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9751  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
Hasn't Brian said it's all new stuff?

I don't believe so.

And this press release flatly states that the DIA re-record is part of the album.

Actually, it doesn't. My bad.

Also of note:

Jon's article about BW working on a new BB album said Brian was working on 6-7 tracks. If true, that means he's writing only about half of the reunion record.

Also, the last BB album produced by BW with an ML credit was Stars and Stripes.

As I said: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

I don't think the article about working on 6-7 songs tells us anything about how much he's going to write on the album. That's what he was working on at the time, but he could write more stuff, or not use those 6-7 songs. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst is indeed appropriate! Smiley
9752  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 10:41:17 AM
Hasn't Brian said it's all new stuff?

I see people are bellyaching already.  Plenty of time to do that...

I’m personally not bellyaching about anything. Brian had said they’re doing new stuff, but I certainly don’t see any reason to rule out the possibility that they might try to include some sort of cover version of something. They’ve done it in the past, both on group and solo albums.

I just hope if they run out of presumably truly “new” material, they mine stuff like “You’re Still a Mystery” before going to remakes of their own stuff.
9753  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 10:31:36 AM
Well as it stands now I'm still more excited about the future archival releases but this is (potentially) good news too! (And certainly historic I reckon, output notwithstanding.) I confess to being a little wary of Mike's executive producer credit but I'm hoping it won't be much else than that... As for the song? Well, pleasant as it is, I'm more curious about their actual original material, shall we say.                     

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind if they put the “Do It Again” remake out as a single just to sort of hype up the reunion. But I’d rather not have any remakes on the actual album. These guys haven’t done a Beach Boys album with Brian since 1985 or 89 (depending on your definition), so they should have enough songs built up to not have to do any covers. I wonder also how Brian-centric the album is going to be. Is it going to be all Brian songs (with some Mike lyrics), or will Al or Bruce actually contribute any writing? Maybe hold back that “Waves of Love” track of Al’s for this Beach Boys album to have Carl on it?

I’ve very cautiously excited about “archival” releases. It sounds like we might get another “hits” compilation, maybe literally a 2-CD set with 50 songs. The boxed set sounds like it could be kind of an updated version of the “Good Vibrations” 1993 boxed set. At least that would allow some “rarities” to sneak in maybe. I would tend to doubt we’ll get “deluxe” reissues of every album, but hopefully we’ll get some good substantial stuff, especially some post-60’s stuff.
9754  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 10:26:50 AM
It’s hard to say how indicative this footage is of who will be on this apparent “new album.” When was this “Do It Again” session? July or so? It could presumably not be the same set of musicians on the new album, and of course, it could be different musicians at different sessions. Brian was apparently cutting backing tracks for the BB album with Joe Thomas in the last few months and using some of Thomas’ session guys. It seemed like the “Do It Again” session just kind of featured elements of their touring bands because they were probably in the midst of touring at that time.  

It will no doubt be interesting to see who makes it onto the album and who is part of the touring band. It’s kind of looking like a hybrid of Mike and Brian’s band. It would be nice to see a few elements from the guys who have been working with Al. Matt Jardine would be my first pick for falsetto parts. It will be interesting to see if Al’s old BB touring band crew like Hinsche, Carter, or Figueroa would fit into any new stuff.
9755  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
Very interesting stuff. Do we know this is actual footage from that actual session? I only ask because I recall that it was specifically mentioned that David Marks was not a part of the “Do It Again” session. But there he is. Did they work in some additional footage of later sessions? Whatever period of time the footage was taken, some of this footage may be partially staged just to get some “at work” footage of the group.

Still very slightly mind blowing to see them together. Let’s really hope the album doesn’t suck. Let’s also hope they play a wide variety of locales around the world that gives the most people a chance to see them, and that tickets aren’t too expensive and are obtainable.

