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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike to revisit THAT speech at the R&R Hall Of Fame. on: September 24, 2016, 02:19:23 AM
Why not invite all those he mentioned to give their opinion of him? That would be more amusing.
102  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: September 22, 2016, 05:47:57 AM
There are several annoying "narratives" going on in the wacky world of BB fandom.

1) "Brianistas". That it could ever become a sort of insult is absurd in itself. We all owe to Brian a world of music rating among the best ever, done overcoming problems one would not wish upon their worst enemy. He has delighted legions of people, and consistently been a beneficial infuence on many of our lives. While I am comfortably typing this, he is out in the world working his a** off for us fans, again overcoming stage fright, anxiety, fatigue, and his pains. On top of all, he comes out as humble and unassuming as possible.
Do we "Brianistas" think that Brian can do no wrong? No. That he walks on water? No. That all the other Beach Boys are artistically negligible? No. Brian has been and is discussed in depth, here and elsewhere, and not everything is praise, even by the so-called "Brianistas".
But yes, we love Brian, and with reason. He is not only a musical genius. He is a HERO... our hero.

2) "Mike haters". WE DON'T HATE MIKE LOVE. I don't think anybody in this board hates Mike, not even OSD and Smile Brian: their anti-Mike attitude seems more like a put-on to me, a voluntary exaggeration bordering at times on self-parody. After all, some of the reasons I listed for loving Brian are also valid for Mike, up to a point. And "hate" is a big word, which I reserve for those who effectively damage and ruin other people's lives, like UE bureaucrats for example.
Let's rather say that even many ex-fans of his (like me) can't stand any more his relentless self-serving, his attempts to rewrite history, his always harping on Wilson drug abuse and sundry other things, his going after Melinda.
Said that, there's a current thread here about Mike's best vocal moments, started by Century Deprived, who is surely considered a "Brianista". Most of the "regulars" here have contributed. That's how we hate Mike. 3D

3) The bans. A handful of people have been banned, yes. 3381 members, and growing, haven't. First as a lurker then as a member, I have followed the "history" before those bans, and feel free to say that they had it coming. In some cases they were practically asking for it. Sometimes there were specific, very serious, reasons for the ban. In other cases, there was a history of years of trolling and sistematic board disruption.
Sure, the mods have become harsher lately. Imho, if anything they had been too lenient before. There is a self-defence argument too: namely, this board and its mods have been subjected to rather nauseating campaigns against.
Be as it may, with the "new" policy the board is healthier and friendlier than ever before.

I completely agree about Brianistas. It may have taken on a meaning (for some) of being delusional about Brian and the other Beach Boys. For me, it just means someone who supports Brian. I had a T shirt done with this word in rhinestones. I believe in nailing my colours to the mast on this one. The reasons so many support Brian are IMO self explanatory. It is harder to understand why Mike gets the level of support he does from some of his most loyal fans.
Hating Mike? Occasionally I feel strong dislike. For example when reading the wording of the 2005 lawsuit.

As for the banning, I agree with thorgil. Most of those surely had it coming.
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike to revisit THAT speech at the R&R Hall Of Fame. on: September 22, 2016, 01:35:01 AM
That speech! But still, the part of it that annoys me most was the way Mike behaved like a spoilt, attention seeking child during Brian's part of the speech.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 19, 2016, 10:33:25 AM
Then playing surf's up with M&B to stick it to BW.

Someone who went to the Southend on Sea show spoke to Al and posted on FB that Al had said they'd worked on Surf's Up. I hope this is true - I would love to see Brian and his band do this again, reclaiming it after M&B did it.
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on \ on: September 18, 2016, 08:39:48 AM

Ok, Pulllleeeezzzzz, why is he capitalizing on the the story of the Wilson brothers?  I am so sick of his bringing up this stuff.  If I were to look at Mike Love today and Brian Wilson today, it might be an advertisement for taking drugs!   Brian is so much more chill and Mike seems to have a lot of residual issues around the wilsons drug use.\
P.S.  Why was Mike Love taking a shower at Dennis Wilson's house?   Does anyone else find that weird?  He just stopped by....and needed to take a shower?

Not buying it.


Thought the same myself. You might ask to use the bathroom but in order to visit the loo and wash your hands. A shower? Why would Mike have needed a shower? Please don't answer. Ignorance is bliss.


Wasn't it implied that he was going in there to hook up with a lady?

What I read/heard seemed to vaguely imply that, but conveniently he left it open so that he can portray himself as the innocent who possibly didn't partake in the same indiscretions as Dennis and - with Dennis as host for awhile - a huge number of people in Hollywood.  No wonder those people were notably so terrified.

I was listening to the WSJ article.  There are so many interests I share with Mike - interest in origins of languages, history, star-gazing, etc.  It would be so convenient to like him.  But then it inevitably starts - his self-serving and ever-expanding history re-write, and his attacks on people I care about.  It's unbearable.

