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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 09, 2022, 08:57:38 AM
https://twitter.com/emilybrooksnews/status/1476714669293375490?s=21&t=dXN-MiaGjNvZrdHUlP-ZkA

Remember when this Twitter thread went viral?  Look at some of the responses. There is STILL a problem with how the BB are perceived. I know we fans think ďwho cares? Those snooty snobs are the ones missing out.Ē And maybe thatís true to an extent.

But this band DESERVES to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles.  In order to have a chance of that happening while it still matters, you canít really emphasize the Mike Love-styled way theyíve presented themselves in the last several decades (even if fans are now OK with it). Iím sorry fansí feathers got ruffled with how Howie explained it, but he was speaking truth. And it is this fresh mindset that resulted in Feel Flows.  Iíd rather have that the way it is presented than not have it all. To think that some donít want that kind of stuff because of biases or upset feelings kinda makes me sad.

Completely agree

I agree too. It is the truth that since the aftermath of Kokomo, the band name and image changed and became almost a multiple personality situation. And the mass media, marketers, and promoters often want to compartmentalize and homogenize a product in order to sell that product. After Kokomo you had the Beach Boys playing the hits on stage with dancers like a revue versus the image of the band who just saw Pet Sounds reissued on CD and which appealed to a different set of fans with different tastes. The GV box set with the Smile material and deeper cuts further split the image. After Mike got the license and Brian toured on his own, the divide was complete.

As much as it could have turned into one, the C50 tour could easily have become a sappy "Malt Shop Memories" affair, but miraculously it did not, and the music and the guys on stage together transcended all else. That WAS the same group who did Surfin Safari, Wouldn't It Be Nice, Sail On Sailor, and Kokomo on the same stage together for a brief moment in time. Everyone got what they wanted, in terms of the fans the way it seemed. No shmaltz, no cheese, no Malt Shop Memories nostalgia in 2012. And there was even new Beach Boys music to dig.

I'll still say that one of the issues for the brand, and I say that carefully, was how people outside the fan bubble we're in didn't know which Beach Boys they were getting, and a lot of great music had been buried and lost for years as a result.

The Feel Flows set was definitely an attempt to bring attention to that kind of music which had been lost through the years, and try to overcome the multiple personality issue that has been on the band's branding for decades.

I agree, if some don't want that kind of stuff due to biases or upset feelings (or perhaps jealousy), it's pretty sad.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations tracking/ mixing studios? on: July 09, 2022, 08:41:34 AM
I want to flash back to 2011 and take an opinion poll: This was something I noticed on the familiar silent film shot at Western that was in the American Band doc, where Brian and Chuck are working with an 8-track machine in Western 3. Do you think they are mixing Good Vibrations in this clip?

Here's the link to the original thread (fascinating info, thanks especially to Donny L and everyone who contributed back then)

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10570.msg194833.html#msg194833

And here are the screen shots I took and posted showing the tape machine in action:

Speaking of Chuck, here he is taking a drag:


Another shot of him at the tape machine:


Can anyone identify this magazine Carl is holding? I don't recognize the cover:



Here's a neat one: Behind a layer of darkness this shot in the film revealed another man sitting in the control room. Does anyone have a guess as to who this guy could be?



Now we have two mystery men from that film: The guy wearing the white shirt and tie (most likely a studio employee), and this guy sitting behind Brian. And note the fire extinguisher hanging on the wall to the right side of the photo. Smiley

It's all very confusing, indeed! Why would Heider's have 8 modules when as you said, the Dynatrack was 8 tracks grouped as 2-times-4 tracks? Bizarre.

One more piece of evidence, compare this photo dated January 1967 to the film: Same studio control room Western 3, same people Brian, VDP, Chuck, and there is that same tape machine as the film, 8 tracks. You can see more of the rack units behind Brian's hat.



The magazine Carl is reading was identified as a German magazine called "Bravo", the issue dated September 24, 1966 which would place the filming date as Fall '66.