I do think it’s weird but logistically understandable that they are announcing a big reunion several months off, but the Mike/Bruce “Beach Boys” will presumably continue to do their shows in the meantime.
9756  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wow...Mike, Al and Dave Reunion! on: December 16, 2011, 07:05:49 AM
I forget where I read it ,Brian (Landy) Bio maybe, but the BBs in the early 80s were contracted to being 5 members hence when Carl went solo, Brian got the call.

That sort of arrangement may still be required. For many years later they were a 4 piece. That may be one option to consider if you are talking a major tour as suggested by Al. Brian could sit in when he wants to but is not committed to say 100 plus shows.

So perhaps we are looking at Mike, Al, Bruce, David and Brian (select dates). A reasonable line-up that would be of interest to promoters.

Total speculation here btw.

There may have been some sort of arrangement in the past regarding how many “official” members had to be in attendance at a show. But those rules certainly don’t apply anymore if the current touring lineup is any indication. The Beach Boys’ corporation simply licenses the use of the name out to whatever entity they want to, in this case the Mike/Bruce group.

I’d have to think Brian would need to be involved in any “reunion” shows, because he’s the main thing making this a “reunion”, the main thing making this different to promoters than simply the Mike/Bruce band with Al and maybe David added. No offense to Al or David, but the masses going to “Beach Boys” shows often don’t know any of the names, and the media’s angle would have to revolve more around Brian rejoining the band. As I said, no offense to Al or David. If anything, Al is probably the key voice in the whole reunion project, and David would probably be the most prominent member in terms of actual musicianship. Brian and Bruce’s keyboard work would be secondary, and Al is a fine guitarist but usually doesn’t figure prominently into the mix at shows.

The fact that Brian is the big “get’ of the reunion is also, I would guess, maybe a small part of the reason we haven’t seen Brian join in on a few of these semi-reunion appearances (the Reagan thing early this year, the hall of fame thing recently). It seems like they are saving an actual unveiling of the full remaining group appearing in public and actually singing together for some sort of a big event, apparently possibly the grammys.

I’m curious how they are going to handle things if they do an actual full-length tour as opposed to one show or a small group of shows. Wouldn't the Mike/Bruce touring band already have tour bookings for some shows in 2012? Would they cancel some of those shows? Would the Mike/Bruce band do shows intermittently during the “reunion” tour? Would the “reunited” group take those bookings? Wouldn’t a “reunited” group be able to get better/bigger bookings? I’ve long wondered what the “post-reunion” situation would be. That is, assuming they don’t all tour together for the remainder of the Beach Boys’ “career”, do they do a “2012 Reunion Tour”, and then after that just go back to Mike/Bruce? I’d have to think that anything beyond a few “reunion” shows would involve a lot of planning and discussions about what a reunion means for the future of Mike’s own touring operation.
9757  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al...Beach Boys at the Grammys is On! on: December 13, 2011, 10:34:11 AM
He tells Rolling Stone, "I thought the Grammys might make the announcement. I don't know what happened... There will be a surprise at the Grammys. We'll do something really exciting... It's going to be a very big operation."

Here's my bet: They're going to lip-synch the 1981 Beach Boys medley. Grin

Okay, that nearly made me do a spit take! Seriously! Anyone that hasn’t seen their horrendous circa-1981 lip sync performance on the Dick Clark Anniversary Special, it’s one for the ages for sure……..
9758  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 years ago today... on: December 09, 2011, 06:14:53 AM
Remember Lennon.   31 years ago.  I miss him.

Never did much for me once The Beatles were over: like Macca, he was coasting on past glories post-1969. Solo stuff was very patchy.

This is all obviously as subjective as anything can get. In my personal universe where everything is relative (I listen to “15 Big Ones” and enjoy some of the stuff on there, even though I know it’s one of the worst albums by one of the greatest bands ever), it would be hard for me to justify calling both McCartney and Lennon’s post-1969 solo output as “coasting on past glories” if I’m also listening to and enjoying pretty much anything the Beach Boys did in the same time frame. I think “McCartney”, “Ram”, or “Band on the Run” equals or betters “Sunflower”, “Surf’s Up”, or “Holland”, and I think McCartney has turned out more substantial work sporadically in the last 30 years compared to most of the Beach Boys’ group or solo output. Interestingly, I probably liken some of Lennon’s solo stuff to some BB records in that there is some great stuff and some filler I’m not too into.

