped just before the end of the song, debating how it should end.  Scott demonstrated a possible ending, which I thought was a bit more complicated than necessary.  Then Darian quietly and humbly said, "ok, as a suggestion only, this is how Brian does it", then he played another possible ending, which I thought was a lot better. Afterward I yelled, "Do it that way!"  Melinda Wilson, sitting two rows behind me, yelled to me, "thank you!"  Scott then said, "ok, that way it is."  For the rest of the tour, Darian's ending was used.  What other Hall of Fame act would provide this kind of intimate access?

After the soundcheck/rehearsal, the 5 principals walked up in the aisle, positioned themselves in chairs  behind a "Beach Boys 50" backdrop, and posed for pictures.  Bruce apologized in a way, saying, "oh, don't worry, the show sounds better than the soundcheck", to which I replied, "well, that soundcheck sounded pretty damn good", to which Bruce replied, "well thanks!"   He was very gracious and accessible.  Brian said, "we're not signing anything" - a policy that was made clear when we bought the VIP packages.  After a few minutes, it was my turn. I positioned myself between Mike and Brian, with Bruce, Al, and David, and they snapped a very good picture of the 6 of us.  Once again, I ask, what other Hall of Fame act would provide this kind of intimate access?

For the show, I was sitting in row 4, right in front of Bruce. I was very impressed with Bruce at the soundcheck.  On the CD, at the end of When I Grow Up to Be a Man, Mike introduces Bruce. His spoken lines are from at least 3 different shows, but his section is from Texas:

2:26: Mike: He got the Grammy for the song that Barry Manilow is most famous for, "I Write The Songs".
2:31: Me: Yeaaaaaaaah!!!!!! (heard very loudly in the right speaker, the loudest single audience member utterance on the album)

Of course, admitting to this means that I actually cheered the mention of Barry Manilow!  

How do I know it's me?  I started taking a cell phone video as Mike was introducing Bruce. As I was sitting in row 4 on the aisle, a big and scary woman usher told me to turn off my cell phone.  I put it into my front shirt pocket without turning off the recording.   The video is dark, and the audio is cruddy, but there is no doubt, the Bruce/Barry fan is me.

Perhaps I'm one of those psycho fans that thinks a band is singing only to me.  On a personal note, I was going through a divorce on this night in Texas.  When Bruce started singing - I was a few yards in front of him - I listened carefully to the lyrics.  This song sounds so much better when sung by an old man, especially the line, "I guess I'm slowing down."   It's as if Bruce wrote the song in 1971, knowing that its ultimate rendition would be 41 years later. His voice sounds breathy and distant - "distant" like it's coming from a great beyond, like a dearly departed grandfather, reminding me that, despite my current pain, I should remember the good times.   Remember the great times of childhood, of Disneyland, summer picnics, and the simple things of life. It really made me think.  The Good Vibrations of the show - pardon the pun - re-affirmed to me, in my darkest of times, that life is worth living.

To make a long story short, 6 weeks later, my wife and I celebrated our reconciliation by flying to Colorado and attending the soundcheck and show at Red Rocks.  I  enjoyed that show even more than Grand Prairie, as if that were possible.

Did the Beach Boys save my marriage?  I don't know.  But they sure as hell didn't hurt.

Thanks to Brian, Mike, Al, David, and Bruce for a beautiful and inspirational evening. Call me a psycho fan, but sometimes, music can elevate the soul and make a big difference in an ordinary life.

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 31, 2013, 07:58:21 PM

Oh, and thank goodness Brian's "Clap!, clap!" was excised! 

Ok I'm on my own on this one! Grin
Yup.  Marooned all alone on Pleasure Island, which, as it turns out, is really just 45 minutes of Brian's helpful hints on proper clapping technique.   Razz

Perfectly valid opinion - that things that are in the live show should not be removed.   
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 31, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
I'm wondering if "Sail On, Sailor" is the same performance that was included in that iTunes EP Isn't It Time single. There are parts of it that sound identical.

SAIL ON SAILOR is from Chiba. It's slowed down about 5% without changing the pitch and like Heroes and Villains, the rate of slowdown changes in each section of the song.  Brian's vocal is identical to the Chiba tape. 

Again I wonder why the engineers thought it was necessary to change the tempo.   To my ears, it doesn't sound better slowed down.