I'd agree that the implication was vague. Bringing up the indiscretions of others and being vague about one's own is not IMO a very honest approach to writing memoirs.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on \ on: September 18, 2016, 07:39:03 AM

Ok, Pulllleeeezzzzz, why is he capitalizing on the the story of the Wilson brothers?  I am so sick of his bringing up this stuff.  If I were to look at Mike Love today and Brian Wilson today, it might be an advertisement for taking drugs!   Brian is so much more chill and Mike seems to have a lot of residual issues around the wilsons drug use.\
P.S.  Why was Mike Love taking a shower at Dennis Wilson's house?   Does anyone else find that weird?  He just stopped by....and needed to take a shower?

Not buying it.


Thought the same myself. You might ask to use the bathroom but in order to visit the loo and wash your hands. A shower? Why would Mike have needed a shower? Please don't answer. Ignorance is bliss.
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 16, 2016, 10:03:40 AM
Isn't there something that interrogators say about how true stories tend to be told one way but made up stories tend to have a variety of different versions? I'm really not saying that's true in this case but it is something to keep in mind.

I don't know what interrogators say but my Grandma used to say 'Liars have to have good memories.'
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 16, 2016, 09:00:28 AM
In either version, Melinda is placing herself as one of the principals running the band.  When spouses get involved in a husband's business, it's often bad news, and the other business partners deeply resent it.

Going by the 2005 lawsuit Mike resents Al and Brian, let alone Melinda.
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would have happened to SMiLE outtakes/scraps had the album been finished? on: September 16, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
I find it very hard, as someone on whom the music has had such an effect, to imagine that SMiLE would not have made a great impact had it been released in 1967. The modular construction of it means that it is possible to juggle with it and sequence it in a variety of ways and perhaps that still would have been done. What  George Martin did with the Love album, BB fans had been doing with SMiLE for ages and would perhaps have done it anyway.
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 16, 2016, 08:52:40 AM
Okay, so I don't have the book in front of me right now to compare his interview quote directly with the text of the book, but is Mike actually misquoting his own book (and memory) in that interview? The description above indicates the book describes an episode where Melinda told Mike's *wife* that Mike isn't Brian's partner, she (Melinda) is. No indication based on that description as to whether Mike was present when Melinda said this to Jackie, but either way, it sounds like it was addressed to Jackie and not Mike.

Then Mike says an in interview that Melinda told *him* (Mike) that Brian's not Mike's partner, Melinda is. I'm less concerned actually about whether Mike garbled the meaning (which it sounds like he did; Melinda saying she's Mike partner only makes sense in some sort of procedural, business sense), and more concerned if Mike is changing something Melinda said to Jackie into something Melinda said to him (Mike).

As for the incident itself, if it was in fact Melinda saying this to Jackie, and saying that she (Melinda) is Brian's partner, then it makes a lot more sense.

Let's break it down and apply probably too much analysis to this:

Mike asks Brian if Ambha can take over one of Brian's leads. First of all, did he really *ask* in the traditional sense? Or was it more like "Ambha's gonna sing this song, sound okay?" There’s a difference there. But in any event, even if it genuinely was a question and not more like a statement of what would be occurring unless someone raised an objection, I have to say this: Brian seems to be an easy going guy on that sort of stuff sometimes. I don’t think he wants to get in Mike’s grill about stuff. It’s just not his personality. I have to wonder, if Mike had said “So, Wilfred Brimley is going to come in and sing an Abba medley. Sound okay Cousin Brian?”, Brian might well say “Sure, yeah, whatever.”

Now, is having a gripe with Ambha singing a song, especially taking away a Brian lead, a legit gripe? I think so. An awkward one to be sure. But I’m not so sure Mike would have said “sure!” if Brian suggested his teenage daughter come on stage and take Mike’s lead on “Kokomo” or something. But that’s all hypothetical of course, to be fair. But, while Brian’s lead on “SOS” probably isn’t his best moment in a show, I think as a fan, who is probably getting ONE chance to see the reunion lineup, I’d rather hear Brian sing a song of his than Mike’s daughter. It’s really kind of an extension of the Stamos thing.

I think Melinda’s biggest legit concern would be these two points: One, the semantic but true point that Brian’s wife is his “partner”, not a guy who hasn’t written much with Brian in DECADES, hasn’t even recorded or toured with Brian extensively in about THIRTY years, etc. Secondly, related to this, is that it’s OBVIOUSLY a pointed thing to tell Brian’s wife that *Mike* is Brian’s partner. That sounds like a classic snippy, provocative thing to say. It’s part of the ridiculous narrative Mike has been spinning for years that he and Brian are still active partners (remember, part of Mike’s 2005 lawsuit being *shot down* in court was that Mike tried and FAILED to prove that an actual legal *partnership* had formed and existed between he and Brian), instead of the reality which is that they teamed up for some great co-writes between 1961 and about 1965 or 66, had sporadic collaborations after that, and little contact for decades after that.