In any event, if there’s actually anybody out there who is still considering whether to get into solo Beatles stuff, I’d give it a try. For me, saying their post-1969 stuff was coasting on past glories is sort of like saying the same of any post-1966 Beach Boys material. 
9759  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Ten-episodes official web series on the SMiLE Sessions is now on YouTube on: November 11, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
Such a waste limiting this to youtube and facebook..

Should have been on TV or a DVD with the box

I don’t know anything about the innerworkings of how the label budgeted the Smile set and whatnot, but I do know that there’s a point at which a major label is not going to continue to expand a boxed set. In other words, while it seems like they could have gone to 7, 8, or more discs for this set, Capitol may well not be willing to go past five discs. If that were the case, then it would be a question of whether a DVD with a short documentary would be preferable to one of the CD’s in this set.

But in general, I agree, I would love to have this as a full-length documentary on DVD. Something more group-oriented than “Beautiful Dreamer” is still needed documentary-wise.
9760  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Ten-episodes official web series on the SMiLE Sessions is now on YouTube on: November 11, 2011, 09:17:45 AM
I don’t think there’s much ambiguity in what Al is saying in that interview. There is a bit of ambiguity in his initial comment, but then he clarifies that the “idea” was something they sang back in 1961, not the song. So I don’t think anybody is claiming Brian wrote H&V back in 1961, or presented anything as H&V back in 1961. I think Al’s comment is pretty general, simply something along the lines of “we were doing singing like that back in our early days”, and he recognized a connection back to that when they were recording H&V.

Maybe some people want to interpret “idea” as if Brian had written that segment, and then incorporated it years later into H&V. But I take it more as the simple idea that they had already dealt with the concept of singing like that.

Brian and the other guys have re-used songs and melodies so many times, and what Al is talking about here is not even something of that scale.
9761  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian says Beach Boys reunion album sounds \ on: November 11, 2011, 06:32:36 AM
With this recent Joe Thomas talk, I actually took out the “Nashville Sounds” and “Imagination” DVD documentaries and watched them again for the first time in ages. I didn’t have a specific aim, but I wondered if it would help me understand why Brian and/or the group would want to work with this guy again.

I don’t have any definitive answers obviously, but it was interesting to revisit this stuff. I did come away with the same feeling I always had about Joe Thomas, that he seems like a really nice guy and I’m not surprised his personality was/is soothing for Brian to work with, and conducive to wrangling a “reunited” Beach Boys in a non-aggressive, non-domineering way. I think it’s just his music sensibilities that clash with things related to Brian and the BB’s.

The “Nashville Sounds” documentary was, as I said years ago, much more enjoyable than the album itself. It did once again make me sad that *this* was the last thing they worked on as a group with Carl. The material is really cringe-worthy with a few exceptions. I came away kind of wishing or hoping that they would just pull out all of the great BB backing vocals from this album, re-record the backing tracks, and have any of the BB’s add lead vocals. Not as a new album, but at least a better way to salvage their last recorded stuff. What I can’t say for sure is how much Thomas was a part of the embarrassing aspect of “Stars and Stripes.” Obviously, it’s all inherently country-sounding. I guess it’s just even more cloying with the AC/MOR “modern” country sound.

For “Imagination”, again, Joe Thomas seems really kind and nurturing to Brian. But this is where the “sound” becomes more of an issue. It’s never really fully clear how much of the AC sound is due to Thomas versus Brian’s preference. I’d like to be positive about it all and say that, in 2011, maybe Brian wants a more organic, “rock” sound, and we won’t get something that sounds like “Sade.” Maybe Thomas was bringing his own AC style to Brian in 1998 because Brian wanted that. At the same time, we got a re-used Thomas backing track on “Gettin’ in Over My Head”, and a lot of us laughed when we heard it and thought it sounded like Joe Thomas, and then it turned out it literally was an “Imagination” outtake backing track.

