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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: November 10, 2014, 08:54:33 AM
Wrong.  It's all being recorded live. Brian , band and guests have 5 days of rehearsals scheduled the week leading up to the filming; both in LA as well as Las Vegas. Like the Radio City Tribute show; rehearse for 5 days , film it live in front of an audience.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: November 08, 2014, 02:18:32 PM
For some reason I wonder if Joe Thomas has ever heard the Wiod Honey or So Tough albums....

Maybe just me.

No , me too

Interesting...

Neither myself, Joe Thomas, or anyone else on Earth has ever heard the "Wiod" Honey album! Sorry I should have been more clear about this, just a poor attempt at corrective humour on my part.
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: November 06, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
For some reason I wonder if Joe Thomas has ever heard the Wiod Honey or So Tough albums....

Maybe just me.

No , me too
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - \ on: November 05, 2014, 12:23:06 PM
This is nice, if a little 'Jeffy'.

I do wonder that if there was no Brian involvement if this is the sort of ting I would be listening to, - probably not. Impressive that instruments and percussion are all generated vocally.

Beautifully arranged harmonies, if a little Jeffy...

i think it's Matt on the high notes, not Jeff
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Voices In His Head on: November 05, 2014, 11:32:45 AM
I've seen the term "Tardive Schizophrenia" bandied about.

I have seen that one too....that's a negatve
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Voices In His Head on: November 05, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
Every time this subject is brought up, I think of the Diane Sawyer interview during the Landy years. Brian said he saw the Devil in the shower head. His face contorts and he can't answer a couple of specific questions. Hope the medication he takes these days has remedied the problem. Ray, do you know what drug(s) Brian is currently taking on a daily/weekly basis?

Mikie ; the stuff Landy had Brian on was a molotov cocktail for him ; the Diane Sawyer inteview is exhibit "a" for the destructiveness of that program. Brian is on totally different medication today with which he manages his issues.
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Voices In His Head on: November 05, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
I was reading about paranoid schizophrenia and thought about Brian today and found a great interview with him. He's so honest at times it always moves me.

Excerpt:
Wilson: Well, for the past 40 years I’ve had auditory hallucinations in my head, all day every day, and I can’t get them out. Every few minutes the voices say something derogatory to me, which discourages me a little bit, but I have to be strong enough to say to them, “Hey, would you quit stalking me? F*** off! Don’t talk to me—leave me alone!” I have to say these types of things all day long. It’s like a fight.

Friedman: Do you think the voices were part of what made it difficult for you to go on stage for many years?
Wilson: Yes, because when I was on stage I could hear voices telling me negative things about myself. Even today, when I sing I have to force myself not listen to them. But when the concert is over, the voices come back.

Cooper: How old were you when the voices started?
Wilson: About 25.

Friedman: So you were already a successful musician when they started.
Wilson: Right. I believe they started picking on me because they are jealous. The voices in my head are jealous of me.

Cooper: How long did it take after they started before you really understood what was going on?
Wilson: Oh, I knew right from the start something was wrong. I’d taken some psychedelic drugs, and then about a week after that I started hearing voices, and they’ve never stopped. For a long time I thought to myself, “Oh, I can’t deal with this.” But I learned to deal with it anyway.

Credits Murray:
Cooper: Was there some crazy piece of luck that propelled you, being in the right place at the right time?
Wilson: A lot of it was my dad. He took us to a really good recording studio and helped us out a lot. But he was also pretty tough at times. He scared me so much with his yelling—he would be yelling and poking fingers in my chest, screaming, “Get in there and kick ass and make a good record.””All I could say was, “Okay Dad, all right.” But then we’d go ahead and cut something great like “Good Vibrations” or “California Girls.”

