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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 12, 2022, 08:20:57 AM
Are there more existent photos of Brian in a hat or Mike not in a hat? The yin and yang of those two  Smokin
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations tracking/ mixing studios? on: July 08, 2022, 12:47:55 AM
Appreciate the help!  Smiley
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Good Vibrations tracking/ mixing studios? on: July 07, 2022, 09:33:04 AM
A friend of mine emailed me a BBs question that I am unable to answer, but I figure somebody on this board would know.

Was any of Good Vibrations tracked or mixed at Capitol Studios?

I suppose the question would also include unreleased portions of the song, since I know there were so many different sessions which wound up not being used in the final released version edit.

Thanks in advance!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: LIFE The Beach Boys magazine on: July 06, 2022, 12:24:50 AM
Forgive me and delete this thread if someone else has already started this topic (looked, didn't see anything), but...

Yes, it's a real thing. Snagged myself a  hard copy on my way out of the local pharmacy. Talk about an impulse buy, LOL, but there was an entire display that made it utterly impossible to miss.

Haven't read much of it yet so I can't provide commentary or a review.

Just wanted other BB fans to be aware of it should they be interested in tracking down a copy. Smiley

Side question - In that famous early picture of the Boys holding a surfboard (as seen on the LIFE cover), Brian has his hair bleached blonde. I guess he was trying to look like a surfer, I believe that's the consensus?

Curious if anybody knows how long that era lasted with Brian bleaching his hair? And for what timeframe exactly?
I also wonder if it was his idea or perhaps Murry or somebody else suggested it for marketing purposes.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You and MIU promotion on: June 29, 2022, 01:00:09 AM
Was Love You the first BBs album to have a promo t-shirt made for it?

I know there was smiley smile sweatshirt that I believe was available for sale from the band's fan club in '67 - There's a photo of Al wearing it.

But other than that fan club item for sale, I'm pretty sure LY is the first album by the band to receive a promotional T-shirt. Unless I'm mistaken?

MIU never had a promo shirt made… post LY, I think there were no promo shirts for any albums made until BB85; there was a 1979 light album tour shirt that incorporates some of the album art, but I don't really count that since it's more of a live tour shirt as opposed to strictly being a promo item for the studio album.

There's also a neat 1976 promo frisbee made for 15 big ones.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: June 15, 2022, 12:02:13 AM
Here we go again. The stereo mix of Pet Sounds in 1996. The choice of using stereo mixes only with the 1990 CD releases. The duophonic mixes used anytime past 1969. And on and on and on.

I started listening to the Beach Boys fully in 1974 when I was 15. They weren't cool then, but ENDLESS SUMMER started their renewal, followed by SPIRIT OF AMERICA and GOOD VIBRATIONS-BEST OF THE BEACH BOYS a year later. 15 BIG ONES/BRIAN'S BACK pushed through 1976 with a bang. By 1977, all of that momentum had dissipated. MIU, LA and KTSA seemed to only stir the diehards like me. Long Beach July 5th 1981 finished any last hope for cool.

This group has always been out of the loop after about 1968. DO IT AGAIN was the last gasp for the surfer crowd. Since that time, there has been this absolute need for the group to try and be cool. Darian Sahanaja has spoken at length about being bullied for buying this group's records. I know I took a lot of sh*t for liking this group in my teens, but I will say MANY people I knew started having Beach Boy LPs in their collections after my ceaseless pushing. I snuck an advanced copy of IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY onto the playlist of the #2 rock station in Houston in 1979 by BS'ing a DJ doing a live remote. The people in the crowd liked the tune but I left the remote before getting caught. Don't tell me I look too young to be a CBS promo guy! I was 20!

So trying to make this group relevant is something each succeeding generation has tried, even the group itself. I will say the the Good Vibrations box was really a game changer in that battle. Other releases have also pushed their relevance back into the public's view. But one thing that some have forgotten is that the songs and performances themselves are what really matter. Yes, you want a legacy, your rightful place in history. But when you remix songs to where they no longer sound like the original releases, then the legacy you are trying to keep alive is a false reflection. Second guessing Brian, Carl or anyone else's notion of what was needed on a certain track at a certain time is not what is needed. It would be the same if you were making a movie of a well known novel but suddenly say THIS WAR NOVEL NEEDED ALIENS INSTEAD PEOPLE FIGHTING IN THE END. LET'S ADD THAT TO THE MOVIE SO IT WILL BE COOL.

