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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Squares #3 The Surfer Girl album just released on youTube on: Yesterday at 05:20:19 AM
The show is back up for what it's worth...surge on over there and watch!

https://youtu.be/-iDFkXOV1Fw


I'm finished watching it. Just like the last episode, really enjoyable and insightful! I'm looking forward to the "Little Deuce Coupe" album. That one gets overlooked quite a bit, but there's some very strong material on it. Wondering if you will go into "Cherry, cherry Coupe"'s chorus where Mike is rapping underneath the backgroundvoices, something that Brian would later do in "Cabin essence" as well.

Mike would also do that under the choruses of "Kiss Me, Baby" ("Kiss a little bit, fight a little bit").
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 12, 2021, 07:00:38 PM
Was Al Jardine a participant in Mike's group, Celebration?

Al sometimes guested with Celebration, as did Brian and Carl.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Squares #3 The Surfer Girl album just released on youTube on: May 11, 2021, 06:16:20 PM
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The thing Murry described in the interview is more nuanced, and it's a technique which an outboard compressor (or limiting amplifier for those who want technical accuracy) does electronically, and automatically. When a vocalist starts trailing off on a note, or runs out of breath sustaining a note, both the volume decreases and the pitch will drop too. A compressor will automatically boost the volume at that trail-off point when necessary, and it levels everything out. The old-school engineers would sometimes prefer to manually "ride" the fader pots on lead vocals instead of using the compressor, and I've read that Sinatra's crew at Putnam's studios - specifically Jimmy Bowen who I *think* was mixing those Reprise sessions - would mix all of that manually, riding the vocals the whole time while going with the ebb and flow of the music. Engineers who were even then used to patching in a compressor/limiter device to do that would watch these live mixes go down and be kind of amazed at how musical the fader-riding process was, because it was even then considered old-school in some circles.

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According to some sources, including our own Mark Linett, and sort of alluded to by Larry Levine in some interviews he did, and suggested by some photos of Bruce Botnick, Western, Gold Star, and Sunset Sound really didn't use compression for tracking at all.  Although they certainly could have patched any number of compressors or limiters into a single channel input, the primary use of those things was still more programatic, aimed at the mono buss more than anything else.  Easy enough to put one on a vocal buss, too, of course, but I feel like Chuck was someone who preferred to work the pots.  Heck, you can hear him doing it sometimes.

Plus, we know how Murry (when he was there) loved to manually SURGE - no compressors needed when he was around!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 11, 2021, 05:30:35 AM
A pro recording would only exist in the RTL vaults in Luxembourg.

And that might not even be multi-track.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 08, 2021, 07:28:06 AM
I totally agree with GF that it seems pretty logical that the Hawaii concerts were evidence of the band trying to get some sort of cohesive and consistent sound down between their live shows and their studio material. And I think WH was an extension of that. No way it was just accidentally easier for the band to replicate in a live setting. I'm sure they were aware that was an added bonus.

And of course, in theory that would've been a very understandable and desirable outcome, which if that consistency had lasted for multiple albums with a few hit songs to boot, would almost certainly been noticed by critics and would have elevated their stature somewhat as a live act.

One thing that I hadn't seen mentioned here is that Wild Honey (the album) was also probably created in its current form as a result of Brian finally agreeing to go back to a "Brian and Mike" songwriting team approach that Brian had been reminded/pushed/guilted (your mileage may vary) into promising he'd rekindle. I don't recall the source, but I do recall reading on this board that after Pet Sounds, at Mike's urging, Brian promised "the next album" would be a "Brian and Mike" album, and then when Brian went back on that promise to make SMiLE, and then sadly faltered in a massive way on delivering the goods of a finished album, that seems like it would have been a prime moment for Mike to again push for it (successfully this time) with the WH album as a result.