Gillian Friedman, MD: So you had a little inside knowledge about what was necessary to break into the business.
Wilson: Yeah, my dad taught me a lot.

http://www.abilitymagazine.com/past/brianW/brianw.html

Hi ; that a good interview of Brian you posted . Actually if you want to read up on Brian's mental health issue, you should check out Schizo Affective Disorder which is the actual diagnosis for Brian. The Eugene Landy diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia was discredited a long time ago by Brian's legitimate doctors. Schizo Affective Disorder brings out depression , which can also be manifested in auditory hallucinations; whereas paranoid schizophrenia results in delusional behaviour. My understanding is that Brian was predisposed to S.A.D and would have eventually suffered that path , drugs or no drugs.  The drugs just jump started the process; as I said, this is my understanding .
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 04, 2014, 12:44:55 PM

But Darlin' is the one Hutton singles out in regard to the "problem" in your link and it is the one that showed up on the next album. TTGA doesn't show up for two albums over a year later, what says it was part of the incident?

They took the master tapes. It was key to the incident. The sessions that led to Carl and Mike calling an end to it were for TTGA. The last sessions at Heider's or in general that were done with Redwood were for TTGA. How is it not a part of what happened?

Again, why have you not mentioned TTGA while focusing squarely on Darlin' and the potential reasoning that songwriting or lyric credits were one of the core reasons why all this happened? If TTGA were not a major part of this, why did the master tapes go with Carl and Mike and why were the Redwood sessions for TTGA when it was in its final stages the ones that got called to a halt by the Beach Boys?

GuitarFool;  I don't think "Darlin'" was the big issue for Brian ; he absolutely loves that tune and there are really no bad memories associated with "Darlin'" that I have ever heard him mention. I have never heard him say a word about Redwood/Three Dog Night in association with "Darlin'". My recollection is that the title was based on Danny calling everyone Darlin' ; I don't know if the lyrics were rewritten by Brian after Mike wrote the lyrics to Thinkin'Bout You Baby", or if Mike did the rewrite as well. For all any of us know , Brian had "Darlin'" planned for The Beach Boys all along , and was just experimenting with Redwood to see how it would sound. Pure speculation there.

"Time To Get Alone" is another story altogether.  There was/is a negativity for Brian about TTGA that was close to "Heroes and Villains" proportion.  It was a major struggle to get him to perform TTGA live; it all centered around the events at Wally Heider's and Danny. That was a repeated theme over the years anytime you would bring up TTGA to Brian; Wally Heider's, Mike and Carl, Danny being really pissed at him... The most detail I ever heard about it is what I passed on the other day.  One thing is for certain. Something bad happened to Brian in that booth at Heider's to have him still addressing it with Danny forty one fucking years later.  
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 03, 2014, 08:29:47 PM


In the summer of 1967 Mike Love himself signed the comedy act "The Pickle Brothers" who had opened concerts for the BB's to the Brother label, and produced a session with them in the fall of 1967 for Brother.

My new favorite fact . LOL


In case I wasnt quite clear on my last post.....The Maharishi was a funnier opening act than the f..kng Pickle Brothers
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 03, 2014, 07:44:50 PM
I wonder what Mike's contributions to Darlin were exactly, as the credit reads (and has always read) Brian Wilson/Mike Love.

I know it was a re-jig of an earlier song by Brian/Mike called Thinking About My Baby (or something) ..... but was it re-written by Brian and Mike, or just Brian? .... Either way, with Mike having been a partial creator of the song in question, we can perhaps understand his apparent irritation a bit more.

Also, we don't know if The Beach Boys had brought the subject up "nicely" before the witnessed incident, so we don't know where at wit's end they might have been when this all went down.... Or maybe there were just being bullies .... Brian, being overly sensitive or not, was still bringing other people into the Beach Boy's only studio and working on a song composed by him and another Beach Boy, presumably intended for The Beach Boys, at a time when The Beach Boys had flames to their feet.... Maybe the others were being harsh assholes, but Brian's actions still count as being less than cool. Actions speak words too, ya know?

The statement that Brian was bringing other people into the Beach Boys' "only studio" is inaccurate. Check the various sessionographies, the majority of Wild Honey tracks and in general most sessions from October and November 1967 were done at Wally Heider's. This would include, too, "Time To Get Alone" by Redwood, and the Beach Boys own Darlin vocals, cut at Heider's October 27.

