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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boy’s Favorites on: May 11, 2021, 12:38:59 PM
Brian has also singled out Surfer Girl on several occasions, as well as God Only Knows. Other than that he's mentioned Marcella and Darlin' as favorites over the years.

Mike I think might be a big fan of Kokomo, but that's only a guess.
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Will you support my Carl Wilson petition? on: May 11, 2021, 02:46:19 AM
I signed the petition, hope it gains some traction.
I've said it before, but I feel that Carl has become the forgotten Beach Boy. Their story is basically etched in stone at this point, with the following things understood:
Brian Wilson is a genius. He was a tormented genius for many years, until an angel named Melinda came along to rescue him from the evil Dr. Landy.
Mike Love is the guy in the baseball cap, the guy who never takes a break from touring, and never stops mouthing off about one thing or another.
Al Jardine has a great voice.
Dennis Wilson was the other tormented genius in the Beach Boys; a great songwriter who died too young.
Bruce Johnston is the guy in the shorts adjusting his mic stand, and clapping for the audience. And he's a Republican.
David Marks is the guitar god that got kicked out of the group.
Blondie Chaplin is a great entertainer that always gets the crowd fired up.
And I probably shouldn't leave out Darian - the genius behind the genius.

I think the general consensus is that Carl was an incredible singer and that it was him who held the band together from the early 70s on. Not a bad legacy at all if you ask me.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 08, 2021, 01:49:08 AM
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While one can wonder/speculate/debate how much of this was gentle nudging/guilt tripping/etc, and nobody will ever *truly* know (I feel it was likely there were grey areas, but that there had to have been an element of guilt tripping, somewhere on that spectrum, it was in the family DNA to do this stuff), I will certainly nevertheless say that the resulting WH album was a great moment and one of the best moments of the Brian/Mike songwriting collaboration in the history of the band.

I absolutely agree. For me, the lyrics on Wild Honey are some of the best the band ever did. They're fun and creative and they complement the music incredibly well. Come to think of it, Mike was really good at writing love songs together with Brian, as exemplified before on the B side of Today. Later on Mike's lyrical contributions would become pretty awful beginning with M.I.U. of course but before that he did some amazing work even beyond the early surf-era material (which of course is brilliant too).
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 07, 2021, 12:13:58 AM
It baffles me a bit how the Beach Boys insisted that TTGA become one of their songs but they never released it as a single, at least not as an A side. Instead they put out stuff like Bluebirds Over the Mountains which is a pretty uninspired production, to my ears anyway. Also, how did Carl get the sole production credit for TTGA if Brian was involved all the way?
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 05, 2021, 11:48:46 PM
I think one problem with the band's struggle for direction after Smile was how anticlimatic some of their ideas must have felt at the time. Today we know how brilliant Wild Honey is but reading the Paul Williams/David Anderle interview from back in the day suggests that it was much harder to fully appreciate it when it came out. Same with the transition from Surf's Up to Carl and the Passions, where fans were probably hoping for more "deep" stuff like 'Til I Die from Brian and instead he came up with Mess of Help and Marcella which I think are both incredible but they must have felt like lesser efforts at the time to many listeners I'm sure. I agree that Brian and the boys had always gone into new directions but to me, the steps from Surfer Girl to All Summer Long to Today to Pet Sounds feel more logical and confident than what they did in the late 60s and early 70s. I remember an interesting interview snippet from a BB documentary where Ed Roach said (I'm paraphrasing from memory here) that the band really splintered around the Holland period, constantly wondering what would be commercial and Dennis being frustrated about it. Maybe that's something that had already started a couple years earlier?
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 04, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
Wild Honey does sound like an album fashioned for a live band to play, I can absolutely hear that. What I find interesting is how only a couple of months later, it seems like Brian already had something else on his mind again when the band recorded Friends which abandoned the RnB approach and had several songs that don't lend themselves to a faithful live reproduction for multiple reasons (especially Busy Doin' Nothin', Diamond Head, Transcendental Meditation). I love the music on all of these records but I feel like the Beach Boys, for the first time ever, were struggling for direction around this time and they probably never fully recovered from that. In the years that followed they were trying out new directions all the time, like following up the celebrated Surf's Up with an album that sounds like The Band with some songs that almost sound like Wagner. To me it feels like they were constantly searching for a new sound in those years (going for "all over the place" and cover versions on 20/20, for lush and soft on Sunflower, for dark and contemporary on Surf's Up, etc.). Holland I think sounds like the most successful attempt at coming up with a consistent 70s sound but of course that's when they stopped recording for a couple of years so they didn't really pursue this direction either.
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: April 30, 2021, 01:57:17 AM
Mike Love And Bruce Johnston On The Maury Povich Show (1992)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vucnOZEvVYQ


