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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains - Feb. 67 Fanmix on: September 12, 2019, 07:15:52 PM
I really, really like the H&V mix. Wow! Good start, good momentum, good choices, bonkers ending. And it had the pocket symphony vibe of GV. Concise!

Well done, 2016 Niles!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on \ on: January 15, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
I thought it was some combination of Brian/Carl/Al (!) all these years, but after listening to the isolated vocals presented above, my vote is... Brian singing all the lines in the chorus, albeit at a different tape speed than the final version.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The New York State fair on: August 25, 2017, 05:10:48 PM
Oh, good- Pisces Brother. I was worried they weren't going to play it. The crowd is just riveted
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The New York State fair on: August 25, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
I'll certainly be there. Next step is getting them to play the Lakeview Amphitheater here.

Surely it'll be a greatest hits setlist, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they'll play at least a couple "deeper" (use that word loosely) cuts.

I'm expecting nothing but a tight band and some dancing and singing along.

Oh, right-- I'll further be identifiable from my loud, drunken singing. Short hair, goatee, fat, drunk, singing loudly and badly, early 30s. That's me, say hi.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The New York State fair on: August 25, 2017, 04:17:31 AM
I'll be hanging out around the fried dough-- drunk, fat, early 30s
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The New York State fair on: August 24, 2017, 11:45:13 AM
I'll be there-- my first time seeing M&B outside of the C50. I figure a State Fair gig will have lots of good energy. I kind of wanted to be all butthurt superfan about it-- I'll still tell anyone who'll listen that it's "not the real Beach Boys"-- but hey, it's still a Beach Boy(s).
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aren't You Glad (2017 Stereo Mix) up on youtube! on: June 26, 2017, 12:37:38 PM
The part under discussion has to be Carl. Haha I wonder if we could use speed variations to make each Wilson sound like another Wilson with other songs?  LOL
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs By Otrher Acts That Quote Beach Boys Lyrics on: May 26, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
On the 1980 Harry Nilsson LP "Flash Harry," the song "Old Dirt Road"-- written by Nilsson and John Lennon in '74ish-- there's a part where Nilsson sings about water and the background vocals sing a cascading "water, water, water, water" that definitely reminds me "Cool, Cool Water."

That probably doesn't count, tho.

EDIT: Wikipedia tells me the line was actually a "reference to Bob Nolan's song "Cool Water." So ignore completely I guess.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meeting Brian & Al vs Mike & Bruce on: May 16, 2017, 06:41:16 AM
I've never heard a story really of Brian being an a-hole or being mean to anyone.

Consider the source but Steve Jones (Sex Pistols) in new memoir "Lonely Boy" (which I'm reading now) claims that Brian was the rudest celebrity guest he ever had on his radio show. Jones says that he's aware of Brian's psychological issues but says it was "no excuse for being an a**hole" but he doesn't really elaborate on exactly what happened.

That's the only example I've ever read about where Brian is specifically called out for being rude. God knows the pairing of Steve Jones and Brian Wilson is a bad idea anyway. 

Wayne Coyne of The Flaming Lips also called Brian out for rudeness after an interview. Coyne came off as a real asshole.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 16, 2017, 05:41:00 AM
Maybe they had simply forgotten about it by the time CatP/ST was in the works.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 11, 2017, 08:17:13 AM
I love this song. It sets a forlorn mood from the very beginning, with the flutes and keys and a wistful-sounding Dennis, but then it grows majestic as Dennis opens up with "Whoever said...". . The BB harmonies provide a beautiful, lush background. It peaks and softens, peaks again and we're back to the verse After another go 'round, we're treated to the guitar break-- evocative, again-- and Dennis' final chorus before the unbelievably funky flute outro, which just kicks so much ass that I'm left wanting more, the low voices chanting "Live again" as it fades.

Another Dennis masterpiece, up there with the best of his work imo. It's not brilliant musically, but the song takes you throughout a range of emotion, and that's important, too. Dennis' vocals are really stellar, and I think it's his best vocal work from when he still had his youthful voice. I just heard this on shuffle in the car the other day, and I was completely captivated for the duration of the song. I think about it a lot, actually, and always want it to come up on shuffle.

My wife is not a BB fan (except via osmosis), and this song really got her attention when it was released. She loves it too, and I chalk that up to the delivery of the chorus. It's impossible not to feel Dennis' emotion in the song.

