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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 90 minute Eugene Landy Interview. on: August 02, 2022, 11:26:31 PM
Fascinating to hear the man talk up his plans for a "Gene Landy Presents Smile" TV special for HBO or similar.   Roll Eyes
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Mo Ostin on: August 02, 2022, 10:02:44 AM
I told this anecdote here 3 years ago, but I'll repeat it.  Around Sept. 2019, David Leaf held a fundraiser at and for UCLA music school where he is or was an adjunct instructor.  Brian was the guest of honor, and a film of the 2004 London Smile debut was screened.  I attended in person, and Leaf held a brief Q & A with Brian at the end of the event.  Leaf mentioned how Mo Ostin was a great benefactor of the school, and that Brian and the Beach Boys had a long association with Ostin.  Brian deadpanned, as only Brian can do, "Is Mo Ostin still alive?"   The audience burst out laughing because it did sound funny the way Brian said it.  Of course, what Brian knew that probably most of the audience didn't know is that Mo Ostin was a very old man.   95 is a heck of an age.  R.I.P., Mo.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Look Listen Vibrate Smile! Track list? on: July 13, 2022, 10:06:50 PM
Seems funny to be talking about Dom's 1995 edition as "the more current one," but that's exactly what it is.

I remember when the "Last Gasp" edition came out, i.e., May 1995, because I spent a weekend reading the damned book cover to cover instead of studying for a big examination.  LOL  
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Interview - Plea to Iconic on: July 08, 2022, 09:07:54 AM
I don't think anyone really thought that a 60th anniversary tour on par with the 50th was in the cards.  Too much bad blood from the 50th.  The guys are 10 years older, 10 years crankier, 10 years less likely to do things they don't want to do.  But it's pretty sad if they do *nothing*.  A one-off show at the Hollywood Bowl or similar would have been nice.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Annie and Justyn Wilson interview on: June 29, 2022, 10:11:57 AM
Really enjoyed this.  Certainly the longest interview with Annie and Justyn I think I've ever seen.  Seem like very nice, down-to-earth people.  For decades, I had heard  that Billy was one of the nicest people -- if not THE nicest -- in the Beach Boys' orbit. The stories in this interview confirm that.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 80th Birthday to Brian on: June 23, 2022, 12:57:25 PM
Apologies to all for first mentioning the VDP comment and derailing the thread.... but since it's too late to undo that, here's the VDP tweet for posterity;;

Quote
Brian Wilson was born June 20, 1942. So I wrote heroes and villains one day.


He followed that with a link to a Google search of the song.

Before his non-participation with the Smile Sessions box, did anyone know he was angry/bitter toward Brian?  I don't remember noticing anything before that.  Hard to believe the box was 11 years ago.  It's a long time to carry a grudge.  Kinda sad. 
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 80th Birthday to Brian on: June 20, 2022, 11:32:49 PM

It's utterly fantastic to see so many of the Tony Ashers and Andy Paleys and Danny Huttons et al. of Brian's orbit participate in this.   And to his credit, Mike Love wrote some very nice words on twitter.

And speaking of twitter, very interesting to see Van Dyke Parks mark the occasion by tweeting about how HE wrote Heroes and Villains.  Roll Eyes   VDP is a great talent, and I'm a huge fan of his music and lyrics, but ....  Well, I'll shut up now.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why are the Beach Boys charting so high at the moment? on: June 18, 2022, 09:31:10 PM
The one with Jason Fine.? Just fabulous. Waited years for something like this.

Yes, correct.   I just rewatched on the PBS app, which, by the way, indicates that it's the #4 most watched PBS show of the week after the PBS Newshour, Masterpiece Theatre-Endeavor and Nova.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why are the Beach Boys charting so high at the moment? on: June 18, 2022, 11:41:54 AM
Having the Brent Wilson doc playing on PBS is huge in terms of explaining the Brian Wilson story to the general public. 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: June 15, 2022, 09:22:33 AM
--Love and Mercy was touching with sparse instruments that showcased the band's angelic harmonies. It was the only song I felt Brian made a legit attempt at...

