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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How the Holland LP stands up in 1973 on: August 23, 2010, 11:50:02 PM
I do believe that Matt-Zeus hit it right on the head!
Him and I both share the Genesis/Beach Boys as our 2 favorite bands. And the Genesis I'm talking about is anything BEFORE "Duke"(which was their last real Genesis LP).
It's the structure of the chords and song craftsmanship by Brian Wilson and Tony Banks/Mike Rutherford/Steve Hackett that actually make these two bands very "akin" to one another.
But above all...........it's the Heartfelt EMOTION that both bands bring to their music that has always been the real draw to myself.

 Bri

I would put Queen as my absolute favourite with the BB, Led Zeppelin and Genesis in joint second. I always thought Queen were (to be simplistic) a cross between the BBs and Zeppelin early on. There are many parallels between Queen and Genesis too, particularly in regard to the division of their 70s and 80s work, though I find Queens 80s work a lot more palatable than Genesis'!
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian gigging with The Beach Boys 1984-1996 on: August 23, 2010, 08:28:16 AM
Interesting that he plays quite a bit in the 86-90 years which are prime Landy-era years and you are led to believe that his contact with the band is minimal in this period. Though what his relationships were like with them at that time is another matter - Al Jardine criticising his shoes etc....

That was Mike: Those Shoes Are Hideous!, as reported in the Todd Gold book.

Ah, I get my Beach Boy shoe-baiting incidents confused sometimes...
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How the Holland LP stands up in 1973 on: August 23, 2010, 08:27:19 AM
Tony Banks was a big Beach Boys fan and you can certainly hear that in his compositions.

I'm still waiting for Genesis to reunite and take "The Lamb" on the road again.  Doubt Peter can fit into his Rael costume...   

Unfortuneately I don't think it'll ever happen as they seem to have spent too long dithering over it all...also it always comes up as doing 'The Lamb' but personally I would prefer the slightly earlier material overall to be revisited - again, don't think it will happen... Huh
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How the Holland LP stands up in 1973 on: August 23, 2010, 04:56:03 AM
Sorry about that, "Selling England" WAS mentioned!

 Bri

No worries, it's a great album. Genesis always get a slagging from a lot of people but they were head and shoulders above all the other prog bands in my opinion, by virtue of being all about the songs as opposed to just the solos and all that. I think fans of Brian and the Beach Boys would find much to enjoy in the music - particularly in relation to the interesting chord structures and melodies and multi-sectional long songs. Tony Banks was a big Beach Boys fan and you can certainly hear that in his compositions.

If people ask me what music is my favourite it's hard to mention The Beach Boys and Genesis without having to justify it afterwards as the 'average joe's perception of these bands is generally quite poor - The Beach Boys being a cheesy Surfing band and Genesis doing 'We can't dance' and all their terrible 80s stuff. I'm also a massive Queen fan, and again I have the same problem there - though fortunately not as difficult as a lot of their prime 70s stuff is pretty well known (Queen II being my favourite album of all time).
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian gigging with The Beach Boys 1984-1996 on: August 23, 2010, 04:47:40 AM
Interesting that he plays quite a bit in the 86-90 years which are prime Landy-era years and you are led to believe that his contact with the band is minimal in this period. Though what his relationships were like with them at that time is another matter - Al Jardine criticising his shoes etc....
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How the Holland LP stands up in 1973 on: August 22, 2010, 02:17:50 PM
1973 is a great year for albums, aside from the aforementioned Floyd, Lou Reed and Zeppelin, there was also Queens debut album (great), Genesis' 'Selling England by the pound' (my favourite of theirs), Black Sabbaths 'Sabbath bloody Sabbath' (brilliant) - those 6 albums are some of my favourite albums of all time and I don't think Holland comes even close to them...
I much prefer CATP to Holland which I was primed not to like after reading AGDs book in the 90s but then was pleasantly surprised by it.

