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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New interview with Blondie on Brian's website on: November 16, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Really enjoyed this. Blondie's just an all-around amazing guy. It's great to hear about Brian's active participation in the Holland sessions. Iirc, in the Endless Harmony doc Alan said: "We did the whole Holland album really in Brian's absence". So the truth is probably somewhere in between, with Brian absent from several major sessions but really "with it" whenever he happened to be there?
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mini interview with Brian in latest Mojo on: November 01, 2021, 09:45:35 PM
Iíve always thought itís his stock answer in interviews to move them along or end them.

Whatís your next project?
I want to do a R&R album....Next!

Itís been the same for what, 15 years? In that time, with many albums and projects and a band at his disposal itís never happened. Donít think it has ever been tbh.
The real rockers in the band were Carl and Dennis.
I can't imagine Brian, especially nearing 80, suddenly coming out with an album of uptempo rock and roll songs.

He probably should've made this album in the late 90s/early 2000s. I think Brian made two records with the band that may come close, each in its own way, to what he might have in mind when he mentions the rock & roll album: Wild Honey and 15 Big Ones. He also said many times that "Marcella" is one of his favorite songs.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mini interview with Brian in latest Mojo on: October 29, 2021, 02:07:43 AM
We want Pleasure Island!
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 27, 2021, 01:54:03 AM
To be fair, in terms of universal public appeal (which isn't everything, I know) the Beach Boys' car songs WERE kind of "earth-shattering". Anyway, it is well known that the relationship between Mike and Dennis was very complex to the say the least.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is the album after Surf's Up like if Bruce stays, Blondie/Ricky never join? on: September 11, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
They had lots of leftover Brian songs from the Sunflower / Surf's Up sessions but I guess that's not the direction they had in mind.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would-Be Hits on: September 06, 2021, 08:30:08 PM
ABBA have absolutely mastered the perfect presentation with their two new songs. I wouldn't want the Beach Boys to do something similar but it's very impressive.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's aim with some of his seemingly random early '70s collaborations on: August 31, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
I guess in 1969-1971 they all had come to realize that Brian wouldn't be writing the bulk of their material anymore, even though he's clearly all over the Sunflower sessions. They were probably desparate for finding a new direction and perhaps Brian agreed to help them with the transition and/or act as a kind of behind-the-scenes executive producer? I think "Seasons in the Sun" in particular speaks volumes about the band really struggling at the time, as it shows they were even considering going full-on bubblegum; that song was not produced by Brian of course, but I see it as part of this whole process where they were trying out new things.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: August 31, 2021, 08:10:55 AM
It's OK is a nice surprise. Brian has stated that the song brings back bad memories but at the same time he has often called 15 Big Ones one of his favorites. Personally I love this song and I think it's one of his best 70s productions, with that massive synth bass riff and the powerful "Find a ride!" tag. Beautiful stuff! That said, it's obvious Brian didn't enjoy himself during the song's performance posted by HeyJude - to say the very least...
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 27, 2021, 06:29:15 AM
They certainly had more than enough material for one more high quality album in the early 70s. For me, Feel Flows makes it even clearer how the Surf's Up album was, at least to a certain degree, about renewing their image by picking material from the band's '70/'71 sessions that was going to make them appear hip and serious to a rock audience. I've often wondered whether it was a conscious decision to have no love songs on the album, especially after Sunflower, which had lots of them, was such a failure in terms of sales.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 26, 2021, 11:46:59 PM
One of my favorite bits so far is the backing track of "When Girls Get Together"; it's just pure Brian. The instrumental/bg vocals version of "A Day in the Life of a Tree" is stunning too and "Marcella - a capella" is another highlight.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stars & Stripes reappraisal? on: August 24, 2021, 08:31:19 PM
What we as Brianistas love to hear, though, does not line up with what record labels/management/Melinda want. They want stuff that sounds like stuff that is on the radio currently. Or at least they did back in 96-98. Brian was still talking about making hit records  back then - well, if you want hits, you have to play the game.
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But of course none of this stuff got any significant radio airplay. It's the same with Beach Boys albums like M.I.U. or Summer in Paradise, all super slick productions where they were attempting to give their audience some new hit songs about summer and fun; the public wasn't interested at all. But I understand the approach. The Beach Boys don't have the same priorities as their hardcore fans and - maybe to a slightly lesser degree - the same is true for Brian the solo artist. In my earlier days of fandom I found this really confusing: Why is this man, free from the pressures of being a Beach Boy so to speak, putting out stuff like Imagination instead of Smiley Smile part 2? The answer is simple, because that's what he and his management want. You can tell Brian was very proud of Imagination when it came out. Did it stand the test of time the way that All Summer Long or Today or Love You did? That's an entirely different story.
I was with you up till "stand the test of time" "Love You".