More to the point, my biggest problem with these stories is not the sharing of the story. Rather, it’s the implication that such a story had ANYTHING to do with Mike dumping the reunion lineup. It’s like a guy dumping his wife because he wants to be with his mistress, and then when asked about it, ignores the mistress part and instead just rattles off a story about a contentious argument he had with his now ex-wife, or shares some other random factoid about his ex-wife that could reflect negatively on her. It would have little or nothing to do with the fact that he dumped his wife because he wanted to be with the other woman. Mike wants to do everything he can to avoid highlighting the fact that *he chose* to quit the reunion.

Does anyone really think Mike was all ready to keep the reunion permanent, but Melinda said the F word and Mike couldn’t handle it? Remember, this is Mike Love, the guy who when asked about playing gigs at Sun City said the UN could go f**k themselves. Mike has said *repeatedly* that he felt the reunion was always only going to be a short-term thing. “Set end date” and all of that. He was also surely booking shows before the reunion tour was over.

Does Mike reveal in his book precisely *when* he started booking shows for his own band?

I do think that Mike was probably in shock in the sense that, when is the last time someone on a BB tour said “No” to Mike about anything?

Ultimately, I certainly wish the communication and relations between these parties wouldn’t have been so snippy and dysfunctional (and that goes for all sides; Jackie calling Mike Brian’s partner is clearly meant to be provocative too, and at the very least delusional). But if someone behind the scenes was telling Mike to let Brian have his leads so the *fans* can hear Brian sing the song instead of Mike running a talent show for his daughter, I don’t mind.

I’m actually more curious how the Stamos incident during the tour in NY unfolded in light of this Ambha story.

But yeah, I think what this all indicates is that Mike dislikes Melinda more than he wants to be with Brian. Yeah, it appears you have to (sporadically, since Melinda doesn’t stay on tour) deal with Melinda in order to work with Brian. So what? Get over it. Take one for the team, the team being both the BAND and the FANS. *Everybody else* was and is able to work with Melinda. Just like I’m sure maybe some people don’t like to deal with the Mike-Jackie partnership, some probably find it annoying to deal with Melinda. But yeah, get over it. Is Melinda really the most tough-as-nails person Mike has come across in all his years in the industry? Remember all the characters the BBs dealt with over the years. They used to do show deals with people like Bill Graham. Is Melinda reminding Jackie that Brian’s current wife is Brian’s partner, not his cowriter from 50 years ago, really that difficult to deal with?

Does anybody not think that someone over all these years found it difficult to deal with Mike and Jackie, and Mike’s point of view and business actions? Talk to Al about that; I’m sure he might have some interesting things that speak to the difficulties in dealing with *Mike* and Mike’s “team.”

I’m not going to blindly defend Melinda. I think we have sketchy details on this story, but I have no problem saying I probably wouldn’t want to be involved business-wise with ANY of these people. A certain level of acrimony and dysfunctionality seem to permeate all corners of this thing. But trust me, these “shocker” stories about something Melinda might have said behind the scenes? Trust me, there are stories about ALL of these people like that, *especially* Mike.


Partly quoting just to repeat it because it's an excellent post but also to make the point that if Mike doesn't get on with Melinda that would surely be the same reason he seems not to get on with some others who supercede him as a BW collaborator or partner. Mike is jealous and also competitive and wants to be the main man, the one with whom Brian works and makes hits.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 16, 2016, 03:55:29 AM
Actually after re-reading point 5, that is not what Mike said in the quote. Melinda apparently says she is Mikes partner, not Brian.

To be fair, Foskett sang Brian leads (DWB off the top of my head). Perhaps Mike should have asked if Ambha could cover that.

From the link that opened this thread: '“Yeah. She once told me that ‘Brian’s not your partner. I’m your f****ng partner.’ That’s what she said,” Love said.'

I assume Mike didn't actually mean this - it doesn't make any sense.

112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 16, 2016, 03:18:23 AM
I was about to post about this per Mike's new book, to which he must be alluding here. I just got the book and read the first 50 pages, a clear and sensitive recounting of the early days. Mike's style is relaxed and thoughtful. Then I skipped ahead to the 50th part and just saw this new, related thread. If true, then Melinda was fiercely defending Brian from. . . .well, from what? From a rival?  I take Mike's story seriously.  He also recounts how they tossed him a couple of lyrics but that he had little say in the album and had no idea it would be grounded in Joe Thomas/BW leftovers.

I had heard previously from a reliable source that the 50th broke up because, among others, 2 reasons: M's and B's wives hated each other and Mike was not given the chance to even hear the Radio album before it was released. Both stories confirmed here.

