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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Celebrate The News on Feel Flows box set on: September 17, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
The remix of Celebrate the News is one thing I don't like about FF. Why bother trying to improve on perfection? The vocals sit oddly in the mix, whether because of being mixed too loud or the reverb they seem to have added to them (correct me if I'm wrong here). It's great to hear the vocals in isolation at the end, of course, but that just confirms me in my view that they should have made this a vocals-and-instrumentals deconstruction track rather than a straight-up remix.

Also, at the risk of losing friends here: is it wrong of me to wonder how Dennis produced tracks of the precision and complexity of Celebrate the News and San Miguel in 1969 that he never matched later? Do his production credits on these songs belie a fair bit of involvement from Brian? By the same token, surely Sunflower is rich in Brian Wilson vocal arrangements, even where they aren't his songs or production credits. This seems to be to be an under-appreciated (see what I did there?) fact about the album.

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Definitely a Spector-esque vibe, but also it's got somewhat of a sinister and extremely rocking vibe.

Perfectly described.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 09, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Mark Lewisohn on the tale about Brian Epstein hyping Love Me Do into the British charts:

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North-west sales this first Friday and Saturday – with the epicentre in Liverpool – sent Love Me Do straight into the Top Fifty, the one compiled for the following Thursday’s Record Retailer: it snuck in at 49 ... So freakish was all of this, rumours quickly took grip that Brian was hyping the chart, buying in boxes of Love Me Do to fake its position ... No one considered Brian’s membership of a committee that challenged suspicions of chart malpractice, or his resistance to faking My Bonnie into even his own shop’s published Top Twenty, or – most striking of all – the fact that, in 1962, it made no difference how many copies a shop sold of any record because the charts weren’t computed that way. Nems had been a ‘chart return’ operation for years – it still provided data to Melody Maker and also now to Record Retailer – but those papers’ weekly phone calls or printed questionnaires didn’t ask for sales figures, only for a shop’s bestselling records ranked from 1 to 30; the papers awarded thirty points to the number 1 record down to one point for the number 30, and calculated an overall national total. All the charts were produced this way, as they still were in America. Brian Epstein had no need to buy ten thousand Love Me Dos to fake it into the charts; he didn’t even need to buy one. He did buy a couple of thousand copies, because the majority of Beatles fans wanted to buy it from Nems’ three stores, and because he was the manager and agent of this band and EMI had sent him one free copy.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 08, 2021, 07:33:44 AM
A mere #83 on the Billboard Top 200. Still, 68 places higher than Sunflower ...

https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 07, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
This isn't the actual Billboard Top 200 albums chart, but something based (I assume) on sales rather than airplay and streams -- no doubt making it more favourable to a release like FF. Still cool though.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 06, 2021, 09:20:20 AM
Or it could be a clumsily expressed reference to the line "uninspired, drenched and tired".
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 04, 2021, 12:07:43 PM
Wow - #19 on the UK charts. Still waiting on Billboard.

https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 31, 2021, 12:30:55 PM
86 on Metacritic from seven reviews - five 80s and two 90s.

https://www.metacritic.com/music/feel-flows-the-sunflower-surfs-up-sessions-1969-1971/the-beach-boys

Included is a four-star review from Rolling Stone, which I'm afraid isn't nearly as sharp as the great review they ran for Wake The World/I Can Hear Music.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/feel-flows-the-sunflower-surfs-up-sessions-1969-1971-goes-deep-on-two-beach-boys-classics-1218719/
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 27, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Who is that on 'baby baby'?

Why would they ruin such a good song with awful signing
Daryl Dragon, perchance? He has a co-writer credit, if the Wikipedia details are to be believed, and the song sounds very much to me like it was made up on the spot.

Speaking of writing credits, Awake is credited to Brian and David Sandler. Whatever became of Floyd Tucker?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 26, 2021, 10:56:15 PM
I think my favourite thing here is Old Movie. It was always obvious that setting an orchestra loose on Make It Good was a mistake, but I now feel it was no less so on Cuddle Up.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 26, 2021, 07:02:23 AM
It's now live on Spotify here in Australia.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 25, 2021, 08:23:45 PM
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The Beach Boys Feel Flows Chapter 2: White Hot Glistening

So we're back to "white hot" now?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 20, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
Imo San Miguel is one of the unreleased greats. Superb energy, rocking guitar solo, great arrangment and sublime harmonies. How the hell didn't this make the cut on Sunflower or Surf's Up Huh

Jack Rieley's perspective on the track selection for Surf's Up, including the exclusion of San Miguel, is related in the posts from "Beach Head" on this page:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=9651.0

