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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Excellent interview w/Darian on: June 04, 2015, 06:25:54 AM
Quote of the interview from Paul Dano's Brian :

 "We're NOT surfers, we never HAVE been, and REAL surfers don't dig our music anyway !"

Really looking forward to seeing Love & Mercy now...
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Several new reviews on: April 08, 2015, 02:11:47 AM

Are you both as un-educated and ill-informed about Brian and his career as the author?
No, not un-educated and ignorant about Brian's career at all - and having seen the debunking of some of the inaccuracies in the article, I concede I may have read and commented a bit hastily.
However, the first couple of listens to NPP have failed to convince me that this album is some amazing return to pop genius form for Mr Wilson, and that I'm supposed to like it just because other board members do.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 07, 2015, 07:52:40 AM
First listen...nothing rises much above the level of "nice", and the whole thing seems to be overshadowed by the collaborators, i.e. not enough Brian in the mix.
I'm glad he's still alive and well and making music, but "That Lucky Old Sun" was probably his last great album.

TLOS was not a great album.  This is finally an accessible, great BW album.  Makes sense because most of it was written for the BB.  Brian always writes much more dynamic, accessible stuff when he has The Boys in mind...if only for their voices.
Then someone should've banged heads together to have made this a Beach Boys album !
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Several new reviews on: April 07, 2015, 02:08:12 AM
That Pop Matters review pretty much sums it up for me...
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 07, 2015, 01:46:10 AM
First listen...nothing rises much above the level of "nice", and the whole thing seems to be overshadowed by the collaborators, i.e. not enough Brian in the mix.
I'm glad he's still alive and well and making music, but "That Lucky Old Sun" was probably his last great album.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: (in)Sanity Check - Right Time on: March 23, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
People say this, but I (minority here, I know) never cared for "Lay Down Burden" - kind of a listless track to me -- but I like this one quite a lot.  So something's different.
The vocal presence of Mr Jardine, perhaps ?  Smiley
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best \ on: March 08, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
I think "Sounds of Summer" and "Warmth of the Sun" make a nice one-two punch of the most popular with some generally lesser well known, but accessible songs.

Yup, if that was a 2CD set, it'd be pretty close to perfect.
Agreed ! A 2 cd set of these would be my choice too...
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Examiner exclusive: The Beach Boys Today! - Mike talks about the album on: March 08, 2015, 06:59:08 AM
Sweet little interview. Includes this very nice answer:

“She Knows Me Too Well” is quite beautiful. What do you think of it, and “In The Back Of My Mind”?

Mike Love: Brian is amazing on “She Knows Me Too Well.” He has sung many phenomenal leads (in his career), and this is one of them. That’s for sure. It gives such a beautiful sound to the record. It’s almost mystical in a way…we don’t do it in concert, because… Who’s going to sing it? [Laughs] Nobody can sing like that except Brian.
"Who's going to sing it ?" I've seen Foskett sing it beautifully with Brian's band (That Lucky Old Sun tour), why not ask him to have another crack at it, Mike/Scott ?
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Carl Conversation 1974 on: January 22, 2015, 12:07:28 PM
The night Carl told Mr T. to "shut the f*** up" after a 4th July concert, from an interview with John Meglen, CEO of AEG Live :

"The Beach Boys experience is summer afternoons in the sun, and summer evenings.

That’s right. That was a time when they were doing the Washington Monument shows on the 4th of July to a million people.

Those were crazy.

In 1983, we did Philly first; then we did the National Mall in Washington, D.C.; and then we did Miami. It was when James Watt was the secretary of the Interior. He was the guy that got the Golden Foot Award from Ronald Reagan for trying to ban the annual rock concerts on the Mall with bands like the Beach Boys.

The lineup that year was La Toya Jackson, the Oak Ridge Boys, the Moody Blues, Three Dog Night, Mr. T, Hank Williams Jr., Jimmy Page, Julio Iglesias.

This was the weirdest damn thing you ever saw in your life.

We were staying in D.C. and we had to go up to Philly in the morning to do the Philly show. We get on this train up to Philadelphia, and we have our own cars. And Mr. T. begins talking. And this guy is talking, talking and talking. We do the show in Philadelphia.

It was first time Jimmy Page had done anything in years. I was standing up on the side of the stage, and I swear that you could feel the ground move when Jimmy Page walked out on the stage. It was so amazing.