Mike says in the book, which is full of endless praise and love for Brian, that in the 50th, whenever the 5 BB were alone together, it was magic. Trouble came from the people/business structures outside of the actual principles.

My ultimate feeling is sadness for Mike and for all the BB.  I will not demonize Melinda, but I do not doubt her capable of such hurtful derision against Mike. It does not diminish her purportedly salvific love for Brian, but it shows a side of her that can be cruel and heartless.

Melinda supposedly had a message from Mike to the effect 'Your husband had better write a big hit because he is going to have to write me a big cheque' or words to that effect. And read the comments made in the 2005 lawsuit.  I don't blame Melinda for being defensive of Brian. In fact, I applaud her for it. As for the magic of Brian and Mike together, well he would say that but listen to Daybreak over the Ocean. Give me Brian's mini-suite from 'Radio' any day.

The context:

1. At soundcheck, Mike asks Brian if daughter Ambha can sing lead on Sail On Sailor
2. Brian says OK
3. Melinda "storms" to Jacquelyne, says Ambha can't sing a Brian lead
4. “Mike already discussed the matter with his partner, Brian.”
5. “Mike’s not his fucking partner. I’m his fucking partner.”

Is this fact or hypothetical?

And if this bit is true I still don't blame Melinda. Brian is related to Ambha - Melinda only an in law. That means she can be more objective about it. Ambha was not an original Beach Boy and not a professional musician. Would Mike's wife have been happy at the idea of Carnie or Wendy joining in? And they have had a career in music.

Mike had to emphasise Melinda's use of the 'f' word. Of course, I'm sure he NEVER uses it nor ever actually said 'don't f*** with the formula'. Seriously, she may have used this word - many of us do when we are angry - but deliberately trying to win sympathy by making sure everyone knows she used it is all a bit pathetic.
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that are still not officially released but out there on: September 14, 2016, 06:54:46 AM
Huh?

Sorry to be unclear and yes I do mean tongue twisters.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that are still not officially released but out there on: September 14, 2016, 02:22:06 AM
I'm not the fig plucker nor the fig pluckers son, but ill pluck figs till the fig plucker comes.  Grin

I've heard this done with 'pheasant' and it scans better. Of course not by Brian.

I LOVE Rings.
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 13, 2016, 07:37:20 AM
This idea that the fault all lies with one email is just too childish for words. It's just a way of passing the buck when coming in for some unforeseen flak because of something you have chosen to do. Even if there was such an email, out of the blue and with no provocation, there were surely better ways to deal with it. For example, if I have personal problems with someone I don't find it helpful to advertise it in the local paper. The only reason to do that is to deliberately try to hurt someone and sometimes that backfires badly.
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 13, 2016, 02:10:17 AM
I never wanted a reunion so I'm not bothered that it ended. What bothers me is the way it ended and the apparent lack of truth about the situation afterwards. It showed that the idea of a reunited Beach Boys was illusory which disappointed many and gave credence to the stories of  bad feeling between certain band members.  The Beach Boys had toured successfully and got their record to a respectable position in the charts but once again, problems between members had meant it was unsustainable. Of course it had only ever been intended as a finite thing, though of course no-one could have anticipated in advance whether it would work or not. Had it ended with a polite joint announcement that would have been fine. But yet another clumsy mess and letters to the LA Times from Mike and Brian. It should have ended triumphantly. THAT'S what protecting the legacy means.

Ang - the C50 tour for me, was both a surprise and not a surprise - only in the long continuum of their careers.  I think a real "reunion" would have meant going back to the drawing board at Brother, and figure out how to go forward with a work model for themselves while at least 3 members have had their own working bands.  

If that was a possiblity it should have maybe happened apart from the tour, maybe in the middle someplace.   There were separate bands working in different business models of operation.  Al's band had people who were working in different bands. That is a lot to consider when people have livelihoods and families to consider.  I think that would have been really selfish to leave those musicians in limbo.  This would have taken some planning. But, C50 was magnificent.          

First, I remember that Brian's solo career was an orchestration of Landy, who, as we know carved out an unethical relationship with Brian's music.  Second, what I keep separate is the calamity of Carl's death and the dilemma of how and whether to go forward to keep the music alive.  Going back to that 1998 place (and maybe before)  Landy was undermining Brian's involvement with the band.  And, after he was wrested free, Brian wanted to do the solo thing.  Had Carl been alive, and he had recovered from that calamity, I think Brian would have been back in the band had he wanted.  

But, when things splintered, with Carl's death it might have been better for Brian to do the solo thing and work on his own business model which he did build out beautifully.  It takes courage to rebuild.  

But, I think no one can be accused of not doing his best professionally.  I think that fans are looking at what a "legacy" is in a fan's eyes and not from what the track record is.  I think it is the fan wish-list.  

Last night I read the preview of Brian's book from some link - didn't know it was up for a couple of months.  It felt as though Brian was casually sitting in the same room unfolding (as though he was writing a song) his story...am looking forward to reading it when it is fully released.  

