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9876  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Capitol Press Release for "Pet Sounds" 40th Anniversary & "GV" CD Single on: June 15, 2006, 01:30:32 PM
For Immediate Release



“Good Vibrations: 40th Anniversary” CD Single, In Stores June 27, Features Five Versions of the Timeless 1966 Smash Hit and Its Original U.S. B-Side

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary Deluxe CD/DVD Package Includes Mono, Stereo and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound Mixes, Plus Rare & Previously Unreleased Promotional and Documentary Footage; Double Colored Vinyl, Limited and Numbered, Presented in Deluxe Gatefold Sleeve

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary CD/DVD and Double Vinyl In Stores: August 29

“It was Pet Sounds that blew me out of the water… I love the album so much. I’ve just bought my kids each a copy of it for their education in life — I figure no one is educated musically ‘til they’ve heard that album.”
- Paul McCartney

Hollywood, California – June 13, 2006 – The Beach Boys’ seminal 1966 album Pet Sounds and classic #1 hit single “Good Vibrations” both celebrate 40th anniversaries this year. Capitol/EMI Music Catalog Marketing will celebrate the four-decade milestones of one of popular music’s most influential and universally-acclaimed albums and truly iconic singles with commemorative anniversary releases. “Good Vibrations: 40th Anniversary,” a limited-edition CD single, will be released physically and digitally on June 27. Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary will be released on August 29 in two configurations. The deluxe, limited-edition suede-feel CD/DVD digipak features the classic album in Mono, Stereo, Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound and Hi-Res 96kHz/24-bit PCM Stereo mixes, rare and previously unreleased promotional and documentary film footage, and a photo gallery of classic band images from the era. A deluxe, double colored vinyl package, limited to 10,000 numbered copies worldwide, presents Mono and Stereo mixes of Pet Sounds in a gatefold sleeve.

"Pet Sounds is a landmark album. For me to say that I was enthralled would be an understatement. I had never heard such magical sounds, so amazingly recorded. It is a timeless and amazing recording of incredible genius and beauty." – Elton John

Pet Sounds, the Beach Boys’ 12th studio album is universally hailed as one of the most important recordings of all time. Since its original May 16, 1966 release, the studio masterpiece has reigned at the top of countless critic and fan polls, and four decades later, the visionary album maintains its timeless rank as one of popular music’s most-cited influences. More than 100 domestic and international publications and journalists have lauded Pet Sounds as one of the greatest albums ever recorded. In 1995, Pet Sounds topped MOJO magazine’s special issue “The Greatest Albums of All Time” at #1 while in 2003, Rolling Stone magazine listed Pet Sounds at #2 out of the “500 Greatest Albums of All Time.”

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary deluxe, limited-edition suede-feel CD/DVD digipak package includes a CD with mono and stereo mixes of the original album and a bonus mono track, “Hang On To Your Ego” (an early version of the album’s “I Know There’s An Answer”), recorded during the Pet Sounds sessions but not included in the album’s original tracklist. The DVD’s six film and video cuts include a behind-the-scenes documentary, “The Making Of Pet Sounds;” “Pet Stories,” featuring interviews with Brian Wilson, lyricist Tony Asher and members of the original “wrecking crew” Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, Don Randi, Frankie Capp and Tommy Morgan; the never-before-released 1966 promotional color ‘firehouse’ film clip for “Good Vibrations;” original 1966 promotional black & white film clips for “Sloop John B” and Pet Sounds, and an excerpt from the unreleased BBC television documentary, “Rhythm of Life,” in which Sir George Martin joins Brian Wilson in the studio for a discussion of the album’s musical significance. Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary’s DVD also contains a photo gallery set to the classic music of “God Only Knows” and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound and Hi-Res 96 kHz/24-bit PCM Stereo audio mixes of the album plus a Hi-Res 96 kHz/24-bit PCM Mono mix of bonus track “Hang On To Your Ego.”