The Beach Boys had no ownership or financial interest in Wally Heider's then-new studio in LA, as far as anyone knows. And the home studio was still being built up into something permanent up to the Friends sessions in '68. So in no way did the band have only one studio, or rely on one studio to record.

The issue of paying studio fees to me is a red herring in this whole thing, as is the suggestion of Brian working with outside artists somehow being considered a negative.

*All* of the Beach Boys who had interest in Brother Records were in agreement with and supported the business model and plan started by David Anderle and picked up by Nick Grillo, throughout 1967. This includes Mike, who supported what David Anderle was doing from a financial standpoint and in how the business plans could benefit the band financially. One of the major elements of that business model and plan was to open up a business structure which would allow band members to scout, record, produce, develop, and release material from outside artists.

In the summer of 1967 Mike Love himself signed the comedy act "The Pickle Brothers" who had opened concerts for the BB's to the Brother label, and produced a session with them in the fall of 1967 for Brother.

Brian's choice of an outside artist to produce and record was Redwood.

Dennis later brought in Manson to record.

Carl later brought The Flame to the Brother label.

Right there, you have the four band members who had controlling interest in Brother Records each bringing in outside artists to demo, record/produce, and hopefully release in the form of a record in order to generate income for the Brother label and business structure...very much according to one of the key elements in the business plan which established Brother as a business venture for the band.

In that way, someone I think needs to explain to me how Brian bringing in the group Redwood to produce was any different in terms of following the Brother business plan than Mike bringing in the Pickle Brothers in the weeks prior to the Redwood sessions.

And as far as paying studio fees, that too was an investment as part of the Brother business plan, similar to how Brother would have paid the studio costs for The Flame, Manson, The Pickle Brothers, and any number of outside acts which band members other than Brian brought onto the Brother label.

GuitarFool; great post .  The only thing I could add is the following: In November 1967 , right before Thanksgiving, I saw the Beach Boys at Westchester County Civic Center in NY. One of the opening acts was The Pickle Brothers. I remember one of the "jokes" that went something like this...." So we were in Hawaii in August with The Beach Boys and we went to a luau on the beach one night; all the girls were wearing grass skirts. Mike Love tried to smoke them".  Curley Joe was funnier than the Pickle Brothers. 
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 02, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
Actually ; I never have asked Brian about this, nor would I ever ask him about something that , as you say , had to have been really traumatic for him , and essentially something that still bothers him. As I said , I heard it from the horses mouth; but I guess that needs more clarification on this forum. So ; it was early August, 2006,  and I was driving Brian and Danny Hutton , in Brian's car, a navy blue 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS55 AMG ( best car I have ever driven), to Scott Bennett's place where they were going to cut "Rave On" , the Buddy Holly tune.Danny brought a Buddy Holly CD to play in the car on the ride over so he could show Brian how he could sing the tune; Brian said no , forget that,  we are going to do it totally different than the original. Anyway;  Scott called as we crossed over the Coldwater Canyon intersection up on Mulholland Drive, and asked if we could get there about two hours later than scheduled, since he was running late in a session.  So Danny knew a bar in the area by Scott's , and the three of us camped out there for about an hour and a half; maybe a bit more.  Brian was sitting on the barstool to my left ; Danny was sitting on the barstool to my right ; I was standing in the center, facing them both. Brian and I had Stella Artois on draft ; I recall Danny had either a glass of wine or a Corona ; that part I can't really be sure. Their conversation was intensely personal ; ALL of it was centered around 1966-68; both personal stuff and BB's related. Regarding the Redwood incident, Brian initiated that part of the conversation. Essentially Brian apologized to Danny for "what happened with Mike and Carl at Wally Heiders"  , but that he couldn't do anything about it ( he did not mention Al). Danny was saying to him it was ok , it didn't matter and he was never angry with Brian about it, that he knew it wasn't Brian's call.  Brian had thought that Danny held a  major grudge against him for bailing out on Redwood, but Danny reassured him that this was never the case and to please let it go. I think he did.  