I think they're mixing GV in the film...anyone else 11 years after that find and discussion here agree?
128  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: July 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
Here is an interview with session guitarist JD Simo, who was chosen by producer Dave Cobb to recreate all those amazing guitar parts as originally played by Scotty Moore, Hank Garland, Tommy Tedesco, and James Burton on the original Elvis recordings for the film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNW8fkPyTw

And here's producer Dave Cobb in a print interview about producing the music and recreating the recordings for the film:

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/elvis-music-producer-dave-cobb-recreating-vintage-sounds-for-elvis-1235307939/

Interesting to note that not only did Cobb have to recreate the Elvis recordings, but also the music of the other artists featured in the film. I was very happy to see Chris Isaak involved, I've always been a big fan.




Thanks for those links! Very interesting. And doesn't JD Simo's speaking voice remind you of Carl?
Chris Isaak does a spot on Hank Snow on "A Fool such as I". His voice on "Cotton Candy Land" (which was always a guilty pleasure of mine) I don't like that much, though.
Also that short part "James Burton" got a solo during the build up to "That's allright" (live 1970) I didn't think that was played very well, and it didn't have Burton's sound. But that was just one or two seconds of course.

What do you think of the movie? I was - and still am - very satisfied. Apart from being very entertaining there's also a lot of depth in it which requires reflection.


I have not seen the movie yet! Due to a variety of issues I haven't been to the theater at all in weeks, but I most definitely will see it. I've been taking in all the interviews, features, etc like those you've been posting and I'm anxious to see how it plays out. I think I've seen every Elvis biography/movie that's been made so far, and maybe this isn't a common opinion but I thought the TV series with Michael St. Gerard is my favorite...in large part because it put more well-deserved attention on Scotty and Bill than almost all of the other efforts.

I'm surprised to hear about the Burton part, honestly his tone out of all the guitarists seems to be the most easy to simulate. Just plug a Telecaster into a Fender Twin, on the bridge pickup, and play the sh*t out of those bends haha. So I'll definitely have to check it out.

I found it interesting that both JD Simo and his friend who interviewed him both cited Elvis' "Blue Moon" on Sun as their favorite. It brings me back to Chris Isaak, and many other Elvis inspired crooners like him, and how influential Elvis' style on that particular record really was. It's a Sun side that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle but which is essential listening. My personal Sun favorite might be "I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine".

JD does have a laid-back, soft spoken manner for sure. I enjoyed hearing his rundown of which guitars and amps he used to record the soundtrack. I didn't know he had a podcast/show, so I'll be checking that out soon too!
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 08, 2022, 06:01:29 PM
I also know, based on reading Smiley for over a decade, that there's a lot of inanities involved within BRI and the record business in general. And that some of the most active Smiley posters can recite dozens of Mike Love interviews verbatim, and yet understand very little about the craft of music composition and production. *shrug*

The people I know who have been posting in this thread alone have decades of experience recording, writing, producing, and doing music in general as a profession. Many of the active posters on Smiley in general share similar backgrounds and know what they're talking about having been involved in recording, playing, writing, etc music as well. I think you may mean the other place.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 08, 2022, 05:53:26 PM
The continuing attempts to personally attack and smear Howie and Mark over this release shows the true character of the places (or place) where it's coming from. No matter how much someone dislikes these mixes, to say publicly that a three-time Grammy winning engineer should be fired over mixes "fans" don't like is absolutely one of the most disgusting things I've read in this whole scene. And considering where this kind of pure hatred (or whatever it is) is coming from, and the history of similar comments, I think it says most of what people would need to know about those circles of "fans".

And I agree with Howie and the others who mentioned it, the lack of anyone speaking up in their defense is pretty damn sad. Barely anyone there seems to speak up in their defense. But maybe in some places like that either people are afraid to speak up or not allowed to speak up like that.

Howie and Mark are the heroes here, the people who know understand that.

If people don't like the mixes and it upsets them enough to drive them to personally attack people, join the boycott crew over there.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Leaf to reissue California Myth on: July 08, 2022, 05:41:58 PM
I hope people are enjoying the book. I'm glad that we have a color version of my father's painting in it this time around and I was very happy to contribute the handwritten Smile-era Brian note that I inherited from pop as well.

The original edition was obviously very personally meaningful to me and it's great that it is once again widely available, in addition to being significantly enhanced.

Congratulations to David.

Thank you for your contribution, and yes having the portrait in color is fantastic for fans who haven't seen it in such detail. I'm hoping at some point, in some project to come, that a full set of color photos from LAX, October '66 is also made available to fans. Those airport photos represent to me one of the most creative and exciting times in the entire saga. And your Dad was one of those who showed Brian Wilson support and love for him and his art and creativity when he really needed it, many thanks to him and friends like Michael Vosse for being there and doing what he did with and for Brian.

