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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Video: \ on: May 25, 2021, 02:28:32 PM
 Is that Dennis surfing?
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Still Talking 60th on: January 22, 2021, 07:48:24 AM
FWIW, Al shared the Rolling Stone article on Facebook.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unreleased Stuff on: December 02, 2020, 12:58:36 PM
Almost 15 years. Now that's a thread bump if I ever saw one!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin to be Interviewed on WFMU June 13 on: June 14, 2020, 09:51:35 PM
Question for c-man: do we have a handle on just how much actual involvement Tandyn Almer had with the various songs he's either credited on or has been rumored to be involved with during his interlude with Brian?

The only things I know are that Tandyn wrote the original set of lyrics for "Marcella", which apparently allude more directly to Brian visiting a "masseuse". These were re-written by Jack to make it less obvious what Brian was up to - but apparently some of Tandyn's lyrics remain - which is why on later re-issues of the song, his credit was restored. He also apparently wrote the lyrics to "Beatrice From Baltimore", but those were replaced in whole by Jack's lyrics, turning the song into "Mess Of Help To Stand Alone", hence the removal of Tandyn's credit there, with no later restoration of same. Tandyn's name DOES appear on the AFM contract for both sessions - I haven't heard those session tapes, though, so I can't say if he contributed musically to the tracks, or was present in some other capacity (perhaps he played bass, since I believe he studied that instrument formally?). The official by-line for "Sail On Sailor" credits him with co-writing the music - as Debbie says above, by his own admission, every twelfth note. Smiley

I actually do remember the first lines of "Beatrice from Baltimore" - "She got a hole in her stocking, she does a whole lot of rockin,...little Beatrice from Bsltimore." Most of us know how Brian liked women and stockings, so I'm guessing he inspired this.

missing lines where I put the ... - "She do the shake down a Bumbles, she do the chicano rumble."
Would the line "Beatrice from Baltimore" be sung where the words "mess of help to stand alone" are in the final version?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: May 22, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Those last two days were good for my soul ...
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks announces Orange Crate Art reissue with bonus tracks! on: May 03, 2020, 12:04:39 PM
I agree with you . I do think it kinda goes off the rails after San Francisco but that was more due to the songwriting imho. First half though was great
Hold Back Time is slightly ruined by out of sync vocals; My Jeanine is the only song I don't absolutely love. I don't skip it when I play the album, but it's the only song I don't go back for.
My Jeanine is my favorite on the album ... Smiley
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Confusing question on: April 26, 2020, 12:32:40 AM
Van Dyke Parks didn't write the lyrics, except for the phrase in the chorus. These appear to be everyone's contribtions:

Brian wrote the verse and middle-eight music, Parks wrote the chorus and bridge music, and the chorus words/melody.

Ray Kennedy (and Tandyn Almer, according to Stan Shapiro) wrote the original set of lyrics later used in the KGB version.

Jack Rieley wrote the revised set of lyrics used in the Beach Boys version.

Given Brian's non-involvement in the final track, I wouldn't put it past him to have never actually bothered to ask where those new lyrics came from. Bit weird though.
Which section is which? Would the middle eight be the "Caught like a sewer rat" section, and the bridge be the "Seldom stumbled" et c?
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Thanks.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Confusing question on: April 25, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Van Dyke Parks didn't write the lyrics, except for the phrase in the chorus. These appear to be everyone's contribtions:

Brian wrote the verse and middle-eight music, Parks wrote the chorus and bridge music, and the chorus words/melody.

Ray Kennedy (and Tandyn Almer, according to Stan Shapiro) wrote the original set of lyrics later used in the KGB version.

Jack Rieley wrote the revised set of lyrics used in the Beach Boys version.

Given Brian's non-involvement in the final track, I wouldn't put it past him to have never actually bothered to ask where those new lyrics came from. Bit weird though.
Which section is which? Would the middle eight be the "Caught like a sewer rat" section, and the bridge be the "Seldom stumbled" et c?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Marcella on: April 16, 2020, 03:19:41 AM
Didnít Carl do the vocal arrangements on this?

If so, it's surely the only time Carl did this kind of vocal arrangement - his others are more "conventional", if you will, and not really BW-like.

I feel I Can Hear Music, especially the a capella break, was pretty Brian-like. 
Bruce did the vocal arrangement for ICHM and Mike came up with his bass part. Arranging vocals was never really Carl's area.
But he must have made some arrangements? Trader for example?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys in Full Score: A demo - In the Back of My Mind on: February 13, 2020, 02:55:50 PM
Wow, thank you so much for this! I love it.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 26, 2019, 10:35:21 PM
Thanks Wata!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti? on: December 05, 2019, 11:09:02 PM
Thanks c-man, interesting as always. I'm curious, how does the atmosphere on the more home-spun recordings with the BBs playing the instruments differ from the Pet Sounds/Smile era atmosphere where brian conducted the wrecking crew? Is there tension between band fractions already? Is it laidback and friendly? Strictly professional? Would, for example, Al och Carl be as "picky" as Brian and have them run through 28 tales of, say, Susie Cincinnati?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Talk isolated guitars re-creation on: November 26, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
Indeed. Most chord sites have Darlin' like this:

Code:
        B   E/B
        Oh, Darlin',
          G#m7               C#7
        My darlin' you're so fine

        B/F#     F#      E/G#

But that just didn't sound right to me, and it didn't look like what Carl or Al were playing.