After the show, we jumped on this big Braniff International airplane, and buzzed the D.C. site. The second we get back on the Braniff airplane, Mr. T started talking and talking and talking. We do the D.C. show, and we have to get back on this plane and fly down to Miami Beach. We get on a plane and Mr. T. starts talking and talking. Carl Wilson, the humblest guy in the world, literally turned around and said, “You know what? We’ve all had enough. Would you just shut the f*** up?” I think that the whole plane applauded."

Rest of article here :
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: January 13, 2015, 02:11:42 AM
More UK dates announced via Ticketmaster - Manchester, Brighton, Cardiff ! :
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys album in 2017 on: January 04, 2015, 03:45:19 PM
I have one of the above-mentioned "Mail On Sunday Good Vibrations" cd's. Checked on ebay to see if it was a collector's item. Alas, no...only worth pennies  Embarrassed
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys album in 2017 on: January 04, 2015, 03:58:56 AM
Ahem :

"....the biggest sing-a-long at their shows is “Kokomo” ?
 "...his long standing friendship with George Harrison" ?
"... two of the original members, Mike Love and Bruce Johnston" ?

Not sure about the overall tone of this article...
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Hypothetical on: December 22, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Two of the best  Pet Sounds-alikes in recent history. The first is an obvious choice :

The second a very affectionate homage :
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Not Use Auto-Tune? on: December 11, 2014, 10:33:53 AM
"Why not use auto-tune ?" Because it sounds robotic, Exhibit A : "Believe" by Cher
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: December 09, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
Can we lock this thread now please and maybe start a proper relevant thread about Mike & Bruce's touring activities for 2015 ?
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2014 on: November 17, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Are tickets on sale yet for M&B's show at Wembley Friday week...?😌
That'll be the gig at Wembley that's been cancelled ?
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Death of Carl's spiritual main man, John-Roger on: October 23, 2014, 09:05:26 AM
Thought that name sounded familiar - is this the guy referred to in the WIBN pseudo-biography as Carl's spiritual adviser "John Rogers" ?
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Hawthorne : In California (UK BB-influenced Band) on: October 23, 2014, 08:30:12 AM
Apologies if I'm late to the party, but has anyone else on the board come across a UK BB-influenced band called Hawthorne ? Their album "In California" was brought to my attention recently, and I've just bought it on download from Amazon. The verdict after a first listen : great Wilson-style harmonies that made me smile, music that wears its heart firmly and proudly on its sleeve. A couple of YouTube links :

Santa Cruz :

LA Highway :

UK Amazon link to the album (more sound clips) :

44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Another 15 \ on: October 17, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
Whoops - apologies for multiple thread, didn't see that one, will read later !  Smiley
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Another 15 "Facts" about Pet Sounds on: October 17, 2014, 11:34:28 AM
This article came up in my facebook feed :

Ok, but a couple of holes to be picked in a few of these (1, 2, 7 for starters)
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Very First Beach Boys Release on: August 16, 2014, 01:25:45 AM
Pet Sounds on vinyl, around 1995, having seen it top Mojo's Top 100 albums of all time list. Took the plunge soon after and bought the GV box - it raised more questions than it answered, and so a minor obsession was born...
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Mike ever try to get the legal right to record under the BB name (post '98)? on: August 04, 2014, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from Bittersweet Insanity : The Fight For Brian Wilson's Soul by Bill Holdship

"Even though the Brian-less Beach Boys scored a hit with Kokomo in 1988 at the same time that Brian's critically acclaimed debut solo LP failed to make a huge dent in the Billboard charts, the Beach Boys have managed to release one song in the year and a half since they named Mike Love "recording captain" - an embarrassing version of Crocodile Rock for the Elton John-Bernie Taupin tribute LP Two Rooms. Brian wasn't invited to the sessions."

This article was written in 1991, so Mike obviously tried to record under the BB's name in the wake of Kokomo without much success. Did BRI really appoint him "recording captain", though ?
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone on: June 07, 2014, 01:27:34 AM
Zooey (with She & Him) sings Wouldn't It Be Nice :
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Audree on: April 29, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
Just found a transcription of the interview I mentioned above :

(The full article can be found here :

How did you first notice something was wrong with Brian?

AUDREE: It was just that he'd stay in his room all the time. I would go over there, and there could be a houseful of people and he just wouldn't come down.

When you talked to him in his bedroom, would he make sense?

AUDREE: Oh, of course, perfectly. He just wanted to be alone. Sometimes he would say, "I'm really so tired," or, "I'll be down in a little while." And I'd think to myself, "You might or you might not, and if not, that's okay with me." I knew he was in trouble. I knew he had a problem.