That's interesting.  On Saturday in Concord, I thought his strongest, most enthusiastic vocal was on "Be My Baby."
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: June 13, 2022, 12:54:35 AM
Brian is a legendary giant of popular music in a way that the Chicago guys really aren't, so on one level it seems a little weird, on paper, for him to be the opening act.  Having seen the show, though, it makes total sense.  By playing first, Brian obviously can call it a night much earlier than if he played 2nd.  And let's face it, in 2022, more of the audience is there to see Chicago than  the Brian-Al-Blondie act.  Ultimately, though, ignoring everything else, it makes sense for Chicago to go 2nd just on the basis that their act is much more of an extravaganza than the Brian-Al-Blondie act.  And I mean, MUCH MORE.  They've got video montages and flashing lights and special effects. And it's quite the spectacle.  For the average person in the audience, the Brian-Al-Blondie act would seem like an anticlimax just on the basis of presentation. With respect to Brian's show, I'm very much reminded of Dennis Wilson's famous quote, "The music is the superstar of the group."  And that's still the case. The focus is on doing justice to the songs rather than being showmen.  
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: June 12, 2022, 12:40:43 AM
I was at the Concord Pavilion show last evening (June 11).
I arrived a bit late and certainly missed at least a couple songs.  This is what I heard, from memory, probably slightly out of order....

...
Don't Worry Baby
Wild Honey
Long Promised Road
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Sloop John B
God Only Knows
Darlin (with guest horns from Chicago)
Be My Baby
Heroes & Villains (with cantinq section)
I Can Hear Music
Sail On Sailor
Good Vibrations
Help Me Rhonda
Surfin USA
Love & Mercy


A few comments...  God bless Brian.  Things appear to have gotten a bit more difficult for him than when I last saw him & Al & Blondie live in 2019, and I'd be lying if I said that Brian's vocals are what they were 5 or 10 years ago, but hey the man is a week shy of 80, and he's still out there doing his thing. And as long as he wants to do it, I'm more than happy to support him and his great band.  The crowd was generally more Chicago-oriented than Beach Boys-oriented, but for the most part the crowd was very respectful and warm toward Brian. And it's always nice to be among a few hardcore BB/BW fans here and there in the audience (e.g., to the guy in sitting up front in a Smile shop t-shirt, well-played... ).
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The original sandbox ?? on: June 08, 2022, 11:18:25 PM
The kiddie wallpaper is also interesting... and consistent with the childhood themes that seemed to have Brian's attention in the Pet Sounds/Smile era.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: She & Him (Zooey Deschanel & M. Ward): BW Tribute Tour on: May 18, 2022, 07:32:27 AM
"11 “Do It Again” (Feat. Brian Wilson)"

Whoa. Very cool. 
(Though now I'm disappointed that Brian won't be meandering over to Hollywood to reprise that with them at The Ford in June, as he'll be on his own tour w/ Chicago that day).
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: She & Him (Zooey Deschanel & M. Ward): BW Tribute Tour on: May 17, 2022, 02:22:29 PM
Thanks for reminding me of this!   I'm booked for 6/25 at The Ford in L.A.   Looking forward to the show!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 10, 2022, 04:23:14 PM
Speaking of Gina... has Brian's "Carl & Gina" ditty ever surfaced in any form?   I can't remember if Brian wrote it honor for their 1987 wedding or it predated that, but I've always been curious about the song (as I'm curious about any Brian Wilson song).  Anyone know anything about it?  Lyrics?  Anything beyond the title?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 09, 2022, 10:19:28 AM
Well, you're right, HeyJude.  The internet was a much different thing in the '90s than it is now.   There's way more information now... and there's social media... and info moves much faster.... and photos and videos and articles are easily shared.   So, something like Mike Love's gig at the trophy-hunting convention -- something that might have flown under the radar 25 years ago -- can now generate a protest and thousands of signatures on a petition in the space of 24-48 hours.  So if one of the BBs in 2022 were involved with a John-Roger-type group, would the reaction of BB fandom over that fact be quite different than it was in, say, 1995?   My guess is that it would indeed be different.  You'd have people armed with articles and videos explaining the controversies about the group, and fans denouncing the BB's involvement therein in no uncertain terms, etc.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 09, 2022, 12:45:22 AM

Actually my point there wasn't about my personal feelings about the issue per se, but rather my recollection,  as someone who's been reading online BB info for 30 years, of the general nonchalance of BB fans when the issue came up.  This wasn't something like the Landy issue where many, many fans had very strong feelings that Landy was not a good person and was exploiting and/or mistreating Brian.  I don't remember ever seeing a single post suggesting that Carl was being a exploited by a cult or whatever.  So, again, the question was whether BB fans knew about the "John Roger" thing, and my recollection is that they did but no one seemed to be losing sleep over it.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 08, 2022, 07:10:09 PM
Was Carl's involvement in MSIA common knowledge among fans during his lifetime? Appreciate this new piece of the puzzle, Patsy6.