But the last chord, which I think is *the* chord that makes "Darlin'" as a song - sounded wrong. So I tried other stuff. The G# in the bass sounded very strong to me, but the rest wasn't an E. It's a C#m!

So if you play C#m/G#, it sounds much better... and I'm not even 100% about that!

Aha, yes, what you're picking up on there is why we call it music theory--that chord is what it is and it is our problem to try to call it something.  The key things happening in that chord are the bass note, the G#, and the C# that you can hear in both the piano and the backing vocals.  It's part of the classic BW chord pattern (Which, video on later...)   That C# rules out calling it a straightforward E in first inversion, ie with the G# in the bass.  The notes in the chord do correspond to a C# minor seventh chord and certainly we could call it a C#minor chord in second inversion, ie with the G# in the bass.  However, one could also call it an E major sixth chord, ie and E6, again in first inversion.  The main question we seek to answer in calling chords things is: what is this chord doing?  How is it functioning in the music?  In Darlin, I would argue that this chord serves as a sort of deceptive cadence from that nice suspension resolving to what kind of feels like could be nice authentic cadence from the F# to the tonic chord of B--but instead goes to this ambiguous E6/G# deal--which is neat, because, since it's an ambiguous chord functionally, it makes the following chord sequence more surprising to further complicate the elongated cadence, now not resolving to the tonic yet again, but instead ceding to the ii chord for the verses.

Something like that.  In any case, for the chord you described, the notes from the bottom up are G#, B, C#, E, G#
Now this is the kind of posts (and threads) that have had me semi-lurk this board for the last eleven years. Not only are we breaking down songs into their smallest pieces, it's being done one chord at a time. I absolutely love it. Thank you.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's the most number of official BBs on record and on stage? on: November 02, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
In the studio, eight (!) participated in the recording of California Saga: California.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love & Beatles - Spiritual Regeneration --- what is this?? on: August 21, 2019, 12:04:19 PM
Surprisingly legit.

Quote
On 25 February, the Maharishi held a party to celebrate Harrison's 25th birthday. The event included communal chanting,[143] a sitar performance by Harrison,[100] and a firework display.[156][157] The Maharishi gave Harrison an upside-down plastic globe of the world and said: "George, the globe I am giving you symbolizes the world today. I hope you will help us all in the task of putting it right."[158] Harrison turned the globe over and said "I've done it!", and the other students applauded.[159] For Love's birthday, on 15 March, members of the Beatles and Donovan performed "Spiritual Regeneration/Happy Birthday Mike Love", a song based on the Beach Boys' "Fun, Fun, Fun". Lennon presented Love with a round handmade card containing a self-portrait of him naked, and Harrison gave him a painting of Guru Dev.
A self-portrait of himself naked, eh? That's an interesting birthday present.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Salesman 1967: Craig Smith, Mike Nesmith, and Mike Love...and Brian? on: August 19, 2019, 12:24:13 PM
Oh that would be so nice to have. But 31.25 dollars including shipping to my faraway overseas country just isn't affordable for me right now. Although "Country Girl" alone is worth that.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: August 01, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
IIRC, Al's new vocal for Isn't It Time (single version) was recorded in his hotel room in Norway, but I may be wrong.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian as multi-instrumentalist on: July 10, 2019, 05:02:48 AM
Really? Works for me. Try googling Beach Boys Keepin the summer alive album liner notes.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian as multi-instrumentalist on: July 07, 2019, 06:27:49 AM
This site is useful: http://albumlinernotes.com/site/d51d3fe8cbd94fe7a67c66ee4c3ca145/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Falbumlinernotes.com%2FKTSA___Beach_Boys_85.html#2849
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most Self Contained Beach Boys' Albums on: June 02, 2019, 01:52:27 AM
Related to that, when was the last time Carl's guitar was heard on a BB studio recording?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 24, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
Agreed. The Bruce-Al blend was most noticeable, and most pleasant, to me in the verses, of all songs, "Surfin' Safari" during C50. Beach Boys magic, indeed.
Mainly because he makes sure his mic is always placed in the right spot.
LOL
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 24, 2019, 01:03:11 PM
 Agreed. The Bruce-Al blend was most noticeable, and most pleasant, to me in the verses, of all songs, "Surfin' Safari" during C50. Beach Boys magic, indeed.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: General Most Loved BB Book? on: May 11, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
I am partial to The Beach Boys In Concert (Backbeat 2103), I can't explain why Grin
Me too, as I am to every book in which I am thanked in the acknowledgements! (Okay, this is the only one.)
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 24, 2019, 07:14:27 AM
Good observation - however, Mike sang his original bass part in 2012 as well.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: April 01, 2019, 09:33:59 AM
Today's song is The Last Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EKHqpEwqAU
5. One of very few songs in the category Masterpieces that I don't like to listen to due it being loaded with so much emotion. Definitely about Carl and Dennis no matter what Brian might have said in a one syllable answer interview to an interviewer who didn't engage him. Simple but effective lyrics and melody, culminating in the oh so true statement that there's never enough time for the ones that you love, itself only repeated three times though I wish it would've gone on forever.
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