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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 14, 2020, 08:43:19 AM
Heh. Probably about ten years ago I was teaching an ACT prep class (those of you not in the U.S., it's one of the tests teenagers take to help with their university admissions), and for some reason one of the kids mentioned Charles Manson. Another student said, "Wasn't one of the Beach Boys involved with him?"
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 11, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
I recall an interview in the early 1990s when Mike was asked about the Capitol two-fer CDs, and he said he barely even knew about them.

ETA: That turns out to have been an understatement. The interview is here:

Quote from: Mike Love
For instance, they were going to do a Best Of The Beach Boys Volume Three in 19 - , whatever the hell it was, and I came in there and went, "Wait a second, call in Endless Summer." And instead of being Volume Three which sound nauseating to me...

He obviously forgot about the *actual* Best of the Beach Boys Volume Three that came out...and frankly, I don't blame him.
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 06, 2020, 04:48:15 AM
So I just thought of something. When the Made in California set was being made, the BBs refused to put 5 tracks on it. My Solution, Stevie, Carry Me Home,  Walking, and Thank Him.

I've never heard this. Source??

But could the BBs some how stop the remaining 3 tracks from being released officially? I know these songs are super easy to find, but if the BBs truly donít want them officially released, could they do anything to stop from losing the copyrights? thoughts are twofold here:

1) The law only applies to, what??? Europe?? It's still technically protected in the rest of the world. It might not be worth their trouble for such a limited scope.

2) Having said that, maybe one thing they could do is figure out if there's a minimum length of time that the music has to be available in order for it to count for renewed copyright. Let's say the music has to be available for a minimum of one hour. I could easily see them very quietly making the music available but only to certain areas at the most inconvenient time to download, and then once that minimum time is met, yank the music. I think people were afraid that The Beatles' lone copyright extension release was like that -- it went online, but then shortly after it was taken down with no hint that it ever existed. (It reemerged later on that day -- I think the consensus was that there was a problem with the original upload, like incorrect pricing or something.)
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could we see any rereleases any time soon? on: February 26, 2020, 05:44:55 AM
You know what we need?

A new compilation album that contains even more takes and mixes of "We're Together Again" and "Can't Wait Too Long."

And I think we need one more occurrence of "'Good Vibrations,' take 1." "We're rolling!"
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 23, 2020, 07:08:32 PM
I'm hoping it will include "Feel Flows" with the "surface joy" lyrics.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could we see any rereleases any time soon? on: February 23, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
Shut Down Volume 2 is particularly lacking. The Keep An Eye On Summer set really should have came with a full version of SDV2 with the new stereo mixes of several songs.

If I'm not mistaken, it's because the tapes are simply missing. What little we do have came from a tape a fan found, if I remember the story correctly. I heard that after a session Brian would just toss the tapes to anybody - after all, why keep the work once they already have it finalized?

Also, currently the only way to get the 2017 stereo Wild Honey is through the 1967 set. It should be released as an individual album.

It IS available as an individual album -- if you don't mind vinyl. (It sounds really nice, btw.)
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 15, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
I heard a version (just a backing track) of "My Solution" that was supposedly from 1980, but yeah, I'm guessing if they were going to put it on TBBLY, it'd simply be the 1970 version, to give "Good Time" some company.
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: REM - At My Most Beautiful on: February 13, 2020, 04:45:06 AM
This is a stunning track.

And while you're at it, you might as well enjoy the other obvious Brian tribute from Athens, Georgia:
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is this man? on: February 11, 2020, 12:14:16 PM
The Mrs. and I call that the "Ook Op" record because of the Norwegian [??] text on the back. Smiley
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 22 years ago... on: February 06, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
2/6/1998 was very difficult for me. First time I ever cried over a famous person's death. It made me think of how when I saw the Beach Boys for the first time in the summer of 1996 that the opening of "California Girls" that night had so much electric energy...and I'd never get to experience that same energy again.

I remember at the time the rumors going around were that Carl was getting better, and that he said "the prayers are working." Then all of a sudden, *boom* he's gone. One pseudo-insider told me he WAS getting better -- and Al Jardine's description of how Carl looked at Audree's funeral [as he said when Goldmine interviewed him] also supported that -- but the cancer suddenly took a huge turn for the worse.

The Mrs. and I often wonder if Brian would have ventured out on the road if it weren't for Carl's death...that maybe losing Carl kicked him in the rear and helped him decided that it was now or never. Or maybe Carl would have performed with Brian, at least on an occasion or two. Or would he perhaps have appeared on the Smile album? (Listen to Jeff's vocal part on "Child is Father of the Man" and tell me you don't hear Carl's voice.)

Strangely, word is that Carl always shot down potential releases of "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" because he wasn't happy with it. Wonder how true that is. And how true it is that he couldn't get past his "shunshine" vocal flub (and why he couldn't just re-dub it if that were the case -- his voice didn't change much over the years).
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 01, 2020, 01:50:39 PM
I'm offended that it's just Mike and Bruce and they call themselves "The Beach Boys."
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First BB song heard on: January 31, 2020, 07:32:33 AM
Heh. I'm only answering because you asked. Smiley

The first Beach Boys song I ever heard was "I Get Around." I was maybe three years old. My next-door neighbor was babysitting me. She said, "I wanna listen to some music." She pulled an album out of her collection, and it had the orange Capitol label with the gold text on the bottom. Being only three years old, I didn't know that different albums can have the same label design, so I thought, "Oh, it's that Glen Campbell album that Dad plays all the time." (That'd be I Remember Hank Williams, by the way.)

But instead of hearing Glen's voice singing "I Could Never Be Ashamed of You," I heard a nasally voice: "Round round giiiiiiiit around...."