Wow. Ray, I have to say that as far as The info and stories about "the real Brian these days" is incredible, and brings us (or at least me) back to the idea that Brian indeed still is that guy who made Pet Sounds and "Surf's Up" and whatever else. He was there, he did it, and he's still here. Been through all the dark years, the better years, whatever. Still here, and still able to share it. Thank you so, so much Ray for sharing these stories with us, just as a peak into the life of Brian Wilson these days and what an interesting person he still is.

I know a bunch of people on here are already discarding it before it comes out, but I'm hoping his upcoming autobiography might be quite interesting if he's truly into it.

"That guy" is still there on many levels; the 2006-2007 time frame was really great for him.  I figure its 2014 and there is a new record coming ; this is like playing with house money. If he really is into telling his story it will really be a great read ; so much about the guy that none of us know. I hope he applies himself to it.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 02, 2014, 06:29:19 PM
GuitarFool;  I can tell you that I heard this straight from the horses mouth ; what went down at Wally Heiders is what Negron has related in his book.   

Quite interesting. I do have to ask Ray, is it you asking Brian about this stuff? Or him bringing it up? Cuz I have to imagine that something like this has to be really traumatic still for him. And while we're at it, if this is true as you say (and I have no reason to doubt you), does Brian still harbor resentment against Carl and Al for this, or has he let bygones be bygones, especially considering I'm sure he did quite a bit to hurt those guys to in the intervening years.

Actually ; I never have asked Brian about this, nor would I ever ask him about something that , as you say , had to have been really traumatic for him , and essentially something that still bothers him. As I said , I heard it from the horses mouth; but I guess that needs more clarification on this forum. So ; it was early August, 2006,  and I was driving Brian and Danny Hutton , in Brian's car, a navy blue 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS55 AMG ( best car I have ever driven), to Scott Bennett's place where they were going to cut "Rave On" , the Buddy Holly tune.Danny brought a Buddy Holly CD to play in the car on the ride over so he could show Brian how he could sing the tune; Brian said no , forget that,  we are going to do it totally different than the original. Anyway;  Scott called as we crossed over the Coldwater Canyon intersection up on Mulholland Drive, and asked if we could get there about two hours later than scheduled, since he was running late in a session.  So Danny knew a bar in the area by Scott's , and the three of us camped out there for about an hour and a half; maybe a bit more.  Brian was sitting on the barstool to my left ; Danny was sitting on the barstool to my right ; I was standing in the center, facing them both. Brian and I had Stella Artois on draft ; I recall Danny had either a glass of wine or a Corona ; that part I can't really be sure. Their conversation was intensely personal ; ALL of it was centered around 1966-68; both personal stuff and BB's related. Regarding the Redwood incident, Brian initiated that part of the conversation. Essentially Brian apologized to Danny for "what happened with Mike and Carl at Wally Heiders"  , but that he couldn't do anything about it ( he did not mention Al). Danny was saying to him it was ok , it didn't matter and he was never angry with Brian about it, that he knew it wasn't Brian's call.  Brian had thought that Danny held a  major grudge against him for bailing out on Redwood, but Danny reassured him that this was never the case and to please let it go. I think he did.  

  Obviously, Brian with his prescient knowledge of the future, arranged to have this conversation with Danny, in your company, so that you'd be able to relate the story to us and quash any rumors that wouldn't jibe with the real story!

Yes sir. An HG Wells moment.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 02, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
That's something. Water under the bridge but I wonder if this was the first time it was discussed between the two since the incident. A little surprising - maybe Brian finally felt at ease to finally bring it up after all those years or he was more concerned about clearing the air with Danny than anything else. I mean, I'd be surprised after all that partying they did in the late 60's/70's that it wasn't brought up before. Interesting, Ray.

Mikie;

I wasn't a bit surprised as things sit and fester with Brian forever  , and it was obvious that there were other things between them that had not been addressed in eons ; stuff I had certainly never heard about , and definitely could never repeat. 
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: November 02, 2014, 06:01:09 PM
GuitarFool;  I can tell you that I heard this straight from the horses mouth ; what went down at Wally Heiders is what Negron has related in his book.   

