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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rarities on: August 25, 2015, 07:05:35 PM
Thanks!

Also, I've seen the mimed performances of the hit medley.  Worse than miming to their younger selves is 80's Brian, miming to 60's Carl!  Wow.
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Rarities on: August 25, 2015, 06:39:08 PM
1983 was a long time ago.  Have the songs from this collection been released elsewhere since? 

Also, the wikipedia page for the album lists three medleys as CD bonus tracks which begs a few more more questions: Was the album issued on CD at the time of its initial release or did that come later?  What's the deal with the medleys?  Were they live recordings or studio edits?  If the latter, were they created specifically for this release or did they predate it?

Thanks!
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Surf's Up (song) question on: August 24, 2015, 07:46:37 PM
I'm trying to locate a version of the song but want to make sure it even exists before I drive myself too crazy hunting.  I swear I got it from youtube in the last 12 months but my mind could be playing tricks on me.  Does a version/fan made edit/whatever exist that has the "Child" vocals at the end but NOT the "Children's song" part?  Someone, please let me know so I can either take it from there or give up the search with no guilt.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: August 24, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
Thanks, guys.  I really appreciate it.
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: August 24, 2015, 12:58:11 AM
Who sings "Then I Kissed Her" at their shows?  for that matter, I'd love a breakdown of who sings what from one of the posted setlists.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the catalog on: August 20, 2015, 02:32:48 PM
When I lost the original library, it was at a time when UI had no other drive large enough to back things to.  After that one, I planned to back up the second one "at some point" but spent all my time trying to rebuild it.  This time around, I'm gonna go the hard copy route and will start that when I finish the Boys' stuff.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda...  Thankfully, I'm still "only" on my third attempt overall but this is my fourth time rebuilding the Beach Boys' stuff because of an apparent accidental delete and "cleaning".  I've been going through the official catalog first and will move on to the best boots and my own custom playlists  after that.  I'm currently re-tagging The Smile Sessions so I'm in the homestretch of phase one. 

I think the only things I haven't recovered are a few Smile related tracks (most importantly, the version of "Surf's Up" WITHOUT the "children's song" tag), the Symphonic Sounds CD, and Songs From Here And Back.  Thankfully, it's nothing crucial but I'd still greatly appreciate it if anyone can PM and/or point me  in the right direction
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the catalog on: August 17, 2015, 09:49:29 PM
Rather than starting another thread, I figured I'd update my rebuilding process here and try and discuss my renewed reaction to the tail end of the band's output prior to the reunion..  I'm putting everything in order, starting with the official albums and am now up to the first box set.  So far, the only compilations I've included are Endless Summer and Spirit Of America, although I'll create a custom one to cover the non-album tracks on Ten Years Of Harmony, Made In USA, and Rarities, to go between Keepin' The Summer Alive and the self-titled CD.  I'm re-tagging everything as I go and listening to a few songs off each album along the way.  I've said before that my favorite era's are Today! through (the demise of) Smile and Sunflower through In Concert.  I'm not a fan of the post-Smile, lo-fi trifecta (Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends), nor Love You either.  I much prefer Brian's densely orchestrated pop stuff (like Today! and Pet Sounds) and Carl and Rieley's "70's rock band" take so I've always felt the biggest disappointment in the group's history was them dropping the ball not once, but TWICE by failing to deliver Grade A product when expectations were at it's highest (following the Smile hype with Smiley Smile and following Endless Summer with 15 Big Ones).  Missed opportunities aside tho, I can at least see what Brian had in mind with all five of those albums (Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, 15 Big Ones, and Love You), tho I still feel TWO lo-fi failures were plenty and wished he and/or the band had skipped Friends and returned to form earlier than 20/20 and Sunflower.  Sunflower is brilliant but I think the disappointment of the three stripped down albums was still too familiar to the band's former fans, who just weren't ready to try their luck again. 