Hopefully, everybody understands that my nit-picking is not some kind of back-breaking criticism of this track or the CD.  I have had to mix audio in the past, and I know how hard it is.  I've really enjoyed the CD and recommend it.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 30, 2013, 11:14:45 PM

Arguably the greatest studio recording of all time,  the 1966 single recording of Good Vibrations is about as perfect as it could be.   This presents a considerable challenge for a live performing band. The good news is that, if you can ignore the bizarre female backing vocals at the end of the track, this recording is almost entirely from the CVC Marine Stadium in Chiba, Japan.  Fortunately, I was able to find a YouTube video taken live at the show of this song. (cleverly, if I say so myself, by copying Japanese characters into the search box)  The video is useless (taken too far away and bouncing up and down), but the audio is of sufficient quality.  The other bit of good news is that it appears that the streaming soundboard recording of the Chiba performance available on the internet is actually from Chiba with minimal if any overdubs ... but considerable electronic tempo changes.

Unlike Heroes and Villains, which is a slowed-down Chiba performance, Good Vibrations is sped up by about 2% without changing the pitch.  I am not sure why this decision was made, as there is very little difference in the sound that occurs by such a small tempo change.  Brian's lead vocal is identical on the video and on the CD, so what we are hearing is 100% pure Brian from Chiba.  If there was any autotune applied, it was done live at the show. 

1:14: I thought it was an interesting addition to the lyric "She goes with me to a blossom world ... we find", with Jeff singing "we find". This is heard on both the Chiba video and the Chiba streaming recording, but omitted from the CD.   Well, I guess it's something special that only those of us who attended the live shows heard.

1:18 - 1:22, There is some editing in this section, as the drum part is different.

1:26 - The tenor "yeah" is heard on the CD, but not on the video. It could have been a live mixing issue at the show or a studio overdub. It's heard on
          other recordings, particularly the Red Rocks bootleg, so I assume that it was sung at this show.

1:57 The flute part, very prominent on the video,  isn't audible on the CD. This is a strange mixing decision, as I think it is quite beautiful.

2:20 Brian's "clap clap clap" is omitted from the CD. He did this at other shows, and I actually agree with the engineers on this one - it sounds odd and was justifiably omitted.

2:24 Oh my goodness, what is this?  A studio overdub of Mr. Love, with a mic right next to his lips?  That's what I thought originally. Upon hearing the YouTube video, I realize that  it's just an autotuned vocal from the show, as the words "Gotta keep" are sung badly out of tune by somebody.

2:29 This may be the strangest edit on the album. Female backing vocals are heard starting here and solo at 2:46, making it sound like an audience singalong.  It isn't really loud enough to sound like a singalong. What the engineer was thinking here is beyond me.   No female vocalists were part of the  Beach Boys touring band in 2012 . So what in the world is this?  I do not know. It is not audible on the Chiba video. The video and the CD do not match in this section, so I assume it is from another show.

Some group of females overdubbed this in the studio. I have one theory that is purely a guess: It's Wendy and Carnie Wilson.  I of course have no evidence to back this up, other than it sounds a little like them. 

In any case, with the exception of the female vocals at the end, this is a good recording overall, and it's true to the Chiba performance.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 26, 2013, 10:49:51 PM

After reading the very negative comments on this board about this track - and the theory that they pilfered Brian's lead vocal from the 2004 Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE recording - I waited a few days before tackling this one.  Like many fans, I feel rather emotional about any SMiLE song, and the thought that the folks who engineered this CD could rape this material was a bit disconcerting to me.

So, I took a deep breath and listened to the track. Surprisingly, my first reaction was, "that sounds pretty good." Obviously Brian's vocal is autotuned and artificially double-tracked.  Brian struggled to sing the song on pitch throughout the tour.  (I've just listened to about 20 You Tube videos of this song from the tour, and he has at least a little trouble in all of them.)  However, my hunch is that the vocal was live.  Unfortunately, the more I dig into this track, the more mysterious it becomes.

One thing I do know: the Chiba, Japan live streaming track that's available on the internet, and the track from the CD, come from the same tape.  The Chiba tape is slowed down on average of about 4%.  The tempo is slowed down without changing the pitch.  Each section of the song is slowed down differently, a little more here, a little less there.  Once I change the tempo (fiddling around with it for about an hour), the tapes match.

It is interesting that they decided to slow down the tempo.  There is no question about it; I've listed to several other performances from the tour, including others from late in the tour, and they are all played faster.

 So, mystery solved, right? It's the live track from Chiba, right?  Not so fast.