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary’s commemorative double colored vinyl, limited to 10,000 numbered copies worldwide, is sure to become a highly prized collectible for fans. Presented in a deluxe gatefold sleeve, the album’s mono mix on yellow vinyl is complemented by the stereo mix on green vinyl.

“Good Vibrations,” named the “#1 Greatest Single of All Time” by MOJO magazine and the “#6 Greatest Song of All Time” by Rolling Stone magazine, is a timeless musical treasure. The “Good Vibrations: 40th Anniversary” CD single, presented in a limited edition digipak, features five different versions of the timeless Beach Boys hit, including the original 45 single version, an edit of the song with elements from various sessions, an alternate studio take, an instrumental and a live version from a Honolulu rehearsal in August, 1967 that was originally intended for the lost album Lei’d in Hawaii, as well as the single’s original U.S. B-side, “Let’s Go Away For Awhile.” The single’s original U.S. cover art appears on the front of the CD single, with various international single covers replicated within the package.

* * *

“Good Vibrations - 40th Anniversary” Limited Edition CD Single
1. Good Vibrations (45 version)
2. Good Vibrations (edit culled from various sessions)
3. Good Vibrations (alternate studio take)
4. Good Vibrations (instrumental)
5. Good Vibrations (live Honolulu, HI rehearsal - August 25, 1967)
6. Let's Go Away For Awhile (original “Good Vibrations” single B-side)

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary Limited Edition CD/DVD
Mono Mix Stereo Mix
1. Wouldn't It Be Nice 15. Wouldn't It Be Nice
2. You Still Believe In Me 16. You Still Believe In Me
3. That's Not Me 17. That's Not Me
4. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) 18. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
5. I'm Waiting For The Day 19. I'm Waiting For The Day
6. Let's Go Away For Awhile 20. Let's Go Away For Awhile
7. Sloop John B 21. Sloop John B
8. God Only Knows 22. God Only Knows
9. I Know There's An Answer 23. I Know There's An Answer
10. Here Today 24. Here Today
11. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times 25. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
12. Pet Sounds 26. Pet Sounds
13. Caroline No 27. Caroline No
Bonus Track (Mono)
14. Hang On To Your Ego

1. THE MAKING OF PET SOUNDS (behind-the-scenes documentary featuring interviews with Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Dennis Wilson, Carl Wilson, Bruce Johnston and Tony Asher)
2. PET STORIES (Brian Wilson, Tony Asher, Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, Don Randi, Frankie Capp and Tommy Morgan reflect on the Pet Sounds sessions and songs, the album’s original release and its legacy)
- The Greatest Album Of All Time…
- The Songs
- 'Caroline, No'
- 'Wouldn't It Be Nice'
- 'God Only Knows'
- 'Sloop John B'
- 'I Know There's An Answer'
- 'You Still Believe In Me'
- On All 8 Cylinders…
- The Vocals
- Competition With The Beatles
3. RHYTHM OF LIFE: Sir George Martin & Brian Wilson in the Studio (never-before-released BBC TV documentary excerpt)
4. GOOD VIBRATIONS (unreleased 1966 color ‘firehouse’ promo film)
5. SLOOP JOHN B (1966 black & white promo film)
6. PET SOUNDS (1966 black & white promo film)
7. PHOTO GALLERY (“God Only Knows” audio synched to photo gallery)
* DVD also contains Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound and Hi-Res 96 kHz/24-bit PCM Stereo audio mixes of Pet Sounds + Hi-Res 96 kHz/24-bit PCM Mono audio mix of bonus track “Hang On To Your Ego”

Pet Sounds: 40th Anniversary double colored vinyl (ltd. to 10,000 numbered copies worldwide)
Mono Mix (yellow vinyl) Stereo Mix (green vinyl)
1. Wouldn't It Be Nice 1. Wouldn't It Be Nice
2. You Still Believe In Me 2. You Still Believe In Me
3. That's Not Me 3. That's Not Me
4. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) 4. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
5. I'm Waiting For The Day 5. I'm Waiting For The Day
6. Let's Go Away For Awhile 6. Let's Go Away For Awhile
7. Sloop John B 7. Sloop John B
8. God Only Knows 8. God Only Knows
9. I Know There's An Answer 9. I Know There's An Answer
10. Here Today 10. Here Today
11. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times 11. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
12. Pet Sounds 12. Pet Sounds
13. Caroline No 13. Caroline No
9877  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: alrite, let's just get all this on the table on: June 15, 2006, 01:04:54 PM
The funny thing is that the second two-part Stamos movie seemed to have a lot more effort and money put into it, and in the end it speaks for itself that people are able to debate which of the two TV movies are better (or worse).

