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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: November 24, 2022, 12:10:43 AM
IIRC, Murry gave Brian the Fender Precision Bass as a Christmas (?) gift in December '61.  That's what he's holding in the '60s photo.  If you look closely below Brian's right wrist, it's pretty obvious that the bass is painted in the 3-color "sunburst" style.   
Is the Fender bass Brian is holding in the '70s photo that exact same unit (i.e., Murry's gift)?  I kinda doubt it.  Someone with a sharper eye than I do can probably tell you why it's not the same.  But if it is the same because, who knows, Brian was still playing Murry's gift for sentimental reasons (?), it's definitely been repainted/refinished and pickguard appears to be a different color.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No earworm in Brian's music? on: November 15, 2022, 10:26:26 AM
I just noticed a strange thing about music composed by Brian, i.e. I never experienced an "earworm" caused by one of his songs. On the contrary, I can use one of his tunes to counter an earworm.
Is it only me?


Yeah, it's definitely only you. LOL.  
I even find myself involuntarily humming sections of such Wilsonian arcana as "Still I Dream of It" and "The Spirit of Rock and Roll."
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian now in the studio on: October 20, 2022, 03:48:15 PM
Wow... really?  I don't have a facebook acct, but that's awesome and wonderful news.   At four score, he's very much alive and has still got the jive...
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Art and Portraits - Generated By AI Algorithms on: October 13, 2022, 11:21:00 PM
I don't understand the underlying mechanism of this particular AI software (e.g., is it generated from textual descriptions of the guys? does it amalgamate images from a database of photos? I'm guessing mainly the latter because "Blondie Chaplin," the one with the most one-of-a-kind name seems to have generated the most true-to-life face). 

A few comments about these "guys"...

Brian... this does sort of resemble how he looked c. 1994-96 in the Don Was era.

Carl... sort of fun-house mirror Carl.

Denny.... sort of looks like '70s Denny was auditioning for a werewolf flick.

Mike ... not even close (except for the cap & shirt) but the alt-universe ML has a kindlier face

Al...  hmmm, almost as if he were the third Carpenter sibling

Dave... not even close.

Bruce.... as a lost cast member of The Lawrence Welk Show.

Blondie... this is pretty close, looks like amalgamation of current-ish face with hair from an earlier era

5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: September 29, 2022, 09:06:09 PM
Wow, everything that one could hope for! One small omission, unless I missed it, the single mix of Cuddle Up, unless it's the listed alternate mix. And of course, there's the songwriting session of Sail On Sailor... Cheesy

Whoa... hypnotize me and make me believe I'm not crazy...   Shocked
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recording For Audrey? on: September 19, 2022, 10:34:07 PM
Such an interesting vintage article from Santa Cruz.  Thanks for posting.

"... and the oldest son, Brian, also writes songs."     Indeed.

"... sensible young men."    Uh huh.   LOL   Well, perhaps Al .... and maybe Carl.

BTW, there's a 1963 photo of Mr. Westley Hopfer on this page...
http://www.sandylydon.com/secret-history-20




7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Revealing Interview on: September 12, 2022, 04:18:13 PM
Now look at Brian Wilson. Brian never, ever says anything bad about his bandmates - even though they've given him many reasons to verbally bash them. Brian never puts down Mike for not being willing to loosen up and enjoy a little toot or smoke once in a while; he never complains about Carl not liking his songs in 1995; he never puts down Al for being short, or Bruce for WEARING shorts. Heck, he's never even complaining about Bruce's obsession with adjusting the mike stand.
Brian's just a great guy; Mike is just the backside of someone's body.

I assume that this is at least partly sarcasm, but there's a kernel of truth... you'd truly be hard-pressed to find any interview 1964 to present in which Brian Wilson bashes anyone or puts down anyone.  Even if he directs criticism toward, say, Murry or Landy, he typically qualifies it by pointing out good things they accomplished (e.g., the former driving the band's early success and the latter getting him off his addictions).  With respect to Mike Love, at various points over the years Brian has indicated that he's "afraid" of Mike or not interested in socializing with him, but that's Brian being honest about his own feelings, not bashing someone else.  One truly insightful moment into Brian's character, I think, is in Larry King's interview some years back.  Melinda starts criticizing Marilyn for hiring Landy, and Brian jumps in to defend Marilyn, saying that she didn't know Landy was crazy etc.  Not too many people in a nationally televised interview would publicly contradict current spouse to defend their ex.  Brian's reputation for decades has been as someone who has a sweet disposition.  Having observed the man in person a number of times over the years, I think that's accurate.  The same was true of Carl.  I can't think of Carl bashing many people either or putting anyone down.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Revealing Interview on: September 09, 2022, 01:20:04 PM
With all that in mind I don't think anyone went overboard in their criticism. Again, if Mike were on some crusade to fight drug abuse, he shouldn't be singing on songs promoting binge drinking (which causes 3 million deaths per year). But that just goes to show how full of it he is: it's not about promoting the evils of substance abuse, it's about getting one more public & useless jab in at Brian.