And I hated it. HATED it. TO THIS DAY I hate "I Get Around." (It's been said that every Beach Boys fan hates one song that everybody else loves. For me it's "I Get Around.")

I'm guessing, given the time, that it was Endless Summer that my neighbor put on the turntable.
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Compilations being removed? on: January 30, 2020, 04:50:51 AM

If you're not in the UK, you can use a VPN to spoof your location.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Remixes of Friends and 20/20? on: January 28, 2020, 06:57:03 PM
I got the remaster from's not a remix, but it sounds a HELLuva lot better than the 1990 version I've been listening to for 25 years!
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: January 20, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Also, the vocals on Disney Girls are really weird when played in headphones. Its almost like there on the right side more than the left.

Years ago someone told me that Bruce recorded his vocal in stereo -- in that he had two microphones in front of him, each panned to one side...which might explain why it sounds weird.
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's your favorite Beach Boy and why? on: January 07, 2020, 02:08:11 PM
I'm going to go the easy, obvious route and say Brian. He made it all happen. Without him, no Beach Boys. Amazing talent, too. And dammit, you just wanna give him a hug.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's your favorite lead vocal from each Beach Boy? on: January 07, 2020, 02:07:12 PM
Hmm....alphabetical by first name:

Al - "On Broadway"

Blondie - "Wild Honey" from the '70s shows

Brian - his voice is so different now from before. I'll have to have two: pre-voice change: the "Baby you know that I can't wait forever" vocal from "Can't Wait Too Long;" post-voice-change: all of the Disney album. Best vocal in years!

Bruce - "Deirdre"

Carl - "Only With You"

David - the 2012 live version of "Getcha Back"

Dennis - his tag on the live "Only With You." I'm a heterosexual guy, but when I heard the song on MIC and it came back and I heard Dennis, I frickin' swooned!

Mike - "Aren't You Glad," studio version

Ricky - "Here She Comes" and his vocal part on "He Came Down"
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When Did the Beach Boys' Cheerleaders End? on: January 07, 2020, 02:00:23 PM
EmdeeH is right. The first time I saw the Beach Boys was the summer of 1996, and I was dreading the tackiness of cheerleaders. After they took the stage, the guy I bought the ticket from (he and his daughter still went) nudged me and said "Notice anything?" I said, "No, what?" He said, "No cheerleaders!" Aha!
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bassist Carol Kaye Slams on: January 06, 2020, 07:43:28 AM
Defend her all you want, but we could post literally decades of her attacks on people (including me -- why? because I posted on one of the newsgroups about an instrument cable I use that I tried after a recommendation on her web site -- I would *only have heard of it* because of her web site -- and she proceeded to tear me a new one because she would NEVER recommend said cable because it was crap), literally having a lawyer send threatening letters to people (and said lawyer actually apologized later), trashing Melinda ("wifey-poo"), and name-calling. It doesn't make her less talented, but it sure doesnt' make her look like a sweetheart.
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: January 02, 2020, 07:26:25 AM
Wait, what's this about an "airline" version of "This Whole World"Huh How have I not heard it??
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 30, 2019, 09:15:45 AM
Apparently the "study videos" can still be found online.

I think there was also some debate over the background vocals on "Surf's Up." SD insisted it was "Michael, Michael," as in calling to the angel Michael, but the vocal isolations that have been circulating (I think from the EH DVD 5.1 mixes) make it clear that it was "bygone, bygone." SD's explanation: there were two separate tracks with different vocals, and what we've been hearing was the wrong one.
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 12, 2019, 12:16:51 PM
BTW, I looked at the Reddit post actually says "digital streaming only." Does that mean it won't be downloadable??? (Note to self...log into that Reddit account I never use and ask questions.)
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 12, 2019, 07:02:59 AM
My understanding of the copyright law -- which admittedly is next to none -- is that it goes by the *songs themselves,* not the *performances*. That would explain why The Beatles only had one copyright extension release -- and even that one was kind of useless because every *song* in and of itself had been released at some point. Except for "Carnival of Sound," I can't think of any Beatles song in the vaults that hasn't had some kind of release.

But going through the Beach Boys' copyright extension releases:
The Big Beat 1963 had at least one previously unreleased song ("Thank Him")
Keep An Eye On Summer had a few
In 1965 and 1966 I don't think there really was anything; what The Beach Boys gave us was all bonus.
Sunshine Tomorrow had "All Day, All Night" and "Honey Get Home"
Wake the World had a good handful of previously unreleased titles

The thing is...if the Beach Boys were putting out collections that had *just* the unreleased titles, they'd be pretty small, so they were padded with some stuff that was obviously ear candy for us die-hards. There was no reason, for example, to release any of the concert stuff, because none of those titles were in danger of copyright expiration, but we got 'em anyway.

124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jeff Foskett on: November 21, 2019, 01:38:57 PM
OMG, I totally missed the article about Briella. So sad. Sad

(Totally missed the thing about that article being about a different Jeff Foskett. The giveaway that should have tipped me off: I'm certainly NOT older than the BB/BW/PDRR Jeff Foskett!)
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Oct 20th. David Leaf .. BW RFH SMiLE performance first ever video showing....!? on: October 18, 2019, 07:29:10 AM
I'm pretty certain that David filmed all of the RFH shows - not just the first night. He definitely had footage from several.

I'm pretty certain you're right -- it would certainly explain how in the DVD that had footage of the "first" performance at RFH how 1) Nick's shirt changed mid-song, 2) Van Dyke was wearing a white knit shirt in the audience at the end of the concert but was magically wearing a blue button-down shirt and a vest when Brian called him up to the stage, and 3) George Martin and Paul McCartney were in the audience (they were at the *fourth* show, if I know my history correctly; not the first)...
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