"Summern in Paradise", Stamos and Brian are the main topics as far as I can tell. There's a short piano-only version of GV's chorus.

Strange times for the band. It looks like they had already turned into the Mike/Bruce show to a certain degree but with Alan and Carl still around of course. "Brian and I have been talking about writing together" - that was Mike's recurring line for 30 years since the early 80s.
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: April 23, 2021, 11:22:28 PM
The Marilyn quote and the Three Dog Night episode are both pretty telling. It's really no wonder Brian got into a more passive-aggressive mode at the time. The band also gave him a hard time over Old Man River, right? I find it remarkable that he still gave them any good material after all that, so I guess they probably reconciled their differences at least for some short periods of time, like for the Sunflower sessions where he was more involved afaik, although not as their leader (which I feel is apparent in the music, which is nice but doesn't really sound like a Brian production to me). In terms of making (and finishing) music I don't think he ever regained the drive he had in the 60s, except maybe for a brief period during the "Brian's Back" timeframe.
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce: A Constant Thread through the California Myth on: April 14, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
Bruce is much more interesting than his latter day stage persona, his solo records, or his loyalty to Mike would suggest. I'd love to read his autobiography but he's said several times over the years that he's not going to write one.
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is Al Jardine on Surfin USA? on: March 31, 2021, 02:42:51 AM
You probably can’t go past the original liner notes plus additional notes from Brian in 1990 when this was issued as a twofer with Surfin Safari.

http://albumlinernotes.com/Surfin_Safari_Surfin_USA.html

"I sang “Lonely Sea” from my heart and it was all about a swimming pool called the ocean."

Pure Brianism!
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most important Beach Boys members in vocal blends? on: March 25, 2021, 12:59:18 AM
The original blend is impossible to beat. Surfer Girl, In My Room, Don't Worry Baby, you name it. I even think that the "purity" of their early vocal blend is part of why their work from '63 to '65 remains their most popular music for the "general public". That said I don't mind Bruce Johnston's voice at all; what I mind is really the absence of Brian's vocals on some of their later productions after Friends. The singing is still great but for me it lacks some of the magic from before.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits? on: March 21, 2021, 01:43:18 AM
Bass vocals: Don't Worry Baby, Catch a Wave - I always sing along to these when I hear those songs. Great stuff!
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits? on: March 18, 2021, 11:38:47 PM
Some of my favorite Mike vocals:

Surfin' USA, Little Deuce Coupe, Good to My Baby, Kiss Me Baby, California Girls, Aren't You Glad, Meant for You, Do It Again, Big Sur

In terms of lyrics, I love all the fun-in-the-sun stuff and Wild Honey is incredibly consistent too. Also, his work with Brian on Today! doesn't get enough credit.
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: March 16, 2021, 10:41:19 PM
They don't look very enthusiastic here. LOL
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike is 80 ~ Say Happy Birthday on: March 15, 2021, 01:41:15 AM
Happy 80th birthday to Mike Love - I love his contributions to the Beach Boys in terms of lyrics, lead vocals, and yes, stage performances.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 08, 2021, 11:19:03 PM
There's an article from 1991 in the Chicago Tribune that goes into the discord between Brian and the family during that era:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nrxGqP8z3V8J:https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-11-17-9104140084-story.htm