While one can wonder/speculate/debate how much of this was gentle nudging/guilt tripping/etc, and nobody will ever *truly* know (I feel it was likely there were grey areas, but that there had to have been an element of guilt tripping, somewhere on that spectrum, it was in the family DNA to do this stuff), I will certainly nevertheless say that the resulting WH album was a great moment and one of the best moments of the Brian/Mike songwriting collaboration in the history of the band.

Good points to consider! I also cannot recall where that info about promising to renew the collaboration came from, but I do remember hearing similar things about rekindling the Brian-Mike songwriting activity after both Pet Sounds and Smile had mostly other collaborators.

I'd also add again that the somewhat mysterious decision to release (or at least consider) "Gettin Hungry" as a Brian and Mike single might have its roots in these same issues, and could also be a response to "Caroline, No" being labeled a Brian solo single while simultaneously appearing on the current Beach Boys album at the time. It's interesting to consider what exactly happened between all parties involved to lead to these decisions, and no doubt the renewed collaboration produced some classic music. But there was a definite change even in songwriting credits and the writing process at this time, among all the other drastic changes and shifts in direction.

The only sort of comment I've read from the band members regarding the release of "Gettin' Hungry" as a single is that it was credited to Brian and Mike because they were the ones "who just thought it would make a good single." This implies that perhaps the other guys didn't, so as a compromise, it was agreed that it would go out as a Brian and Mike single instead of a Beach Boys single. That single came out about the same time as the Smiley Smile album (the only date I could find was "September", which is the same month as the album's release, so I can't say for sure which was first - unlike the single release of "Caroline, No", which was a good two months before the release of Pet Sounds). 

Another factor behind the release of "Gettin' Hungry" as a Mike/Brian thing might be the intention at the time to have various solo (or in this case duo) releases from the band members - that was a stated goal for Brother Records, and presumably why Dennis and Carl each composed and produced a track during the SMiLE sessions, even though those were never finished and didn't see release at the time. Had Brother continued as a Capitol-distributed label beyond the Smiley Smile era, we might have seen more releases of this type (possibly including "Bluebirds Over The Mountain" as  a Bruce Johnston solo single).
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's daily routine on: May 02, 2021, 09:10:47 AM
I'm sure it involved getting up late, doing a lot of coke, partying with friends like Danny Hutton, maybe hitting some night clubs, and going to bed late.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 02, 2021, 07:02:23 AM
Well, Bobby Figueroa wasn't used on the KTSA sessions, either (meaning, Mike Meros was the only guy from the then-current road band who was). As for Smilin' Ed...he DID make an  appearance at the session for THIS song, obviously invited to play on it because he wrote it. However, they recut the track a week later without him. Can't say for sure which version the vocals were added to, but presumably it was the second.

SURFER SUZIE (version 1) 
Track - United Western, 10/17/79 (Eng.: Chuck Britz)
Keyboards: Brian, Bruce, Mike Meros
Guitars: Ed Carter, Bill House
Bass: Jerry Scheff
Drums: Gary Mallaber

SURFER SUZIE (version 2)
Track - Kendun Recorders, 10/23/79 (Eng.: Steve Desper)
Keyboards: Bruce, Mike Meros
Guitars: Steve Ross, Bill House
Bass: Bryan Garofalo
Drums: Ricky Fataar
Overdubs - Rumbo, 10/29/79
Guitar: Bill House

Vocals - Jardine's Barn, Big Sur, 11/7/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/13/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/28/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 11/30/79
Vocals - Rumbo, 12/5//79
Vocals - Rumbo, 12/6//79
Lead: Al
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: May 01, 2021, 06:49:53 AM
"I have to give the songs to them.....They want the songs...., but I can't produce it. They won't let me."

to my mind it's one thing the rest of the group wanted those songs for the Beach Boys, but it's quite another thing they're preventing Brian from producing Redwood songs at all

The group was afraid of competition?  It doesn't exactly make sense since of course Brian had already produced records for other artists--glen campbell,  the Castells, Sharon marie, etc.  They didn't exactly get bent out of shape about those