The 1990 movie is better in my view because of the pure camp. The fake beards, the fake Dennis song, the unitentionally funny one-liners, the fact that Al barely has any lines.

The 2000 movie started out with the first part being somewhat palatable as a  relatively serious TV movie re-enactment of what really happened. But the second part undid any good the first part did. The "Smile" era was totally screwed up. In one scene, Mike Love's actor has his beard peeling off of his face (which for some reason is just annoying rather than the hilarity of the fake beards in the 1990 movie), and despite having twice as much time to work with, the 2000 movie only covers up to 1974 (or 1976, since they garbled up this whole era). While not musically the most interesting era, some of the most dramatic and interesting moments in the group's history happened between 1976 and the present. At least the 1990 movie attempted to cover up to Dennis' death.

And yes, the 1990 Murry was much better. I don't know if he was anything like the real Murry, but he was the more entertaining Murry in terms of these movies. The scene in the 1990 movie where Brian goes of on Murry and tells him that they rigged fake mixing boards for Murry to fiddle with, that scene is highly entertaining (as largely fiction of course).
9878  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 15, 2006, 12:52:37 PM
It may be that they love each other, but I don't see how this Capitol arranged reunion "shows" they love each other.  They were courteous and friendly, but I don't think any of us has the knowledge of what's going on in their heads and hearts to make the leap that this event either validates or proves anyone's feelings towards each other.  I would agree that it shows they don't hate each other to the point of being unable to interact with one another in a normal, cordial manner.

Bicyclerider, you've done a good job of summing up what I was trying to say. I would actually be so bold as to say that I have no problem assuming that these guys actually do love each other in some way. However, I agree that this reunion doesn't show this one way or the other. Certainly, the pics alone don't show this one way or the other. I've seen people who actually hate each other get along this well in public before. Again, I'm not saying they hate each other. I'm not saying the pics aren't warming. As I said, my own gut feeling is that they love each other. But this is based more on a basic assumption based on their history and family ties, not the reunion pics. I certainly don't take this reunion assemblage as some sort of "a ha!" moment which finally and conclusively proves their real feelings about each other.
9879  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jon's Capitol rooftop photos on: June 14, 2006, 11:40:39 PM
They should've at least had one of Carl's and Dennis's children on hand to accept the award.

I completely agree...I did hear Jonah, Carl's son was there...though I didn't see him. I spent a moment alone viewing Dennis and Carl's Sounds of Summer platinum awards...on the Capitol roof, looking at their names, their awards, knowing they'd never hold them...and the sunshine and L.A. all around...that was kind of sad. But I sent a good vibe out to DW and Carl from myself and from ALL of you who care about them and keep their flame burning. I hope I don't sound like an idiot, but it was kind of a spiritual moment.

Is that Matt Jardine in a few of the photos? I can't tell for sure. I suppose it makes sense if he was there, as he was pretty much a defacto Beach Boy in the later years.

I'm also glad to hear Carl and Dennis get their awards as well. Maybe if "Pacific Ocean Blue" ever gets reissued and deservedly sells a good amount of copies (2 million is unlikely, but it would no doubt sell well for a reissue), Dennis will get his own ceremony.

By the way Jon, do you think there will be any way to hear your interview material from the event? Are you able to post the audio on the web yourself? I would imagine most syndicated radio networks would only air snippets of comments.