One of Mike's youngest kids has an instagram page that depicts and/or suggests participation in binge drinking, cigarette smoking, cannabis use etc.    If ML were really all about the perils of substance abuse, he might do well to talk about its *current* relationship to his own immediate family.    But, no, did you know that Cousin Brian snorted heroin in 1974??  Did you know that Cousin Brian did coke back stage at the Circle Star in 1980???

It should be obvious to one and all that ML's commentary about Brian and drugs is about nothing more than taking gratuitous shots at a man for whom he has very deep-seated resentments.  Mike clearly some real, unresolved hangups and grudges that he's been carrying for decades, perhaps even since childhood. It's sad that at 81 he's still far from getting over it.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Revealing Interview on: September 07, 2022, 01:49:32 PM
Reading through the comments, I think it's fair to say that the general reaction is simply disgust at the utter pettiness and mean-spiritedness involved.   For some reason, it caused me to recall this quote from Murry Wilson's infamous "poison pen" letter from 1965:

"I am proud that my son, Dennis, reminded you all in front of Mike that I predicted he was trouble and would be disgracing all of us if he continued to go his way." 

Of course, Murry was no saint himself, and Mike was 24, I believe, when Murry made that statement about him.  And many young men in their 20s are "trouble" and conduct themselves less than honorably.   But what's actually pretty sad about ML is that at 81, he never really grew up.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Revealing Interview on: September 05, 2022, 12:33:29 PM
“He hurt himself so badly with drugs that he’s not capable of doing much. He goes out and sometimes tours, but recently canceled all his future dates. It’s sad, but between the heroin, LSD, and cocaine – they had an effect."

This is Mike Love at his worst...  talking out of his a$$ and taking gratuitous shots at cousin Brian.  I'd honestly be surprised if Brian has used heroin, LSD or cocaine at any time since approx. 1982.  So we're talking about at least 40 years ago.  And in the case of LSD perhaps even longer.  During the last 40 years, Brian has  had some periods of great creativity and productivity that obviously weren't prevented by past use of "heroin, LSD, and cocaine" and Love knows it.  This is just him putting Brian down and nothing more than that.
 
 Brian's mental issues are complex, and there are likely many, many factors at play: Brian's predisposition to anxiety/depression, paranoia-inducing effects of drugs that Love doesn't mention such as hashish, extreme overmedication of prescription anti-psychotic meds by Gene Landy.  Does ML account for any of that?  No, of course not. He simply rattles off the names of some illegal drugs that are socially unacceptable (in most circies) as a putdown.

11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jerry Weiss's retirement from touring with Brian on: September 03, 2022, 07:54:00 AM
It's certainly possible that Jerry's absence didn't help the situation this summer.  But Brian is 80 now, and like the song says, "I know he's had his ups and downs."  As someone who observed him live this summer as well as a couple times in 2019, my hunch is that Brian's late-career touring act likely would have been winding down about now regardless of touring personnel or any other factor.  And that's okay.  The man has certainly given us all enough.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 22, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Fucking vile, on multiple levels. Shouldn’t have even been posted here in the first place.

I'm sorry that you feel that way.  

As I said, I was not and am not interested in a public policy debate as the social, economic and demographic issues surrounding my native state are complex and not on-topic here.

 I will leave it up to the mods here to decide whether to delete the link.  Love it or loathe it, it is relevant content, IMO.  A few-day-old parody version of one of Brian and the BBs' iconic songs has half a million views on YouTube.  That's a story in and of itself. "California Girls" is 57 years old, and it's an iconic anthem that has stood the test of time and is as relevant now, hell perhaps MORE relevant now, to the mass culture than it was in 1965. Wrap your head around that.  Imagine a song from 1908 having that cultural relevance in 1965.  I still have to shake my head at how utterly wrong Murry Wilson was in the '60s when he thought the group's success was a fad and that his sale of Sea of Tunes was a shrewd business move.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 22, 2022, 10:41:45 AM
Why isn't anybody issuing "takedown notices" on THIS stuff? Geez.

Really tough to make a legit copyright claim against a total parody version, cf. Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. in which Roy Orbison's publisher took on 2 Live Crew for their parody of "Pretty Woman."     2 Live Crew's version lifted not only the melody but some of the lyrics from Orbison's original.   Publisher got smacked down 9-0 at the Supreme Court, with court ruling that the principle of obvious parody as "fair use" is essentially inviolate under the first amendment.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 21, 2022, 08:42:32 PM
1994, 1995, still trying to sell this turkey. I never saw them give an album that much of a push before. Why?