My only real problem with the remixes is that THOSE remixes will be the only version of those tunes available. I saw that to a lesser extent when the stereo mix of PET SOUNDS came out in 1997. Hearing the stereo mix of WIBN with Brian's vocal in the bridge was not good. As a fan, it was marvelous. But it was not true to the original version nor to what Brian himself wanted. To hear songs only mixed in mono finally mixed to stereo is truly amazing and Mark needs so many thanks for that. They are eye openers. But to hear stereo mixes REDONE into new stereo mixes kind of misses the mark. And there seems no reason for those. My opinion.

I am in awe (no kidding) of all that Mark and Alan have done with this legacy they have been stewards of. I would NEVER second guess anyone. Way back in the late 1990s, I posted some thoughts on remasters done by Mark. He took issue with what I said, and I posted on my PetSite his remarks (which included my initial rantings) and my apologies for my suppositions. I learned to not make statements about situations without getting the full story. Mark said he had not had others do that for him. I replied they should have.

This whole "make them cool" mindset is not new for the group. As I said, my only issue is that THESE will now be THE versions of tunes available in the future. And they shouldn't be. If they can steer clear of that issue, I am fine. I can see radio (meaning satellite, podcasts etc) getting only these versions in the future. In 1987, George Martin pulled the multi-tracks for The Beatles HELP and RUBBER SOUL. He remixed both LPs for CD release. He was the original producer and the only one of the group that monitored the stereo mixes in 1965. These mixes are now the standard version and the original ones are only available in box sets. George Martin said he wished they would go back to the original mixes, but EMI keeps using the new ones, even when re-releasing the Beatles US box set. I am afraid such things will happen with the Beach Boys catalog.

What this old dude likes as his goto discs depends on where I am playing them. My base for the CAPITOL releases are the flat transferred PAST MASTER series. The WARNER tracks to me sound best now on the TEN YEARS OF HARMONY re-release out of Japan from 2019, again flat transfers, which means you are getting Carl's mastering of these tracks that he knew so well.

Just wanted to give my OLD MAN 2 cents worth on all of these things transpiring. You can read it or pass it by. Now where is my pudding? I need a nap!

I completely understand this side of the argument, however there's little that the creators of these remixes can do to determine if these will become "the" preferred version of the song that is played the most, and whether that version takes a greater hold in the public consciousness more than the original version, or not.

So many of these elements are out of peoples' hands, whether a given version winds up on a playlist on Spotify by some popular influencer and winds up getting traction, etc.… The new 21st century methods by which music is shared and popularized are often dictated by fans and playlists, so it is a situation where things such as determining which version becomes "the" version will really ultimately be out of their hands.

Once again, the original versions are there for people who want to hear them. I really don't think those original albums/mixes are going to fall into some sort of deep obscurity. However, admittedly, the new mixes will probably for the short term gain more traction than the originals, but this attention level ebbs and flows.

But even if a new version winds up eclipsing the originals in the public consciousness, I think it's still absolutely worth it for those new versions to be made and released. It's still cool that the band has great folks working on new ways to revitalize the old catalog, and we should all consider ourselves very lucky that this is happening. And once again, anybody who dislikes a particular version can simply skip it with no harm done.

Ultimately the brand is not going to somehow be diminished/hurt, nor will the brand lose fans over these new mixes. At worst, things would stay stagnant. But in my opinion, in all likelihood the brand will just continue to grow in stature among young people in part helped by the media attention the mixes will probably bring to the brand, and that's a good thing.

7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: June 14, 2022, 01:37:24 PM
The new mixes are awesome, the Howie interview is great and informative, and I'm excited about the future of the brand with folks like Howie, Alan, and Mark working towards a common goal of reenergizing the brand, and having people look at the band in a fresh new way.

And yes it will definitely take marketing towards younger music fans in order for the music of this band to continue thriving and growing; this small amount of disgruntled older fans who somehow feel "left out" really need to get over themselves.

Remixes are awesome because they don't replace the originals at all. It's the closest way we can get to a brand new album by our favorite band to exist... we can't go back in time to get them to create new music in their prime - but we can fortunately re-examine the material in a completely different way *if we choose to listen to the new mixes, which of course is optional*, and I'm all for it.

The way some people are ridiculously reacting, one would think this is a George Lucas type of situation where the original mixes are being made unavailable. Absolutely not the case here.

I've often thought that releasing and selling the original multi tracks as ProTools sessions might be the final frontier for getting blood from a stone with regards to the old songs… I suppose these new remixes are essentially a sample platter of what that could be like, where new life can be brought to old mixes.

It doesn't make them better or worse - it's just a different way to listen to the songs. Everybody has their preferences and everybody can be happy because nothing is being made unavailable.