At the same time, Thomas has never produced an “original” BB track or album, meaning a non-remake that is not a BW solo track. Maybe Mike’s sensibilities and styles will help dictate that the tracks sound a bit less Kenny G-ish.

Another interesting thing to ponder is, what exactly is Brian cutting right now? Did he write any or all “new” material, or is he re-using more old material? It could well be a mixture of the two. I’m just thinking back to how Thomas helped turn a very 60’s “classic era” sounding song like “Sherry She Needs Me” into a slick mess with “She Says That She Needs Me.”

Does anybody know what the other members of Brian’s band, especially Foskett, have said about Thomas and “Imagination?” I would wonder as well if Foskett could help Brian and help this new project from veering away from something relatively Brian/BB-sounding. Could he tell Brian “Hey Brian, this is starting to sound like elevator music?”

I can only hope that Thomas is on board presently more as a sort of “lead engineer”, handling the overseeing and mechanics of recording more than molding the sound of it. He may well have a personality that fits keeping all the BB’s together. I just hope the music they make is worth keeping them together to finish it.
9762  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian says Beach Boys reunion album sounds \ on: November 09, 2011, 02:25:24 PM
I never would have thought that, in a thread that reveals that Joe Thomas may be producing a long-awaiting BB reunion album, that the point of contention would be the involvement of Jeff Foskett. If he ends up being involved, it’s just going to be one voice. His falsetto is fine. I like Matt Jardine’s fit more, but they can both be there. Al seems to bring Matt along on most projects.

If Brian is going to have the BB’s add vocals, then for all we know Foskett’s vocals right now are just “guide” vocals.

Frankly, I hope “new” material won’t rely heavily on a bunch of “Fun Fun Fun” esque falsetto bits anyway, because that tells me it’s more likely going to be a bit too nostalgic-sounding. Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce can appropriately layer vocals in the studio. But if Matt Jardine or Foskett or somebody else is in there too, that’s fine. Both Matt and Jeff sang on BB and solo studio material in the past.
9763  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian says Beach Boys reunion album sounds \ on: November 09, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
btw "mellow" is exactly what i'd want from an album from these guys at this point.  

I know I’m stating the obvious, but it would depend on what exactly “mellow” is. I agree that something that is sort of laid-back and not frantic-sounding would be just fine. I don’t need them to force out a “rock and roll” sound. I think the fear is that “mellow” means sounding like a Kenny G track but with vocals.

I’m curious how deliberate this move is, both in terms of working with Thomas as well as making Thomas material potential BB material. It just seems odd that after a number of years of recording with some musicians and singers who are big BB fans and who seem to enjoy evoking the sound of “classic period” BB/Brian material, just when Brian is preparing to potentially do an actual BB album, he moves away from that production sound and set of musicians. All guessing at this point, of course. Maybe Brian is using more of his band than just Jeff. I just recall reading a blurb from one of Thomas’ session drummers about working on this material.

As for the talk of Rick Rubin, I can only speak for myself, but my evoking Rubin’s name was not to suggest we should get some sort of acoustic guitar-and-vocal stripped down sound from a BB album. I was speaking more to the idea of a Rubin-type character that is different and new and potentially brining a freshness to an established artist. Judging by what Rubin did on something like the last Dixie Chicks album, he is capable of producing good group vocals and a more full sound, but I’m not really advocating for him to produce.
9764  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian says Beach Boys reunion album sounds \ on: November 08, 2011, 07:24:01 AM
The whole thing sounds a bit vague and wonky at this point, so it’s probably not safe to assume much. I think it might be worth at least pausing on the “David isn’t on it but Jeff is” stuff, because it appears that Mike, Al, and Bruce aren’t on this stuff yet either.