Quite interesting. I do have to ask Ray, is it you asking Brian about this stuff? Or him bringing it up? Cuz I have to imagine that something like this has to be really traumatic still for him. And while we're at it, if this is true as you say (and I have no reason to doubt you), does Brian still harbor resentment against Carl and Al for this, or has he let bygones be bygones, especially considering I'm sure he did quite a bit to hurt those guys to in the intervening years.

Actually ; I never have asked Brian about this, nor would I ever ask him about something that , as you say , had to have been really traumatic for him , and essentially something that still bothers him. As I said , I heard it from the horses mouth; but I guess that needs more clarification on this forum. So ; it was early August, 2006,  and I was driving Brian and Danny Hutton , in Brian's car, a navy blue 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS55 AMG ( best car I have ever driven), to Scott Bennett's place where they were going to cut "Rave On" , the Buddy Holly tune.Danny brought a Buddy Holly CD to play in the car on the ride over so he could show Brian how he could sing the tune; Brian said no , forget that,  we are going to do it totally different than the original. Anyway;  Scott called as we crossed over the Coldwater Canyon intersection up on Mulholland Drive, and asked if we could get there about two hours later than scheduled, since he was running late in a session.  So Danny knew a bar in the area by Scott's , and the three of us camped out there for about an hour and a half; maybe a bit more.  Brian was sitting on the barstool to my left ; Danny was sitting on the barstool to my right ; I was standing in the center, facing them both. Brian and I had Stella Artois on draft ; I recall Danny had either a glass of wine or a Corona ; that part I can't really be sure. Their conversation was intensely personal ; ALL of it was centered around 1966-68; both personal stuff and BB's related. Regarding the Redwood incident, Brian initiated that part of the conversation. Essentially Brian apologized to Danny for "what happened with Mike and Carl at Wally Heiders"  , but that he couldn't do anything about it ( he did not mention Al). Danny was saying to him it was ok , it didn't matter and he was never angry with Brian about it, that he knew it wasn't Brian's call.  Brian had thought that Danny held a  major grudge against him for bailing out on Redwood, but Danny reassured him that this was never the case and to please let it go. I think he did.  
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between 1967 and 1976 what albums/songs did Brian produce for the Beach Boys? on: October 30, 2014, 05:52:00 AM
There is that oft-told legend of several beach Boys going to the studio while Brian was cutting a track with Redwood, they pulled him aside, and when he came back he told Redwood he couldn't work on their album anymore because he had to do production work for The Beach Boys.

Oft-told... and generally regarded as apocryphal.

Andrew, I wanted to ask about this and maybe clarify it too: Are you suggesting this did not happen, or are you suggesting the details of what may or may not have been said or perceived have been apocryphal? I'm going on the words of at least two of the three Redwood members who have told basically the same story about what happened in the studio that day. Summing it up, they were there as Brian was producing their music, and after several Beach Boys showed up and talked to Brian, Brian was no longer working on their record. And the reasoning as told by those members was that Brian was going to be producing the Beach Boys current album project instead of Redwood. And that was it, apart from Redwood being offered a Brother single rather than the full album production.

I know that there were questions about what those Redwood members may have thought was said by the Beach Boys as they watched from the studio, but the fact that the scene happened in general is pretty much a known thing and has been reported by several involved parties who were in the studio that day.

I've never seen the fact that the scene happened in the studio challenged or considered apocryphal in some way, so I'm curious where that was coming from.

And it does go back to my bigger point that if Brian would no longer be producing a Redwood album so he could work on producing the Beach Boys' next album (which was Wild Honey), then not having him listed in a production role for that album doesn't add up with what played out. If he went to work producing Wild Honey after Redwood was told he wouldn't be producing them, that would mean he produced Wild Honey.

It's late and I'm working from memory, but as far as I recall the only source for this event is Chuck Negron's autobiog. I also seem to recall TDN fans blowing holes in the chronology, and I definitely don't recall Danny Hutton ever saying word one about it in all the time since... and I think he would ! According to Negron, Mike & Carl turned up in the studio and as TDN watched (but could not hear), basically wore Brian down, reducing him to tears. That sound like anything Carl would do in 1967 ?

