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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: She Knows Me Too Well- An abusive relationship set to music on: June 06, 2021, 02:50:56 AM
I would much rather a very honest song which attempts to shine a light on the complex and negative aspects to a relationship than yet another sugar-coated love song.

Change has always happened through frank discussion rather than sticking one's finger's in one's ears and pretending these things don't exist. Perhaps over the years, the honesty of these lyrics has helped someone address and change their own behaviours, I certainly know back when I was 17 and dealing with big jealousy issues in my first relationship, this song struck a real chord with me.

Compared to Lennon's 'You Can't Do That', this is at least a protagonist who is admitting their behaviour is at fault.

And talking of chords, listen to how the insecurity and self doubt is perfectly mirrored in the tonally unsure and fragile harmonic progression. The listener is invited in to the protagonists mind state and finds it both unsettled and unsettling. A masterclass in song-writing.

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 04, 2021, 01:32:47 AM
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Smile superfans like Darian & Wondermints becoming part of Brian's band and playing a key role in the resurrection of Smile

Somewhat related, being part of the 20 minute standing ovation at the second Smile show has to be one of the greatest honours of my life, especially when it was said that that was when Brian finally let go of the demons surrounding that album. It is lovely how, even in a small way, the fans become an integral part of the tapestry.

I'm also reminded of when Mike thanked Bossaroo for his depiction of him as Emperor Palpatine. Priceless!

As Hey Jude has elsewhere stated, we also played a supporting role in getting this set released.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 04, 2021, 12:14:17 AM
Any chance we could get some insight from one of our honoured guests regarding the amazon UK box set situation  Smiley

Looking at worldwide Amazon sites, the boxed set does appear to be limited to the US right now, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm hoping this is just a short supply issue, and I think we also need to factor in the pandemic as a contributor. However it could be that they simply haven't prepared for the overwhelming demand for this set. I'm tempted to order from the US, but I want it on release day.

I suppose I could tentatively put in a US order and then cancel it if and when the UK site is stocking it, but I've had issues with them charging before dispatch in the past.

What to do......
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 03, 2021, 09:56:37 AM

Some revelations there, and makes me even more excited to hear the Dennis stuff. Much as I love POB and Bamboo, he was at his absolute peak as a vocalist in 69' /70

And Brian claiming he wrote 'Won't You Tell Me'. I can therefore upgrade this song from a guilty pleasure to a genuine treasure  LOL
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 03, 2021, 05:58:07 AM
Yes, I nearly pre-ordered the Super Deluxe MP3 version thinking it was the 5 disk at the price of £26,99.

I thought I'd bagged one of those momentary bargains, but that's not to say that won't happen. I pre-ordered the Smile box for around £70 then the next day it had shot up to over £100. My finger is getting sore from refreshing
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 03, 2021, 01:50:18 AM
Still saying Billy Eyelash.

Seeing her name next to the Feel Flows set is a bit like finding another type of curly bodily hair in an otherwise delicious meal.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 09:47:41 AM
Regarding the Big Sur snippet, I've never noticed they're using the Rhythm King drum machine again. Same patch as Falling In Love and Till I Die also.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 09:34:57 AM

Wow, those background vox.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 09:30:37 AM
I  see Mr Linett is browsing.

A Huge Thank You Mark
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
I'd really wanted the raspberries/strawberries recording origins of at my window

and the Coca-Cola recording origins of cool cool water

with 5 discs there certainly was enough space and perfect setting needless to say

another wasted opportunity
There wasn't an early recording of At My Window called Raspberries, Strawberries as some articles claim. Just an early title they were using for the same recording that came out on Sunflower

Yes, and track 12 of disk 3 gives us that track. As for the Coca Cola track, perhaps there were copyright issues.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 08:36:05 AM
I'd really wanted the raspberries/strawberries recording origins of at my window

and the Coca-Cola recording origins of cool cool water

with 5 discs there certainly was enough space and perfect setting needless to say

another wasted opportunity

Any positives for you? How about the Dennis material?