Going through everything, I reacquainted myself with the band's 80's output and man, oh man...  Looking at/listening to it with the perspective of history shows M.I.U. Album for the obvious cash grab is it, and things only got (unbelievably) worse from there.  Both it and L.A. had some high points but unlike the post-Pet Sounds and post Endless Summer stuff, LA and MIU sound like Al, Bruce, etc. trying to make albums they think the public might like, rather than a conscious direction inspired by Brian or anyone else.  I've always had a soft spot for Keepin' The Summer Alive and now I know why.  Unlike many on this board, I actually LIKE when the boys "rock" and I mean rock for real, like on In Concert, "It's About Time", "Surfin' USA, "Do It Again", and yes "Keepin' The Summer Alive"; not their embarrassingly square ATTEMPTS at rocking like "All I Want To Do" or "Bluebirds Over The Mountain" (which STILL sounds more like country to me).  "Keepin' The Summer Alive" sounds like somebody (Randy Bachman?) reminded the group that that they were a GUITAR band when they started and while the rest of the album doesn't live up to the promise of title track, when the guys played the other songs used to promote the album ("School Days", "Some Of Your Love", and "Going' On", and even "Livin' With A Heartache") they all sounded like they actually came from the same album.  The rest of the album?  Not so much.  So M.I.U. and L.A. had a few songs but no cohesive "soul", and Keepin' The Summer Alive had more direction but less punch, but all three of those albums feel like Sgt. Smile's Experienced Exile Sessions Revisited compared to what came next. 

As bad as Summer In Paradise is, I've always said, I would love someone to take the vocal tracks and re-record the songs around them with real, live instruments, especially and worlds less echo, etc.  Worse than the songs, the production on that album is some of the worst (if not THE worst) production I've heard from any big name rock band.  I almost can't believe, guys on such classic albums as Pet Sounds and Today! could listen back to even the SOUND of SIP and think, "That sounds good."  Then again, the 80's were a weird time...except the 80's were LONG gone by then!  Getting to the point, re-listening to the self-titled album from 1985, I was surprised how dated THAT album sounded.  Compared to the rest of it, "Getcha Back" sounds positively timeless!  "California Calling" is the only other thing that doesn't sound like complete 80's cheese and that one makes up for it with embarrassingly cliched lyrics.  I guess the most surprising thing about the band's final turd trifecta is that sandwiched between those two virtually unlistenable albums is how GOOD Still Cruisin' is by comparison!  Regardless of your feelings toward "Kokomo", at least the production (mostly) holds up, even 25 years later.  Sure, the sax solo is pretty schmaltzy but at least it sounds like an actual pop song and not just a exploration of cheesy digital effects.  It's still very dated, especially "Make It Big", and as far as cash grabs go, it makes M.I.U. look like Frank Zappa, but the songs and performances (especially those of Carl and Al) range from good to fantastic.

All this might sound obvious to you (or maybe you disagree) but going back to what was apparently my least listened to period of the group proved very surprising to me on this go around and not always in a good way.  Now, on to the box set!
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Necessary additions? on: August 15, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
As I said in the "revisiting the catalog" thread, I'm in the process of doing just that.  There's a lot of stuff out there, beyond the band's officially released albums:  Bootlegs, solo albums, side projects, tributes, etc.  How do you rate them as far as their importance to your collection?  Necessary?  Optional?  Avoidable?

Beyond the studio albums, I think the solo albums are right at the top, including Bruce, Blondie, and Dave's stuff, edged out only by some of the more important bootlegs, like the major Smile stuff, the Carnegie Hall concert, the Fillmore, etc.  I actually think Symphonic Sounds is about as close to an "official" album as you can get.  Unlike Stars And Stripes, it features some leads from the Boys, including turns from Mike, Bruce, and Matt Jardine (in his first officially released "Beach Boys" lead vocal).  I also think Songs From Here And Back is a necessary addition.  It's an officially/legally released live album with three exclusive solo tracks.  On the flip side, I find it hard to justify the inclusion of the NASCAR CD.

On the bootleg side, beyond Smile stuff and the better quality live offerings, I think the Unsurpassed Masters would be the next most important but I don't know how "necessary" I'd say they are.

Compilations are tough.  Endless Summer and Spirit Of America were so important, they helped put the band back on the musical map and arguably are what ensured their eternal legacy.  However, there's nothing new on them, unlike 50 Big Ones, Ten Years Of Harmony, or depending how you look at it, The Best Of The Brother Years, which included vastly different single mixes, not available on any of the studio discs.  And finally speaking of singles, another "must have" is a hand made collection of the singles/soundtrack songs currently unavailable at all, which is something I real wish the band would make happen because for some fans, that would be like a brand new album of all or almost songs unheard of to them. 

What do YOU think?  Are the alternate mixes important?  The UK mixes of Summer In Paradise?  Anything I'm missing?

109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All studio versions + studio evolutions of Surf's Up on: August 15, 2015, 01:13:03 AM
I asked in the "Revisiting the catalog" thread, where I discussed losing my digital collection (again) but got no response.  So speaking of "Surf's Up",  can anyone tell me where to look for a copy of "Surf's Up" WITHOUT the "children's song" tag?  I'm pretty sure I got it from Youtube before so if someone could give me a hint of what to type into the search bar I should be OK.
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the catalog on: August 13, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
That's probably a good idea: Hard copies.  The problem with my Smile was I always lanned to back it up once I finished it but it was always a work in progress. Hard copies of my collection would include the source files for all the smile stuff so I'll probably back every thing up this weekend. 

