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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes & Villians - Alternative 60's Single Edit (fan made) on: December 07, 2011, 10:14:13 AM
I dig it, especially the first minute and a half or so is really solid. Of course it still suffers from the same problem that all versions of H&V have, that there's no good catchy chorus, but that's Brian's fault of course, not yours, Thanks for the download!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things H&V on: November 27, 2011, 06:39:09 PM

Same goes for "Great Shape."  I don't see that as a chorus at all. 

Yeah, and remember that in the "Part 1" mix of H&V there isn't a chorus at all. I don't think that Brian had even thought of a chorus for the song until around when he lifted the Bicycle Rider theme from Worms.

The way I've been thinking about it lately, I'm pretty sure that the so-called "Barnyard Suite', that being Great Shape, Barnyard, Old Master Painter, Sunshine, and Barnshine, may have been the original intent for H&V Part 2. In the demo, Brian hums the 'Heroes and Villains theme' (ba-babababa-ba-bababa-be-baaaaaaaa) before starting to play Great Shape, and now on the box that same theme ends Heroes and Villains proper. I mean, there's not any historical basis for this, really, except for the fact that none of the parts of the suite are long enough (in my opinion) to be songs in their own right, and while it hardly follows any sort of traditional verse-chorus song structure, it has a good enough flow for the B-side of a single. I could also see the whole suite being put under the catchall 'I'm in Great Shape' on the handwritten 12-song list, since we're all but sure that Brian didn't write the list they could have just called it by name given to the first section.

I could be wrong, of course. But it's neat to think about.
3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: of Montreal and Smile on: November 27, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
Anyone heard the new of Montreal song?  IN a dramatic twist, Barnes is suddenly making something reminiscent of Gay Parade-era of Montreal! 

Don't believe it?  I didn't either...

What do you guys think?  I haven't been interested in their "Prince-era" so this is actually pretty exciting! 

Pretty good, I dig it. I agree with the others by saying it reminds me more of Hissing Fauna than Gay Parade, but either way it's a solid track. I'm normally more of an Apples or Olivia Tremor Control fan as far as Elephant 6 goes, but I wouldn't mind picking this album up...
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dumb Angel- was it completed ? on: November 24, 2011, 01:24:19 PM
I dunno, wasn't the inspiration for the modular recording based on the success of of the same technique in Good Vibrations? And since GV was recorded during the Pet Sounds sessions, if this is the case it would hardly give Brian time to write up any other tunes in the interim. And if you mean the songs that we did get for Smile, well, we did have a couple demos (Surf's Up and Vegetables) but for the most part it seems like Brian didn't really have a handle on the structure of each song, hence why the demo we have of H&V is nothing at all like any of the released versions.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Vegatables on: November 20, 2011, 07:27:35 PM
For me the TSS "Vega-Tables" is the version I've waited over 30 years to hear.

Agreed, and adding that this version is possibly the Smile song I've been waiting for, as I have to say it's the real high point of the album. And considering how good the versions of Surf's Up and Worms and Dada are (and, really, just about all of the tracks except possibly Great Shape are excellent), that's high praise, I'd say. A perfect second single for an incredible album.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Is The Weird Fascination With The \ on: November 20, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
I like Smiley Smile. It was actually the first BB album I ever bought, mainly because I dug the songs I had heard from Smile. Not crazy about the H&V mix, but I like most of the rest of it, love the big chunky organ on Gettin' Hungry and the tape manipulation on She's Going Bald, actually like the Smiley version of Vegetables quite a lot, it's nicely minimalist. It's the BBs album that I would make, I think.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: oh my god on: November 16, 2011, 11:55:26 AM
When I think Nazareth, I think Hair of the Dog.

And jeez, Nazareth AND Wishbone Ash in the same forum thread? I'm feeling some big 70's hard rock vibes here!

"I want to be a warrior, fighting to be freeeee...."
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Kiss and The Beach Boys on: November 16, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
It's funny that when I heard the piano line on the box my mind was blown, and somehow I NEVER noticed that the fuzz bass on the chorus of Worms uses the exact same line until a couple days ago. So I guess there was a precedent for the piano line, and it's not just that Paul Stanley is a time traveler who copped his melody lines from some Beach Boys unknown studio noodling. Which is too bad, because that would be way cooler.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things DYLW on: November 06, 2011, 08:35:42 PM
I can also imagine an awesome 30-minute take of Good Vibrations, full of swirling vocals and theremin solos. It's much better than what was released!

I imagined I heard them encore with that at Monterey Pop!!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Evolution of Heroes and Villains on: November 06, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
I don't know if anyone else has ever thought this before, but is it possible that Great Shape was originally to be the section of H&V eventually supplanted with the cantina section? To me at least the bits even sound similar for the first couple notes, and a rough replacement doesn't sound too jarring, though the cantina section does sound better that might just be because I'm used to it. I've always thought that Great Shape was too short to be anything but a section, in any event...
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: November 06, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
Well, if that be the case, I prefer my own "Heroes & Villains Part 2" edit(which follows Domenic Priore's instructions from the 2nd edition of "Look Listen Vibrate Smile") This edit concludes with "My Children Were Raised"

Yeah, I had said it before but the only part of the box that I'm really disappointed with is Heroes pt. 2. It's not that the music is bad, but it's just a bunch of unconnected Heroes sections that don't flow together at all. I've been pretty sour on the idea of a part 2 for a while now mainly because I had never heard one that sounded like an actual song, until JMZ's mix I heard last month which was so good as to be reinvigorating.