I found something a bit odd on the Chiba tape.  The lead vocal second verse of the song (between 0:20 an 0:30) does quite not line up with the backing track - it's sung just a little faster.  The CD has no such problem.  Does this mean that the vocal comes from some other source?  Or, did they just do additional editing for the CD?  It would explain why there were so many edits to the tempo.

I wish I had a You Tube or bootleg of the Chiba performance, but I have not been able to find one. They would prove, or disprove, that the lead vocal is from Chiba.  My hunch is that this is live Brian.   It could be from Chiba.  It is more probable that the lead vocal is spliced from several shows, explaining why there were so many changes to the tempo of the backing track.

I analyzed and rejected these possible sources of the lead vocal: Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE CD (several differences - on the 2nd verse, the words "home" and "fight" are pronounced very differently), BWPS DVD, Grand Prairie, St Augustine, Phoenix, Red Rocks, Hollywood Bowl, Irvine, Melbourne, Mönchengladbach, Wembley.) It is possible that sections of one of these shows were used, but not the entire vocal track.

0:00 Chiba tape is slowed down by about 4.5% without changing tempo
1:25 slowed down a further 1%
1:18 sped up 1%
2:07 slowed down again
2:13 "You're under arrest" spoken by Scott is slowed down and lowered in pitch
2:25 overdubbed audience noise. A rather strange spot for it.
2:41 sped way up (an additional 4%)
2:48: 1/2 second cut before the line "and sunny down"
2:54: the 1/2 second is restored, before the line "by the heroes and villains"
2:55 another 2% slowdown
3:37 almost 1 second of extra silence added before the last vocal "ahh" harmony phrase
3:48 Mike's spoken line "Heroes and Villians from the SMiLE album" is heard on
         the Chiba streaming release but cut from the CD.

13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 26, 2013, 01:35:26 AM
I'd like to read AlFall's take on "Good Vibrations."

I haven't thoroughly analyzed Good Vibrations yet, but most of it is from a heavily edited copy of the released soundboard recording of Chiba, Japan, which in turn is probably edited too.  The Brian vocal is from this tape.  The "I'm picking up good vibrations" bass vocal is different from the Chiba tape and clearly overdubbed - it doesn't even sound like Mike.  There appears to be a loud overdubbed studio vocal at 2:24. There are female backing vocals starting at 2:29, which are the only vocals on the track at 2:45 - it almost sounds like a children's chorus.  They added echo to make it sound like the audience, but what audience consisted entirely of female children?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 26, 2013, 12:25:55 AM

>> 4.) If this was overdubbed in the studio, Brian was having a real off day. His studio vocals since the Gershwin album (and really, since TLOS) have been uniformly good. While there are a few mush-mouthed moments on TWGMTR, he phrases pretty well there, too. This album is a big step down for him, if he truly was re-recording leads.

This is a very valid comment, but it illustrates the fact that you can't please everybody. So far, I have not heard any overdubbed Brian lead vocals on the CD.  On the tracks I've analyzed, it's 100% live as he sang at the show. In my opinion, I would have preferred to leave David's lead vocal as it was on Getcha Back, even through there were very minor problems (a couple of flat notes).  On the other hand, as an artist, he undoubtedly wanted his voice to sound as good as possible on the CD.  So, he probably re-recorded bits of it in the studio. (or, some of it came from another live show other than the Red Rocks recording which is used for the backing track)  It makes for a better quality CD, but less of a "live" CD.  Each of the principals clearly had their own opinion of what they wanted to release. Bruce wanted to re-record his vocals.  Brian didn't re-record them, either because he wanted it to be a truly live CD, or perhaps that he, again, is no longer on speaking terms with Mike and Bruce and can't re-record them. 

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 25, 2013, 11:52:39 PM

With a few extremely minor exceptions below, this the undubbed and unedited performance from Red Rocks, and it's a very nice one. The Red Rocks bootleg  is sometimes marred in the first half by loud audience talking (why go to a concert if you're just going to talk??? Too much medical weed from the Boulder "dispensaries?").    It's great to have a clean recording. It also has some fun spoken passages, and the band is clearly enjoying it. 

Despite the many negative comments on this board, I am starting to warm up to this CD the more I hear it.   I am actually surprised at how "live" this CD actually is.  I've quibbled at the overdubbed lead vocals, (although I don't fault the artists for wanting their vocals to be perfect) but many of the songs are essentially unedited.  I was expecting to hear choppy edits from different shows spliced together on the same track.  I may hear that as I analyze more tracks, but so far, so good.