Based on the idea of this supposed “trial” take of “Do It Again” and Brian recording stuff on his own for possible BB usage, it’s interesting to see how they are taking a very measured, non-committal, easing-into-it approach with this. This may well be the best way to tackle such a project, to avoid the possibility that all of these guys clear their schedule for album sessions and a tour only to see it crash and burn. I think there is a built-in “out” on what they’re doing right now. If moods change or other factors change, this could easily turn into a Brian album, or the sessions could go on the shelf without some huge “cancelled reunion” looming over them.

Seems like what Brian is doing on his own might work, or at least is part of what might work. Rather than force these guys to sit down and write together, maybe it’s better to have them all record some stuff on their own, then contribute to each other’s tracks (writing-wise in some cases, and certainly performance-wise), and just do as many tracks as they can, and then mold an album from that. Such an album won’t sound terribly cohesive necessarily, but I’d rather have good songs in a non-cohesive setting than an album like “Imagination” that, if nothing else, certainly sounds like it was all written, produced, and recorded by one team.

The quality of the material is obviously the most important aspect, and there’s no way to know how that might turn out. Brian just kind of casually doing some backing tracks with Joe Thomas and singing with Jeff doesn’t strike me as an indication that they have this amazing reunion-worthy material just waiting for the other BB’s to add vocals to, but maybe it is awesome stuff. Based on a few reports, it sounds like they are using at least some of Thomas’ session players, and that doesn’t bode well in my mind. I think many of us are hoping Thomas’ production style has changed, or at least will be different now for Brian knowing what Brian has done in the intervening years since “Imagination.” But still using the same session guys isn’t a strong indicator that his “sound” or “style” has changed.

The David Marks issue is one that likely will not be solved to many fans’ satisfaction. I’ve said this before, but regardless of the talent the guy has, it’s simply a condition of what has happened that he doesn’t fit snugly into a modern-era Beach Boys project. He never sang substantially with the band, and his guitar playing focuses on a particular era of their career. I think playing guitar on new recordings, and joining a live reunion show/tour would be great. But anything beyond that will not seem like the BB’s to me. Having him sing lead vocals in a BB concert, or having him contribute songs to an album, would just seem out of place. But a “reunion” is symbolic, as many have said, and that certainly means to me that not having him involved at all would lessen the impact of a “reunion.” The fact that the other BB’s have in some way acknowledged David in more recent years is a cool thing,  and that’s a cool aspect of a potential reunion.

As for Carl and Dennis, I don’t think a bit of “Free as a Bird-ish” content on a new album would be a bad thing. Let’s face it, any reunion album is going to seem a bit gimmicky anyway. I just don’t see this getting to a sort of organic, Rick Rubin production-esque, true rebirth of the group. So let’s get them all on there. Finish the BB version of “Soul Searchin’”, and include “You’re Still a Mystery” which at least presumably has Carl in there somewhere. Have Brian finish “Oh Lord” to represent Dennis, or maybe overdub a strong Dennis track (but don’t give us “Wouldn’t It Be Nice to Live Again” presented as a “new album” song; just use that stuff on archival releases).

A lot of interesting possibilities and scenarios could happen here. It’s part of the excitement, right? The whole thing could totally blow up into craziness, or it could even be a good one.
9765  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian says Beach Boys reunion album sounds \ on: November 07, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
Wow. I know some bands/artists pay more attention to fan feedback/perception than others, but I’d love to know who thought Joe Thomas was a good idea to produce anything of Brian’s again, let alone a long-awaited potential Beach Boys reunion album. The only thing I can imagine is that Brian just remembered liking the recording process of “Imagination”, and thought that guy would be good to work with again.

Do any of the Beach Boys remember that “Stars and Stripes” is often cited as one of the worst projects they ever churned out? Granted, a lot of that had to do with the concept of it, separate from Thomas’ production.

“Imagination” was an arguable minor success, but a lot of that had to do with it being Brian’s first true solo album of original material in a decade.

I’m also wondering why, after the last decade or more of Brian and his camp making a strong point of putting “Produced by Brian Wilson” on his releases, are they now going back to having Thomas co-produce? I also wonder if they feel they need a buffer between him and the other band members.