Personally I read the track list and counted myself lucky. Each to their own though.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 07:50:30 AM
I know I am annoying everyone

But it has to be this week we hear something   Grin

All hail the prophet Shady
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 07:45:58 AM
I'm thinking I'm going to treat myself to the boxed set and the LP set.

Amazon behind the curve as usual.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 07:37:44 AM
Wow, where to start?

The cover art is very reminiscent of the Friends artwork, also Endless Summer. I like it. Very of the era. It almost looks like an alternate cover for Sunflower. I like how it showcases all the band members and underlines how this was a group effort. I notice Mike's picture is the biggest. Maybe we've uncovered the reason for the delay Grin

The booklet looks nice and thick. I'm hoping there is a lot of sessionography and recording tech porn.

As for the track listing, how exciting. I need to go back over this in detail, but my eye is initially drawn to disk 5. All those Dennis songs!

It states for disk 1 and 2 that these are 2019 masters. Are we to then expect a remaster of the original albums rather than remixes?. I'm presuming there is a contunation of the practice started with the Wild Honey collection as listing new mixes as previously unreleased

It looks like we're getting all the things we hoped for, such as the Dennis material, extended Till I Die with alternate lyrics and a clean My Solution. I know we heard the latter on the snippets release, but it's good to know for sure.

Some tracks I've never heard of, namely:-

Baby, Baby
Before
Behold
Hawaiian Dream

Mark, Alan, Howie. Thank you. It looks like you've done us proud again.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 02, 2021, 04:10:59 AM
Good catch. You have to scroll down to the product description, but yep, that's it!

Only the two disk LP version listed so far, (clicking on the boxed set lead to Billy Eyelash, no thanks). A price of £19.81

Page 133 of the thread, it begins........

Official title

Feel Flows: The Sunflower & Surf’s Up Sessions 1969-1971

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stack-o-tracks' Wild Honey on: June 01, 2021, 11:02:16 AM
Until I heard the 1990 CD I'd always assumed the Pet Sounds basic tracks were recorded in mono, because...well, that's what I'd always read. It was quite a shock to hear the WIBN track in stereo, and I didn't really understand what I was hearing. Had mucho fun with the pan pot on my amp.

It wasn't until I got the PS boxed set that I discovered they'd been recorded live over three tracks and then sweetened.

Stack O Tracks didn't leave my CD player for a few weeks. We're used to hearing the instrumental tracks now, but back then this was a Disk of Revelations akin to a spiritual experience. Again the Beach Boys were way ahead of the game by creating the concept of the forensically curated boxed set way back in 1968.

Looking forward to more revelations with the new boxed set.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Comprehensive SMiLE list? on: May 27, 2021, 01:20:39 AM

Does it include the tantalisingly described Heroes assembly which we hear partly on the CIFOTM track on the Friends sessions? I would consider selling a kidney to hear that!

If I remember correctly it's actually the same bit as the Friends Sessions IIGS snippet, which they use in a home made reconstruction of the complete acetate.

Ah, I've heard that reconstruction. I'll weep a bit now. Everyone's different, but if I'd bought those disks I would have considered it my duty to share them with the world.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Comprehensive SMiLE list? on: May 27, 2021, 12:54:48 AM
What Durrie Parks acetate bits?

How on earth did I miss this?
 
Does it include the tantalisingly described Heroes assembly which we hear partly on the CIFOTM track on the Friends sessions? I would consider selling a kidney to hear that!

I'm partway through the second Smile podcast. If someone can direct me to the section that deals with the acetates then I would be most grateful.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 26, 2021, 02:02:15 AM
It's also a psychological thing. Pre-ordering gives me a sense of agency. When you've waited nigh on two years for something, pre ordering gives one a feeling akin to walking in the shop and purchasing it.