Nice call, surely evokes some memories. I loved the odd Queen single back then (Seven Seas Of Rhye), a bit of Led Zep, singles by Lou Reed, Sabbath's Paranoid, and I preferred Yes over Genesis. Floyd, I never 'got'. My tastes have changed a lot over the years, but that is hardly the issue here. I was a pubescent young lad and found it all very exciting.

I wished i'd been a pubescent young lad in that time period...
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Reimagines Gershwin on: August 22, 2010, 02:13:02 PM
This albums really growing on me now, at the moment it is my 'kitchen' album of choice...
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How the Holland LP stands up in 1973 on: August 22, 2010, 03:17:38 AM
1973 is a great year for albums, aside from the aforementioned Floyd, Lou Reed and Zeppelin, there was also Queens debut album (great), Genesis' 'Selling England by the pound' (my favourite of theirs), Black Sabbaths 'Sabbath bloody Sabbath' (brilliant) - those 6 albums are some of my favourite albums of all time and I don't think Holland comes even close to them...
I much prefer CATP to Holland which I was primed not to like after reading AGDs book in the 90s but then was pleasantly surprised by it.
59  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: The Night Was So Young cover on: August 20, 2010, 05:45:43 AM
Damnit, I just responded to a now-banned troll, didn't I... Awfuck.

It was amusing that you did..!  LOL

I enjoyed 'Night was so young', nice tag. I always enjoy covers of this era.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Reimagines Gershwin on: August 19, 2010, 04:37:40 AM
I like the album generally, Brians singing is enjoyable. I'm not that keen on 'It ain't necessarily so' or 'Our love is here to stay' (reminds me of those terrible Rod Stewart standards albums). The Brian 'trademarks' get a little overdone - clarinets etc (which i'm sure weren't used that much in the 'classic' days), but overall it's okay, thankfully light on the hideous twangy 'surf' guitars which are all over some of his other recent solo work.

If you are familiar with the opening few bars of "Rhapsody In Blue" you know the clarinet is the featured instrument - and the clarinet is used a lot in Rhapsody...

In fact, the clarinet solo opening is one of the most famous musical passages around.

I wasn't talking about the clarinet in Gershwins music, I was talking about the clarinet in the Beach Boys/Brians music (Hence my reference to 'Brian trademarks'). Obviously I know it's prominent in RIB, my point was rather the (over) use (?) of these instruments (not singling out clarinet in particular but just the general instrumentation - bass harmonica, twangy surf guitars etc etc) on recent Brian albums to indicate a flavour of his 'classic' or '60's sound when in actual fact they weren't used that commonly in the first place (aside from surf guitar obviously!). I think the term 'Wilsoniser' has been used....
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Reimagines Gershwin on: August 17, 2010, 05:08:56 AM
I like the album generally, Brians singing is enjoyable. I'm not that keen on 'It ain't necessarily so' or 'Our love is here to stay' (reminds me of those terrible Rod Stewart standards albums). The Brian 'trademarks' get a little overdone - clarinets etc (which i'm sure weren't used that much in the 'classic' days), but overall it's okay, thankfully light on the hideous twangy 'surf' guitars which are all over some of his other recent solo work.

Favourites include 'Nothing but love' which is ace and very Brian-ish, I could listen to a whole album of this sort of stuff from Brian easily....also like 'S'wonderful', 'The like in I love you' which has a lovely melody, I also really like 'Someone to watch over me' which though is undoubtedly very 'retro' in that 60s way is a great song and works very well. Not too keen on 'I got rhythm' or anything that tries to pretend it's 1964 (this applies to some more of Brians solo stuff - the best retro sound achieved on Brians stuff was during the Paley sessions which have a rawness and live feel which is pretty thrilling).

To my ears, some of the best Brian songs of recent years would include the aforementioned 'Nothing but love' and 'Message Man' from the TLOS sessions, pop-rock songs that seem to pop out of nowhere without getting too bogged down in being referential or profound, anyway I digress....