I don't know what constitutes "common knowledge," but back in the early to mid-90s, I do remember a tiny bit of online chatter about Carl's involvement with the "John Roger" religious group (even that Carl was a sort of minister within the organization).  This chatter was on what constituted the online BB discussion of the era (e.g., Usenet, email lists, compuserve, whatever).  As I recall, the general gist of the chatter was that "John Roger" was a sketchy sort of character who was generating a fair amount of controversy, BUT Carl had the right to whatever religious views he wanted to have, and those view didn't have anything to do with the music or the band (i.e., this wasn't another "Maharishi tour" situation), so who cares?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian's granddaughter sings 'God Only Knows' w/ school choir on: May 07, 2022, 12:38:00 PM
Saw this on instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdNLRmcKudZ/

Lovely rendition...  I hope grandpa sees it...
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Mike & Bruce cameo at Stagecoach on: May 04, 2022, 07:34:55 PM
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/stagecoach-2022-beach-boys-locash.html/
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl's relationship with Brian before his death on: May 03, 2022, 04:02:42 PM
Yes, that's correct.  It's been reported by multiple sources, including Brian himself, that the two brothers watched the 1998 Super Bowl together.  That was approx. 10 days before Carl's death.

It's inaccurate to say they were estranged at the end.  The Landy years were bad, but they had largely reconciled by the mid-90s, and Brian had Carl as his best man at the Melinda wedding in 1995.  Obviously, the years of acrimony took some toll, and it's sad, tragic really, that they weren't as close as they had been up until the early '80s.   We can chalk that up to the price of fame and the difficult rock-star life, but let's face it, even non-famous siblings often grow apart due to geographical distance, their own family priorities, etc.  It is what it is.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer 6LP Announced on: April 28, 2022, 09:28:04 PM
Wondering what the 1993 year listed for those SMiLE tracks means exactly.

Assuming GV 30 Years Box Set mixes?

That's a real head-scratcher.  Why would they use those 1993 mixes?   To my ear, the 2011 Smile Sessions mix of "Wind Chimes" sounds much clearer and crisper.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys in the 1950 US Census on: April 13, 2022, 06:24:20 PM
So what was the deal with "lumbermill saw operator" Earl Finney at "3701 1/2 " 119th Street?   Typically a "1/2" address is associated with some sort of in-law unit, guesthouse, garage apartment with its own entrance, etc.    Did the Wilson house have something like that?

Out in the Wilson yard, Earl Finney's chopping lumber?

Could this have been the area which eventually became the Wilsons' music room maybe after "Uncle Earl" found his own pad? I know I could look up the history but hopefully someone knows. In 1950 at least, I'd imagine that space which became the music room could have been an in-law quarters type of thing but I don't know for sure. I think the music room came a few years after 1950.

And having in-law quarters or converting rooms or garages to such areas was more common than people realize today, during and after the war there was a serious housing shortage and crisis that lasted well after 1945-46. I'm sure you'll find a lot of that in the '50 census overall, depending on the area.

And Murry being a "painter"? That's not even close to being true, maybe a mistake by the census taker.

I like your hypothesis that Uncle Earl's "1/2" was the legendary music room.

I found this excerpt online from appears to be a published interview of Brian from the '80s....


"Q. What part of the house did you write in when you were still at the house? Did you write in your room?

[Brian:] Oh no. There was a music room that was like a garage my dad had converted. There was a hi-fl and a piano and an organ in
there, and so I'd go there every day after school. It's two steps down from the living room. Two little steps down, then you
walk down a little corridor, and there's a whole beautiful piano in there. So I wouk get down there and sit at the piano, and I would go, "Well, this is really going to be great."


Note that Brian say that the music room was "LIKE a garage" not that it was the garage.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys in the 1950 US Census on: April 11, 2022, 10:16:50 PM
So what was the deal with "lumbermill saw operator" Earl Finney at "3701 1/2 " 119th Street?   Typically a "1/2" address is associated with some sort of in-law unit, guesthouse, garage apartment with its own entrance, etc.    Did the Wilson house have something like that?

Out in the Wilson yard, Earl Finney's chopping lumber?
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