Like a lot of others, I've experienced some pretty horrific family traumas related to the pandemic. Pre ordering that box is going to put a smile on my face, however briefly. Chase those good feelings when you can.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 22, 2021, 12:41:33 AM
I too bought the P.S. box on release day, 1997...  Borders, University Avenue, Palo Alto.   You know, it was kind of fun as a 20something to buy something like that in a store.    Getting it as the umpteenth delivery of the year from Amazon.com is pretty ho-hum in comparison. 

 And, yes, I know it's possible to support independent record stores, and I do try to do that when possible.  But it's a whole different thing now.  When the P.S. box was released on that November day in 1997, i went to Borders in the late afternoon and they had a stack of a couple dozen of 'em.  I hadn't ordered anything  I hadn't called ahead to make sure they were carrying it.  I just expected that they'd have a bunch of them, and, of course, they did.  If and when the Feel Flows box drops, is there any independent retailer (or even surviving chain like Barnes & Noble) where I'd feel confident I can just show up on release day and expect to buy one?  I don't think so.

I had the opposite experience with the '93 set. Nowhere had it on release day, except a tiny little independent shop about 10 miles from me who had only one or two copies if I remember correctly.

I only found this shop by the good old Yellow Pages. Does it make my story even more antiquated to note that the phone I was using to ring round on probably had a rotary dial?

I didn't drive them, so this was a bus journey. The anticipation on the way there doubled on the journey back as I read the track listing and liner notes. Then a wonderful afternoon  spent listening to this very best of boxed sets. Brilliantly compiled, beautifully mastered and presented, the previously unreleased material sparkled like generously sprinkled gems amongst the more familiar material. Each CD had it's own mood, and told it's own story like four separate concept albums. This set was the soundtrack of that summer.

I was 21 but the memory of this day is so clear. My then girlfriend wasn't happy as I spent a sizable chunk of our holiday (vacation) money on the set. She soon changed her tune when we reached the Smile stuff! Happy happy times.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don Randi on: April 07, 2021, 10:10:16 AM
Being unimpressed at a Smile session. Its the new cool.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: April 07, 2021, 09:51:29 AM
Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

Breath taking hypocrisy is my middle name.

Mine too at times Cheesy. I do also agree with much of your initial post.

And with my faux pas now forgiven, and a potential thread derailment avoided, its back to business as usual.

Hmmm, I wonder when this set is coming out
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: April 06, 2021, 06:37:52 AM
Also, I find it humorous that the people who complain so much about capitalism do so on computers/phones built by child labor with parts that are undeniably killing this planet. If we're going to point out the failings of capitalism there are better places to start than a Beach Boys release that is entirely full of tunes that would only exist in a capitalist society.

Breath taking hypocrisy is my middle name.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Fantasy Sample Library on: April 06, 2021, 01:21:52 AM
Thanks for the contributions.

Joshilyn, I'm always very interested in your meticulous work. A list of your recommendations would be most welcome. I already use the Spitfire harpsichord library you mentioned on one of your videos, and it is very convincing with the right processing. For tack pianos I use either a fortepiano library, or Wavesfactory's W-Honky. I also use a Cimbalom library which I picked up years ago which combines quite well with the other two for that Smile sound. For kits I use the Abbey Road 50's and 60's kit, or Tea Towel Drums again by Wavesfactory. The latter is very Beatlesque. I've never found a particular Hal Blaine sounding kit, but of course, it all stands or falls on your processing chain. Likewise with horns. I use the Broadway Big Band library which is actually great, but doesn't have that vibe I'm after.

As stated though, processing is all important. I turn all the instruments to mono first, and run them through a vintage channel strip emulation. I quite like the Abbey Road REDD, but my go to is funnily enough an SSL strip, which has nothing to do with vintage Beach Boys but I really love the saturation and eq. For tape emulation, I flit between the J37 and Sketch Cassette. The latter has the best tape compression and saturation I've ever heard, but its not subtle. For compression I'm in love with the RS124 at the moment. Again, its not subtle but its the best 60's sounding emulation I've ever heard. Reverb I struggle with. I'm not impressed with the Abbey Road Plates and Chambers. I tried the Valhalla set as everyone raves about them, but again.....not for me. I tend to just use the Fabfilter Pro-R, as it is unobtrusive and very eq-able. I'd love to try the Capital set or the Ocean Way, and hope to get an Apollo in the near future so I can access all the UAD goodies.