-0:08: The song begins 8 seconds earlier in the show, with Mike saying "This song's about
       a very special part of the California coastline, the Big Sur" during the intro
       riff. This is cut from the CD. (he introduces the song at the end of Sail On Sailor,
       which is from another show)

0:44: The line "'neath waves" is a little different on the CD than what was sung in
       the show. It could be a mixing anomaly, as it would be odd to overdub only two seconds
      of the song. The remaining Mike lead vocal is from the show.

1:03: An interesting edit here - Mike's spoken line in the show, "nice to have it ... if
      you don't need it' is spoken with a 1/2 second pause between the phrases.  On the
      CD, the 1/2 second is moved to before the passage, so "nice to have it" is 1/2
      second later, but "if you don't need it" is identical to the bootleg. Why this edit?
      Who knows?

2:02  "I told you so" on the CD isn't audible in the show, but it may simply have been
      mixed out. "To tell him now" at 2:03 is audible on both recordings.

3:01  Audience applause is overdubbed in, perhaps to make the songs have the same
      audience sounds, so they sound like they come from the same show.  At 3:05
      on the bootleg, I think it's Al that says something, but it's hard to understand. It's
      cut from the CD.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 24, 2013, 10:17:33 PM

Getcha Back, which features David Marks' lone lead vocal on the tour, is entirely from Red Rocks.  There is certainly overdubbing on some of David's lead vocal.  He sang a couple of notes a little flat that night but did a better job at the souncheck.  The souncheck vocal was not used on the CD.  My guess is that he did the overdubs in the studio with the Red Rocks track playing in his headphones, and he was trying to duplicate his vocal on the track as much as he could.  The backing vocals are not overdubbed. The Beach Boys remain, 51 years later, the best vocal harmony group in the pop music business - an art that's lost on this generation of pop stars.

0:05 - a really good electric guitar part (I think it's David's lead guitar) is       
         inexplicably mixed out on the CD.
0:24 - the lines "playing our song, have you heard it for oh so long " are overdubbed, as they don't match the bootleg
1:14 - I think this lead vocal line is from the show, with a little autotune on the word "star"
1:24 - "I can too" is overdubbed
1:48 - "Can we ever get it back" is sung identically to the show, so at least some of the vocal is not overdubbed
2:02 - Another clear overdub of the lead vocal, but strangely, it's inferior to the
      actual vocal from the show.  On the CD, David has a crack in his voice on the
      word "can", a problem he did not have on that Monday night in Colorado.
2:11 - an inexplicable overdub on David's lead vocal. In the show, he sings the normal
     lyric, "If I leave her, and you leave him."  On the CD, I am not clear what he's
     singing, but it sounds like "If I leave high."
2:32 - Some interesting editing of the banter at the end of the song. 
     Mike says "David Lee Marks on that one". This is edited out, although you can hear
     him say "one" in the background when Brian says, "The great David Marks!".  Mike's
    "that's for sure" is from another show. Bruce's "fantastic David!" is from
     Red Rocks.

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Analysis of the Live 50th Anniversary Tour CD on: May 24, 2013, 03:52:50 PM
I would like to start a thread in the spirit of the Led Zeppelin site, The Garden Tapes, where officially released live CDs are analyzed in detail to determine when and where they were recorded, and what, if anything, was overdubbed in the studio.  I am hoping that others will contribute to this.  (Of course, it could be that Beach Boys fans are not quite as psycho as Zep fans!) I will start with THE LITTLE GIRL I ONCE KNEW and WENDY.

THE LITTLE GIRL I ONCE KNEW is from Dallas (Grand Prairie), the second show performed on the tour.  It is the Beach Boys in their full 2012 live glory, with no overdubs or edits.  (with one minor exception below) It was performed the night before in Tucson and rehearsed at the Dallas soundcheck, which I attended.  The song was dropped from the setlist later in the tour.  If any autotune was applied, it was also applied at the show, as the well-recorded booleg and the official CD have the same lead vocals from Brian, although another vocalist (I assume Jeff) is singing lead with him.  About an hour of the Dallas performance had previously been released on a PBS web site, so I predicted, accurately, that some of the tracks on the CD would be from this performance.