The book is a must-read. For all those trying to dismiss the book and David himself because they don't like some of the hard truths told in the book, I know fans who read it will make up their own minds and enjoy a fantastic read, despite the naysayers and character assassins currently trying to rewrite history.
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 07, 2022, 07:59:44 AM
Not to mention, itís perfectly OK for a moderator of a BB board to not get called out when he says that he would boycott future product.  

The outrage is only expressed when someone is falsely charged with advocating a boycott of official releases and falsely accused of illegally downloading an official release, but not when others openly say they're boycotting releases and openly celebrating and downloading and even encouraging the uploading of unreleased vault material.

Yeah, that's hypocrisy. Sorry for stating the obvious.

This is where the ugly politics of all this stuff starts infecting the whole thing. It's ok to lie and point fingers and make false accusations if you don't like a person or carry a grudge against them (or want them to disappear, period), but when those pointing the fingers and making the false accusations actually do the same things openly and publicly...that's ok. What a load of crap.
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 07, 2022, 07:42:48 AM
No different than all the unreleased unbooted material you have had in your collection gf. And donít start that high horse crap with me. We traded this stuff back and forth with each other 7-8 years ago. Remember?  ( i still have the emails showing all of this)

So you and others at one point came back to this board to accuse me of piracy or "illegally downloading" tracks, tried to suggest something that I said here was one of the reasons why the FF box was delayed, and continued to lie elsewhere about what actually happened, and I'm the one on the "high horse"?

I just find it ironic that after all the outrage directed at me for listening to one of the copyright extension releases on the official Beach Boys YouTube channel, then paying for it through my Amazon music subscription, that some of those who were "outraged" are now encouraging and going crazy over leaked tracks uploaded unofficially to YouTube, not paying for them, and ripping them for their own collections.

So if you're going to be outraged that I listened to released tracks on the official Beach Boys YouTube channel and accuse me of "illegally downloading" them, which I did not, and all but blame me at one point for scuppering the release of Feel Flows (or was that Manning, I don't recall), then celebrate and encourage the uploading, sharing, and downloading of leaked BRI vault material, that's pure hypocrisy Steve.

I have the emails/messages too. I hope you're still enjoying the 60's KHJ radio station airchecks I sent you, that's some of my favorite audio out of everything I own.
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Interview - Plea to Iconic on: July 07, 2022, 07:11:52 AM
Boss of his own touring band meaning there is nobody else on stage that he has to answer to or compromise with. Meaning, he is not running his tour as a joint operation with Brian Wilson or Joe Thomas or any other corporate/board members.

There is nobody "telling" Mike that the band will just be adding some songs he is skittish about. Mike's own tour operation of course involves other people. But I do not believe he is booking dates he doesn't want to, or playing songs he doesn't want to, or working with band members he doesn't want to, or budgeting for things on tour that he doesn't want to.

There was a spirit of mythbusting going on a few months ago, and one of the bigger myths in the band's universe over the past 30 years or so might be just how much of his career and business dealings Mike himself is responsible for directly, or how much he does in a hands-on capacity, despite the author of his biography/autobiography suggesting Mike is in full control of every aspect of his career. As far as the touring, yes I agree to a point but it's also about Mike being the number one guy on stage carrying the Beach Boys flag representing the brand. I think that aspect of the shows alone is priceless to Mike which is why he has paid millions to hold the name.
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 07, 2022, 07:01:36 AM
I also heard the missing "s" in "wears" on the new GV track, FYI. I don't know how or why that could have happened, but again that's just my take.

After hearing Howie's interview posted above, I also don't understand what all the fuss is about. They're different mixes of classic tracks, at the end of the day. The level of anger directed at the mixes and the people who constructed them and the new set is beyond what I think most of us would have expected. But again it also reminds me of the level of hate directed at Brian's NPP album even before the full album came out. It goes beyond disliking the sound of a song or a song itself when the attacks get personal.