Insert whatever album from the 60s and 70s you feel stood the test of time. For me they're too many to count and Love You is one of them. But I know not everyone feels that way about this album and that's fine.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stars & Stripes reappraisal? on: August 22, 2021, 11:53:20 PM
What we as Brianistas love to hear, though, does not line up with what record labels/management/Melinda want. They want stuff that sounds like stuff that is on the radio currently. Or at least they did back in 96-98. Brian was still talking about making hit records  back then - well, if you want hits, you have to play the game.
...

But of course none of this stuff got any significant radio airplay. It's the same with Beach Boys albums like M.I.U. or Summer in Paradise, all super slick productions where they were attempting to give their audience some new hit songs about summer and fun; the public wasn't interested at all. But I understand the approach. The Beach Boys don't have the same priorities as their hardcore fans and - maybe to a slightly lesser degree - the same is true for Brian the solo artist. In my earlier days of fandom I found this really confusing: Why is this man, free from the pressures of being a Beach Boy so to speak, putting out stuff like Imagination instead of Smiley Smile part 2? The answer is simple, because that's what he and his management want. You can tell Brian was very proud of Imagination when it came out. Did it stand the test of time the way that All Summer Long or Today or Love You did? That's an entirely different story.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stars & Stripes reappraisal? on: August 22, 2021, 12:43:49 PM
I'm a huge fan of the original "Everything I Need", one of my very favorite post-BW88 Brian songs. It has a bit of a Friends vibe about it.
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A newbie to the Beach Boys----advice needed on: August 21, 2021, 10:24:00 PM
My favorite era is between Surfin' USA and Friends when Brian was in charge (1963-1968). But they continued to make great music after that well into the 70s, with Love You being the last great album as far as I'm concerned. Their output is very hit-and-miss after that but there are some gems here and there and I'm even a bit of a Kokomo apologist I have to say. Overall, lots and lots of brilliant music to discover! As far as solo material goes, I know I'm in a minority here but I think Brian's first solo album (self-titled from 1988) is by far the best BB solo record. Many others prefer Dennis' Pacific Ocean Blue.

As far as their story goes, my favorite documentary film about the band is Endless Harmony from the late 90s. The one book about them I really love is Back to the Beach by Kingsley Abbott, which is mostly a collection of articles and interviews from various sources.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Production quality of the Sunflower/Surf's Up era on: August 19, 2021, 12:52:40 AM
I like Sunflower and Surf's Up although I think they don't sound as interesting (to me personally) as the records that the band made when Brian was in charge. Their sound changed dramatically after Friends and while subsequent albums did still sound very creative there's a particular originality missing from most of the material. Wild Honey, for example, sounds pretty lo-fi as far as I'm concerned but it still has that sense of originality. It's hard to describe really; to me it feels like Carl's vision of the Beach Boys did not have the same level of energy as Brian's, although he did a tremendous job on those early-70s records, so please don't get me wrong.
I feel the same way often, even if I love a lot of songs from 20/20 thru Holland. Do you feel the energy returned with 15 Big Ones/Love You?

For the most part, yes. I think this is why I love to listen to 15 Big Ones although it is such a flawed record. They lost that energy for good with M.I.U. and the Light Album.
I'm really not a fan of Bruce's production on LA or KTSA. I have a love-hate relationship with MIU. This is probably a bad way of thinking about it, but when I'm convinced Brian played a bigger role on the album, I enjoy it more. When I'm convinced he was a bystander, I'm less of a fan. Reality isn't in absolutes and the quality of the music shouldn't be impacted by how involved Brian was, but it still kind of matters. As an aside, I have a (maybe twisted) obsession with the Brian's Back era live shows. They're really fun and I like when Brian had a lot of energy out there. 1977, or maybe early 1978 is the last time the Beach Boys feel fun to me. I do think that maybe in the very early KTSA sessions some of that magic might've been there too, I hope we get to see a copyright extension set on that era (the last time Brian and Mike collaborated in a major way, I believe).

L.A. is a nice listen from time to time but Good Timin' is the only song I find myself coming back to on a regular basis. I'm the same, I definitely prefer it when Brian was actively involved. Most of those songs really stick out, like Funky Pretty which I can't imagine any other member to come up with in terms of arrangement and production. Carl's approach, in comparison, often sounds to me like he was determined to make some solid rock tracks and get everyone to perform really well. That's fine (I'm a big Holland fan) and he did have some very creative ideas too but Brian's approach was more eccentric and more pop at the same time, to my ears anyway, and that for me is the Beach Boys at their very best. Speaking of M.I.U., that eccentricity is what I find is really missing from this album despite Brian's (inconsistent) involvement as a composer. There's nothing too daring or unusual about the arrangements or the harmonies or the bass parts on that album as far as I can tell, so it ends up sounding pleasant but a little boring - sorry, Al. I agree about the live shows, although I'd extend that time frame somewhat into the early 80s depending on the band's overall condition on the given date.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Production quality of the Sunflower/Surf's Up era on: August 18, 2021, 06:30:54 AM
I like Sunflower and Surf's Up although I think they don't sound as interesting (to me personally) as the records that the band made when Brian was in charge. Their sound changed dramatically after Friends and while subsequent albums did still sound very creative there's a particular originality missing from most of the material. Wild Honey, for example, sounds pretty lo-fi as far as I'm concerned but it still has that sense of originality. It's hard to describe really; to me it feels like Carl's vision of the Beach Boys did not have the same level of energy as Brian's, although he did a tremendous job on those early-70s records, so please don't get me wrong.
I feel the same way often, even if I love a lot of songs from 20/20 thru Holland. Do you feel the energy returned with 15 Big Ones/Love You?

