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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love to Say Dada / Cool Cool Water mix? on: January 21, 2018, 07:28:03 PM
Hahaha, what a hoot, that's great.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Love to Say Dada / Cool Cool Water mix? on: January 21, 2018, 09:39:27 AM
Have any of you ever been able to successfully integrate the vocals from Cool Cool Water into Love to Say Dada and make it work? I can hear it in my head and it would sound sooo good, but in reality you've got different keys, tempos and backing tracks that don't mesh well. Have any of you ever tried it and are willing to share?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine and John Mayer New Song?! on: February 24, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
Nice to see Al getting some props.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who wants to Remaster this Smile Acetate for me/us? on: January 12, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Thanks leetwall97, this is huge! How did you track these down, and do you have any more goodies for us?     Shocked
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Why Brian Dumped Mike: Exhibit A, "California Girls" on: November 24, 2016, 06:12:11 AM
The following is just one man's opinion.

I woke up this morning thinking about why I tend to be so ambivalent about the song "California Girls".

The majestic instrumental opening is one of the great turning points of Brian's career as a writer/producer, a doorway leading to a new world.

The basic track and ethereal backing vocals are sublime from start to finish.

The problem as I boil it down is simply this: most of us know that "California Girls" was the first track Brian wrote on LSD. The lyrics, however, read like they were written on beef jerky: leering, hokey, clumsy, a bit sleazy, without trajectory and lacking in any bite, snap or wit.

The simple lyrical sentiment of the chorus is of course effective, and I know that is a big part of the charm: I am of course referring more specifically to the wordy and clunky verses.

We all know that Mike can do it. "I Get Around" is just one of many examples of Mike nailing it and getting the job done. I also know that "California Girls" is considered a classic and was a huge hit, but to me the seams are really showing. In this particular instance, I don't think that Mike's relatable lyrics are providing an effective counterpoint to Brian's majestic vision: the BB "formula" as it were. I would argue that the lyrics in this case are painfully pedestrian and jarring and they bring the song down, cheapening it and tainting it, frankly. They just don't do the music justice.

It makes me wonder whether, and this is purely supposition on my part, someone took Brian aside and told him, 'You know, that "California Girls" song was great, but maybe you should consider bringing in another lyricist again who might be more on the same page with you musically'. A little while later, enter Tony Asher.

I would certainly argue that later on with "Good Vibrations", Mike stepped up his game and proved that he could still hold his own and add a complementary and unique element to Brian's evolving music. However, by that point Brian was already well down the garden path with Van Dyke Parks.

In summary, I don't believe that "California Girls" was one of Mike's finer moments as a lyricist. If he had tackled the song differently, coming up with something that truly rose to the task, dazzling Brian and still maintaining that identifiably "Mike" quality, maybe the later decisions and conflicts regarding lyrical content might have played out a little differently...
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Podcast Interview With James Hirsch, Good Vibrations Podcast ep 7 on: November 23, 2016, 08:57:11 PM
The world needs a solid BB podcast, but this is going to remain obscure until it can be made available as a download on iTunes. What's stopping you?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MiC up for order on Amazon, August release on: July 22, 2013, 12:20:38 PM
I'm so glad Mike opted for this track instead of the original version of Big Sur. Thanks, Mike!
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BBC Radio 6 Beach Boys 1974 on: June 15, 2013, 07:07:33 AM
Please disregard... I tracked it down! I'm excited to hear this!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BBC Radio 6 Beach Boys 1974 on: June 15, 2013, 06:19:53 AM
Thanks for tipping this to me! It is truly great to get the 1974 perspective, a fairly pivotal point in their history. However, the first episode, Beach, Boards, and Buggies, is no longer available. Could someone please PM and  help me out? Your generosity would be greatly appreciated...

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10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP: \ on: May 10, 2013, 05:01:16 AM
I think there's truth in all the reasons we've had over the years. Friction with Mike, problems with Parks, too many drugs, perfectionism, technological limitations, missed the boat etc etc.  It was never just one thing.