I was also wondering, has the David Marks book gone to print yet? Can this reunion get a mention in the book, or is it too late? Might be a great place to get into the event in some detail.
9880  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 14, 2006, 04:06:59 PM
When they are together, in private and certainly in public, as I said in another thread, they rarely have many contentious moments. But I think it's a stretch to assume they all actually get along fine, as if the contention has just been misperception from fans. They may get along fine when they are face to face, but there are still issues between them that they usually air via lawsuits, or interviews, etc.

I don't mean they hate each other, but through the years and to this day there is still some strain. Not so much on a personal level. I think today they are all a bit like John Lennon and Paul McCartney were in John's last years. As long as they didn't talk about the bad times, or the Apple business mess, and just talked about raising kids, baking bread, etc., they got along fine.

But there is surely still some resentment, jealousy, hurt feelings in regards to previous lawsuits and the sordid history of the group, etc.  Some of the guys feel it more than others. Again, I'm not saying their warm meeting yesterday was "fake". We can wait and hear what Jon Stebbins and any others who were there say about what was discussed, but I would imagine the guys got along because they didn't dredge up old painful stuff.

I think this is as warm and conciliatory as they will likely ever get, and the fans are not in the wrong by being warmed a bit by seeing such a meeting. I don't pretend the meeting means a reunion, or even that they don't still have some major issues with each other. But it is warming to see them put that stuff aside and not only do an obligatory photo op, but actually get along on a basic level and maybe even elicit some of the old spark that got them together in the first place.
9881  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin': Brian's involvment on: June 14, 2006, 01:14:25 PM
Brian apparently didn't sing on it, but he's in the video for "Somewhere Near Japan." He also sang on the Spanish verson of "Kokomo" of course.
9882  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 14, 2006, 12:38:57 AM
Another news story with more quotes. I'm not sure how to interpret Mike's response to a question about whether the hatchet had been buried by saying the hatchets are in his back.

The also indicates that the previously heard-of CD "The Warmth of the Sun" is indeed a follow-up to "Sounds of Summer", and that it apparently will be released next spring (no doubt to usher in the summer). Here's the link:

Some interesting excerpts:

"It's always good to do this while we're living," Jardine quipped to reporters before the event, in which band members were presented with framed plaques each containing two platinum vinyl records.

The reunion of the Beach Boys came after decades of animosity between Love and Wilson, who are cousins.

Love sued Wilson in November, saying Wilson "shamelessly misappropriated (Love's) songs, likeness and the Beach Boys trademark, as well as the Smile album itself" when Wilson was promoting 2004's Smile. Love previously sued his cousin in the mid-1990s, seeking more songwriting credit on the band's back catalog.

The two shared a friendly rapport Tuesday, standing side by side and patting each other on the back. In thanking his bandmates, Love lauded "my cousin Brian Wilson, for his incredible abilities that gave us all this amazing life."

When asked if all hatchets have been buried, Love pointed to his back.

"The hatchets are right here," he said with a laugh.

Loved added that between the band members "there's issues that arise, and you resolve them over time."

Of the reunion, he said: "We've been together, just in different configurations and different situations. But this is a great one because everybody's in a celebratory mood, everybody's on their good behavior and everybody's enjoying the fact that our records have been recognized even 40 years after we first put (them) out."
9883  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 11:19:05 PM
Great comments, Jon. Thanks for sharing them. Can we expect a more detailed report soon, or is there much more to tell about the event? Any exchanges directly between Al and Mike? Did you hear anything relating to what Bruce talked about on the BB Britian board about he and Al discussing a reunion, if only in a theoretical sense? Were you able to talk to the other BB's besides David?

I'm glad to see that it appears they all genuinely were getting along. Given their history, I'm sure they never will have a perfect, buddy-buddy relationship. But perhaps they all have finally just run out of steam when it comes to the contention. I don't think we'll see Mike drop his lawsuit tomorrow simply because they all got along. But whatever happens, I'm glad to hear that this was a bit more of a proper reunion-ish gathering than, say, the grammy thing from a few years ago.

