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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: September 18, 2021, 01:03:53 PM
I don't read the EH board unless someone here mentions useful information there, but I'm not ashamed to admit that this album has indeed GOT ME EXCITED.  I may be an outlier in the BB fan universe, but I'm actually more excited about this project than I was about Feel Flows.  I love and appreciate so much of the work from that period, but I didn't get goosebumps from listening to Feel Flows like I did hearing the new GOK piano rendition.  It's so hauntingly beautiful that I can barely believe that it exists.  If any of the other tracks are even close to that, "At My Piano" is going te be a very special treat.  And it's extremely poignant for Brian, after everything he's been through, to be releasing something like this at age 79.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: September 17, 2021, 10:41:25 AM
I, for one, am excited about this album and very much looking forward to buying it.
Do I believe that it's Brian really playing?  Yes, I am willing to believe that.  There's almost certainly quite a bit of overdubbing and splicing various takes, etc., but so what?

Years ago I commented on Brian "fake playing" his keyboard at his shows and wondered aloud if he could still play.  The late great Bob Hanes assured me that Brian plays beautifully when he plays alone and is not under pressure.  Bob had personally witnessed Brian playing many times.

Two years ago, I went to David Leaf's fundraiser at UCLA music school.  They had a piano, and David invited Brian to play Heroes & Villains or Surf's Up, but Brian was reluctant.  He played a few seconds of H&V and then stopped.  And yet a year later, there he is on video at his house banging out GOK or Do it Again very capably. I guess my point is that Bob Hanes was right.  Brian plays very beautifully when he's relaxed.  If it's a pressure situation where he isn't comfortable, then it's not his thing.



3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: September 08, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
A poster over at the EH Board has a source who says Brian’s people weren’t happy with the Covid protocols at the venue. Good.

Ah, interesting.   Thanks for that info.  I had a hunch a few weeks ago that this might be a possibility.  I'm a part-time resident of the area and the perception that I have is that relative nonchalance about covid is the order of the day at those casinos.   I'm not knocking (or defending) them.  It is what it is.

In any case, this cancellation is no huge loss.  I was at what I think might have been Brian's most recent show in that area (summer 2019 at the Fantasy Springs casino in Indio), and the crowd there among the worst I've ever seen in terms of lack of appreciation for the material (e.g., so many people there on comp-ed tickets who seemed to have little to no idea who or what they were listening to; were walking out early; couldn't wait to get back to the casino buffet etc.)
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: September 08, 2021, 12:06:02 PM
Saw on instagram that Brian's show at Morongo (Cabazon Indian casino) that had been set for next week has been cancelled.
 Anyone happen to know why?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2021, 10:17:48 AM
If they attempt a Summer in Paradise box set, all three of Mark, Alan and Howie may need a therapist…

Oh, dear God, no.   Talk about "... leavin' no one safe in their home or their habitat."
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: September 02, 2021, 09:30:19 AM
As a fan who has attended their shows, this is how I see it: Brian Wilson & Al Jardine, with special guest Blondie Chaplin, backed by one of the best bands in the business.

Brian and Al reconnecting at El Camino College in 1961 was ultimately the genesis of the entire Beach Boy thing.  As such, I think it's really great to see the two of them together on stage after all these years.

At the same time, I understand that Al Jardine isn't a name known to the general public in the same way that Brian Wilson is, so it's a marketing decision.  And God bless Al, he's not an egomaniac, so it is what it is.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: September 01, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
If anyone is (or will be) near Nashville on Sept. 30:
https://nashfilmfest.eventive.org/schedule/611adc23244de5008270b3aa
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 30, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
Anybody other than me freakin' lovin' the alt. God Only Knows lyrics?   LOL LOL LOL

"If you should ever leave us, we'd all have to move into Al and Lynda's bus..."
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brilliant Mark Linett and Alan B interview about Feel Flows and future projects on: August 29, 2021, 10:57:34 PM
This is great.  Kudos to Mark and Alan for all their hard work and the tremendous gifts that they have brought to fans.