I would definitely agree that they would probably need *somebody* else to be involved with these sessions, somebody outside of the band. But that has way more to do with a sort of “organizational” producer. I think Brian’s engineering team or other engineers can help Brian and the band dial in the “sound” they’re looking for, and the type of material. They need a sort of “executive producer” to mediate things between the band members, and a sort of Nigel Godrich-to-Paul McCartney type to tell them when something sucks. They need a producer that knows “You’re Still a Mystery” and “Soul Searchin’” and “Don’t Fight the Sea” and “Cool Head” are strong or at least solid tracks, and “Saturday Morning in the City” or “Unleash the Love” or “PT Cruiser” should be left on the cutting room floor or left as novelty b-sides. They need a producer that maybe doesn’t have to pull out every Pet Sounds-ish sound under the sun for a new album, but also doesn’t make them sound like a bland adult contemporary thing either.

The only things that I can see at this moment that would make Joe Thomas involvement key are if, #1, his “sound” has changed and sounds more organic and not AC/MOR, etc., and/or if, #2, he truly is the only person that can successfully manage a project involving Brian and the Beach Boys. I’m just not convinced there isn’t somebody else out there that could do this.

As for speculation about David Marks involvement and whatnot, I think it’s too early for that. It sounds like, apart from “Do It Again”, none of the other Beach Boys have been involved in Brian’s recordings thus far. That is troubling as well. Is this just going to sound like “Imagination” stuff with Al, Bruce, and Mike singing along? That could potentially sound good I suppose. But if they’re going to do the “Beach Boys add their vocals to pre-recorded Brian stuff” thing, they should dust off some of the Paley stuff. I’d have to imagine Mike and Al (and possibly Bruce) would contribute some of their own songs. Will they have Thomas produce those? Will they each bring their own pre-recorded songs? Again, even in hodge podge form, it could be good. I’d love to see David Marks involved, lay down a few guitar tracks. But he’s not a part of the vocal blend, and I’d hope for a new Beach Boys album to at least be contemporary-sounding enough that it doesn’t immediately evoke “Surfin’ USA.” An interesting question: Would David Marks want to be involved in he’s expected to sound like the sterile session guitarists on “Imagination?”

I can already envision the promotional push for the new album: “The Beach Boys’ new album, produced by Joe Thomas, recorded at the MIU headquarters in Iowa, with key tracks including “Battle Hymn of the Republic”, “Wrinkles”, and a re-re-recording of “Remember Walking in the Sand." David Marks isn’t involved, but key touring personnel including Scott Totten as well as Joe Thomas late 90’s AC/MOR session stalwarts are involved. John Stamos will also contribute a suite of Dennis Wilson tribute songs, including a cover of the fake Dennis Wilson song from the 1990 "Summer Dreams" movie.”

Seriously, I’m actually way more hopeful that an album project could be at least okayish than my comments above probably indicate. I’m just in awe in that “New Beach Boys Reunion Album to be Produced by Joe Thomas” seems like it would be a practical joke sort of headline.  
9766  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Smile Session Film Footage - Western #3 - Wrecking Crew - IT EXISTS (here) on: November 02, 2011, 06:43:03 AM
More insider information eh?

I just hope the tapes were rolling when the camera's were. What a thing to have an audio-visual record of a classic era BB session.

Given that the vocal sessions footage is evidently silent, I'm guessing the track session stuff is too.

So can you cryptically tell me exactly when the SMiLE DVD is coming out, and what' on it?

Nope, 'cause I have no idea.  Grin

Yes, but if they know the session, they can synch the audio to the track from the multi-tracks, if they exist, hence I just hope the tapes were rolling when the camera's were.

Whatever happens, it's amazing footage I thought I'd never see.

2011 is a landmark year for BB fans.

As I mentioned in the other thread on this footage, I certainly hope we have hours of this footage. But the footage appears to have the look of sort of random, “b-roll”, behind the scenes type footage. The possibility that it may not have any audio would support the theory that it was meant as “background” footage for something else.