If there's another source I've missed I'd be delighted to see it.

Danny Hutton spoke directly about this situation with Redwood in this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zYjs96sZA&feature=youtu.be&list=PL35350BBCE486D776

Skip ahead to around 3 minutes into it, and Danny describes what happened with the Redwood tracks.

Another account from Danny appeared in Peter Carlin's "Catch A Wave", page 130, saying it specifically happened at Wally Heiders studio.

There are two out of three members of the group describing the same event, one more detailed than the other but both describing how Brian was producing them, then he was not after the Beach Boys stepped in.

And that's what I describing in the original post, I think we may have gotten more into the minute details of what Chuck had thought he heard or saw that day, when the bigger picture and more important point was the fact that Brian was producing Redwood, the BB's showed up and wanted him to work on their new album instead of Redwood, and Brian stopped working with Redwood. And the Beach Boys took with them two tracks he had been cutting for Redwood.

GuitarFool;  I can tell you that I heard this straight from the horses mouth ; what went down at Wally Heiders is what Negron has related in his book.   
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - \ on: October 29, 2014, 11:55:29 AM
Ray, do you know if Al is in those harmony stacks anywhere?

I don't know ; I didnt ask.  He could be , especially on the intro/outro ; there are so many parts and layers, but I honestly don't know on this one...
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - on: October 29, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
Don't let it offend you, just consider the source.  If ignorance is bliss, he's pretty damn happy.




Oh I'm not going to be offended regardless. It's a message board. But as for the source, I like Ron. He's contributed great stuff in the general music forum. Just curious if that was one-way admiration, I guess.

Anyway, blah blah off topic, so to get back on: I've listened to the new tune a lot. I think it's a lot more Hollens in performance and production, and maybe arrangement. (I'm sticking to my baseless guess--so another prepology!--that Hollens just remixed and supplemented whatever BW had/sent him.) But it's pleasant and has nice harmonies, especially from a guy who seems like a church youth group leader.



I was played this track when I was in LA  last month; produced by Brian

Well there you go, that refutes my aptly named baseless speculation. Thanks for that information. And I find it surprising (in a good way), just because as a few others have noted as well, it lacks some obvious brianisms, which I think hints at real excitement and engagement. Regardless of my lukewarm feelings about this one--enjoy it like candy--I think it bodes well for whatever he's been doing the past year or two.

I have to admit I was surprised when I first heard it ; especially as I didnt realize the whole damn thing was acapella;  there are some Brianisms in this track , just not obvious .  I like it.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - on: October 29, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
Don't let it offend you, just consider the source.  If ignorance is bliss, he's pretty damn happy.




Oh I'm not going to be offended regardless. It's a message board. But as for the source, I like Ron. He's contributed great stuff in the general music forum. Just curious if that was one-way admiration, I guess.

Anyway, blah blah off topic, so to get back on: I've listened to the new tune a lot. I think it's a lot more Hollens in performance and production, and maybe arrangement. (I'm sticking to my baseless guess--so another prepology!--that Hollens just remixed and supplemented whatever BW had/sent him.) But it's pleasant and has nice harmonies, especially from a guy who seems like a church youth group leader.



I was played this track when I was in LA  last month; produced by Brian
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stand-in for Mike on: October 28, 2014, 06:38:46 PM
I'm curious about the Beach Boys/Maharishi tour in 1968. I'd like to hear from someone who witnessed it firsthand. What was the format? Did the BB play a set and then the Maharishi gave a lecture to the audience? Or how that work exactly?

Well ; I don't know if this counts , but I was at the Singer Bowl in NY where right before showtime , the concert was cancelled; I had great seats all the way in the front; The Beach Boys gear was all set up, but there was nobody there ; then the announcement came that they pulled the plug. 

The format was to be that the Maha-ha-rishi would come out and give his pitch , then the BB's would play , at least that is my recollection. I was there for the Beach Boys , not this other nonsense; I was with a date and I was seriously pissed off.