0:22: Brian's lead vocal line "then I had no eyes for her" sounds double-tracked,
      but another vocalist (I assume Jeff) is singing along at the show. I can't
      detect any differences from the CD and the show.
0:35 Crowd noise is overdubbed here, an unnecessary change that unfortunately is
     repeated throughout the CD.
1:00 Al's backing vocal is much more audible on the bootleg, but it's the same one
     as the CD.
1:32 The "bow bow ba ba bow" backing vocal sounds studio overdubbed - but it's from
      the live performance - just more audible on the pro mix.
2:55: The "thank you" from Al, and the "Summer Days Summer Nights album" from Bruce
      are heard on the CD as they were in Dallas. (Note that this song was not on the
      original SDSN album, but is included now as a bonus track on the CD)
2:59: Al says "thank you very much, thank you" at the show. The CD has just the "thank
      you", and fades into WENDY.  On my CD, the first part of WENDY is tacked on to the
      end of THE LITTLE GIRL I ONCE KNEW.  WENDY was played after this song in Dallas,
      but several seconds of silence and crowd noise are cut from the CD.
3:02 - 3:10: The beginning of WENDY is also from Dallas. The audience "woo woo"
      shouting is from the show.

WENDY (from the start of the CD track, which starts with the snare drum) The basic track is from Grand Prairie (Dallas), but Bruce's vocals are unnecessarily
overdubbed.  Other than that, this is a straight mix of the live performance.

0:49: Bruce's vocal is overdubbed - unnecessarily - as his vocal was fine in the show.
     There was a slight crack in his voice on the word "him" when he sings "I
     can't picture you with him". On the CD, there is no such problem.
1:32 Bruce's vocal is overdubbed again. In the show, he sounds a little like he's
     laughing in the show on the line "the farthest thing from my mind."
2:25: The CD track ends here. Al says something in the show (I can't understand
     what) , but it's cut from the CD.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Special REQUEST for the 50th Anniversary Tour CD tracklist! on: April 18, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
We're going to get a sterilized and heavily edited collection that removes the uniqueness of the live performance, just like almost all other commercial live albums.  Such albums usually have studio overdubbing as well. They are "live" in name only.  The record companies give us this stuff instead of what we really want, a full live show, with the between songs banter, and even the mistakes, so we hear what it was really like to be at a show.  The best live albums (and best selling) of all time, albums like Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison, Hot August Night, and Harry Belafonte at Carnegie Hall have a lot of banter and audience interaction and very minimal editing.

I would be willing to guess that some of the new CD will come from the Grand Prairie performance, as this was already edited (and released for free on the PBS web site), particularly "The Little Girl I Once Knew", which was dropped from the setlist later in the tour. I would also expect quite a bit of the Phoenix material from the already released DVD.

We will get very little of Mike's banter, which, despite our resumption of anti-Love feeling on this board recently, was very funny and perfectly timed in most shows.  We won't get the things that make each live show unique, such as Bruce introducing his Junior High girlfriend at Red Rocks and then dedicating the song to her, or Brian introducing his wife and kids during the same show. 

Having said that, I of course will buy the new CD, as it is the Beach Boys Live, and I'm still glad that they're releasing it.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SUNFLOWER now available at on: October 11, 2012, 01:12:46 AM
Mark Linett posted on this board previously about These are real 24-bit  recordings from the studio masters, not upsampled CDs. 

If you intend to play back the recordings only on an iPhone, you may be better off just buying the CD, as CDs are cheaper and may sound better on a portable device like that. is for audiophiles who play back the recordings on high end equipment.   They want to preserve the dynamic range of the original recording, so often, the hdtracks recordings have a lot less compression.  With less compression, the sound will have less "punch" on an iPhone.  My 24-bit recording of Pet Sounds from hdtracks sounds better on my stereo, but the stereo CD from the 90's sounds better on my iPhone.

There is reasonably priced equipment that you can use with your computer that will play back 24-bit files with high quality.  I just ordered the Audioquest Dragonfly ($249) USB DAC, which has received great reviews.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Name 3 good things that came from the Yellow Submarine film on: August 17, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
What's good about it, I guess, is that it made me a rock fan for life. The Yellow Submarine film was first broadcast on American TV in 1972, when I was 11 years old. I had a little Sears cassette recorder, and I taped the movie audio, holding the recorder up to the speaker of the TV.  I must have listened to the tape for hours and hours.  This is when I became a Beatles fan and a rock music fan.   

Back when the film was released on DVD in the late 90's, I played the film for my kids, who were age 6 and 3 at the time. They loved it and became lifelong Beatles fans as well (although not as much as dad).
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Name 3 good things that came from the Yellow Submarine film on: August 17, 2012, 10:09:13 PM
It's all too much - 2009 stereo remix/remastered - Incredible song and audio experience. One of my top 10 Beatles songs.