 Of course some people may not like certain new mixes and that's fine, but people really shouldn't be crapping on the idea of new mixes being released- and most certainly people shouldn't be crapping on the people working on this who are clearly knowledgeable, good folks who dearly value the brand and its reputation. Honestly, only good attention to the unfairly neglected parts of the band can come out of all of this, and the people complaining the loudest come across like Grandpa Simpson yelling at a cloud. Completely preposterous and unneeded negativity.

One more thing I should add, I can understand why some people have an attachment to the early material and they feel like that area of the band is going to get the short shrift, but that era has been soooo endlessly played up and focused for so many decades that it is fine for there to be a new focus now. It's absolutely necessary.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: April 28, 2022, 07:23:43 AM
Here's the tracklisting from the Apple Music listing which seems to indicate which mixes are 2021, etc.

Thanks for sharing that, I am probably most excited by the new mix for the love you tracks as well as this mysterious "alternate take" of all I wanna do, I'm guessing this would be something that was totally different and not included on the FF box
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 25th Anniversary Special 03/1987 on: April 26, 2022, 09:40:01 PM
I thought Carl singing Heaven and dedicating it to Dennis, was the high point of the show to me...but yes, other than that and Ray Charles, lots of down moments...especially the whole Piscopo thing.

Was this the final performance of Heaven? I'm wondering if that song, or any other Carl solo songs for that matter, were ever performed live post 1987.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Burgers, Chili Dogs, and Recording Studios: LA Memories with Brian Wilson on: April 02, 2022, 08:45:53 AM
Amazing, thanks for sharing!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian’s Going Back To Court on: March 31, 2022, 07:26:14 AM
I hope everything gets resolved quickly and amicably and that this doesn't drag on for the sake of all parties involved.

One interesting trivia tidbit, on page 76 of that legal document, it appears back in the early 80s, Judge Joseph Wapner was the judge involved in the original divorce case, he is best known for being the judge on the TV series The People's Court.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Examples of BBs harmonizing with their own vocals on: March 03, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
Brian is probably the BB member who has sung the most with multiple voices of himself on recordings, I'm thinking.

What I mean by that would be the example of the "don't talk" unused vocal section where Brian sang all the harmony parts by himself, stacked on top of each other.

I'm guessing that Carl, followed by Bruce, would I have recorded the next largest amount in this fashion, particularly on the LA Light album.

And of course at various times, Brian had the entire group double the group harmony vocals for a thicker effect, and we also have members regularly double or triple tracking their lead vocals, such as Mike on California Girls for his lead vocal.

But none of that is exactly what I'm talking about... I'm thinking about background harmonies where a single band member sings multiple parts.

Do we have any other examples where the same member is heard singing different parts simultaneously on a given recording? Did Mike or Al ever harmonize with themselves? I'm sure we could find examples of Dennis doing this.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Welcome Back! on: January 15, 2022, 11:46:42 AM
I always had this page bookmarked, and I kept the faith and kept on rechecking - glad it's back!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: December 08, 2021, 03:05:56 PM
Absolutely, CD. I think the production on Gershwin was the pinnacle of his solo career. I do wish we could hear Darian’s original mix though.

I imagine since this project wasn’t a full stand-alone album that Brian wasn’t too picky about his vocals (or the instrumentals). I think if Brian were doing a full on production (Pleasure Island?) that he would spend a lot more time getting his vocals right.

I had no idea there was an original Gershwin mix by Darian, that would be great to hear indeed!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: December 08, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
In my opinion, the pinnacle of the right kind of polish in BW's solo career is the Gershwin album.

By a mile.

His voice sounds fantastic and whatever pitch correction artifacts on there are exceedingly minimal and not distracting to my ears whatsoever. They totally nailed it in the production on the album and Brian clearly really took his time on those vocals.

It doesn't have to be the extremes of Joe Thomas NPP versus this new rawer soundtrack.

But I also understand he is getting older and either might not have the patience or there could be any number of factors why we aren't getting another Gershwin level album these days. But I'm grateful for what we are getting nevertheless.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: November 26, 2021, 03:18:39 PM

"Slightly American Music" seems like a sequel to "Do You Remember"... although the moment that Brian sings "I Get Around", I'm instantly transported to the alternate Black Mirror universe of self-references of "Smart Girls" for a brief moment. Grin

I wonder what drove the 1990s decision to record "Slightly American music" considering there was a BBs song with virtually the same blueprint in the Beach Boys catalog from a thematic standpoint. I guess maybe it's a bit of an updated version with references to The Beatles, looking back 30 years later…
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 25, 2021, 08:56:27 AM
Has any announcement been made as to when this film might become available in Europe?