Very much appreciated the discussion about the material that was lost and recovered, mislabeled, randomly turned up etc.  Very much reminds us that for all we know about the BBs' recorded history, there are still some mysteries-- a fact underappreciated by some fans.  I've had some folks very matter-of-factly tell me that X, Y or Z song or version "doen't exist," "never existed," "was destroyed," "was never recorded," "never had lyrics" etc.   And they might be right.  Or they might be wrong.  The truth is that they don't know.  If X, Y or Z has never surfaced, that's the most we can say, i.e., that  X, Y or Z has never surfaced.  For example, a Surf's Up Part II instrumental track from 1967 has never surfaced.  And that's it.  It has never surfaced.  You can't say with certainty that it "never existed," "was destroyed," "was never recorded," etc. because you just don't know those things and the history of lost material being found means that you really can't know them with any degree of certainty.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you associate Cabin Essence & Surf's Up more with Smile or 20/20 & Surf's Up? on: August 29, 2021, 10:38:58 PM
Cabin - Absolutely associate it with Smile.  I first heard the song as part of the Smile sampler on Disc 2 of the '93 box set.  When I later obtained the Friends/20/20 CD, Cab seems very out of place on that album.

Surf's Up - I associate the '71 album version with the album particularly because Carl's lead on the first section just seems post-Smile in a way that his Cabin lead doesn't.   It's very much the same Carl voice that you hear on Long Promised Road & Feel Flows, so it seems of a piece with the album.  I associate other SU versions with Smile.

11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book on: August 24, 2021, 11:02:28 PM
I too believe Ms. Fromme.  As you say, it makes for a better story for the shower gal to have been her rather than some semi-anonymous Manson girl of whom ML likely doesn't even remember the name.

One time I saw the late great Tom Wolfe on 'Charlie Rose,' and I don't remember if this was his thinking or he was quoting someone else, but Tom said something along the lines that autobiographies were a waste of time, as most of them were revisionist and made the author the hero of every anecdote.  He said that autobiographies typically contain very little in the way of anecdotes that are humiliating to the author while real life is like 90% humiliation.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book on: August 24, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
My focus in reading was really on Terry, and it helped me to understand where he stood in all this. And there still is lots of confusion, and I suppose Terry took the real story to his grave.  Overall though I think Terry was really infatuated with the idea of free access to the girls. The few times Terry spoke of the Family, he went out of his way to say how the girls were beneath his standards, he only dated models etc. Outright deflecting, IMO. These girls, on Charlie's command were up for all sorts of 'activities', that I'm sure Terry wasn't getting from Candace Bergen or whomever. Ruth Ann Moorehouse was young, and attractive, and Terry tried to convince Bergen that they should hire her as a maid at Cielo. Terry was lending Dean Moorehouse his car and credit card, allegedly.  He was just way more involved than he let on.
revolving around Terry.

Yeah, that bit in the book wherein Terry brags about having brought later-gf Michelle Phillips to the DA's office with him and telling them, "This is my girlfriend, do you think I’d want to be with any of these…?"  Terry seems to have considered this argument the ultimate checkmate, but it's pretty lame, IMO.  Denny was certainly a much bigger celebrity than Terry, and *he* clearly didn't think he was too good for those girls.  And, besides, there's no accounting for taste.  I mean, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger.  He was a huge international star and a married man with 4 kids, and he was having sex with his not particularly attractive cleaning lady.  Thus, the "these women are beneath my standards" argument is pretty weak.

You know, in another recent thread about LSD, we had some discussion about how odd it was for someone as seemingly straitlaced as Bruce to have been at what Mike Love described as an acid-soaked orgy at Dennis's house.  Now, AFAIK, there's no particular evidence that Terry was at that party too.  But would it have been so odd if he were?  After all, Bruce and Terry were BFFs.

BTW, here's Mike's description of the party as reported by People magazine:

Love himself met the aspiring rock star Manson – who, along with his “girls,” had moved into Dennis Wilson’s home, where they spent Dennis’ money, took his clothes and ate his food – over dinner at the house with fellow performer Bruce Johnston. After the meal, Manson summoned the men to the den, “where he turned on a strobe light and revealed all of his girls lying there, naked,” Love writes.

“He started passing out LSD tabs and was orchestrating sex partners,” Love writes. “I love the female form, but this was too much.”

Love bowed out to take a shower but found himself suddenly joined by Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, who years later tried to assassinate President Gerald Ford. “Before I could tell her to get lost,” Love writes, “Manson himself arrived.”

“He looked up at me with those dark, beady eyes and said, ‘You can’t do that.’ ”

“Excuse me?” Love replied.

“You can’t leave the group.”