I concur. THIS. Including Mike but NOT limited to Mike.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP: \ on: May 10, 2013, 04:57:43 AM
No, I think VDP was making a point that he's been making for a while, just in a less diplomatic way. During the SMiLE era, his professional relationship with Brian was what mattered, and he was careful not to undermine it. As he's continually insisted, he never entered "the tent". He was appalled by the shenanigans during the recording of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow"... But for Mike Love (and others, I'm sure, but Mike Love most vocally), VDP came to represent something more. He became associated with all the external craziness... despite VDP's disapproval of it. The outright slanderous character of "Van Dyke Parks" in the Stamos Movie became the embodiment of this, where we have VDP representing the drug pushers and every negative element that came into his life during that time. That's why I think that movie, though seemingly inconsequential to most of us, rubbed VDP very raw and he's obviously still not at peace about it.

I think we are going to have to accept that the problems in SMiLE were between Brian and Van Dyke. They got along, then they didn't. They agreed over the music and lyrics and then they didn't. Brian thought the lyrics were too sophisticated and Van Dyke thought the music was not sophisticated enough. Van Dyke resented Brian in ways and Brian pushed back at Van Dyke in ways. It's been in the eye witness sources since 1967. I doubt Van Dyke was the first or last to be put off by Brian and his scene.

That's not what I'm saying at all... do we really need to revert back to this old debate AGAIN when we have this new interview to talk about?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP: \ on: May 09, 2013, 09:29:40 PM
No, I think VDP was making a point that he's been making for a while, just in a less diplomatic way. During the SMiLE era, his professional relationship with Brian was what mattered, and he was careful not to undermine it. As he's continually insisted, he never entered "the tent". He was appalled by the shenanigans during the recording of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow"... But for Mike Love (and others, I'm sure, but Mike Love most vocally), VDP came to represent something more. He became associated with all the external craziness... despite VDP's disapproval of it. The outright slanderous character of "Van Dyke Parks" in the Stamos Movie became the embodiment of this, where we have VDP representing the drug pushers and every negative element that came into Brian's life during that time. That's why I think that movie, though seemingly inconsequential to most of us, rubbed VDP very raw and he's obviously still not at peace about it.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: For anybody who doesn't have the \ on: May 06, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
The live footage is nice, but the performances aren't as good as the Knebworth DVD.

I don't know that I totally agree with this. Dennis is still in his prime in "OK" and not remotely diminished as he is at Knebworth. Also, Mike, although still obnoxious, is still in counterculture turban mode rather than patriotic baseball cap mode. Horses for courses. This also captures some great personal moments like the 3 brothers talking/singing about Murray and the hilarity of Al pretending to be Henry David Thoreau and then cowering in the presence of an enthusiastic goat.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Examiner interview on: March 19, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
So, the Beach Boys should just exist as an entity that appeals to the lowest common denominator. You could stick a guy from the local gas station up there and tell the crowd he's the lead guitarist, and they wouldn't know the damn difference. Mike doesn't even need to be there. How about Stamos and an old guy who does a passable Mike Love impression? I mean, it'll do... it's only the Beach Boys, right? A lot of people don't know the difference, so to quote David St. Hubbins, "Why not?"... Thanks for clearing it up for me, guys.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Examiner interview on: March 19, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
I'm by no means a Mike basher, but this interview does rub me the wrong way. What he seems to be doing here is characterizing the appreciation of or desire to see Beach Boys on stage other than himself as sort of a cultish or fringe thing, like referring to a group of fans who are primarily obsessed with Pet Sounds. I think that on a certain level, Mike really believes that he *is* the Beach Boys and the rest of the personnel (Brian excluded) border on peripheral. Whether that is actually true to a certain degree (to a sizable segment of his usual audiences) or not may be up for debate, but he still doesn't need to be pointing it out publicly, or defensively going out of his way to minimize Brian's contributions over the years (since Brian's importance is harder to dismiss outright), as if that provides any justification or is even relevant to his actions.