Did he seem depressed?

AUDREE: Oh yes, I think so. He didn't show his depression to me that much because if I'd go upstairs to say hi or give him a kiss, he would always be sweet to me and say, "Hi, mom. How are you?" or, "I'm tired," or, "I have a cold," or, "My stomach is upset," or just anything. At that time I didn't believe it; I just thought, he wants to be alone. I would never — oh God — no way would I bug him. I figured if he wanted to talk to me he would tell me.

Do you think Brian's creativity began to be a burden to him ?

AUDREE: I do. I think that he just went through a lot of pain. I think it was very painful for him to live up to this tremendous image that had happened just like that [snaps her fingers]. All of a sudden he felt he couldn't do it anymore, he felt like he had reached the pinnacle — and what was left?

And then for a number of years did he just sort of deteriorate?

AUDREE: Well, he went through stages. In fact, Marilyn would say, "Oh, Brian's so much better, we this or we that." I'd be happy to hear it. So it was kind of an up and down thing.

Carl says that he was the closest to his father, but that Brian and Dennis had a difficult time communicating with him.

AUDREE: Yes, they did. But in the later years, Dennis and his father had a great relationship. Well, they had something in common. They both loved to fish, they both loved boxing.

Dennis said when he was young his father used to beat the hell out of him sometimes.

AUDREE: Yeah, he really got the short end of the stick.

How did you feel when you heard about Dennis' involvement with Charles Manson?

AUDREE: Oh my. God, absolutely horrified. Terrified. First of all, when Manson and his family, the girls, moved in with Dennis, Dennis had this beautiful, beautiful place — at Will Rogers State Park, right off Sunset. And he befriended them. They were just hippies and he thought Manson was the nicest person, a very gentle, nice guy. Murry had a fit. He knew there were a bunch of girls living there.

I went there one day. Dennis was at the recording studio in Brian's house, and he said, "Will you take me home?" And I was very hesitant because I thought, "Oh God, Murry's not going to like this." But I took him home, and he said, "Will you just come in and meet them? Come on, they're nice." And I said, "Dennis, promise me you won't tell Dad."

So I went in, and Charlie Manson was walking through this big yard with a long robe on, and Dennis introduced me. And we went into the house, and I think three girls were in the house, just darling young girls, I thought. I zipped through the house, got back in my car and left. And wouldn't you know that Dennis told his dad?

Did you get heck for that ?

AUDREE: Yeah, he didn't like it. He was pissed.

How did Charlie strike you when you saw him?

AUDREE: I just thought he looked older than he supposedly is, like an older man, and I thought he had a kind face. That was the only impression I had. And I did think they were a bunch of leeches; Dennis had been through that before. He could never stand to see anyone who needed anything or anybody who had any kind of a problem... he was right there.

At that time nobody knew who Manson was.

AUDREE: No idea. In fact, when that horrible story came out about Manson's arrest for the Sharon Tate murder, Annie, Carl's wife, called me. And she said, "Ma, do you realize...?" I did not connect at all that that was the same person and the same family who had been with Dennis. When she told me, I just totally froze.

Well, it must have been a shock for Dennis as well.

AUDREE: Horrifying. I think the next day was his birthday, and he was at Carl and Annie's. I went there and we had dinner. And we were all very quiet. And somebody said something, and Carl said, "I don't think we should talk about it." So we just watched television and had a very quiet evening. We were totally terrified. I remember Carl saying, "Mom, let's all go back and stay at your house." And I said, "Carl, everybody knows where I live. What good would that do?" So I stayed at their house a couple of nights. And see, when they left Dennis' house, Manson or somebody stole Dennis' Ferrari, and they stole everything in the house that could be moved. Everything. Stripped. Dennis had kicked them out because they were into heavy drugs and he just wanted them out. And Manson, of course, had music he wanted published, and he wanted money, quite a sum, 10 or 15 thousand dollars. And Dennis turned him down. So Manson threatened Dennis, he said, "If you don't give it to me" — I'm paraphrasing — "something's going to happen to Scotty." Scotty was Dennis' first wife's son, and Dennis just adored him. He was really like his daddy. But that was a terrible period.

You said that Dennis and his father later became much closer.

AUDREE: They were buddies. You know, it's the most amazing thing... the year that he died, Dennis called his father on Mother's Day and Murry told him, "I'm just going to live about a month." Which Dennis didn't tell me, thank God. I didn't need to know it. But he could tell Dennis that.

He'd had one heart attack.