I utilized my inner TM when I levitated over to the box office to get my tickets refunded.  Eye-nay-mah !

  you didn't take a full refund, did ya?  after all, you'd already seen their equipment; that should count for something

I should have kept the tickets .....maybe they would be worth something now on Ebay to a completist collector

yeah!  That's kinda what I was thinking...   It appears from Ian and Jon's book that the BBs actually came on first
Can't remember what I paid for my ticket on Ebay and it has a line marked thru; guess it was a comp/press ticket (  why it was saved? ) 
Have to figure they destroyed most if not all of the tickets for the cancelled dates. Of course there were 5 actual concerts, so maybe ....   

   

I must buy that book !

I cannot imagine how fast the arena would empty after the BB's finished their set, and then they trot out the maharishi Huh  I would have been out of there so fast the suction would have taken the paint off the walls !

$3.00 is way too much to pay for the maharishi .
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stand-in for Mike on: October 28, 2014, 04:31:10 PM
I'm curious about the Beach Boys/Maharishi tour in 1968. I'd like to hear from someone who witnessed it firsthand. What was the format? Did the BB play a set and then the Maharishi gave a lecture to the audience? Or how that work exactly?

Well ; I don't know if this counts , but I was at the Singer Bowl in NY where right before showtime , the concert was cancelled; I had great seats all the way in the front; The Beach Boys gear was all set up, but there was nobody there ; then the announcement came that they pulled the plug. 

The format was to be that the Maha-ha-rishi would come out and give his pitch , then the BB's would play , at least that is my recollection. I was there for the Beach Boys , not this other nonsense; I was with a date and I was seriously pissed off.

I utilized my inner TM when I levitated over to the box office to get my tickets refunded.  Eye-nay-mah !

  you didn't take a full refund, did ya?  after all, you'd already seen their equipment; that should count for something

I should have kept the tickets .....maybe they would be worth something now on Ebay to a completist collector
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stand-in for Mike on: October 28, 2014, 04:03:32 PM
I'm curious about the Beach Boys/Maharishi tour in 1968. I'd like to hear from someone who witnessed it firsthand. What was the format? Did the BB play a set and then the Maharishi gave a lecture to the audience? Or how that work exactly?

Well ; I don't know if this counts , but I was at the Singer Bowl in NY where right before showtime , the concert was cancelled; I had great seats all the way in the front; The Beach Boys gear was all set up, but there was nobody there ; then the announcement came that they pulled the plug. 

The format was to be that the Maha-ha-rishi would come out and give his pitch , then the BB's would play , at least that is my recollection. I was there for the Beach Boys , not this other nonsense; I was with a date and I was seriously pissed off.

I utilized my inner TM when I levitated over to the box office to get my tickets refunded.  Eye-nay-mah !
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Carl in Late 1997 Question/Discussion on: October 25, 2014, 05:39:58 PM
Those that attended shows at the time witnessed Carl's beautiful voice and commitment as a performer, even through pain. They were also witnesses, at least for an hour and a half, of the seriousness of Carl's battle for his health. No doubt his cousin witnessed a whole lot more during those days, and had reason to put on the table such a dramatic request (say what you will, but seen from today's perspective, there has to be something very serious and painful going on in order for ML to consider quitting a tour). Also, if I remember correctly, by mid-1997 there were hopes in the family that Carl might recover, and these hopes vanished by the end of the year (please correct!), so maybe the group, or Mike, or Carl himself thought that he could work better at recovery if not touring.



I can't comment on what it was like to see Carl on stage in 1997 after he took ill ; the last BB concert I saw before C50 was in 1993 in NYC at the Paramount; they were great that night; especially in the unplugged set; one of the great live versions ever, that night, of "Caroline, No" by Carl. From reading the eyewitness audience accounts of Carl's last tour, it sounds like it was great to hear , but really sad to see.  I would think it must have been really tough to be up there on stage with him,  as I would assume everyone present had to know that he may have been playing his last tour .  I didn't really know Carl , but met him several times over the years ; the last time in LA, the fall of 97 after he had stopped touring. Just terrible ; fu..king cancer.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Carl in Late 1997 Question/Discussion on: October 25, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Thank you, Ray for sharing that with us. My next question is this: didn't MIke realize that his action might be interpreted by less sympathetic (to Mike) as an act of cold heartedness?  I realize it had to be difficult for Miike, but I don't think I could have made such a demand if I was in Mike's shoes.