I think the biggest holes left in the collection are Carnege Hall (and to a lesser degree, the other shows that were in that old torrent with it that used to float around), Symphonic Sounds, the non-Smile Unsurpassed Masters, and some Smile stuff.  Can anyone tell me where to look for a copy of "Surf's Up" WITHOUT the "children's song" tag.  I'm pretty sure I got it from Youtube before so if someone could give me a hint of what to type into the seach bar I should be OK.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the catalog on: August 12, 2015, 07:02:44 PM
Thanks.  I really appreciate it. 

Does anyone else have any info on the other stuff?
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the catalog on: August 11, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
Thanks!
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Revisiting the catalog on: August 11, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
If I'm known for anything around here (which I doubt I am), it's the continual death of my digital music library, including my long-gestating take on Smile.  In the past five years, I lost more than one digital library, each with every file's properties painstakingly re-tagged, compilations compiled, you name it.  And tho my current library is still intact, it's only a pale shadow of its former greatness.  But now that I recently lost my very time consuming job, I figured I'd go back and pick up where I'd left off.  After all, my version of Smile was virtually finished.  All that was left was compiling a few acceptable versions of the (stand alone track) "The Elements" (one main version and two alternates) and "Child Is Father Of The Man" (both alternate versions.  What I discovered is almost proof of what must be my Smile curse.

Each time my library went it was due to a harddrive failure (Yes, I know)  and I basically saw it happen.  This time I would work on an artist on one drive, and move it to the new library when it was finished and while the library is just as I left it, my Beach Boys folder is gone; erased from existence.  I checked the recycle bin and even used a software recovery program but after trying in vain for weeks, I've given up the ghost and last night I downloaded the entire catalog (barring a few elusive selections) and and piecing things back together.  Hopefully, I'll actually FINISH Smile this time and get it online before the Spector goblins do it in again.  

Before then I have to sift through the various discography folders, and put everything together in one place. Looking everything over reminded me of so many things about the catalog: All the missed opportunities from great stuff that wasn't released, including some GREAT stuff I now have to hunt down again.  The amazing visible (audible) progression from teenage garage band to masters of their craft in just a few years.  All the missed opportunities from all the garbage that WAS released.  The missed opportunities when NOTHING was released.  The incredible releases we've seen since Carl's death.  That said, the reason I'm posting this is because of some of the oddities I came up or rediscovered while looking it over and want to know if anyone can shed some light on them.

Summer In Paradise: I know it's probably been answered before but why we're the "UK tracks" rerecorded?  Was the idea to improve them or did they think the alternate versions would appeal to those on the other side of the pond??  Who was behind the idea?
1993 Rehearsals:  Which musicians are present?  Submissions to Eric's site list Matt Jardine, Mike Meros, Richie Cannata, Mike Kowalski, and Ed Carter.  Is that correct?  Is that everyone?
Landlocked: Obviously aother boot, this one has 14 tracks.  "It's About Time" is the final track but there are no vocals and it's mostly drums and percussion.  What's the deal?  Is it just the drum (and organ?) tracks or is it something?  What's the deal with "Over The Waves"?  Which version of "Lady (Falling In Love) is this?  I remember hearing about distinct versions.  Finally, are there any differences between the versions of "Good Time", "Susie Cincinnati", and "When Girls Get Together" on here and the standard released versions?
Stars And Stripes Stripped: To me this feels like a bad attempt at a good idea.  The lead vocal tracks aren't quiet enough and the Boys' vocals aren't loud enough.  I would have loved to see the guys put out an official release of this, like a modern Stack O Tracks because the album would have to actually be remixed from the masters because the software tinkering just didn't get the job done.  
"Come Go With Me": Is there a big difference between the two versions?  Because I listened to what's said to be both of them (albeit quickly) and couldn't discern anything major but I thought I remembered hearing they were two different recordings.  Where did they each originally appear?