Hope to hear more details, Jon, if you have any! Smiley
9884  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 07:10:03 PM
Here is a news story from Yahoo that includes a few quotes. Seems a possible reunion is not neccesarily the most far-fetched thing in the world. It also sounds like the upcoming "Pet Sounds" reissue is going to be some sort of package that includes the CD and DVD-Audio. I certainly hope they either include a lot of substantial "new" material, or they simply stick the CD and DVD-Audio into a box without anything new so recording completists don't have to buy it again. Yeah, right. Smiley

Some excerpts from the story:

The three original band members have not performed together in years. But, asked about the possibility of sharing the stage again, Wilson replied, "There's a chance of that."

Added his cousin, Love, with whom Wilson was often at odds in later years: "We've got tough management."

"I want to thank everybody involved that helped us get that album ... going and going," said Wilson. "And I thank the Beach Boys themselves for being great, great artists to produce. I'd rather produce those guys over any other artists in the whole world."

Johnston, who became part of the group when Wilson quit touring to focus on studio work, paid tribute to Wilson's brothers and fellow founding band members, Dennis, who drowned in 1983, and Carl, who died of cancer in 1998.

"I wish Dennis Wilson and Carl Wilson could be here with us," Johnston said, to which Love added, pointing up at the sky: "They probably are, because this is pretty close."

Organizers said the last time the original Beach Boys appeared together in public was around the time that "Stars and Stripes, Vol. 1," a collection of Beach Boy covers performed by various country music artists, was released in 1996.

Capitol Records, a unit of EMI Music Group, also announced plans for a 40th-anniversary release June 27 of a deluxe CD single of "Good Vibrations," featuring five versions of the band's seminal 1966 hit and its original U.S. B-side.

In late August, Capitol also plans a 40-year commemorative reissue of the band's landmark "Pet Sounds" album in a CD/DVD package that includes mono, stereo and digital Surround Sound mixes of the music, plus previously unreleased promotional and documentary footage.


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9885  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 13, 2006, 06:42:16 PM
Well, the "duophonic" fake stereo mix would be something new, technically when it comes to CD. Perhaps Capitol has been motivated by the Beatles "Capitol Albums" sets, which include some of the fake stereo/duophonic type material. I have to admit I am actually mildly interested in hearing what the "duophonic" version sounded like.

If they are only doing "Pet Sounds" again to push it for a 40th anniversary, then maybe they should just take the current CD and stick it in a new "40th Anniversary Edition" slipcase. That way, recording completists won't have to shell out again for it.
9886  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 04:50:49 PM
We have some details about the GV CD single, but do we have any more info on the 40th anniversary "Pet Sounds" release, or what some recent news stories termed some sort of new compilation album as well as some vinyl reissues?

Will there be any cross-promotion between these upcoming Capitol releases and the material at the website?
9887  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 13, 2006, 04:48:20 PM
I'm interested to see, since Capitol is apparently hyping the GV CD single as well as some sort of additional Pet Sounds reissue, how they could possibly come up with something else for yet another "Pet Sounds" reissue, apart from the possibility of a better generation tape for the mono mix (which could be substantial, or not).

Wasn't there one alternate mix of one track on the 1999/2001 single disc PS CD reissue that hadn't been released before? Can somebody refresh my memory on that? I know the 2001 version had the Mike bridge on WIBN added back in, but wasn't one of the bonus tracks an alternate/new mix?
9888  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 13, 2006, 04:26:21 PM
The "Rarities" version is the first thing I thought of, but I assumed the wording would then be "first time on CD in the US", since of course it was issued on vinyl (and cassette) in the US.

It's very true that this may not be a completely accurate tracklisting, as they often change from what first appears on Amazon.
9889  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 04:21:47 PM
Not to be a downer, but these guys don't neccesarily get along at all. How often to ex band members get together for these sorts of things and actually really make a big negative scene? I remember Jeff Beck did that when the Yardbirds were inducted into the R&R hall of fame. But these pics in and of themselves simply means these guys put on the smiles for the cameras. Mike and Al were together at that grammy luncheon in 2001, but Al indicated afterwards that it wasn't a pleasant experience, at least in terms of being there with Mike.