I'll come up with my own mix for the song one of these days...
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE as a double LP on: November 06, 2011, 02:30:55 PM
i don't see how smile ever would have been on a single lp.  I mean they printed the sleeves right? no way all those songs would have fit.

It's been a while, but with my last Smile mix I was able to make a 40something minute LP with the 12 songs listed. To me, making a comprehensive, flowing 2LP would be tougher than a single.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things DYLW on: November 06, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
Great post Holy Bee! It really stimulates the creative process, making you think about the relationships between songs more...and if nothing else, I'm starting to find the idea of Worms opening with Bicycle Rider pretty attractive...gonna have to boot up Audacity and move some things around to see what happens...
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Freaky stuff by me on: November 04, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
Hey hey, here's a track I recorded a couple years ago for an album that still isn't out yet. I haven't made music for a bit but I put out 7 albums with my friends from 2004 to 2010, played a couple experimental festivals in LA, and mostly had fun. It's pretty 'weird' I guess, we started out as pretty noisy but once I discovered 60s music (thanks in no small part to the Beach Boys!) I kind of pushed the sound toward really 'psychedelic', that's what you're hearing here, I guess. Anyway, somebody out there may be amused by this is a small way, I'll upload some other, less abrasive tracks sometime. If you like it, feel free to look at my channel, where I also did a (purposely!) terrible cover of The Shaggs 'My Pal Foot Foot'.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Wind Chimes by Dave on: November 04, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
Great work, you really do have a lot of Brian in your vocals. The chorus vocals are gorgeous. I'm impressed!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Box set: Ghost melodies, clues, hints, and new mysteries on: November 04, 2011, 06:26:48 PM
Yeah, all this stuff is really interesting, the DYLW bit blew me away. I didn't notice a couple you mentioned, I'll have to look them up.

As far as The Old Master Painter goes, remember that it's an old standard, so it's had lyrics for a while...Sinatra covered it. In the session where Brian quotes the lyrics, he may have just been giving the musicians a point of reference for the melody.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Deciphering \ on: November 04, 2011, 05:39:55 PM
I love Speeches. When I first heard Smile 10 or so years ago, it was one of my favourite tracks. It could probably be shoehorned into Heroes or Vegetables without too much trouble.

I'm also surprised that Brian gets credit for the lyrics since it feels very "Parksian". Of course, I've always also felt that Vegetables lyrics don't sound "Parksian" at all, so I guess it can be chalked up to confusion.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The HV Single on: November 04, 2011, 05:33:35 PM
I have to say my biggest disappointment with the set is "Part 2" since it really is just a handful of sections, and mostly the same handful of sections in the same order that we've had for years. Though of course, I'm still of the mindset that there never was a 'Part 2' back in the 60s and the idea of a separate song has simply come from confusion with how the tapes are named.

That being said, Part 1 remains my favourite Beach Boys song, so it's not all bad. And I love how the 7" looks.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: November 02, 2011, 12:34:54 PM
You know, I can do without most of the Psychodelic Sounds tracks, but I have to admit there's one line in the Hal Blaine bit that cracks me up, however unintentional.

"Yer gonna get a tomata all over yer puss!"
"Don't say puss."
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things \ on: November 02, 2011, 11:45:14 AM
The only bit that feels odd to me is Great Shape...Barnyard sounds fantastic, I think, and YAMS is good as always. There's something about Great Shape that just feels weird, maybe it's how it's structured, because to be honest I've never had a problem with the demo vocals. I'll have to give it a few more tries, but this might be one bit I redo for my next mix.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: November 02, 2011, 10:35:27 AM
Blown away...this song, along with Worms, is one of those numbers I never really had much interest in, but Mark and Alan really filled out Child, made it more layered and, really, more of a 'song' as opposed to just an intro to Surf's Up. Love the new vocal line, splicing together the different versions, really might possibly win 'most improved' for me!
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: False Barnyard---the book? on: November 01, 2011, 06:45:11 PM
I totally do. It's too bad we have all those pesky copyright laws that prevent you from appropriating music and pawning it off as your own. Oh well. At least there's one medium where you can legally steal from people and make a profit off those who don't know any better.

I do love it how you refer to this as your "work." Do you consider yourself an artist?

Not to get involved in this discussion, but I did want to point out there there is a genre of music called "Plunderphonics" which is completely made up of samples of other people's work.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: November 01, 2011, 06:20:33 PM
I'm impressed! Gave a listen to discs 1 and 2 of the box and haven't had any real complaints so far. Conversely, there are a few real great surprises; Dada and Surf's Up on disc 1 were very well-done, probably the best Dada I've heard. Really dug the H&V 'verse remake' which I don't think I had heard before today. Amazed at what I always thought were scatting vocals on 'barbershop' are them saying 'boys and girls' which might show my lack of attention, or possibly just that I had really poor quality recordings of that section prior. The fly-ins all sound great, except possibly the 'whispering wind' section which feels a little odd, but I don't mind Great Shape or Barnyard, and I actually really like the added vocals to Dada. Taking a break now but I'll get through at least one more disc tonight.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Look on: November 01, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
I thought I was going to hate the vocals, but they're subtle enough that they don't bother me. They don't really add to the song, but they may grow on me more as time goes on.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things I Love to Say Dada on: November 01, 2011, 06:00:40 PM
I dig the flown in vocals, I think they add to the song. This and Worms were always two songs I felt I could've done without, and I'm impressed with both of them on this set.
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