These personal attacks on Howie and Mark Linett seem more political or grudge-fueled than anything that would begin to resemble constructive criticism. It's pathetic to see people calling for their heads literally, unless some of this is about others wanting their jobs or old-fashioned jealousy that someone got a gig which others covet. I don't get it. But it's rotten to the core to see Howie and Mark getting attacked personally...again, consider the sources. And it's also sad to not see more prominent voices not speaking up in defense of these two men who did a hell of a lot of truly great stuff for the fans.

Speaking of, the level of hypocrisy and double-standards is off the charts regarding this recent leak of BRI vault material on YouTube that has been getting pulled down. So it's ok to celebrate and not pay for that, which is leaked "unbooted" vault material, but it's a cardinal sin to listen to BB's tracks streaming on YouTube or Amazon through official channels?

For f**k's sake.



136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Interview - Plea to Iconic on: July 06, 2022, 10:00:02 AM
He's the boss, he makes all the decisions.

Maybe not.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 06, 2022, 09:57:57 AM
Did he say anything that will piss off the other board? 😂

It appears so. Of course I think if Howie said "Hello" it would piss off some of them, unfortunately. Howie is one of the good guys in the whole deal.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some Interesting Finds - Alert Mark and Alan on: July 06, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
Sold for $54.78 US
139  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: July 06, 2022, 09:51:58 AM
Here is an interview with session guitarist JD Simo, who was chosen by producer Dave Cobb to recreate all those amazing guitar parts as originally played by Scotty Moore, Hank Garland, Tommy Tedesco, and James Burton on the original Elvis recordings for the film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNW8fkPyTw

And here's producer Dave Cobb in a print interview about producing the music and recreating the recordings for the film:

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/elvis-music-producer-dave-cobb-recreating-vintage-sounds-for-elvis-1235307939/

Interesting to note that not only did Cobb have to recreate the Elvis recordings, but also the music of the other artists featured in the film. I was very happy to see Chris Isaak involved, I've always been a big fan.

140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some Interesting Finds - Alert Mark and Alan on: July 06, 2022, 09:21:35 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314054956715?hash=item491f2256ab:g:hlAAAOSwcfpivH5-

10 minutes to go on the auction!
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: July 02, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
Howie will be on shortly, just a reminder. And for those who can't listen live, the shows are archived at the links above.
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You and MIU promotion on: June 30, 2022, 09:13:49 AM
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: June 29, 2022, 08:15:17 AM
Mike Satan and Brian Jesus Christ? The usual dramatic exaggeration.
Look, I am a Beach Boys fan since 1963, and hail from a "peripheral" country where I guess I am one of the 2/3 BB fans (not that I know anything about the supposed other 1/2). I could not care less about the ongoing, endless feud between "Brianistas" and "Mike Lovers". Or better, I only care about it because it makes, so often, following BB forums such a difficult and, in the end, unsatisfying experience.
But... I can't ever be neutral between Brian and Mike. I have nothing against Mike, I am a fan of his too (and particularly of his fantastic baritone/bass register)! But early in the '60s I learned that the genius who was writing almost all that sublime music was one Brian Wilson. And that without him, all this great, unique cathedral of music called the Beach Boys would never have happened. And that he accomplished this despite ENORMOUS personal problems.
This is the only reason I am a member of this forum, instead of the "other one". Because, in my humble foreigner's opinion, here people always remember that. In that other place? Sometimes. And I am sure that there I would be totally unwelcome, as a stoopid "Brianista".
But said this, I don't think that Mike is Satan, nor that Brian is Jesus Christ.



One of the worst turns in the overall fan universe was when celebrating Brian Wilson in the terms you listed above was "spun" in some relatively small circles as a slight on Mike Love or even on other band members and almost dismissed as overt fan worship, and even worse, as something that's not true in the history. If people - for whatever reasons they may have - try to diminish the role Brian played in the band's position in popular culture and the creation of the music, there will be a pushback. And rightfully so: People generally have ears of their own and also don't need to be lectured on why that praise of Brian and his role in the band is misplaced or isn't warranted, or that others deserve or are being denied equal credit especially for that initial run of classic music on Capitol in the 60's. Everyone played a part in that music, yes, but there was clearly one guy most responsible for making those records. That's not a slight on anyone else to state that fact, and it's also unnecessary to argue "well, *blank* was a genius too!".
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why are the Beach Boys charting so high at the moment? on: June 29, 2022, 08:04:33 AM
The name of the game today for legacy artists is song placement. If you get a song in a popular movie, TV show, or video game, or even in a TikTok video that goes viral, the numbers are going to soar. All of the examples of BB's music being featured in these various outlets recently (including the PBS Brian Wilson documentary tie-in promotion) seem to be the main catalysts for this current climb in the charts. It's much higher now than what it has been in previous summers when the songs were not featured in other media. And the "charts" are for streaming media and downloads, in terms of numbers that digital format simply dominates the music markets today, like it or not. People hear a song on a favorite show or game, they head right to the streaming services to get it.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncut - the Beach Boys edition on: June 25, 2022, 08:52:43 AM
Anyone know what the "rare" Smile photos are in this issue?
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Howie Edelson Radio Interview on WFMU, Saturday July 2 11am EST on: June 25, 2022, 08:50:40 AM
Howie Edelson will be interviewed on WFMU's Michael Shelley Show, available online at wfmu.org, next Saturday July 2nd at 11am est.