This Brian-Carl anecdote from that piece has always stuck with me:

Although the case is scheduled to go to court Monday, Wilson says it may not get that far, partially because of a recent meeting between Wilson and Carl at a hotel near the Los Angeles airport.
''Just me and Carl . . .'' Wilson says. ''Just two brothers. We were singing. There was a piano there. We were doing our vocals.''
The brothers sang some old Beach Boys classics-including ''Wild Honey'' and ''Aren`t You Glad'' and ''Darlin` ''-that haven`t been heard much in the past 15 years as the group has become chiefly a surf-and-car nostalgia act.
It was a rare moment of harmony in the family`s stormy past.


Wouldn't it be nice to have footage of THAT?
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Great stuff! It's easy to picture these two bonding over the Wild Honey material, which was probably their most successful collaboration, with Carl stepping more to the forefront while Brian was still in charge of the songwriting.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 06, 2021, 09:43:57 AM
It's pretty obvious they had a difficult relationship, at least after the 60s. I find it really hard to guess when and why it started. I'm sure Landy played a role but there must be a lot more to it.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys re-unite for “Add Some Music to Your Day” re-recording. on: February 28, 2021, 11:43:53 PM
It's nice. Nothing more but certainly nothing less either. The best part for me is hearing Al sing. I really hope Brian's doing well. Last we heard was he was getting his vaccine, right?
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: February 18, 2021, 09:50:58 PM
1979 is a mysterious year in Brian/BB history. In some pictures from that year Brian looks happy and slim and in others he's starting to look like he did for Keepin' the Summer Alive. He went through some dramatic changes during that year.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which Beach Boys songs/albums are popular with the younger hipster crowd? on: February 17, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
I don't feel the Beach Boys are particularly hip with younger people right now. When it comes to older pop/rock stuff they seem to favor Prince, Steely Dan, or the Grateful Dead.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New article about the 1968 BB-Maharishi tour on: February 13, 2021, 10:52:03 PM
This is fascinating stuff, thanks for sharing. It's also kind of frustrating, with all the bad decisions. The Friends album deserved much better.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Spirit of Rock N Roll - Hallmark (Songs from Here and Back) version on: February 13, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Was just re-watching the 1986 video on Youtube: https://youtu.be/JSV4xMTfngs

I know this was a very difficult time for Brian but he looks incredible here, like a different person compared to the Queen Mary footage from only five years earlier.
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Spirit of Rock N Roll - Hallmark (Songs from Here and Back) version on: February 12, 2021, 12:34:53 AM
This should have been a Beach Boys single for their 25th. I love Brian's original 80s recording. Not a big fan of the re-recording; sounds a bit lazy to me.
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Great 1985 footage on: February 07, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Although it wasn't on the album (but seems to be on every re-release since then), I wanted to add that I love "Male Ego". Lyrics aside, the part when Brian starts singing ("Male ego is a worldwide game") with Carl (?) on background response is to me one of the most exciting (powerful) parts of the Beach Boys' singles. Just love that. So damn catchy!

Count me in as another fan of Male Ego. This one actually feels like a genuine 80s Beach Boys song written by an enthusiastic Brian Wilson.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First sign of genius: Surfer Girl (1963) on: February 07, 2021, 10:26:30 PM
Surfer Girl is in an incredible song and the whole album is one of my favorite BB LPs. It came out at a time when albums still had some filler but what other record from that time has so many classic songs on it (title track, Catch a Wave, Deuce Coupe, In My Room)? Some of the lesser-known stuff is absolutely brilliant too (Hawaii, Your Summer Dream, Surfer Moon) and that makes it a classic for me despite tracks like Woodie Boogie (pleasant but kind of forgettable). Iconic cover art too, besides Pet Sounds there's probably no other picture that defines the classic Beach Boys as much as this one.
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