I now think it's just as amazing as I did when it was released. It should have been released in the 1970s, although it would have been just as criminally underappreciated as the rest of the band's work during this period.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Be With Me had been on Pet Sounds? on: April 28, 2017, 09:23:10 AM
Interesting question, but I have to come clean right off the bat and say I don't like the song much at all, so if I were putting another song on Pet Sounds, I definitely wouldn't choose that one. And for what it's worth--nothing--I actually wouldn't change Pet Sounds anyway. I love it as-is.

Obviously a lot of people have played around with "The Little Girl I Once Knew," usually replacing "Sloop John B." I wouldn't remove SLB, but I can see TLGIOK being in there somewhere.

But my choice off the top of my head might be this: "Meant For You." Imagine it kicking off the album, the "Prayer" to "Wouldn't It Be Nice"'s "H&V." It's a pretty little prologue of premeditation. It says "I'm going to tell this story that actually ends somewhat painfully, but it was a beautiful experience, I'm at peace with the journey now, and I'm thinking of you." Then, BOOM, back in time to the excited younger man of "Wouldn't It Be Nice?"
That's simply a fantastic idea, Captain.
"Meant For You" is pure bliss (and my fav answer to anybody who'd say that Mike isn't a good singer), but of course it is... too short. And yes, it's like a prologue to something that never comes.
But, using it as the prologue to Pet Sounds, of all things... Wow!  


Ah, but since the MiC boxset came out, we have the rest of Meant for You and it turns out it's a prologue to puppies and horses!

(Which I absolutely adore).
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Kokomo Live on: April 28, 2017, 09:08:58 AM
I agree completely, especially the "Jamaica" ending. On the 50th live CD/DVD, the song gets off to a rough start, as well, as the drums and strummed acoustic sort of come in on different places and at different cadences.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Random Beach Boys Moments Redux on: April 18, 2017, 07:18:12 PM
I randomly found this in Avengers #234 by Roy Thomas and Al Milgrom (published in 1983). And boy was I surprised.



15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncutís ďAsk Mike LoveĒ on: March 21, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
Going to have disagree with you there-- I don't need anymore "Brian's Back" than what we have.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston records \ on: March 17, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
In terms of the original BB recording, I've always felt it was *near* perfect. The middle eight instrumental bars always take away from it for me. It's not a guitar solo. It's chords. It always sounds like something else belongs there. It has no melodic interest for eight measures in a piece that is virtually overflowing with melodic interest.

I disagree. To me that is one perfect "less-is-more" instrumental break.

Totally agree. Might be my favorite part of the song, especially live, when they started injecting it with a little more energy.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Arranged 'Be With Me'? on: March 17, 2017, 08:18:19 AM
Carl was a great guitar player. There's more to guitar playing than just blazing lead parts. He knew every chord, every variation of every chord, what to play and what not to play, he just had it all together musically.

Absolutely. There are players, and there are musicians. All three Wilson brothers were more musicians than players, but Carl was the one who really could play, too.* I mean, really play. Not shred. Play.


*Yes, Brian was a pretty good keyboard player, too, in a way. (I want to say "in a clumsy, clunky sort of way," which I know will just piss people off, so I won't say it. Even though I kind-of just did.) But I think Carl's guitar playing was better than Brian's keyboard playing.

Yeah, but Brian's keyboard playing seems to have fed into his songwriting in really interesting ways. I think Brian's excellent bass lines and chord voicings emerged out of his heavy left hand, boogie woogie piano style. And it ain't like it's easy to play the "Child is the father of the man" refrain at the end of "Surf's Up." Brian could do exactly what he needed to do, and that ended up turning a lot of conventional songwriting on its head. I believe it's impossible to separate Brian's heavenly output from his piano playing. If that wasn't how he played piano, he might not have written the way he did.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why no new album in 1975? on: March 17, 2017, 07:20:05 AM
I was absolutely floored the first time I heard "River Song," and that was before I was an obsessed fan. I think it had the best chance as a single of anything else they had at that point.

Wasn't "Rainbows (string bass song)" also recorded by 1975? Another fun pop track that might have gotten some love and advanced the popular perception of the "Beach Boys sound."

Of course, neither of these have a Brian Wilson writing credit... Which raises another interesting point. Dennis and Brian never wrote much together until the cocaine/hamburger sessions. It would be tough to see how that arrangement would have worked, given that both brothers had trouble getting their productions across the finish line without help from the rest of the group and Carl, especially. And neither was exactly an accomplished wordsmith. But it would have been cool if Brian and Dennis had managed to genuinely collaborate on a few tracks while they both still had some fire in their bellies.