https://wfmu.org/

https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/SH

From Michael's page:

Sat. Jul 2nd, 11am - 1pm: Beach Boys Creative Consultant Howie Edelson
Michael chats with Howie Edelson, creative consultant for The Beach Boys' Brother Records, about the band's 60th anniversary and the newly release 80 song collection "Sounds Of Summer" which includes 24 new mixes, which in some cases feature the latest in controversial digital stereo extraction technology.


For those who can't listen live, all the shows are archived and available at the WFMU site after they air.

Michael Shelley has one of the best radio shows around, between Michael at 11am on WFMU and Ben Vaughn on WXPN at 5pm, Saturday radio (or online) listening is fantastic around here...check it out!
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why are the Beach Boys charting so high at the moment? on: June 20, 2022, 05:07:53 PM
Having the Brent Wilson doc playing on PBS is huge in terms of explaining the Brian Wilson story to the general public. 

I think that is indeed the reason why the resurgence on the charts happened now, absolutely with Pet Sounds as more people saw the doc on PBS and sought out the music, even moreso than the Stranger Things soundtrack. Thank you for that reminder of the recent PBS airings.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 80th Birthday to Brian on: June 20, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Happy 80th Birthday to Brian Wilson, the greatest living American songwriter and composer in popular music! Brian created music which became the soundtrack to so many lives, and music which expressed emotions and feelings in his listeners which they often could not put into words but they knew how and where to find those sounds which spoke them so perfectly. The man who created an entire geographical mythology through passages of music and sound, and the man whose music continues to bring joy to countless millions around the world. The man whose music heals, saves, and enriches those often most in need of such things.

Watch a sunrise while the intro to California Girls or Wouldn't It Be Nice is playing, and watch a sunset while "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" or the coda to "Til I Die" is playing, and the power of that music in the bigger picture of life becomes crystal clear.

Here's to an amazing 80 years, we love you Brian!
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: June 18, 2022, 10:26:07 AM


Or would you rather talk about music? It doesn't seem that way, but I hope that's why people visit these places. Throwing tantrums on 6 year old grudges and outbursts must be more appealing?



if that really is how you feel great. but you really should remove that latin phrase under your avatar post. goes against what you are preaching.

I'm not preaching anything, I'm just saying stop all the lies and tell the truth about what happened if you're going to keep hammering away at events from 2015-16, and if you don't know the truth, then don't say anything. A relatively easy thing to do, telling the truth.

I should change it to "nolite mendacium loqui", I need to make my years of AP Latin studies worthwhile.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Featured Prominently in New Season of \ on: June 18, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
No doubt, I think it's great Kate's music is getting such a boost from the show - well deserved! In 1986-87 I was most familiar with Kate's voice from her work with Peter Gabriel, "Don't Give Up" and "Games Without Frontiers". A friend at the time was a major Gabriel fan and dubbed his music from several albums onto cassette for me, and I loved those two tracks. And I listen regularly to WXPN, who was playing that specific track getting all the attention on a semi-regular basis before the show.

I just think it was a pretty major missed opportunity fro the BB's not to do some tie-ins or cross-promotions especially with new product coming out and a record store day thing happening today, it would have been cool to see even some of the attention Kate's music received or at least give the band even more of a marketing boost since their song was so prominent.

And was it just me or did McGuinn's 12-string Rickenbacker sound even better when it was on the show than I remember?
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