Love made an excuse that he and Johnston needed to return to the studio. “We got the hell out of there,” he writes, “and as we pulled out of the driveway, I thought, Denny, you’ve got a real nut case for a roommate now.”

https://people.com/crime/beach-boys-mike-love-remembers-confrontation-with-charles-manson/
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book on: August 24, 2021, 01:21:35 PM
I remember that, Dennis thought the device could make his car fly over traffic

I dont know how Dennis was at this time but it doesn't jive with the music he was starting to make

I'm not sure we can say that what Dennis was doing musically at the time disproves detachment from reality.  Remember, we're talking about the Wilson brothers.  Brian certainly proved time and time again, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it's possible to do great things musically while, as Jack Rieley once said, "walking on the other side of the street."
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A newbie to the Beach Boys----advice needed on: August 24, 2021, 12:14:22 AM
The Beach Boys by Byron Preiss - this is long out of print, but it is findable.  It's a great study of the music.  This was the only Beach Boys book that my town library had, and I spent a lot of time with it in my newbie days.

Oh, yeah.  I totally second this, and I too poured over every page of my local library's copy.  The Preiss book is actually the first place I saw the Smile Shop cover in full color, as other sources like Leaf's book only had black-and-white photos.  Again, it was a different world before the internet changed everything. 
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book on: August 23, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
To my knowledge neither Gregg nor anyone else has ever claimed that he made musical contributions to Denny's songs, just the lyrics?

So I don't see how musical talent or lack thereof would even enter into it. Denny just had trouble expressing himself in words.

That's certainly a valid point, but this is relevant quote from the book:

Dennis Wilson’s biographer John Stebbins believed Jakobson “testified to protect Wilson from having to do the same.” Wilson gave Jakobson cowriting credits—and therefore a steady stream of royalties—on many of his songs, even though Jakobson “had no idea what he was doing” in the studio, where it seemed he “didn’t know a guitar string from a piano key.”

O'Neill's clear implication here is that Gregg's credits were, at least partially, a quid pro quo for testifying in Denny's place.  I know that John S. is a member of this forum, so maybe he's discussed this issue before, but saying that Jakobson lacked (or lacks) musical talent and implying that his songwriting credits were perhaps undeserved aren't necessarily the same thing.  You can believe that Jakobson was a non-musician but a decent (or at least helpful) lyricist deserving of whatever credits he received.  But I think O'Neill is pretty clearly suggesting something other than that.

BTW, another interesting thing in the book is the suggestion by Terry that Bugliosi didn't want Denny testify because they thought Denny was crazy and detached from reality.  Melcher talks about Denny possessing an "antigravity" device with Terry at least believing that Denny thought it was real.  Of course, Dennis' various issues of recklessness and substance abuse have been well-known, but the idea that he was suffering from delusions or paranoid fantasies is kinda news to me.  If this is  true, one wonders to the extent that Dennis might have been suffering from some of the same mental-health issues that plagued Brian though perhaps was better at concealing it?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book on: August 23, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
On your recommendation, I borrowed the eBook and skimmed the relevant chapters.  Yes, it's very dark stuff indeed, alleging that Dennis and particularly Terry were involved much longer and more deeply with "The Family" than had been previously acknowledged.  The author seems to believe that Vince Bugliosi covered for Terry and minimized his involvement.

Something new-ish with respect to BB history is the author's suggestion that Gregg Jakobson had very limited musical talent and that Denny gave Gregg songwriting credits as a "thank you" for testifying in the Manson trial so Denny didn't have to.  Not sure that I really buy that.  If we were talking just about a few Sunflower-era credits, it might be plausible, but if the Denny-Gregg collaboration was more pretense than reality, why would it have continued into Pacific Ocean Blue 6 or 7 years later?  The Manson thing had surely blown over by that point, so I'm very much inclined to believe that Gregg's songwriting credits were deserved.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A newbie to the Beach Boys----advice needed on: August 21, 2021, 05:19:24 PM
Thirty years ago, when I really started getting into the group, it was a different world.  As it was for many if not most other areas of life, the internet was a total game-changer. As a new fan, you have access exponentially greater amounts of material and information compared to what was available three decades ago.

Nonetheless, the resources that really blew my mind back in the day were David Leaf's book, The Beach Boys and the California Myth (1978), Domenic Priore's book "Look, Listen, Vibrate, Smile" and the Malcolm Leo documentary, "The Beach Boys: An American Band" (1985).
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: August 20, 2021, 09:56:33 AM
New Brent interview up on Brian's website.