 Andy , you're welcome , but  I believe that info has been around for awhile.  I think that sometimes when things are written , they can look devoid of emotion or feeling . That is why Elliott Lott was attempting to quantify Mike's perspective, and what he meant in his letter. At least that's the way I am reading it.
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Carl in Late 1997 Question/Discussion on: October 25, 2014, 11:43:05 AM
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What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops.

I never knew about the letter. I guess the next question is...when Carl left the tour, did he do it on his own?

Yeah , Billy ; that is the question. 
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Carl in Late 1997 Question/Discussion on: October 25, 2014, 11:02:15 AM
Andrew, the 29th cannot be correct. I attended either the 28th or 29th show and Carl did not play that night.

Then you attended the 28th - I'll amend. Carl's last show was definitely the 29th.

Not questioning the validity of this assertion, but just wondering what the sources are for the 29th being the last show for Carl. So he played the 26th, 27th, missed the 28th, played again the 29th?
It does seem a little odd that he would miss a single day. Even odder that it was in the middle of a group of shows. it makes sense that he would not be able to make the full grouping of shows, but you'd think he'd miss the last day(or two). He was sick enough to miss a show, and be ok for the very next one?  Brow

I think it's a feasible scenario. Just curious about what actually happened.

I haven't commented in this discussion until now, but I have had experience (as have many others on the board) with loved ones fighting cancer. In the past 8 years I lost both parents who were fighting cancer, and what I'd like to add is that from what I witnessed with them and others, it can be a day-to-day existence and struggle, even an hour-by-hour situation.

My dad, who was also named Carl and whose birthday would have been coming up next week, had good days and bad days, just like everyone else battling cancer or any other illness. In those last years when I was taking care of things with him, he'd have a day where he'd be up and around, doing things - cooking, walking around, suggesting going out for a meal, etc. - then the next day he had no energy or stamina at all, and I saw how it really brought him down that he wasn't able to do his "normal" routine. Of all that happened, that was one of the toughest things to witness. Going from active to just not having the strength or energy to get up out of the chair, again on a day-to-day basis. And that got worse with time. Likewise, in retrospect it was really tough to watch what would go on when we'd go to the cancer treatment center, sometimes on a weekly basis, depending on the treatments at the time. Same with my mom before that. You'd be sitting in the waiting areas with people, you'd get to know or recognize them and their families, and some days they'd look energetic, smiling, whatever...and other days you could tell it wasn't a good day. Then there were those who were the "regulars" that would come in every time we were there, then one week you wouldn't see them. Bless those people who work in that field, to handle that emotion on a daily basis.

So the fact that Carl Wilson was sick and couldn't do a show one day but played one the next isn't surprising at all, nor is it out of the ordinary. Again, from what I saw one of the toughest personal struggles was the desire to do the things you wanted to do, were accustomed to doing, or even loved to do, but which the illness physically (or mentally) prevented you from doing. And if there were a "good day" so to speak, you'd want to get back into that normal routine as much as you could. Carl was a musician, he loved being a musician and playing music for people: I'm sure like all of those who have battled cancer, he'd try any way he could to do just that and do what he loved and wanted to do, but some days the illness just kept him from doing so.

GuitarFool;

Very sorry about your parents ; cancer is hideous, a horror to any family that has had to deal with it.

The crux of Hey Jude's question , I believe, is what was Elliott Lott referring to in Carlin's book and the Rolling Stone article; i.e. Mike's stating he would not appear with Carl ; with Carl being very ill , wearing a wig  and requiring oxygen in between songs ect.  What Elliott Lott was defending, was the letter that Mike had sent to BRI effectively demanding that Carl should step down from touring ; if not , then he (Mike) was going to quit. I remember that Brian's reponse to the letter was that he felt Carl should tour as long as he felt like he could, and that it should be up to Carl when he stops. Elliott was attempting to define it as tough love from Mike in getting Carl to step down.

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