And, I would like to see them sit around King Arthur's table and figure this out. For themselves; one way or the other. Not just because the fans want it.  

The separation (and their respective struggles) have made them all grow in enormous ways, whether it was forming and performing as different bands, or recording with new artists, or whatever.  I'm not worried about a legacy.  All people have to do is walk in a store, turn on the TV, radio, or anyplace you would hear their music and that is their legacy.  There is real triumph in their survivorship and whatever business model they want to use, and keeping the music going.     Wink

We are going to have to agree to differ on the C50. It was magnificently successful on a commercial basis but the comment Mike made about it being a show in two halves (first and second) had a deeper truth. The first half was stereotypical Beach Boys complete with backdrop footage of young bodies in swimwear, sunshine etc. Oh, yes, a seductive image and one I would have fallen for once but compare with the concerts Brian had done with his band for Pet Sounds and SMiLE for example. So much more about the music rather than the image and C50 didn't come close to those IMO. The second half of the C50 show was more typical of Brian's style but I was conscious throughout the show of how un-reunited the band were - the cracks were definitely visible.

Brian has said that he hasn't spoken to Mike since the end of the C50. I cannot see much chance of another reunion and frankly sincerely hope that there won't be one.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 12, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
I never wanted a reunion so I'm not bothered that it ended. What bothers me is the way it ended and the apparent lack of truth about the situation afterwards. It showed that the idea of a reunited Beach Boys was illusory which disappointed many and gave credence to the stories of  bad feeling between certain band members.  The Beach Boys had toured successfully and got their record to a respectable position in the charts but once again, problems between members had meant it was unsustainable. Of course it had only ever been intended as a finite thing, though of course no-one could have anticipated in advance whether it would work or not. Had it ended with a polite joint announcement that would have been fine. But yet another clumsy mess and letters to the LA Times from Mike and Brian. It should have ended triumphantly. THAT'S what protecting the legacy means.
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 11, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
Stebbins hit the same nail for the breakup back in 2014.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article39497814.html

For many years, Stebbins said, Love toured as the Beach Boys. But once Brian Wilson decided to tour again, he said, that posed a problem.

“Since Carl died in the late ’90s, Mike has basically been the man,” Stebbins said. “He runs the operations, and he runs the show. And I think for the 50th anniversary tour, he had to step back.”

When the surviving Beach Boys were together, Stebbins said, it was Brian Wilson — the mastermind behind the group — who won the biggest applause.

“Night after night after night after night, Mike is making less money getting reminded that Brian is more popular than him,” Stebbins said. “And he has to answer to people instead of calling all the shots himself.”



Anyone who went to the C50 witnessed it first hand. I remember during the UK shows that Mike described the show as 'a show in two halves'. He went on to say 'first half and second half'. But there was a subtext. It was called a reunion but they weren't in any real sense fully reunited. Maybe at times the competitiveness had a positive side earlier in the band's career though I'm not sure of that. But later in the band's career it was divisive.
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 11, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
Yep...Ang nailed it in paragraph 2.  THAT'S almost entirely it.  Mike is always the big kahuna with the mini/reasonable facsimile tours.  He's not about to SHARE let alone lose his artificial stature.  Not after all these decades of believing that he's WAY more important than he truly ever was.  He's come to believe ALL of the bull poop which festoons his booklette.

Melinda on the other hand?  If she had no time for the likes of that 'tonic seller' Landy, saw through all of that shyte, gathered evidence and  made sure that 'it' was dealt with it...why, then, would she sit idly by and simply watch another 'pretender' give her man anything less than the respect he both earned and deserves?  The only handling which seems to have taken place was that a spouse was 'there' for her spouse.  WE WOULD ALL want that for ourselves.  [Unless you go through wives like they're a dime a dozen.]

Thanks Dave in KC and Add Some but I can't take much credit for deciding Mike chose to end the C50 this way out of jealousy. It's something that has been said and written before by quite a few people, including Add Some and myself. It's so obvious that surely only perhaps Mike and some of his more obsessed fans could possibly fail to consider it. Or perhaps they do and pile the other excuses on top of it to disguise the truth.

Melinda comes in for a lot of flak but she has got Brian's back and I respect her for it. Add Some is right - she could no more allow Mike to be less than respectful to Brian than Landy.
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So according to Mike, the reason he ended the reunion... on: September 11, 2016, 01:27:38 AM
...seems to be because he says Melinda sent an email saying "no more dates for Wilson" or whatever (which we already knew) and then, most likely most importantly, Mike felt Melinda had disrespected him during rehearsals and also during the during.