"We will have some very exciting news to report soon on all fronts – international and domestic distribution and the soundtrack!"

https://www.brianwilson.com/brent-wilson
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: August 20, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
I reside part-time near Palm Springs, and I've noticed that the Indian casinos around there such as Morongo have been among the most aggressive businesses with respect to re-openings as well as among the most laissez-faire with respect to things like mask and vax requirements.  This isn't a value judgment, just an observation.  If the Sept show at Morongo doesn't happen, my guess would be it's because Brian and Al pull out of it, not because the venue got cold feet.

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 12, 2021, 11:14:21 AM
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that the only Beach Boys album that contains a version of that song is "Songs From Here and Back," a 2006 release that the BBs did through Hallmark.
https://www.amazon.com/Songs-Here-Back-Beach-Boys/dp/B000JR4BWM

There are plenty of renditions on YouTube, though, such as:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3A1B24Qn8

I freakin' love the song, too.  I can't listen to it without finding myself hours later muttering "the spirit the spirit the spirit the spirit the spirit of rock and roll"
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Brian using LSD? Was anybody else in the band? on: August 11, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Speaking of that GV footage, does anyone have any guess why Mike Love liked to wear gloves while recording vocals?   IIRC, that particular affectation was reproduced in the Love & Mercy movie.   Anyone seriously have any idea why a singer recording vocals would utilize gloves suitable for batting or golf?  Calluses from handling microphones and/or headphones?  Was that really a thing?

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Brian using LSD? Was anybody else in the band? on: August 11, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
Lacoste polo shirt and shorts? Bruce didn't start dressing like that until the late '70s. Check out his wardrobe on the 20/20 album cover, or some of the non-suit promo shots from the day...seems he was trying to dress hip, as well.

Bruce was sporting Lacoste polo shirts in 1966.  Review the GV studio footage, 1:20-1:26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVlSVkzbJDA
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Brian using LSD? Was anybody else in the band? on: August 09, 2021, 12:09:53 AM
The jury's still out on the "Our Prayer" session comment.... not only to whom it was directed but also whether it should be taken at face value.    For a long time, I certainly did take it at face value, then someone on here pointed out that Brian's humor is offbeat and that the comment could have been a put-on or sarcasm ... er even a metaphor.  In favor of that hypothesis is the idea that Brian was a taskmaster in the studio and that it might not have been possible to record Our Prayer in such a disciplined manner if they were all tripping on acid.  I don't know, and I'm not sure if we'll ever know.

Al has mentioned Brian proselytizing for LSD during that period, extolling the benefits of the drug and strongly encouraging Al to use it. AFAIK, Al declined.

Mike Love has talked many times about a dinner party (c. 1968-69) at the Dennis' home at which Denny and the Manson family were using LSD.   The way ML tells the story, he and Bruce were invitees at the party but got out of there when things got weird.   I say "got weird," but the story has a certain weirdness from the get-go. Not so much Mike, as he was sort of dressing and acting like a hippie during that 1968-71 period.  But Bruce?  It's just strange imagining him in his Lacoste polo shirt and shorts showing up at Denny's LSD-fueled orgy with Manson's chicks, not to mention the strangeness of Bruce being invited to a soiree like that in the first place.  Strange times.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: July 26, 2021, 08:33:58 PM
If and when a deal is struck, I'd expect to see something on Brent's Instagram page:
https://www.instagram.com/brent310/?hl=en

I certainly wish Brent and his team luck if they're still holding out for the elusive theatrical distribution deal, but I'm not sure how realistic that is in the current residual-pandemic era. Two years ago, you could get a documentary like "Echo in the Canyon" on 150 screens nationwide.  That was a different world.  I'm repeating myself, but at some point if no deal is forthcoming, just get it over with and release the darned thing on HBOMax, Showtime, Netflix, Amazon Prime etc.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' homelessness on: July 25, 2021, 07:53:33 PM
Nearly every page of "WIBN" by "BW" & Todd Gold (& Gene Landy) is filled with falsehoods, fabrications or material plagiarized and rehashed from other articles or books.

I don't own the book, and it's been decades since I skimmed through it, but I often thought that, aside from all the inaccuracies, one of the great ironies of the book is "Brian" trashes Fire/MOLC, the very tune that would earn him his first Grammy 13 or 14 years later.  IIRC, he says something alone the lines that "Fire" is still in the vault somewhere and that he hopes that it stays there, not because he still thinks that it was causing fires in 1966 but simply because it's not very good.  Roll Eyes
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