I’ve seen no info about any release outside USA, not even a “stay tuned for info”. Very disappointing.
Which is weird, because last summer they announced that they already have international distribution covered. There's a lot of Brian fans outside of US and it's dissappointing not being able to see it when we are living the time of streaming. I tried a million ways to see it already, but VPNs won't work when all the platforms require a US credit card.

It's truly remarkable how inept the process is for the powers that be to not allow the film currently in other countries. Especially right when all the promo is happening and people are getting excited about the film.

Literally they are just begging for the movie to be pirated when they behave this way. When people are happily willing to pay for a product that's available in other countries and they make it unavailable, it just doesn't compute to me. International rights needed to have been worked out ahead of time. Whoever is in charge of this really dropped the ball. Oof.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Song Question on: November 24, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
I think Right Where I Belong is easily in the top 5 songs of Brian's solo career. It has those amazing melodies and just gives me that warm, fuzzy BW vibe.

It's constructed in a manner that has Brian's sonic DNA in it; it's unclear to me if some of that songwriting is Jim James duplicating the Brian sound, but none of that matters to me - I love it a ton. The retro-esque, but simultaneously timeless and tasteful production rules too.

Probably the top 5 released songs of Brian's solo career in my view are:

- Melt Away
- Midnight's Another Day
- Love & Mercy
- Right Where I Belong
- One Kind of Love

That top 5 list might fluctuate here and there depending on my mood, or if I were to re-listen to all of Brian's solo albums I might change my thoughts a bit... but off the top of my head, I think that's a fair list for today.

Great job to all involved in this new track.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 23, 2021, 05:41:24 PM
I think more than anything, this doc’s point and purpose is spelled out by Elton. He says, and I’m paraphrasing, that Brian’s life of the last 30-odd years (post Landy) has been a creative accomplishment in itself. That is, he’s built a life of caring and compassion around him from nothing. Really, that’s what the whole doc is about. He made great music in the past, he can still do it to some extent, but really just getting through every day and communicating with the world is a huge challenge. And Brian is older and less gregarious than he once was, but dammit, he does it. He pushes through.

Like Carl says, it’s about the joy of life in a very simple way. The movie is much less sophisticated than IJWMFTT (which was really about re-creating the whole legend from scratch after the brutal Landy period), but it has a lot of heart and is far more spontaneous.

So very well put.

That Elton John quote was one of the most poignant lines in the entire film, and Elton's words brought something new to the overall Brian Wilson discussion.

The terms "musical genius" and "survivor" are often used with regards to Brian, and I suppose Elton's view is an extension of the "survivor" ideology, but Elton expanded upon that viewpoint in precisely how he put it... Elton really spoke that sentence in such a great, profound way (can't wait for a Blu-ray release so I can fast forward to get the exact quote); I found it quite moving and spot on. I hope more people begin to see Brian's story that way too.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 23, 2021, 05:37:04 PM

No, Nick Jonas doesn't need to be here. He doesn't say anything disagreeable; I just think it lacks any gravitas. There is a bit of a sense of trying to sell the viewer too hard on Brian's genius though some of these interview clips; a bit like a McCartney doc.

I also still find it fascinating how Al Jardine has been touring full-time with Brian now for almost TEN years, and he's still largely ignored. I'm not saying he should be a main focus, but we get more interview footage with Nick Jonas than Al Jardine in this (who gets one very quick interview clip). I dunno, maybe the point was to *not* interview very close friends and family for this (in which case, why is Al there at all then?). But Al would have some very specific keen insights into Brian's life, having been back in it since 2012 and being able to contrast it to the past.

Agree completely that Nick Jonas doesn't need to be in the film, and that it would be better to have more Al interview footage.

One thing to consider is that during the Q&A I attended last week, the director Brent Wilson said Nick Jonas was chosen specifically to try to broaden the demographic and pull in more non-BBs hardcore fans to perhaps consider digging deeper into Brian's work.

Apparently, according to the Q&A, the interview subjects were chosen out of an attempt to get a variety of different musicians from different parts of the world (The Boss from USA, Elton from UK, etc) and also music celebs who have a variety of ages and types of music they're best known for. And also it was stated at the Q&A that Nick Jonas was, like Brian, in a boy band, and then tried (and apparently continues trying - I have no idea since I've never listened to a note of his music) to branch out and broaden his musical output beyond the pigeonholed music he initially made with his brothers.

So whether one digs Nick Jonas or not, I can at least appreciate the intention set by Brent Wilson. I suppose if the idea of the film is to get more people on the Brian Wilson train who aren't already huge fans, maybe Al Jardine wasn't considered as vital to that discussion for the filmmaker's intent.

