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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jan & Dean are terrible singers on: September 15, 2021, 05:27:56 PM
Bob Dylan and Neil Young arenít great either, but the songs, lyrics etc are the highlight.
The business needs average singers. It appeals to us who are just as average and only sing in the shower. 😅

I agree on the first point. Also: George Harrison. And mind you, I ADORE George Harrison...but listen to his lead vocals, even as late as Abbey Road and All Things Must Pass, and you'll hear some flatting of notes, and the like. No Roger Daltrey or even Paul McCartney here. But that's OK.

I also agree on the second point. People like George, Ray Davies, even John Lennon half the time were not what is generally thought of as "exceptional" singers. But that's OK - they get the job done (especially on their own songs), and justify people like me singing my own songs!  Smiley
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The evolution of the Beach Boys as backing vocalists (As heard on Feel Flows) on: September 04, 2021, 07:50:24 AM
Speaking of Mike's great bass singing in this era...SOULFUL OLD MAN SUNSHINE just rules - jeesh, what great vocal performances from all of them, and Mike's lower-than-low bass singing on this one just slays me every time!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: God Only Knows Instruments/Credits on: August 28, 2021, 08:32:58 AM
Totally unrelated note:

It's fun to imagine Western 3 being packed for the GOK session.  Here's some footage of the Mamas and Papas rehearsing a session in 3 with the four of them plus seven studio musicians, 11 total.  Now imagine that same space but with 18 folks crammed in there.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q3mL3QhfKY

I think it was a missed opportunity in Love and Mercy to pare down the number of musicians so much for some of those recreated sessions.  Would have been really eye opening to see them all stuffed in there.  It's gotta be the limit, and indeed, I'm surprised they didn't use Studio 2.  But I guess you booked what you booked!

Or...Brian used the smaller Studio 3 specifically to get that tightly-packed, bleeding into other microphones sound...
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 28, 2021, 08:31:18 AM
Here's my latest revised SURF'S UP sequence:

Side One:
Donít Go Near The Water
Long Promised Road
Take A Load Off Your Feet
Disney Girls
4th Of July
Student Demonstration Time
Surfís Up

Side Two:
Feel Flows
Lookiní At Tomorrow
Big Sur
Lady
A Day In The Life Of A Tree
ĎTil I Die
(Wouldnít It Be Nice) To Live Again

That would've made an absolutely killer set! Nothing is lost, and so much is gained...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce falsettos on: August 14, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
In 2012 Bruce still had his high voice and - judging by youtube videos - he still can deliver.
That said, in the Beach Boys (after Brian left) it was more or less Al who took on the high part. Bruce did to oof course, but mostly it was Al. The main part of Bruce filling in for Brian was playing the bass.

One Brian falsetto that Bruce took and kept was "I Get Around". After he left, I think it was Blondie who took it...then it went to Billy, and eventually Bobby. Interestingly, in the '60s and '70s, it always stayed with someone whose first name starts with "B"! Smiley  Until Bobby left in the early '80s, then it went to Jeff, then Adrian, then Matt....

One Brian falsetto that Al claimed live was "California Girls", I think until it was given to Adrian, then Jeff...
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce falsettos on: August 14, 2021, 08:14:37 AM
Bruce also sang the falsetto on "Hawaii" live in '79/'80, sometimes trading with Brian or Bobby during the same performance. He also sang the falsetto on "Surf City" when they started doing it in late '81 - that and the ending part of "FFF" were his live falsetto mainstays for years.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Brian using LSD? Was anybody else in the band? on: August 11, 2021, 05:44:54 AM
Lacoste polo shirt and shorts? Bruce didn't start dressing like that until the late '70s. Check out his wardrobe on the 20/20 album cover, or some of the non-suit promo shots from the day...seems he was trying to dress hip, as well.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys \ on: August 11, 2021, 05:39:32 AM
Not me. By your definition, Surfin' Safari was also pretty much a "single backer", in that they'd had a hit single with the title cut already, and now the label wanted an LP out to "back" that, hence its existence. IMO, the non-single cuts on that album are pretty weak and sometimes embarrassing. Little Deuce Coupe is only partly recycled material, and the new stuff is great, with no real "filler". SDV2 is a mixed bag, with some great stuff and some very weak filler. Friends is great, and creates a definite "mood". Sunflower is, overall, their strongest post-'67 album, with Surf's Up and Holland following closely behind. IMO.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is 'Sounds of Summer' out of print on: August 06, 2021, 05:38:27 AM
Seems to be available now:

https://www.amazon.com/Sounds-Summer-Very-Beach-Capitol/dp/B019GR4O0E/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Sounds+Of+Summer&qid=1628253319&sr=8-3

It says 14 left in stock, which is not an untypical message to see, and surely they will replenish their supply. This is a fairly common occurrence...something sells out temporarily, then they get resupplied.