As others have said, apart from any reunion talk, I hope they can come to some real peace with each other. But the pics without any stories don't mean much. Hopefully Jon Stebbins will have some details about what if anything substantial that was said.
9890  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 13, 2006, 04:15:10 PM
The fact that it states it is unreleased in the US suggests it has been released elsewhere. Can anybody thing of an alternate take that has been released in other countries but not the U.S.?
9891  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 04:12:35 PM
Ya know, those fake-ish gold record award things you see on Ebay aren't usually much to look at, but I wouldn't mind having one of those framed award things on the wall.

Apparently, this was also an opportunity to push the "Good Vibrations" reissue CD single (the tracklisting of which I posted a few minutes ago on another thread), another "Pet Sounds" reissue, and, according to prevoius news stories, there is some sort of other compilation album coming out as well as vinyl reissues or something or other.
9892  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 13, 2006, 04:07:45 PM
According to, this is the tracklisting for the upcoming CD single reissue of "Good Vibrations":

1. Good Vibrations (original 45 RPM single version) 
2. Good Vibrations (various sessions) 
3. Good Vibrations (alternate take, unreleased in the U.S.) 
4. Good Vibrations (instrumental) 
5. Good Vibrations (live concert rehearsal, 8/25/67) 
6. Let's Go Away For Awhile (original B-Side) 
9893  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 03:55:40 PM
More from Yahoo News. A better shot of all five, and one of Brian and Mike.

9894  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 03:45:51 PM
Two more pics from Yahoo News, including one of all five together, and one of Brian and Al.

9895  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 03:41:18 PM
More picks from Yahoo News. No pics yet of all five together.

9896  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 13, 2006, 03:34:43 PM
There are some pics up at Yahoo News from the Capitol thing. Here's the link that will get you the latest pics:

And here's one of the pics:

9897  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS TO REUNITE AT PLATINUM RECORD AWARD CEREMONY? on: June 12, 2006, 03:46:57 PM

Does anyone know if Al, Brian, Bruce, David, and Mike have been in the same room at the same time?

Andy...that's a great question.

The answer is yes...but the period will probably surprise most people. All those guys were together at Brian's house during vocal sessions for "Long Promised Road" in '71. Other than that I think one was usually missing from the puzzle. The other occasion I can think of as a possibility was John Stamos' wedding in '99...I know Brian, Mike, Bruce and Dave were there...not sure about Al. Carrie Marks can answer this question definitively.  Bottom line...its only been a few times if its more than one.

Jon, I'm pretty sure Al was at that Stamos wedding. I recall hearing that he was there. I recall reading some sordid story on the internet, and I have no idea if this part is true, that Mike Love was sitting at Stamos' table while Al was stuck somewhere in the back of the room. I have no idea if it's true or not, and I would imagine even it's true in the slightest, it has probably been exaggerated.  What wouldn't suprise me the slightest is that even if all those guys were at that wedding, they may not have all ever actually stood together or all talked to every other member.

Looking forward to seeing some pics from the Capitol event. Try to take note of how they all interact (which will probably be the only interesting thing to watch apart from what I would imagine would be obligatory speeches about Al's mom loaning them money, Brian liking the Four Freshman, etc.). I'm interested to see how Al and Mike interact, and how close Brian is kept to any of them (perhaps the fact that Brian warmed up to David and Al to some degree at the Hawthorne event will show Brian's handlers that he can handle being in the same room with these guys). I recall seeing pics of the grammy luncheon that Mike, Bruce, Al and some of Dennis' and Carl's family attended, and the group pic had Mike at one end and Al at the other end!

Can somebody get an audio recording or a camcorder or something into this Capitol event? On the one hand, this could be the beginning of some ill-fated "Stars and Stripes Vol. 2" reunion. But on the other hand, this could well be the last time all of these guys are together. Even if they do some sort of reunion thing, I would think it would be questionable as to whether David would be involved, or whether he would want to be involved. Hopefully this won't be like the last time John Lennon and Paul McCartney were photographed together and all we have is a polaroid snap shot of it.