So first about the email. As I said, we knew this. What we didn't know, however, there was a later email withdrawing that statement which Mike said was then "too late" for whatever reason. Why it would be "too late" is beyond me. Cuz they were selling tickets for Mike's watered down version of the group? So what? So one of the most important groups of all time couldn't continue their reunion so some dumb f*** in Shitholeville, USA could see Scott Totten feel up a cheerleader as she's "playing his guitar"? Right.

About Melinda getting in little beefs with Mike? Well that's another issue. Did she step outside of what her role should have been? I'm not sure. But at the same time somebody needed to speak for Brian and his interests and perhaps Brian had Melinda say things to Mike that he might not wanna say. Of course Mike would never consider that because everybody but him controls Brian, whereas he has his best interests at heart.

Also, he makes a lot of the fact that he was in charge of the touring while Brian was in charge of the studio, but then proceeds to whine all about how unfair it was that he didn't get to write with Brian the way he wanted to. And mocking the five writers of "Isn't It Time" is pretty rich coming from the guy who touts "Kokomo" every minute of the day. Say Doctor Love, how many co-writers were there on your favorite Beach Boys tune? Four? Five? Oh that one's okay though, cuz you say so! Sure Mikey! He also whined about how Melinda butted in on the tour stuff. Which yeah, okay, he's the guy in charge of the tour stuff. But if he has the right to complain about studio stuff, doesn't Brian (via Melinda) have the right to complain about what Mike wants for the tour stuff? So I would think.

Now it's lame that I even have to say this, but I think Mike Love is a good singer and a good songwriter. I am definitely so happy for all the great vocals and lyrics he's provided over the years. But his insistence on always being the poor little victim sometimes leads him to contradict himself or just make himself look full of sh*t. Sorry.

Posted this on the other site too, interested to hear what everyone says.

Okay, I've sent my share of emails over the years, and never would I have sent such a 5-word email without some sort of context that never seems to be provided.  I've had people in Mike's camp try to sell this silly thing to me, and when I ask the question about the context for it, what provoked it, whatever; I never get any kind of response. Did this book offer any clarification?

If not, I think it's fairly safe to assume why Brian has never responded to this bizarre, nonsensical leak:  Such talk would be a violation of BRI confidentiality.  It's possible that leaking that email through Mike's underage kid was genius of a sort, in that no one was likely to sue and anyone challenging a child would be considered a bad person.  Then again, t's awful in another sense, I'm thinking.  

If the full explanation isn't in that book, then there is no way to make any logic of this email claim, as there's a lack of any information for us to understand why such an email might exist.  I have to wonder who had the most to gain from all this.

I can speculate too.  The famous email might be seen as a simplistic excuse to end a highly successful tour with all the living band members and to continue to tour under the BBs' name with much bigger profits going to a single member with a license.  There seemed to be a large number of "misguided" promoters who also seemed to miss the fact that it was a different band for several years after the 2012 tour.  Brian's and Al's photos showed up in promo stuff on quite a few occasions.  It may have all been innocent and the ignorance of the promoters.  Like I said, this is all speculation.  I have no proof.  Just like that lone email proves nothing.

I'm thinking my speculation is as good as anyone else's about all this unless we have some tangible facts.  I don't expect them to be forthcoming, unless someone has seen Mike's book and it's all enlightened now.

Good points and I agree that it seems possible, perhaps even likely, that there is more to it. What clinches that suspicion for me is that Mike made too many excuses. There was the one about over exposure - laughable, given the number of shows he does. Citing an Eagles show and the poor ticket prices was really shooting himself in the foot too, as the show took place in 1975 and included the Beach Boys - it was the Wembley show with an audience of about 70,000. The Eagles management responded to his comments less than politely! Then there was the one about his M&B tour. And how Mike had wanted to be able to write with Brian and wasn't given the opportunity. Then his daughter came out with the one about the shady people surrounding Brian. Was the email from Melinda sent without any provocation? It would be nice, as Debbie has commented, to have some context.

My suspicion is that whether or not Mike was annoyed with Melinda interfering in the tour side of things, one of the things Mike really did not like was witnessing the level of applause for Brian every night. It is clear from his interviews that Mike is jealous of Brian - were he less nasty about it, one could feel some sympathy but bringing up Brian's use of drugs every chance he gets, and the litigation, has become seriously tiresome. I reckon his jealousy is probably the real reason he wanted to call a halt to the C50 in the way that he did.
121  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: September 10, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
I can't help but find it anything other than deeply amusing that the poster doing the lion's share of the stirring is someone who recently flounced off in hugely public manner, vowing never to return. Epic fail.  Grin

Because he thought you were behind it!  Cheesy

I'm guessing someone's feeling pretty silly right now...

I left here last December because of this PM crap, and I'm glad it's finally seeing light. And I made it publicly known why I was leaving and comments like ^these were made by Andrew. This garbage is utterly disgusting - getting people's addresses? For fucks sake, really? Is OSD really that big of a problem? Oh wait, a tiny picture on a freebie CD was enough to drag a lawsuit out for half a decade, so yeah. Utterly pathetic.