EDIT: granted, some copies available to buy are "used", but there are also "new" copies currently available. This situation probably wanes and waxes, but surely has to do with the current season (summer) and the fact that it's on the charts (meaning, it's selling). Demand is likely enhanced by the return of the 24x7 Sirius XM Beach Boys channel.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Talks Brian's 1971 \ on: July 29, 2021, 03:31:29 AM
Also, Iím assuming the owner of the ďhypnotize meĒ tape wanted too much money from BRI and thatís why itís not on Feel Flows?

Since "Sail On Sailor" was the keystone and standout commercial song of the Holland album, it's probably a better fit for something covering that era.

Exactly; and because it's an already-released title, it didn't need to be "copyright extension" protected by a certain date.

A "Sail on Sailor" demo would undoubtedly be a great centerpiece to a future 72/73 boxed set.

Well...a "SOS" home demo recording is not the same as material from the "SOS" studio session, and therefore probably DOES need copyright extension protection - just like live recordings of already-released songs do. And a "SOS" home demo recording from 1971 should be released this year to ensure it.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' homelessness on: July 26, 2021, 04:48:58 AM
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Carl being responsible for Dennis's death (which I'm not sure the book says outright) is nonsense, but Brian's resentment toward Carl and mom Audree (at that time in Brian's life) sounds valid, in my opinion.

Why did he have resentment toward Carl and mom Audree?

Mainly because they were trying to get Landy out of Brian's life.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Demos posted to Brian Wilson's website on: July 21, 2021, 08:18:31 PM
Back during the recording of the Wilson/Paley productions, Andy was on record saying, "These aren't demos - we're recording masters". When Don Was got involved, he (Was) referred to them as demos. Brian and Andy pretty clearly thought of their work as masters, whereas Was considered those to be demos, and that he'd be producing the final masters (hence, his re-recording the track for SOUL SEARCHIN'). Something Joe Thomas also felt he'd be doing (hence, his re-recording the track for GETTIN' IN OVER MY HEAD). I think most of us here would agree that when something is so perfect, and full of the right feeling - you should just let it be. Nothing wrong with these "demos"...nothing to be improved upon.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys after Carl's death on: July 21, 2021, 05:32:38 AM
What exactly happened in the Beach Boys after Carl's death 1998? What I'd like to know is:

- who of the remaining members (Al Jardine, Mike Love, Bruce Johnston, Brian Wilson) decided that they didn't want to continue together anymore?

- what has Al Jardine been doing since 1998?

- when did Mike Love and Bruce Johnston decide that they would continue touring together? Why is it Mike and Bruce, and not Mike and Al?

- when did Brian start touring on his own? Are the albums he has recorded on his own any good and comparable to what the Beach Boys did?

To answer the last question, most fans feel that the 1988 BRIAN WILSON album and 2008's THAT LUCKY OLD SUN are the gems in Brian's solo discography, with opinions different on which is the best (I think it's the latter).  They're certainly as good as *some* Beach Boys albums, which ones would be up for debate.

Echoing Adam's comments on THAT LUCKY OLD SUN - coincidentally, I got that one out for the first time in years, and listened to it both of the past two nights, on a really good stereo system. Man, what a wonderful listening experience! Sure, Brian sounds older, but he sounds engaged and enthusiastic, and the material is top notch. IMO, it's a major, major effort, and a top-notch piece of work. While I will always have a soft spot for his first solo album, I think TLOS and BRIAN WILSON PRESENTS SMiLE are the two finest albums in his solo canon.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys channel is coming back to SiriusXM on: July 07, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Three years ago, the song that drove me crazy with the repeated, multi-times a day play was "When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)". I mean, I once cherished that song, but grew to despise it, after 3-5 helpings a day (I've grown quite fond of it again, since). Over on The Beatles channel, it was the damn "Walrus" song ad naseum at first. Eventually, it became "Rocky Raccoon" that hit the over-saturation point. Ugh.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys channel is coming back to SiriusXM on: July 05, 2021, 07:19:38 AM
The last time around they were promoting the Beach Boys With The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra release. I heard Brian, Al, and Mike comment on the 'then' new album. This would be a perfect opportunity to promote the Feel Flows Box set. Throw in a few tracks from the upcoming box. Comments from the Boys as well. I'm sure they will do that. We'll see.