Rieley at first appears to take "credit" for the decision on the grounds that it was "just a hook, not a song" -- whatever the hell that means -- before claiming the decision was "made by Dennis Wilson, with Brian Wilson and Carl Wilson and I supporting him". I personally find it a bit hard to believe that Dennis would have preferred having nothing at all on Surf's Up to San Miguel, but who knows.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FEEL FLOWS - Chapter One. . . on: August 19, 2021, 08:19:19 AM
I would like to a) concur with the above comments about the video, and b) draw everyone's attention to the fact that two killer new tracks from the boxed set have just dropped on Spotify, which I've just commented on in the main thread:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26791.msg674266.html#msg674266
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 19, 2021, 08:16:42 AM
As usual, Friday brings a few new tasters from the boxed set, which you can access now on Spotify if you're in New Zealand/east coast of Australia, or linked there through a VPN. Otherwise they will be there when the clock strikes midnight in your time zone. (ETA: Actually, it may just be available everywhere - I'm able to get it without the VPN in my pre-midnight time zone right now).

One of these is the most exciting so far IMO, namely the remix of San Miguel we heard a glimpse of in that video with Mark Linnell (I think it was) a year or so ago. It's awesome -- miles more powerful than the previously released mix. Among other things, there is a bit of harmony vocal that wasn't on the previous version in the bit between the last chorus and the fadeout section.

The other is Feel Flows - Track & Backing Vocals, which is also great. It gives us a chance to hear the backing vocals unobscured by either the lead vocal or the Leslie effect (or whatever it was) that was applied on the released version. For the first time, you can really hear what's being sung on the chorus ("white puff glistening shadowy glow"), especially when it continues playing after the instrumental track fades out. Also, the instrumental section has just the saxophone with no flute.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 19, 2021, 12:18:38 AM
I feel pretty sure that it's Dennis, and can hear a continuity between it and his later bass vocals (the end of River Song and Shortenin' Bread being the two that spring to mind), allowing for his progressing raspiness.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 12, 2021, 09:36:02 AM
I think I'll just keep it on repeat all day.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 12, 2021, 09:34:07 AM
'Til I Die - A Cappella is on Spotify either now or later today, depending on your time zone.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 05, 2021, 10:04:58 AM
Another track up on Spotify: Slip On Through - Alternate 1969 Mix With Session Intro. Nothing too amazing - basically the Sunflower version with fewer overdubs and a false start take at the beginning.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 05, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
Thanks, SM. One of those "domino" harmony vocals (Carl's or Bruce's?) could have shattered a window.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 05, 2021, 07:01:23 AM
So apparently no one wants to talk about the other track that just got released. I have a few questions though about Surf's Up - A Cappella.

Was the entire vocal track for the first movement recorded in 1971? Who, if anyone, sings on it apart from Carl? And where exactly did "bygone, bygone" come from? Does it appear on anything that was recorded in 1966/67? Could it possibly have been an idea someone came up with in 1971, and if so who?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 03, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
Interestingly, this alternate ending is one of the only BB songs I can think of that has a true ending and doesn't fade out.

I can think of loads. The discussion got me thinking about fadeouts though, and some googling turned up the following article which happens to mention Caroline No.

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/the-fade-out-in-pop-music-why-dont-modern-pop-songs-end-by-slowly-reducing-in-volume.html
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 31, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
Thanks to Joshilyn and SM for their insights. Bruce, eh? Explains why it comes off that little bit too gooey.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 29, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
The Surf's Up a cappella would seem to be straightforwardly the vocal track from the 1971 version. This Whole World has a different vocal take for both Carl and Brian, though up to the ending the only obvious difference is that Carl sings "full of different people" rather than "lots of different people" and "ooh, here comes another day" rather than "now hear comes another day". At the very end though, rather than the a cappella tag, there's a quite different vocal arrangement designed to bring the song to a climax along with the end of the instrumental track. It's obviously great to hear, and the whole track is beautifully mixed, but the changes that were made on the released version were for the better.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 29, 2021, 09:38:56 AM
The two tracks are "This Whole World - Alternate Ending" and "Surf's Up - A Cappella". They are now available on Spotify here in Australia, it being after midnight here and us being quite near the International Date Line. The rest of the world should get them as their clocks tick over.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Demos posted to Brian Wilson's website on: July 21, 2021, 06:39:37 AM
I particularly enjoyed Sunshine. Clearly an album of Imagination demos would have been miles better than what was actually released.

That isn't a demo, it's an early mix of the track that's actually on the album.

Thanks - I guess I mean an album of rough mixes then, without having been buffed and polished into smooth and easy nothingness.
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