The 09-09-2009 Beatles album releases were not remixes, but remasters.  The 1987 CDs were mastered with the equipment available at the time, but the technology  improved significantly by the late 2000's.  The engineers at Abbey Road first did a blind audition of several analog-to-digital transfer machines, selecting the one they thought sounded the best.   The original mono and stereo album master tapes were then transferred to digital at 24-bit 192 kHz.  They worked on the recordings in the lab, adding some EQ here and there and removing imperfections like microphone pops or static.  "Performance related imperfections", such as the squeaky chair at the end of A Day In The Life, were left alone.  Some limiting was also added, but to the stereo masters only.  I think they did a fantastic job.

There is a 24-bit 44.1 kHz release of the stereo albums available - it was released on a USB stick that had a green apple enclosure.

The "Yellow Submarine Songtrack" CD in the late 90's was a complete re-mix from the multitracks. A remix was necessary, so the DVD could have a 5.1 surround sound soundtrack.   I also like this re-mix a lot, but it was very controversial at the time, as many critics felt that the original sound of these Beatles recordings had been altered too significantly.

As this is a Beach Boys board and not a Beatles board, I will say something about the Beach Boys.  I think the engineers did a fantastic job with the stereo and 5.1 re-mixes of Pet Sounds; somehow, by some miracle,  they provided a great re-mix that sounded true to the original mono.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Way to Listen to TWGMTR? on: August 14, 2012, 10:37:37 AM
Sennheiser HD 595 headphones (on Amazon for $150 used) - CMoy headphone amp ($60) - Download 24-bit version on ($18) - Burn audio-only DVD with DVD2One - play with DVD player, with the CMoy plugged in to the analog audio output of the DVD player.

This is about the cheapest audiophile setup I can imagine.  The album sounds incredible with this setup.  I think it was mixed with headphones in mind, since so many listeners today use iPhones and iPods.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Bruce? on: August 06, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
A user called KittyKat was impersonating Bruce, so I asked Bruce at the Red Rocks meet-and-greet whether he posts on this board. He said that he does not post on the internet at all.  None of the principals post here.  I would not read or post here if I were one of the principals. This is not a criticism of this board (I love this board and read it several times a week); like other boards, the comments are sometimes negative, personal, and from a position of ignorance - as is the case with the internet in general.

We do occasionally get posts from people connected to the Beach Boys such as Mark Linett.
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Somewhat painful Bruce Johnston interview in a Dutch magazine on: July 26, 2012, 07:35:27 AM
Bruce may well indeed read this, and my two cents might mean he'll trash my book,

Bruce isn't going to read this.  I asked him after the soundcheck at Red Rocks whether he reads or posts to this board, and he emphatically said that he doesn't read or post anything on this or any other board.   If I were an artist, I wouldn't read the boards either. They're filled with ignorant, personal, negative crap.

 I attended the soundcheck at both the Dallas and Red Rocks shows, and Bruce was very friendly and gracious at both, and he went out of his way to engage the crowd who bought the VIP packages.  During the Red Rocks soundcheck, I yelled "Bruce, you sound great!" (which he did), to which he said, "Brian's the guy to thank, he wrote it, I just sing."   That doesn't sound like an egomaniac to me.  I know he has his bad moments, but he's 70 years old, and he and his mates gave me 3 hours and 10 minutes of fantastic entertainment (2:45 of actual playing + 25 minute soundcheck, 6 soundcheck songs + 51 show songs). I can overlook his faults.

I am a Democrat and a fan of Obama, but I don't have any problem with people who think he's a bad president. In a comment a couple of months ago (secretly taped by a fan), Bruce said, "we're f***ked if Obama gets re-elected. But our guy (Romney) is bad too."   I don't have a problem with that comment, and I do recognize that he could be right.  I do have a problem with people repeating right-wing lies, such as "Obamacare gets between you and your doctor" (rated FALSE by, "Obamacare is the largest middle class tax increase in history" (rated PANTS ON FIRE), "Obamacare is government takeover of healthcare and/or socialized medicine (2010 Lie of the Year)", Obama was born in Kenya (according to Trump and Huckabee, rated PANTS ON FIRE), Obama apologizes for America (repeatedly rated FALSE), etc.

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds now available in 24-bit HD on: July 17, 2012, 11:36:38 AM
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