Yes, more comments from the band. They were using old interview clips from Dennis and Carl last time.

I did hear the live "Susie Cincinnati" from '76 the other night, so they've definitely updated the playlist to the extent of including that. Makes me hopeful more Feel Flows tracks will be aired in the coming months.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys channel is coming back to SiriusXM on: July 03, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
Of all the great live recordings they could be play somehow Ď81 in DC is in rotation . I donít remember that even getting a release .

It's on one of those "grey market" releases.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys channel is coming back to SiriusXM on: July 02, 2021, 05:33:38 AM
Any sound bytes from band members yet? Those, along with the great song selection, were a highlight when the channel aired three years ago.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: About Loren Schwartz on: June 14, 2021, 05:37:41 AM
Now known as Loren Daro.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Our Favorite Album Tracks on: June 12, 2021, 10:06:59 AM
This car of mine, Dennis takes a filler track and kills it with heartfelt vocal.

I can also tell you that this is one of Al Jardine's favorite album tracks!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: June 09, 2021, 05:15:18 AM
The whole show of May 6th 1998 was uploaded so I updated the link. This is a Mike, Bruce, David, Matt Jardine show.

Interesting. I thought that it was said this concert took place on the 9th and that it was Aliís final show with the band? Does anyone have any more information? Thanks!!

Al's last official Beach Boys show (until a guest spot in 2011) was reportedly a benefit for the American Cancer Society in Detroit on May 9th. I've seen different dates for this Kentucky Horse Park show, including May 6 and May 30.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stack-o-tracks' Wild Honey on: June 01, 2021, 05:15:03 AM
I was listening to the Stack-o-Tracks album recently and wondered during "Wild Honey" is there was a new mix done. The bass seems louder (which actually sounds very good). What abut the whole album? Were the instrumental tracks remixed compared to Brian's original masters?

Well, for some of them, like this one - of course. Reason being is that for "Wild Honey", the instruments were recorded on more than one track (the bass, for instance, occupies its own track on the original 8-track tape). Therefore, this song HAD to be remixed without the vocals - whereas for some of the early songs, all the instruments were on one mono track, so they could just mute the vocals and do a direct transfer.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on SNL 1976 on: May 31, 2021, 07:39:28 AM
Probably the coolest part of Brain's appearance on SNL is when he slow dances with Gilda Radner during the closing credits - it's sweet.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna do - Lead vocals: Love with Johnston? on: May 30, 2021, 07:01:20 PM
"A gentle thought comes in my mind" is all Mike. Not a Mike you usually hear, but it's Mike.

Bruce's "all I wanna do" refrain could be construed as a co-lead vocal in a way, but it is just one component of the backing vocal round. Brian and Mike sing the chorus lead in harmony. Everyone but Dennis is on it.

WHOA. I had no idea that part was Mike. The only other falsetto of his I can think of is his parody of Brian on "Cassius Love vs. Sonny Wilson."

He sings pretty high in the chorus of "Please Let Me Wonder". Not falsetto, but likely the highest he ever sang outside of the two above.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: May 30, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Another very short term Carl guitar selection was the black Les Paul he's seen playing at the Wembley 1980 show:



I think that Les Paul got played more by Al and Eddie than Carl, even though it was technically owned by Carl.

Carl and Al both playing different guitars there then normal . Rare for 1980. Al owned a black Les Paul as well . He played it frequently and a few years ago it was missing /stolen . He was very upset about it and I donít know if he ever got it back .

Is it possible Al and Carl simply switched guitars with one another for whatever song they are doing in this shot? To purposely f**k with us all these years later?  Smiley
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: May 30, 2021, 12:24:33 PM
New gear question: Is it documented through photos or otherwise when the group first adopted the Minimoog as their synth of choice? Reason I ask is there's footage of Daryl Dragon at the Crystal Palace Bowl in June '72 using an ARP 2600, and I'm wondering if that's the one they may have taken to Holland to use in the studio. (Tracksheets do always refer to 'Moog', but so do they consistently use 'Mellotron' in place of Chamberlin, so that's not necessarily reliable)

Who's around that would remember this, I wonder

They were definitely using the MiniMoog by the mid-'70s Brother Studio era - beyond that, as far as nailing down a more specific date...there's a closeup of Dennis playing what I think is a MM on the inside spread of the In Concert double album...if so, then we can say at least by mid-late '73.
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