Sorry but I've no idea where you are getting that from at all. A 'cultish or fringe thing'? Nothing that Mike said can be interpreted that way.


 "I think it was great for those Beach Boys fans that wanted to see us all together." - ML

Are there Beach Boys fans who would rather not see them all together? Were there people at C50 thinking, "This is great, but I wish the guy with the ball cap and the keyboard man with knee high socks could be up there alone"?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Examiner interview on: March 19, 2013, 06:44:38 AM
I'm by no means a Mike basher, but this interview does rub me the wrong way. What he seems to be doing here is characterizing the appreciation of or desire to see Beach Boys on stage other than himself as sort of a cultish or fringe thing, like referring to a group of fans who are primarily obsessed with Pet Sounds. I think that on a certain level, Mike really believes that he *is* the Beach Boys and the rest of the personnel (Brian excluded) border on peripheral. Whether that is actually true to a certain degree (to a sizable segment of his usual audiences) or not may be up for debate, but he still doesn't need to be pointing it out publicly, or defensively going out of his way to minimize Brian's contributions over the years (since Brian's importance is harder to dismiss outright), as if that provides any justification or is even relevant to his actions.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: March 03, 2013, 02:25:56 AM
My best guess in quality comparison is some of the CIFOTM acetates. Listenable, but not necessarily release-level quality (whatever that term means, because I've heard worse quality stuff on official releases).

Hi Andy, these CITFOTM acetates that you keep referring to... I'm not sure if I'm familiar with them. Do they include any vocals that didn't make it on the box set?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: March 03, 2013, 02:14:40 AM
Man oh man, I hope these make it out there somehow. Especially the IIGS mix you've described. I'd love to hear it, even if lower quality.

Was one of the DYLW mixes that you heard anything like this?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ncpuef
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 20, 2013, 05:36:19 AM
I may be projecting here, but it is impossible for me to separate Carl's troubles during this period from the creative decline that the BB had undergone post-Holland, which reached the point of inevitability with MIU. It's great that Carl cleaned up after this, but he also had to stop caring.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #9: Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) on: December 12, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
1. Let Him Run Wild
2. Girl Donít Tell Me
3. Summer Means New Love
4. California Girls
5. Help Me, Rhonda
6. Youíre So Good To Me
7. The Girl From New York City
8. And Your Dream Comes True

-HUGE GAP-

9. Salt Lake City
10. Then I Kissed Her
11. Amusement Parks USA
12. Iím Bugged At My Old Man
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #8: Today! on: December 12, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
1. In the Back of My Mind
2. She Knows Me Too Well
3. Please Let Me Wonder
4. Kiss Me Baby
5. Don't Hurt My Little Sister
6. When I Grow Up to be a Man
7. Dance Dance Dance
8. Do You Wanna Dance
9. Help Me Ronda
10. Good To My Baby
11. I'm So Young
12. Bull Sessions With Big Daddy
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 5 Beach Boys albums on: November 03, 2012, 06:43:08 PM
See sig below.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question About Listening to the BB Remasters as HDCDs (Windows Media Player) on: October 24, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
Yeah, it's not easy to find, but checking off the 24 bit option in WMP did make a difference for me. The 2001 "Friends" remaster in particular sounded amazing!

24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question About Listening to the BB Remasters as HDCDs (Windows Media Player) on: October 19, 2012, 09:25:34 PM
Just FYI, the 24 bit option is found under tools / options / devices / speakers / properties...
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question About Listening to the BB Remasters as HDCDs (Windows Media Player) on: October 19, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
OK, I think I figured it out. This is bizarre.

If you choose the setting "use 24 bit audio for audio cds", as I had earlier, the logo never appears, even when you insert an HDCD compatible disc.

If you disable that option, the logo does appear with HDCD discs!

The question then is, which is the proper way to listen to HDCD? I'm not hooked up to my home theater system at the moment so it's hard to differentiate. Is anyone able to investigate this, or A/B these two methods?

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