Also, let's not forget that there is some evidence Dennis was a big part in the return to the oldies concert format after the Rieley era and the beginning of the Endless Summer. You don't hear from the fans when you're laying down tracks for your new, groundbreaking project in the studio, but you definitely hear them screaming for Little Deuce Coupe from the audience when you're on stage trying to play your latest, forward-looking compilation. Must have been a bummer.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Arranged 'Be With Me'? on: March 16, 2017, 01:16:37 PM
Could Carl play much of anything outside of his surf/C. Berry style of guitar?? 

Back when Carl was living in Colorado in the early '90s, I heard stories of him popping into local clubs and sitting in with blues bands. I think his bluesy playing on Dennis' "Holy Man", while not technically great, has a great bluesy "feel", and would maybe be indicative of that side of his guitar ability.

This is the most interesting new (to me) piece of information I'd heard in a while. Count me among those wishing to hear Carl Wilson cut loose with a guitar solo.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Piano on Darlin' on: March 02, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
Wracking my brain to figure out what tracks use that toy upright!
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 4th Of July - appreciation thread. on: March 02, 2017, 12:19:18 PM
I used to like it a lot more than I do now. Love the production, but it sounds a little flat. I've always figured that more would have been added to the track. I sing my own background vocals when it plays, but they aren't any good. Would Dennis/Carl have added additional voices if the song was truly set for the album? I think so.

Honestly, I never had any idea what the lyrics mean, so I'm glad for the analysis.

My pet peeve with the song-- I dislike the double-tracked lead vocal. Always felt this was a scratch vocal, and that it would have been improved if set for release.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Hand in Vocal Arrangements on: February 24, 2017, 06:30:32 AM
We've crowdsourced research on this board before-- I see no problem with c-man's presentation. It could have been a very fun exercise.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Hand in Vocal Arrangements on: February 23, 2017, 12:07:19 PM
Maybe I need to re-re-read all of the posts in this thread, but I'm not seeing some huge epic "Mike vs. Brian" or "Mike bashing" going on.

As someone who has started threads that have been sidetracked, hijacked, motives called into question, I don't see anything nearly that heinous going on here.

If one thinks Mike maybe didn't arrange vocals in the way someone else may be thinking he did, and believes that the arranging was firmly in the hands of Brian despite plenty of contributions from all of the band members, that's not some huge epic thread-hijacking "anti-Mike" attempt.

Is it possible in posing a question about Mike's role in arranging that you might come across a particularly zealous fan who tends to really lean towards Brian's role in the band? Sure. Is it possible someone is reading the top post and imbuing it with more "motive" (e.g. pumping up Mike's role) than is there? Sure. This is all par for the course on this or any board.

C-man is *not*, however, someone that would do something like this. Much as I have pondered specific stories or comments or moments in the band's history and then posed an open question to the board, it's clear this is what c-man was doing.

I don't see anybody in this thread who was not open to a back and forth on this topic.

I think it's important to not get too "anti-Mike", either in content and certainly in terms of the more silly rhetoric. Same goes for being overly-defensive of Brian.

But it's also important to not jump to the conclusion that disagreeing with a point such as the one in question (Mike "arranged" vocals by some definition) means there is some nefarious anti-Mike motive.

I'm just perplexed that among the MYRIAD of crazy, bomb-tossing threads that have devolved into madness, *this* is the thread being singled out as a "parody" of what others think of the board, or rising to the level of people leaving the board?

Oh please. After the first OSD comment, it was all downhill. A few good people tried to get it back on track, but almost every other friggin' post was calculated to make sure Mike Love didn't get TOO much credit, despite what Carl said.

(edited to indicate which of HeyJude's posts I was responding to).
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Hand in Vocal Arrangements on: February 23, 2017, 11:26:12 AM
Ugh. This thread reads like a parody of this board put together by the PS Forum.

And, GuitarFool, you quickly jumped down c-man's throat with this "well it looks like Mike is looking for more credit" BS. And the thread turned into another opportunity to either bash Mike or pretend to be fair-minded about him while also taking the opportunity to bash him. And then it veered toward "if only Mike would let it go" for some unfathomable reason.

This board doesn't deserve c-man, if this is how he will be treated. Unbelievable.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: January 31, 2017, 11:01:29 AM
This is the incorrect speed, right?
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