For the most part, yes. I think this is why I love to listen to 15 Big Ones although it is such a flawed record. They lost that energy for good with M.I.U. and the Light Album.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Production quality of the Sunflower/Surf's Up era on: August 18, 2021, 01:43:54 AM
I like Sunflower and Surf's Up although I think they don't sound as interesting (to me personally) as the records that the band made when Brian was in charge. Their sound changed dramatically after Friends and while subsequent albums did still sound very creative there's a particular originality missing from most of the material. Wild Honey, for example, sounds pretty lo-fi as far as I'm concerned but it still has that sense of originality. It's hard to describe really; to me it feels like Carl's vision of the Beach Boys did not have the same level of energy as Brian's, although he did a tremendous job on those early-70s records, so please don't get me wrong.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 16, 2021, 11:57:47 PM
Dennis was so productive during these years yet he's hardly present on Surf's Up and Holland. It's nothing short of a real shame Undecided

He had two songs on Holland, just like Brian and Alan, while everyone else had only one song on that album, so I don't feel like his work was underreprsented here. "Only with You" is a Dennis song that really works for me, much more subtle than something like "Make It Good".


I think Holland seems like there is no Dennis since he does not sing the leads on his songs. I really like all of Holland; I'm trying to pick out Dennis voice on that album. Is he doing backup vocals on Steamboat and Only With You? I actually can't tell.

Dennis is the bass vocal on steamboat and he sings the second half of the song the but I think heís doubled by Carl for that.

I can definitely hear his voice on "Steamboat". Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's present in the group vocals on "Big Sur" too.
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 16, 2021, 08:12:33 AM
Dennis was so productive during these years yet he's hardly present on Surf's Up and Holland. It's nothing short of a real shame Undecided

He had two songs on Holland, just like Brian and Alan, while everyone else had only one song on that album, so I don't feel like his work was underreprsented here. "Only with You" is a Dennis song that really works for me, much more subtle than something like "Make It Good".
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 14, 2021, 12:09:01 AM
I'm kind of obsessed with this song, haha - this should've been their 25th anniversary single. Their TV specials were all super cheesy but I like the campfire scenes they did a couple years later where Brian seems much more with it. I also like the 20th anniversary Long Beach concert even though it does have some major flaws.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would-Be Hits on: August 13, 2021, 10:29:13 PM
Catch a Wave - definitely! One of their best surf songs for me.

Some other picks: Little Honda, maybe Hawaii, maybe California Feelin' (with minor lyrics revision), maybe This Whole World (unlikely though given the climate at the time, maybe a minor hit); I think that It's OK could've been a major hit would it have come out on the heels of Endless Summer / Spirit of America as a standalone single.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys \ on: August 12, 2021, 12:02:57 AM
The "filler" discussion doesn't really work for me. In the mid-60s, most of the major pop/rock acts changed the way they put together their albums, which paved the way for the classic rock era. Rubber Soul, Today, Mr. Tambourine Man - they all sound great from beginning to end in a way that fits the classic rock logic. Does that make Surfer Girl a weaker album? I don't think so at all. '63-'68 is my favorite BB era but they continued to make great music well into their later years, with Holland and Love You being the standouts from the 70s as far as I'm concerned. I also have a soft spot for 15 Big Ones where you could argue that it's basically a collection of 80% filler. I understand that perspective but it comes from a particular point of view that I don't necessarily share.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Greatest Brian Wilson-Mike Love collaboration? on: August 01, 2021, 08:42:08 PM
Off the top of my head:

Please Let Me Wonder
She Knows Me Too Well
Catch a Wave
Be True to Your School
Let the Wind Blow
Aren't You Glad
California Girls
It's OK
Do It Again
The Warmth of the Sun
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brianís involvement in solo albums on: July 30, 2021, 12:19:46 AM
Is it just me or does TWGMTR sound a bit like Why? off the Made in California box set (written by Brian according to the credits)?
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Talks Brian's 1971 \ on: July 28, 2021, 09:58:40 AM
Loved the bit about "Sail On, Sailor"! Someone should collect all the different lyrics that were written for this song until it got released.
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