Overall, an enjoyable album which I would put up with OCA (my favourite Brian album) in the top tier of BW albums and may come back to more often than not.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Getting One's Friends Into The Beach Boys on: August 17, 2010, 04:56:54 AM
I don't really bother trying to get my friends into the Beach Boys anymore, I did try a bit when I first got into them (in the 90s), though I think it may be easier now due to the fact that Brian has had a lot of publicity and exposure during the last decade.
I got into the BBs through the hits then PS (which took a while to grow on me) then something clicked, you have to have some perseverance to get into it though. Most people i've tried to get into them find the music too sappy or light, which in some cases is true, if you start going on about interesting chord changes and melodies etc then it seems to lose most people - unless perhaps they are musicians.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Talk to Brian NOW ON FACEBOOK on: August 15, 2010, 12:52:03 PM
I suddenly had an attack of excitement and left a message saying I enjoyed his singing on the new album. I think all possible questions had been covered elsewhere...
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson sings My Way on: August 07, 2010, 08:15:30 AM
Though I don't think he's always done it his way...
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 02, 2010, 05:17:11 AM
I had a listen to the Weezer track this morning before I went to work so am not that familiar with it yet but could hear the odd bit of phrasing that was similar - but I will have another listen when I get home!
As long as i'm not plagiarising!  Shocked
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: State of the surviving voices on: August 02, 2010, 05:14:00 AM
I think Brian sounds great when he's not forcing the vocals, two good ones which stick into mind are the 1994 Paley version of 'Gettin in over my head' - lovely vocal - in fact 'You're still a mystery' is good too. Another good one is 'Heavenly lovers' well the verse anyway, the chorus is a bit overwrought. I know these songs were done quite a while ago but this was when he was generally shouting a lot vocally.
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 02, 2010, 04:46:14 AM
Thanks very much!  Smiley
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Nooooooooo!!! on: August 01, 2010, 11:58:02 PM
It is not welcome news, but not particularly unsurprising.
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Led Zeppelin question on: August 01, 2010, 09:51:15 AM
Page is a great and inventive guitarist, he has his detractors but I'm a big fan. He cut his teeth playing on lots of pop singles in the 60s so that sort of economy and flair carries over into his stuff in Zeppelin. In the pantheon of great rock guitarists I think he's pretty much near the top with Tony Iommi.
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 01, 2010, 09:33:49 AM
Yes, that's quite a fun one to play - though I was never a Hendrix fan at all. I like the fact that you can set it at a point (without then pressing it up and down) and get interesting tones - I can hear where Page got a lot of his sounds from on the first couple of Zeppelin albums.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 01, 2010, 08:06:53 AM
Thanks Luther! I borrowed my friends wah-wah pedal, always a bit of fun...
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 01, 2010, 07:30:45 AM
Thanks! And oh dear, I don't really know Weezer at all - is it very similar? Which song?!
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / New song 'Doing the 9 to 5' on: August 01, 2010, 04:39:43 AM
Hello
Just to say I have a new song up on my myspace and Facebook pages (better streaming on Facebook), it's called 'Doing the 9 to 5' and is off my new album 'The Secret of no Success' which will be out in Septemeber or October and is a sort of concept album about the world of work!
Anyway, please have a listen if you can, here is the link to my myspace page;

http://www.myspace.com/brigadiermusic

and Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Brigadier/37988901969

Cheers
Matt

 
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unreleased songs on Youtube (Metal Beach etc...) on: July 15, 2010, 08:43:10 AM
There's also a studio version floating around. It ain't good. 

I quite like the studio version of 'I Sleep alone', except I prefer the chorus on the TV show version as it's sung lower which works better, especially for the contrast of the high bit at the end of the chorus.
75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: My debut album, \ on: July 14, 2010, 02:45:33 PM
Blimey, there's a lot of music on this! Only had a cursory listen but very nice sounding, lovely production and a lot of work has been put in. How long did it take you to do in total?
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