"If that bloody woman suddenly vanishes, it may or may not be down to the fact that I know where she lives.  LOL"

Okay...so why on earth are we finding out where people live who post on this forum? And then joking about them vanishing from a forum? What the living hell is that?

Smile Brian, we met up at a concert one time - if you are actually Melinda Wilson I think Brian's taste in women is...eh, not great. But you aren't Melinda Wilson and AGD's "impeccable source" who has never let him down is undeniably wrong. Big surprise lol.

Darian has been fired more times than Mike has been married?

So yeah, this is why I left the forum back in December. I didn't know it was at all this bad when I left, but I knew bad information/rumors were being spread and I couldn't stand being apart of a forum that was being ignorantly accepting of this bullshit. It really has ruined my fandom in a way - I truly used to love coming to this place. Before a year or two ago I mostly posted about the music and loved every bit of it. But knowing the depths people have gone behind the scenes regarding rumors about Melinda or backstabbing, defending certain people, etc, I have no real interest in being a full time member of another online Beach Boys community again.

Billy, thanks for posting these PMs. A LOT of people got raked through the coals because no one believed what you, Charles, and Guitarfool were saying. You guys got your reputations dragged through the mud, who knows what rumors were spread about the rest of us behind the scenes. Frankly I don't care what AGD calls this board, or if the Pet Sounds forum still welcomes him with open arms after these PMs have come to light. But I do hope that people will respect the decisions that were made here on Smiley Smile over the past year regarding this situation. I don't think it was easy for Billy to make the decisions he made, and the changes that took place have drastically impacted this forum. Anywho, thanks again to the mods and to Charles for trying to do the right thing this past year.

If I'm the bloody woman (he also called me a poisonous little madam for the record) I find it amusing that when I saw AGD at the pre show meet up for one of the Palladium shows, though I was trying to avoid him, he sought me out, not to attempt murder but just to show off about having been on the TV. Like I cared.  His opinion of me doesn't matter to me but I hope that those who have been upset by his comments feel pleased that he has been banned for life.







Sad part is I now have a visual of him going around to random people saying 'Cheerio I've just been on the telly' LOL

He told me they had almost won (laying the blame maybe fairly, I didn't see it) on another young female team member. A friend commented 'Almost won? In other words, lost.'
122  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: September 10, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
I can't help but find it anything other than deeply amusing that the poster doing the lion's share of the stirring is someone who recently flounced off in hugely public manner, vowing never to return. Epic fail.  Grin

Because he thought you were behind it!  Cheesy

I'm guessing someone's feeling pretty silly right now...

I left here last December because of this PM crap, and I'm glad it's finally seeing light. And I made it publicly known why I was leaving and comments like ^these were made by Andrew. This garbage is utterly disgusting - getting people's addresses? For fucks sake, really? Is OSD really that big of a problem? Oh wait, a tiny picture on a freebie CD was enough to drag a lawsuit out for half a decade, so yeah. Utterly pathetic.

"If that bloody woman suddenly vanishes, it may or may not be down to the fact that I know where she lives.  LOL"

Okay...so why on earth are we finding out where people live who post on this forum? And then joking about them vanishing from a forum? What the living hell is that?

Smile Brian, we met up at a concert one time - if you are actually Melinda Wilson I think Brian's taste in women is...eh, not great. But you aren't Melinda Wilson and AGD's "impeccable source" who has never let him down is undeniably wrong. Big surprise lol.

Darian has been fired more times than Mike has been married?

So yeah, this is why I left the forum back in December. I didn't know it was at all this bad when I left, but I knew bad information/rumors were being spread and I couldn't stand being apart of a forum that was being ignorantly accepting of this bullshit. It really has ruined my fandom in a way - I truly used to love coming to this place. Before a year or two ago I mostly posted about the music and loved every bit of it. But knowing the depths people have gone behind the scenes regarding rumors about Melinda or backstabbing, defending certain people, etc, I have no real interest in being a full time member of another online Beach Boys community again.

Billy, thanks for posting these PMs. A LOT of people got raked through the coals because no one believed what you, Charles, and Guitarfool were saying. You guys got your reputations dragged through the mud, who knows what rumors were spread about the rest of us behind the scenes. Frankly I don't care what AGD calls this board, or if the Pet Sounds forum still welcomes him with open arms after these PMs have come to light. But I do hope that people will respect the decisions that were made here on Smiley Smile over the past year regarding this situation. I don't think it was easy for Billy to make the decisions he made, and the changes that took place have drastically impacted this forum. Anywho, thanks again to the mods and to Charles for trying to do the right thing this past year.

If I'm the bloody woman (he also called me a poisonous little madam for the record) I find it amusing that when I saw AGD at the pre show meet up for one of the Palladium shows, though I was trying to avoid him, he sought me out, not to attempt murder but just to show off about having been on the TV. Like I cared.  His opinion of me doesn't matter to me but I hope that those who have been upset by his comments feel pleased that he has been banned for life.