Finally (for now), I'm reaching out to the incredible Seltaeb or anyone who can point me in the direction of his work with the group's stuff because for one thing, his Smile mixes are absolutely ESSENTIAL to completing any shot at a "perfect" Smile, and his extended stuff like "Lonely Days" and "Walk On By" are total joys to experience.  (And if anyone wants to PM me with details about a certain concert recording from 1972 in New York. I'm definitely not going to complain.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All studio versions + studio evolutions of Surf's Up on: August 04, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
I created a custom edit (now lost again, with the rest of my Smile).  I used the first half of the Purple Chick version, the second half from the released version, and the ending WITHOUT the "children's song" part.  It wasn't there when Brian wrote it so I don't want it on my version.  
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian with Jimmy Buffett video, San Diego 1998 on: August 03, 2015, 11:08:58 AM
Speaking of that collaboration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0Kl9Njclw
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian / Al / Blondie Summer 2015 Tour Thread on: July 03, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
Yes. It is.


I hate to derail the thread, maybe start a new one? I am curious to what leads you to think this though.

He's out there playing his songs, the way he wrote them, from his past and present still in (for the most part) great voice...just like Brian.

Word.  Mostly (if not always?) in the original keys too.  Everything from "Yesterday" to "Helter Skelter" and everything in between.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian / Al / Blondie Summer 2015 Tour Thread on: June 27, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
To those of you attending the Philadelphia show on Monday (6/29), let's agree on a time & place to meet up, if only for a few minutes before the show. I would really like to meet all of you.

I second this.

I'd like this as well.
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Summing up the Beach Boys on: June 06, 2015, 10:04:04 AM
Best Surfing Song: Surfin' USA
Best Car Song: Don't Worry Baby
Best Love Song: God Only Knows
Best 70's Song: Surf's Up
Best/Most Beautiful Beach Boys Harmonies Song: Wouldn't It Be Nice

119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: seltaeb1012002's Stereo Remixes Thread (update: My Little Red Book w/drums) on: June 03, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

My Little Red Book (with 'Wild Honey' era drums):  http://soundcloud.com/smilead/brian-wilson-my-little-red-book-with-wild-honey-era-drums

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Amazing!  Greatly appreciated.  Your work is marvelous.
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: America - an imagined album on: April 04, 2015, 12:02:34 PM
Not better than what we got but a very nice concept.  Well thought and well done.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 28, 2015, 09:36:38 PM
I've said it before.  With Brad Delp and Carl both no longer with us and Brian and Macca nowhere near what they used to be, I honestly think Foskett is the greatest living Pop singer out there.  I was REALLY sad to see him leave Brian's band (and side), although I have no problem with his decision, given the circumstances, and the best thing about him joining Mike and Bruce is that he gets to do more of what he really does best, and that's sing in his regular, full voice range.  Anyone who likes Carl's version of "Darlin'" and sees fault with Jeff's needs to have their head examined because they've got some serious denial issues.  Thanks for posting!
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie on Wild Honey on: March 21, 2015, 04:17:34 PM
I know this is going to raise the ire of the faithful here, but I like Blondie's vocals on this better than Carl's. Blondie has a rocker voice. Carl just sounds so strained on "Wild Honey" and , as a Speech Therapist, I cringe at the thought of him shredding his vocal cords trying to "rock out." I can barely listen to him sing it. Blondie's more raw natural voice fits much better, IMHO.

You and me both!  Between the thin production on the stripped down albums (Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends) and Carl's "forced" delivery, I wasn't a fan of the song until I finally heard Blondie's take (which I LOVE!).  Seeing that the boys always referred to it as an R&B number, I'm thinking the Boys themselves preferred Blondie's more soulful take, which is why I suspect they gave him the vocal in concerts.  Carl is over all the best singer the band ever had but everyone had their particular strengths and that said, I think Blondie had the most "soulful" voice of the bunch.
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 10, 2015, 04:53:54 PM
Don't Worry Baby
Surf's Up
Wouldn't It Be Nice


Coincidentally, my three favorite Beach Boys' songs, but not in that order.
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any pictures of... on: November 26, 2014, 03:20:31 PM


Yes, that's what I had in mind. Thank you! Fantastic site!! And screw you Gerry Beckley  Grin


Awesome link but that's a different show.  Check out the length of Mike's beard.  Also Blondie is wearing a different shirt.  And I'm pretty sure they're playing "Wild Honey" (or "Good Vibrations") with Bruce on bass, yet the article says Bruce was only on stage for the encores (I Get Around, Sloop John B, Fun Fun Fun, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Surfer Girl, California Girls, and Barbara Ann).  I think the black and white pic is from the time when all three were still members of the band.   
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any pictures of... on: November 24, 2014, 05:07:18 PM

I so wish I was at this concert.

Absolutely!  "Disney Girls (1957)" AND Blondie singing "Wild Honey"!
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