Redwood weren't really hit songwriters (proven by the fact that Three Dog Night always recorded outside material for their singles). Hence, Brian's involvement with them would've been supplying material AND producing it. In '63-'64, Brian was writing and producing plenty of hits for The Beach Boys, so they weren't as concerned with his outside endeavors (which, aside from his cowrites with Jan Berry for J&D, weren't resulting in hits). By late '67 though, the career of The Beach Boys was on the line - H&V was a relative failure compared to GV, and the Smiley Smile album was turning out to be a huge letdown, in terms of commercial and artistic appeal. I'm sure the band was desperate to hold onto any BW material that might possibly give them any chance of having a hit. To their minds, that HAD to be Brian's sole priority now.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Marks 8mm Home Movie on: May 01, 2021, 06:41:28 AM
Could be wrong but I think the blonde girl on the beach with them is Jackie de Shannon

That would be cool!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 29, 2021, 06:06:27 AM
Welp might as well start easy.

What keyboards were used on the single version of Cottonfields? If the keyboards are credited to Bruce and Daryl, then who played what? What keyboards can be heard in the final mix (because I don’t hear any to be honest).

Haven't heard the session tape, so can't say.  My guess would be that Bruce played organ and Daryl played piano, as those were there normal onstage instruments at the time, and this track was cut with their onstage lineup plus Red Rhodes.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 29, 2021, 06:05:24 AM
What keyboards were used on Sunshine? Brian, Carl, Bruce & Ricci Martin were all credited by Craig on the sessionography as being “keyboards “, yet not only do I barely hear keyboards, I dunno who played which keyboards.

Haven't heard the session tape, so can't say. Just going by designations on the AFM contract, which say "Kybds." for each.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 29, 2021, 06:00:58 AM
A report at the time it was recorded (which was May of '82) indicated that "the entire Beach Boys vocal ensemble" sang on it. Which could mean a couple of different things, but if it means the guys who were singing in the live band at the time, then it would be Carl, Al, Mike, Bruce, Jeff, and Adrian. Plus, Jeff and Adrian are both credited with "backup" on that Radio Shack cassette release. So, knowing that Brian reportedly ISN'T on it, I'd say the question is answered.


I guess Dennis didn't contribute either, correct?

Probably not. I'd say definitely not.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 28, 2021, 09:06:43 PM
A report at the time it was recorded (which was May of '82) indicated that "the entire Beach Boys vocal ensemble" sang on it. Which could mean a couple of different things, but if it means the guys who were singing in the live band at the time, then it would be Carl, Al, Mike, Bruce, Jeff, and Adrian. Plus, Jeff and Adrian are both credited with "backup" on that Radio Shack cassette release. So, knowing that Brian reportedly ISN'T on it, I'd say the question is answered.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 28, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
Did Audree dress them that day?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 26, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
Jeff Foskett is definitely on the BBs version of CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'. Can't say Adrian Baker isn't, too, though. Both were in the band at the time.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Do Carl and Dennis Always Wear Beach Boys T-shirts? on: April 26, 2021, 07:22:06 PM
Can't really recall seeing a pic of Carl sporting a Beach Boys tee...just one that said WILSON in big capital letters.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 23, 2021, 05:53:08 AM
Explain what you mean by the same chord sequence.  One could argue that both songs do a little back and forth on the minor v and minor ii chords, but that hardly qualifies as "literally the same song".  Brian reuses these patterns a lot.

Yeah I messed that up. Indeed one song could use the same chord changes and yet be completely different songs.

Well, you've hit on a very interesting phenomenon.  I actually did a video about one of Brian's pet right-hand chord patterns, which hardly scratched the surface of all the times he used it.  I think it's great that he manages to find so much creative use out of the same thing, over and over again.