I also have to think that there's 100% an intent for Oscar consideration behind the film's release, so maybe they feel high profile celebs singing the praise of Brian is going to help nudge the factors in the direction to get a proper high profile award for the film. But ultimately, yeah, as a fan absolutely I would love to hear more from Al though, and less from Nick Jonas, no doubt.

I do hope this film gets an Oscar, who knows what will happen. I was certainly disappointed by the lack of awards and noms attained by Love & Mercy compared to what I feel that film deserved (and I tried to think about that film detached from my superfandom, and I still believe it's the best biopic I've ever seen, and at least as good - better in my view - than Walk The Line)... so I think that Melinda and company probably feel this film is another shot at getting Oscar or similar award gold for a Brian Wilson film. And I completely feel it's deserved, again, in the case of this great film.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche 1951-2021 on: November 21, 2021, 03:08:31 PM
RIP Billy and Celia. Such very sad news.

The scene in "long promised road" where Brian listens to "farewell, my friend", written by Dennis in honor of Billiy's father Otto, takes on a whole new meaning.

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 19, 2021, 10:12:27 PM
Everyone should watch the darn thing before commenting.

Brian might not _say_ many more words than he has before, but this film studies his face and eyes like no others. It doesn’t cut away. And there are words and thoughts he expresses that really took me aback with their power and clarity.

Worth your time.

+1 to the max
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 19, 2021, 10:11:56 PM
Just watched LPR - absolutely loved it.  I have a question, but will precede it with a POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING












In the film, there is a shot of the piano in the sandbox.  Does anyone know if that is an actual photo taken in the Laurel Way house, or was that taken on the set of Love & Mercy?

That's a very good question - I was wondering the same thing myself. I do remember reading either on this message board or perhaps a Facebook page that Marilyn actually has some photos that are unpublished of the real sandbox, so apparently they do exist.

I'm thinking and hoping and wishing and praying that that's actually one of the real photos, seen for the first time... but I would love for the experts to weigh in before making any conclusions...
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 18, 2021, 08:08:48 AM
I had the profound pleasure of seeing the film at the Laemmle theater in Westwood last night along with a post-film Q&A by Brent Wilson, Jason Fine, and Brian Wilson.

In a nutshell, the film is a GAME CHANGER. It's a truly worthy (and very different) documentary counterpart to Love & Mercy. For anybody learning about the story of Brian Wilson, *both* of these superb films are absolute must-sees.

Among many other unexpected firsts that this film shows, latter day Brian is seen in the studio fully in charge, kicking butt, very much engaged, getting stuff done, which definitely goes a ways to prove how much confidence and self sufficiency Brian Wilson still has at this time in his life when he's feeling it. The amount of empathy gained for what Brian has to go through on a daily basis to deal with the voices in his head is quite profound.

There have been many people who over the years have claimed otherwise, and many assumptions by fans have been spoken about how Brian doesn't do anything much in the studio and lets people do everything for him…, but this film proves Brian has still got it, which as the filmmakers noted afterwards in the Q&A was shown in the film virtually live and mostly unedited just as the events happened in front of them.

The film is a brave piece of filmmaking, and many raw moments that might be considered a bit surprising that they let in the film were right there for the audience to see. Both in terms of raw sounding latter-day live performances, and also just in terms of Brian physically looking like a dude who is almost 80 and has lived a hard life in many ways, you're going to see some stuff on film that isn't sugarcoated and I really appreciate that they let this level of honesty into the film.

The new song heard in the film "Right Where I Belong" is super, and I think most people would agree it's among the best top shelf songs in his solo career.

Brian speaks about topics that you would not expect him to speak about, and so much of the credit goes to Jason Fine for setting a comfortable tone and environment which Brian was extraordinarily responsive to.

Brian Wilson is very much still there, but it takes the right environment for him to come out of his shell - and this film provides such an environment in a way that I think will be stunning for people to see. It's unlike any documentary ever done about Brian; in my opinion it was made with a similar level of filmmaking artistry, emotion, and craft that Love & Mercy was made with, which is a rare compliment.

I can't wait to hear what everybody else about the film once they see it.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 22, 2021, 04:01:29 PM
Great words from Stanley Shapiro

It's really unconscionable that this wonderful song was omitted in favor of SDT.

My mother is a child of the 60s who attended Berkeley and was part of People's Park, she was there and lived it, and I recently played her SDT for the first time, and about halfway through it she thought it was so horrible - lyrically speaking she found it incredibly emotionally tone deaf and insulting  - that she wanted me to turn it off.

I happily obliged.
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