The answer to that is actually quite easy.  "SIP" was released on the BRI's own "Brother Entertainment" label.  Navarre was merely a distributor.  BRI had a direct  financial stake in hawking unsold CDs in a way that they never did or have with Capitol, Reprise, CBS, etc.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: April 21, 1963 on: August 21, 2022, 01:03:01 AM
It's interesting to me that a Beach Boys LP cost $2.50 in 1963.  Doesn't sound like much now, but considering what other things cost during the period, well, records were actually pretty damned expensive.  When a typical new car cost around $2,500, an LP was 1/1000th of that.  With new vehicles in 2022 averaging around $40K, 1/1000th would be $40.  No wonder the Boys were buying houses in Beverly Hills at age 23.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / "Calfornia Girls" parody on: August 20, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
A friend who's a fellow Californian, and knows that I'm a BB fan, sent me this funny/sad parody video:

"I Wish We All Could Leave California"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfBvkql0lI

p.s., I don't intend this as a political thread and I'm not interested in a debate on public policy, but I do find it sad that the "California myth" created and celebrated by Brian and the BBs in the '60s has indeed died to some extent. The U-hauls are indeed mainly headed outbound.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \ on: August 15, 2022, 11:13:03 PM
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \ on: August 15, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
The James Murphy book "Becoming the Beach Boys" mentions Brian having an actual office in the 1963-64 period. The office was at 6290 West Sunset Blvd, Hollywood.

The building was called the "Sunset Vine Tower," and was apparently brand-new in 1963 when Brian leased his office.
https://calisphere.org/item/22f29f84a7bf4adfd1877c498c4b67a7/
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Bill Pitman of the Wrecking Crew on: August 14, 2022, 07:33:06 AM
Rolling Stone obit...
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bill-pitman-wrecking-crew-guitarist-dead-obit-1396651/

102 is a hell of an age, but it's sad to see Bill go.  We've all seen the photos of the Smile-era sessions, and it seems like the man was there all the time.   Though I haven't reviewed the session logs extensively, it wouldn't surprise me if Bill was the Smile tracks' most prolific musician, perhaps even more so than Carol Kaye.  Brian absolutely loved the man's musicianship, for good reason.

 I always found it charming that Bill downplayed the importance of his work.  In interview after interview, he always made it clear that it was just a job to him. He didn't think the music he played on was particularly good, but the gig paid well and allowed him to spend time on the golf course during the day as guys like Brian worked at night.  The fact that the music has absolutely stood the test of time indicates that Bill was "wrong" about it, but it's always healthy to have a contrarian around who rejects the dominant narrative.  RIP, Bill.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 90 minute Eugene Landy Interview. on: August 02, 2022, 11:26:31 PM
Fascinating to hear the man talk up his plans for a "Gene Landy Presents Smile" TV special for HBO or similar.   Roll Eyes
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Mo Ostin on: August 02, 2022, 10:02:44 AM
I told this anecdote here 3 years ago, but I'll repeat it.  Around Sept. 2019, David Leaf held a fundraiser at and for UCLA music school where he is or was an adjunct instructor.  Brian was the guest of honor, and a film of the 2004 London Smile debut was screened.  I attended in person, and Leaf held a brief Q & A with Brian at the end of the event.  Leaf mentioned how Mo Ostin was a great benefactor of the school, and that Brian and the Beach Boys had a long association with Ostin.  Brian deadpanned, as only Brian can do, "Is Mo Ostin still alive?"   The audience burst out laughing because it did sound funny the way Brian said it.  Of course, what Brian knew that probably most of the audience didn't know is that Mo Ostin was a very old man.   95 is a heck of an age.  R.I.P., Mo.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Look Listen Vibrate Smile! Track list? on: July 13, 2022, 10:06:50 PM
Seems funny to be talking about Dom's 1995 edition as "the more current one," but that's exactly what it is.

I remember when the "Last Gasp" edition came out, i.e., May 1995, because I spent a weekend reading the damned book cover to cover instead of studying for a big examination.  LOL  
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Interview - Plea to Iconic on: July 08, 2022, 09:07:54 AM
I don't think anyone really thought that a 60th anniversary tour on par with the 50th was in the cards.  Too much bad blood from the 50th.  The guys are 10 years older, 10 years crankier, 10 years less likely to do things they don't want to do.  But it's pretty sad if they do *nothing*.  A one-off show at the Hollywood Bowl or similar would have been nice.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Annie and Justyn Wilson interview on: June 29, 2022, 10:11:57 AM
Really enjoyed this.  Certainly the longest interview with Annie and Justyn I think I've ever seen.  Seem like very nice, down-to-earth people.  For decades, I had heard  that Billy was one of the nicest people -- if not THE nicest -- in the Beach Boys' orbit. The stories in this interview confirm that.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 80th Birthday to Brian on: June 23, 2022, 12:57:25 PM
Apologies to all for first mentioning the VDP comment and derailing the thread.... but since it's too late to undo that, here's the VDP tweet for posterity;;

Quote
Brian Wilson was born June 20, 1942. So I wrote heroes and villains one day.


He followed that with a link to a Google search of the song.

Before his non-participation with the Smile Sessions box, did anyone know he was angry/bitter toward Brian?  I don't remember noticing anything before that.  Hard to believe the box was 11 years ago.  It's a long time to carry a grudge.  Kinda sad. 
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