AUDREE: He'd had a heart attack and he was just getting along famously. And six weeks later, it was in June, he just... well, it's weird the way that happened. I was waiting for him to wake up, thinking, "I wish he'd wake up. I wonder if he's really okay." I was standing in the kitchen, watching the clock, thinking I'll be so glad when he wakes up. And all of a sudden he woke up, and we had a great talk. He was in a good mood. He seemed to feel fine. And we talked for quite a while, about so many things. He said to me, "I'm so glad I've never had to take nitroglycerin." And I was glad, too, because I knew that would' be frightening. That's for the pain. He said he wanted to take a walk — he'd been able to walk around the house but not outside yet. And I said, "Great, if you feel like it." So I was going to drive him down to Whittier Boulevard to walk. I went into the kitchen to make cereal for him, and all of a sudden I heard him yelling for me. I started dashing down this long hallway. He was in the bathroom sitting on the toilet. And he said, "Nitroglycerin," so I grabbed it and said, "Put it under your tongue." But he just sat there, very pale. And he said, "Cold water." So I got a cloth with real cold water on it and kept going like this on his forehead, and then I held it on the back of his neck. And he still just sat there. I said, "Are you okay?" And he said, "I don't know."

I got up next to him to hold him — he was much bigger than I am — and he just toppled over. So I turned him over — I don't know how I did it, but I did it. And I realized he was really in bad trouble. In fact, I thought he was gone. By that time his face looked very flushed and his eyes... I knew he didn't see me because I went like this [pats her cheek] and said, "Baby, baby." All I said to him was, "Baby, baby, I love you." I ran into the bedroom and called the fire department. I never went back in that bathroom.

I locked the house, got in my car and went to the hospital... and sat there for quite a while. A doctor came out once and said, "We're doing everything we can." And I said, "I'm sure you are." And I knew that that was it.

Brian did not go to the funeral.

AUDREE: Nope. I understand that perfectly. You know, Carl was very angry that Brian didn't go to the funeral. And I said, "Carl, I understand perfectly." It didn't bother me. Brian couldn't face it. No way.

Do you think he'll go to yours?

AUDREE: I'd be surprised. You know, I don't know if he's ever been to one. To me, so what? I don't believe in funerals, frankly — the most barbaric, outmoded bunch of... [censors herself and laughs]. Anyway...

In general you seem to have been much looser than your husband.

AUDREE: Oh yeah, a great deal more. He took life so seriously, really. It was hard for him to have fun. Once he said to me, "Sometimes you can be so mad or in some kind of mood, and somebody comes over and you can laugh and have a good time. Maybe I'm jealous of you." I used to think it would be so nice if he could just loosen up. But he was what he was, you know?

About ten years ago everyone started getting into drugs and marijuana, and I'm sure your boys did too. How did that affect you ?

AUDREE: Well, I had a horrible problem with my husband about that. He was so, sooo against it, so mortified — I can't even think of a strong enough word. They all went and told him that they were smoking pot and, oh, he just thought that was the end of the world, the most horrible thing they could do. And of course he was angry with me. In fact, he was so angry he wouldn't allow them to come to our house for quite a while. And he told me I couldn't go see them.

But now, of course, dope is much better understood. Have you ever tried it?

AUDREE: Frankly, I did try it. In fact, I just zonked out. I was at Carl and Annie's house and I walked into the living room and I couldn't get up. I didn't like it at all. Then one other time, though, I tried it and I've never had more fun in my life. Laughed and laughed and laughed, just had a ball. This is since Murry's gone.

How old are you?

AUDREE: Thirty-seven. You know I'm lying. Should I tell the truth?

Let's see... you said you got married when you were 20... and you had Brian after four years, and he just turned 34... so you're about 58.
AUDREE: Exactly. Rats.

So what are you doing with your time?

AUDREE: Not as much as I should.

You mean not as much as you'd like?

AUDREE: Well, as I'd like and should for my own good, because I'm lonely a lot and that's ridiculous.

Do you still play music?

AUDREE: I don't like to play by myself. And I should because I just adore it. In fact, the other night some of my relatives were here and they were watching Gone with the Wind, and all of a sudden I just got bored and I went into the living room and I played the piano for a while. And I played the organ. And I was comfortable because I knew there was somebody here. But by myself I'm not comfortable. I just don't have anything in particular going for me.

50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Audree on: April 29, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
There's a good interview with Audree by David Felton from Rolling Stone circa 1976 in Kingsley Abbot's collection Back To The Beach, part of the article "The Healing Of Brother Bri' ".
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