It's so strange that because of the touring group, the BB's often get lumped in with other bands where there's like one guy still even living. Yet, tomorrow there will be FIVE actual official BB's appearing together (with two other short-term members still living out there). It gives me a bit of hope that if they were interested enough, they could actually do a half-way decent reunion thing of some sort.

How often have any of the BB's appeared together in public post-1998, not counting Mike and Bruce (and David into 1999) in the touring band? I can think of the following:

1. Stamos wedding (All five supposedly, and not really a "public" appearance)
2. Grammy luncheon (Mike, Al, Bruce)
3. Grammy ceremony (Mike, Brian, Al, Bruce, not seated together, but all in the same room)
4. Hawthorne Landmark (Brian, Al, David)

Apart from some pics of David seperately with Al or with Brian or with Mike and Bruce taken in the last few years, and of course Mike and Bruce at shows, I'm trying to think of any times other than those listed above that any two BB's have been even photographed together since 1998. I vaguely recall hearing that there was a pic of Brian and Mike from a meeting they had that was published in ESQ, but I could be remembering that incorrectly.
9898  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS TO REUNITE AT PLATINUM RECORD AWARD CEREMONY? on: June 09, 2006, 11:47:08 PM
'The last time ANY surviving Beach Boys would be at the same place at the same time.'

So does this mean Bruce and Mike won't be keeping each other company any more?

or does he mean ALL of the surviving Beach Boys together at the same time? Which would mean the Mike and Bruce show continues.

I was about to point out the same thing. Based on Bruce's comment, we will apparently never see Mike and Bruce appear in public again, let alone play music together. I highly doubt he means this. There are a few possible explanations for Bruce's statement, some more likely than others:

1. He simply meant to say "all" instead of "any". I don't think this is it, though.

2. He is joined at the hip with Mike to the point that he considers he and Mike to be one Beach Boy.

3. He is simply using hyperbole to convey the trouble it takes to get all five of these people together  in one place at the same time, what with such "busy" schedules.

4. The only reason they are all getting together is because this is the easiest way to serve each other with a wide variety of lawsuits, thus they'll all walk away even more disgruntled and will never show up together again.

5. Despite the unclear probability of any Al-Brian live gigs or other joint projects as have been rumored/reported, perhaps Mike and Bruce are becoming a bit nervous that Al and Brian might do somethint together without Mike/Bruce, thus there is an attempt to try to convince fans that any Al-Brian activities have no chance of happening, thus the comment suggesting these guys will never again even be in the same place at the same time. I mean, assuming Bruce is counting he and Mike as a single BB, how would Bruce have any idea when or how any combination of Brian, Al, and David might show up somewhere together?

I think (1) is unlikely. (4) is pretty much a joke (I hope). So I think the reasoning behind Bruce's comment is perhaps mostly (3) with a bit of (2) mixed in and, perhaps, a tiny bit of (5) as well if you're into a bit of conspiracy theory.

Okay, I've confused myself now. I'm of course totally guessing/joking with all of the above. I have no clue about any of this. I thought I read just a day or two ago that David Marks hadn't been invited to this thing. (In which case Capitol inviting him is a good move).
9899  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Alan Boyd Thread on: June 07, 2006, 07:52:03 AM
...still hoping for mp3s, as my crappy computer seems to hate torrents...

I'm still very much hoping for actual CD releases! Some people are still on dial-up which would make even MP3's a hassle to download when we're talking about albums worth of material, let alone lossless formats. Plus, many of those who even have high speed connections would like the CD quality of actual CD's. Plus there's the whole "having the finished product to hold in your hands" thing.

I hope everything made available is made available on CD. If downloads are made available in addition, that would be great for those that are into that. I just hope that there aren't any "download exclusives" or material distributed exclusively on ITunes or anything like that.