Sam, there are lots of great B3 emulations. I use the Native Instruments one and with some serendipitous fiddling most of those classic Brian Wilson sounds from Surfin' USA up to Good Vibrations can be recreated. A Baldwin though......

Guitarfool, I'm intrigued by the Smile tour library. Please share more about this. (I also have some feedback about the Kurzweil samples from persons close to the tour, so perhaps that is a conversation for PM).

Regarding electric guitars, you're absolutely right. You can just instantly tell its a sample library. I find one of the problems with guitar libraries, and this applies to a lot of other instruments too, is that they don't respond well to eq, especially of an additive nature. You find you're basically stuck with what you've got, which isn't helpful in a busy mix.  I use the Electri6ity set, and it's passable for demos, especially the Telecaster and the Lipstick patches. With acoustic guitars however, have you tried the Amplesounds sets?  The strumming patches are unconvincing, but for finger picking these libraries are much more realistic, especially with some judicious processing. I also find this with other acoustic string libraries such as mandolins and harps. Acoustic stringed instruments whose voicings lie in the higher register seem to survive sampling with a higher degree of authenticity. This is why I'm hopeful a convincing Wouldn't it be Nice intro sound can be successfully sampled.

As for the vocal library, I think the answer would lie in finding sound-a-likes. Didn't a singer appear on here some years back who had am uncanny youthful Brian-esque timbre? As companies like Realivox have demonstrated, some very realistic backgrounds libraries can be created. The success seems to lie in how realistic the legato and portamento is. A Beach Boys style library, where each patch exists as both single tracked and double tracked is more than possible if the right performers were to be found.

As for a fully digital version of particular voices, we're not there yet, but we're closer than we were. https://www.dezeen.com/2020/11/19/syrinx-electrolarynx-takeuchi-masaki-james-dyson-award/
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys Fantasy Sample Library on: April 05, 2021, 11:21:51 AM
Along the lines of EastWest's Fab Four library http://www.soundsonline.com/fab-four, what instruments would you include in a Beach Boys sample library?

(For non-musicians who are unsure of what I mean, a sample library is music production software which uses samples of actual instruments which can then be played on a keyboard or programmed by midi)

All samples would be processed through vintage gear so the instruments have an authentic period sound out of the box. These parameters can of course be adjusted to taste.

My initial list would be:

Drums / Percussion

  • Denny's Drums (A library of Dennis's kit sounds circa 1963 - 1964).
  • Hal Blaine Strikes Again (Hal's kit sounds circa 1965 - 1967).
  • Bag of Tricks (Dip into Hal's bag for all your other percussion needs).

Bass

  • Brian's Bass (Played with thumb, obviously).
  • Pick of the Pops (Picked bass with adjustable tape delay).
  • PianoBass (Pre-balanced piano and Fender Bass combo for that Pet Sounds vibe).
  • Danalectro (To round off the above bass combo).

Keyboards

  • Brian's Baldwin (Struggling with your magnum opus? Pare it back Smiley Style, every patch included).
  • Brian's Home Tuned Piano (Get wild, honey).
  • Plucked Piano (Played with authentic Bobby Pins. This time no one needs to climb into the piano).

Stringed. I'm no expert on guitars, so perhaps others can chime in here, but to start off

  • 12 String Electro Mandolin (Wouldn't it be nice to have a VST of this?).

Horns

  • Brian's 3-Sax combo (Mix them low, good to go).

Voices

As there are now some very impressive vocal sample libraries, perhaps some sound-a-likes could be found for each Beach Boy, allowing you to build your own backgrounds.

Each patch contains the right amount of oohs, aaahs, bops and dits. The sustained notes can be played legato
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