Here's that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFOC0VPN7w

Brian refers to these as "feels". In an interview with David Leaf promoting POB, Dennis described how he loved one of the old feels that Brian would play (essentially, the piano shuffle rhythm in such songs as "Little Deuce Coupe") and incorporated it into his own song "What's Wrong".
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: April 23, 2021, 05:27:56 AM
...And, next thing you know, it's "Smiley Smile produced by the Beach Boys"

As Dennis explained to Pete Fornatale in 1976, it was Brian who insisted that the production credit on their records be given to the whole group beginning with Smiley. Honestly, I think that was because he no longer wished to bear the "official" responsibility himself, regardless of the fact that he was the one actually producing the records still, at this point. He was withdrawing from the "production race".
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 23, 2021, 05:23:20 AM
From the AFM contract for SEA CRUISE: 

Dennis on drums, Brian on piano & organ, Ray Pohlman on bass, Ben Benay and Larry Rolando on guitars, Julius Wechter on percussion, Steve Douglas, Jay Migliori, Dennis Dreith, and Mike Altschol on saxophones.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 22, 2021, 05:46:17 AM
On a related note...I once read (in an in-depth musical analyses article from the pages of long-ago fanzine "Add Some Music") that the Beach Boys technically did not use the "bass voice"...that the low range Mike frequently sang in is actually within the baritone range, compared to the Statler Brothers or Oak Ridge Boys, for instance, who did employ actual "bass vocals". Interesting. Normally, I think of a lot of Dennis background parts as being in the baritone range, and Mike parts as being in the bass range.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 22, 2021, 05:34:27 AM
It would be interesting to trace the usage of "falsetto" in reference to Brian's (or whomever) high parts in BB songs; did the band members (or record label, or music press, etc.) start using the term more regularly before fans did?

That would actually be really interesting.  Brian certainly has what can be called a small child's understanding of music terminology at best, and whenever he talks about what he's doing it's usually in very negative terms.  "Too shrill" or "like a girl" and what not.

I remember an interview with Bruce Johnston from 1979, promoting the Light Album, where he mentioned that both he and Brian would be on the upcoming tour. He said that Brian would be singing more than he had (which didn't really pan out, except for adding "Hawaii" later on in the tour), and that with the two of them in the band, "We'll have a battle of the falsettos" (I think they both did alternate the high part on "Hawaii").
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Visiting and House Shopping in Hawaii - July 1967 on: April 21, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
Oddly, I had a dream about DW the other night. Odd, because I hadn't particularly been thinking of him recently. Anyways, in this dream, it was modern-day times, and Dennis re-emerged from a faked death. He told me he had faked his own death to get away and live in anonymity, away from the spotlight and the entertainment business. He looked older, but good - kind of like his 1966 self, but with grey hair, and small, round tinted eyeglasses. His voice was a "normal" DW voice, not hoarse and raspy. He stood up straight, and seemed really fit for his age, with no noticeable vices. I asked him if he still lived in California, and he said no, he had to get away from there. I had the feeling he was living on an island somewhere in the Pacific...
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 21, 2021, 05:54:43 AM
Who played the acoustic guitar on Bluebirds?

EDIT: And what about the orchestra?

It appears Carl and Al overdubbed the acoustic guitars on BLUEBIRDS, possibly while in New York City. During the NYC sessions, Van McCoy (later of disco masterpiece THE HUSTLE fame) was hired to add the strings and horns.

That info comes from Bruce, on two different occasions.

Really? That’s another track for the Al list, I didn’t have any clue! I kinda figured that Carl was one of the guitarists, seeing as he & Bruce were producers.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: April 21, 2021, 05:21:47 AM
Who played the acoustic guitar on Bluebirds?

EDIT: And what about the orchestra?

It appears Carl and Al overdubbed the acoustic guitars on BLUEBIRDS, possibly while in New York City. During the NYC sessions, Van McCoy (later of disco masterpiece THE HUSTLE fame) was hired to add the strings and horns.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis’ contributions to L.A. on: April 20, 2021, 08:20:28 PM
“Violins Karen Vocal”? The ARP String Ensemble, and Karen’s vocal were done at the same time? If not, it’d be great to know! Huh

More likely, they are on different parts of the same track, recorded separately. Or, possibly, two tracks internally bounced down to one.
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