In another thread, somebody mentioned this program might be something like a label called "FTD" that issues Elvis material. I don't know much about this Elvis program, but that program appears to consist of actual physical CD releases, which is how I hope the BB material would be done. I realize doing physical CD releases might be cost prohibitive compared to just putting the stuff up for download given the relatively small audience these releases might have. But I'd gladly pay a premium for these CD's. I know one thing: I know many other fans who are on dialup connections and/or aren't technically inclined enough to deal with a download system who would gladly pay a premium price for actual CD releases, but who probably wouldn't bother paying for downloads and instead just let more technically inclined fans get the download files into CD format and get a burned copy.

I've been hearing very definitive yet conflicting comments from fans. Some say these will be CD releases, but even more say it will be download-only. I would imagine the wheels are already in motion on this project and it has already been decided how it will work. But if anybody is listening and can still change anything, please release this BB material on actual CD's! You can even do it on burned CD's like the "Instant Live Recordings" company that follows bands on tour and burns the show to CD and then sells it right after the show. Talk to Al Jardine about "Disc Makers", they are a company that does high quality short runs of real, glass mastered CD's. These days, doing it on CD can't be that cost prohibitive. Okay, enough of my lobbying. Smiley

9900  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's new collaborator on: June 04, 2006, 04:49:28 AM
I'm not neccesarily opposed to Brian working with a collaborator or even another producer to co-produce or produce Brian. I'm not even neccesarily opposed to a collaborator being the majority part of some of those collaborations, as long as the material is good.

Brian clearly has produced hit-and-miss quality material as a solo artist in recent years, "Smile" aside (especially since we're talking about "new" material). After Joe Thomas made "Imagination" cringe-worthy for some fans (a possible example of a collaborator not bettering Brian's music), many fans called for Brian to just record and produce himself, perhaps even just take fairly recent unreleased songs and put them together for a new album. Well, we got exactly that on "Gettin' In Over My Head." While I don't dislike that album nearly as much as, say, Andrew G. Doe has said he does, I think many fans will agree that that album indicates that Brian is both short on new song ideas and unable or unwilling to really craft a high quality album of new songs.

I've always hoped Brian would work with Jeff Lynne again. The one song they did together on the '88 album, "Let It Shine", is one of the best songs on that album. Yes, a potential collaboration with Lynne in terms of songwriting and production would mean we'd be getting more Lynne than Brian in some ways. But again, I don't think it's a bad thing if Brian works with somebody else and lets the other person carry much of the weight, so long as the material and production is good. It doesn't have to sound "Smile-esque" or even overtly "Beach Boys-like." I'd much rather hear something like "Let It Shine" even if it sounds like Brian performing a Jeff Lynne song, than hear something contrived like "South American."

As much as I do like seeing "Produced by Brian Wilson" on Brian's recent and present projects, I don't think it has to be that way. I think perhaps BB/Brian fans are scared off from outside producers controlling things on an album based on some rather iffy results in the past (Steve Levine, Joe Thomas). It's a bad idea to let somebody else run the show instead of Brian, but only if the person running the show isn't producing quality material. I would not be the slightest bit put off by somebody else coming in to produce Brian and perhaps even write or co-write for him, if the material is high quality. Brian's place in history as a producer and songwriter is secure, so I don't see a problem with having a new album with, say some co-writes with Andy Paley, Jeff Lynne, etc. and a "Produced by Jeff Lynne and Brian Wilson" tag.

I'm not suggesting Brian sell out. I don't want to see a "duets" album, nor do I want to see Brian trying to get contemporary (i.e. "Smart Girls"). The material can sound retro, 60's, poppy, whatever, and still have a lot of imput from somebody else.

Maybe if Brian is working with this new guy Pack, the material will be good. If, on the other hand, Pack is simply being brought in to make Brian "contemporary", or if he's being brought in to write "Beach Boys-esque" material, or if he's being brought in simply to slightly re-write lyrics to old unreleased songs (i.e. "She Says That She Needs Me", "You've Touched Me"), then I can't imagine that has a high chance or producing high quality results. But who knows?

Bring on the live and studio outtakes via the new BB website. That's where the high quality material remains in terms of the BB's.
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