123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: From Brianistas to Lovesters on: September 10, 2016, 06:56:55 AM
It's stuff like this from the 2005 lawsuit that really annoys me:

"In 2002, Brian began to resurrect his career by touring with his own band. However his “performance” has been, for the most part, limited by his past mental and emotional problems. In order to promote himself, Brian began to misappropriate BRI property. In 2003, he misappropriated “Pet Sounds,” a Beach Boys album, all while serving as a fiduciary to BRI. In September, 2004, Brian Wilson, without permission or a license from BRI, the owner of Smile, orchestrated the scheme to release a Smile CD. Up until then, Smile had been called the most recognized unreleased album in the history of rock ‘n’ roll. Smile has obtained “secondary meaning” as a Beach Boys property, and historically has been identified with The Beach Boys trademark."

There is no real fairness in these comments. Brian's "performance' has been enough to sell out many concerts and get him invited to Party at the Palace. SMiLE may have obtained 'secondary meaning' as a Beach Boys property but it was the brainchild of Brian and Van Dyke Parks and at the time Mike wasn't exactly its best fan.
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ian Lee interviews Mike Love on: September 10, 2016, 04:54:44 AM
The interview wasn't scripted.  I suggested to Iain he ask Mike about the sax.  Maybe he was going to anyway, but it was nice when he did.  And it was good of Iain to ask some of us for a bit of input before the interview.  It was also a good way to start the interview by playing "Only With You" and "Add Some Music". The idea was to get Mike into talking about Dennis, which he did in a favourable manner, and also about some more 'deep' cuts.  

Also, how many people would ask Mike about cunnilingus?  It got a laugh and also some warmth towards Dennis.

Mike didn't sound condescending towards The Wilson's and drugs at any point like he has in the past.

Also, Brian has said SMiLE didn't come out because, "I was taking a lot of drugs and they messed with my mind".  Mike says it and people get offended.

And I think Mike was a better and more relaxed interview subject than Brian would have been.

I think Iain did a good job with this one.

I haven't listened to the whole interview but the comment about SMiLE - it's one thing for Brian to blame himself and quite another for Mike to blame Brian. Brian is generally a non confrontational person and is unlikely to say something that he knows would generate a lot of questions. He will go for the easy option. Mike is well aware of the fact that it's more complicated than JUST the drugs. It's more complicated than JUST Mike too, but he had a part in it. His relationship with Van Dyke Parks wasn't helpful, just for starters. I remember reading an interview with the Beach Boys during the C50. The interviewer wrote that when Mike was making some comments about SMiLE, Brian zoned out, the inference being that Brian was far from happy about what was being said.



I remember an interview during C50 with Brian, Al and Mike on camera and the woman asking them about the influence of drugs. Brian sat up and asked "First of all, who did drugs?" turned to Mike and said "Did you do drugs?" to which Al couldn't hold on and burst out laughing... I have to see if I can find that online somewhere...  Grin

Hilarious!

The thing is would we have had SMiLE without drugs? It isn't just a black and white issue - whatever harm drugs may do, they can make a difference to creative output. I read a recent article about Australian researchers finding clay pipes from Shakespeare's garden and identifying some drugs from them.
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ian Lee interviews Mike Love on: September 10, 2016, 02:10:11 AM
The interview wasn't scripted.  I suggested to Iain he ask Mike about the sax.  Maybe he was going to anyway, but it was nice when he did.  And it was good of Iain to ask some of us for a bit of input before the interview.  It was also a good way to start the interview by playing "Only With You" and "Add Some Music". The idea was to get Mike into talking about Dennis, which he did in a favourable manner, and also about some more 'deep' cuts.  

Also, how many people would ask Mike about cunnilingus?  It got a laugh and also some warmth towards Dennis.

Mike didn't sound condescending towards The Wilson's and drugs at any point like he has in the past.

Also, Brian has said SMiLE didn't come out because, "I was taking a lot of drugs and they messed with my mind".  Mike says it and people get offended.

And I think Mike was a better and more relaxed interview subject than Brian would have been.

I think Iain did a good job with this one.

I haven't listened to the whole interview but the comment about SMiLE - it's one thing for Brian to blame himself and quite another for Mike to blame Brian. Brian is generally a non confrontational person and is unlikely to say something that he knows would generate a lot of questions. He will go for the easy option. Mike is well aware of the fact that it's more complicated than JUST the drugs. It's more complicated than JUST Mike too, but he had a part in it. His relationship with Van Dyke Parks wasn't helpful, just for starters. I remember reading an interview with the Beach Boys during the C50. The interviewer wrote that when Mike was making some comments about SMiLE, Brian zoned out, the inference being that Brian was far from happy about what was being said.
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