Even if there is a fair amount of this footage, the likelihood of it being continuous enough to sync audio (assuming the corresponding audio is available) in any meaningful way may be relatively slim. Even on projects where the aim is to edit the footage into a finished film, such film footage can be choppy. This stuff looks like professionally-shot footage (meaning it’s not some friend shooting 8mm footage), but given that it’s B&W and may well be shot on 16mm, it seems more likely it was meant as background or as part of something else. Maybe a news report on the band, or a Capitol promotional film, or a promotional film for one of their songs (think the “Time to Get Alone” studio footage eventually used for the “I Can Hear Music” promo film, or “Hey Bulldog” Beatles footage used for the “Lady Madonnna” promo film).

If corresponding audio exists for even the most choppy bits of this BB studio footage, I’d still love to see someone sync it up, though! I remember seeing some fan attempts to sync up very short spurts of “Lady Madonna” promo film footage up to “Hey Bulldog”, so anything is possible!
9767  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Where Is The Beef??? on: November 02, 2011, 06:27:24 AM
Not agreeing with any aspect of that review (which, I have to say, amuses me more than angers me in its lack of understanding of the state of the master tapes), but the whole issue of the semantics involved in talking about a “true” stereo mix of GV seem to often lead us to an impasse. I think all of us here are aware that no vocal multitracks exist, and thus a “full” stereo mix cannot be done, meaning spreading the vocals across the stereo signal the way it would be done conventionally.

But the “fan” mixes (I haven’t heard any lately, I remember hearing attempts from several years back) that utilize the stereo backing track overlayed with the mono mix (for vocals) are in fact “stereo” in the most basic sense; they feature different information in the left and right channels. Further, they are not simply “technically” stereo the way “fake” “duophonic” mixes were done where a mono mix was used and simply had the bass and treble boosted or lowered in each channel. There is true, discrete information between the two channels.

Additionally, if an “official” stereo mix was attempted in this way, a bit more actual “mixing’ could be done, as they could at least mix from the instrumental multitrack (as opposed to fan mixes that simply have a two-channel stereo mix of the backing track to worth with).

The success or validity of these semi-stereo mixes is obviously debatable. But I think that if we’re now into territory where we’re flying demo vocals into finished songs, and flying in vocals from one song into another, etc., then doing this sort of semi-stereo mix of GV is not some sort of outlandish, fake way of manufacturing a stereo mix. Granted, flying those “Smile” vocals was not a case of simply trying to achieve as a stereo mix, but simply of trying to get actual vocals onto songs at all. But I think in indicates that there is room to sort of take a best stab at this sort of stuff.

Why they have not yet attempted such a mix of GV “officially” I of course can’t say. My instinct is that GV is obviously a major piece of work, and they perhaps don’t want to sort of do this Frankenstein sort of mixing job on something so important, at least not yet. I don’t know if they are holding out hope that the vocal multitracks will appear. My guess is that if we ever get to the stage where they start issuing new stereo remixes for things like “Smiley Smile” and “Wild Honey”, they may finally just bite the bullet and do a semi-stereo mix of GV.
9768  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CBS Early Show Segment on: November 01, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Regarding the footage in this clip as well as the similar footage in the YouTube “Smile” Capitol videos/EPK’s, I think it’s amazing. I’d love to get the uncut footage. However, I’m wondering how much of this footage there is. It seems like it *could* be a lot of sort of “b-roll” type footage. It may not have sound, and it may just be a jumble of various footage taken on a particular day. It could be five minutes of footage (or hours). Not trying to be negative or assume anything. It just has the look and feel of footage meant to underline a news report or documentary, as opposed to a film crew trying to document a session thoroughly. I’d love a DVD or Blu-ray of it too, but I don’t see a DVD or Blu-ray release of a few minutes of choppy footage without sound as a strong possibility. Again, just guessing. I hope we have a trove of hours of footage. I would also guess that if they had really uncovered a large amount of film footage of GV or Smile Sessions, they would have perhaps justified a DVD as part of the “Smile Sessions” package.
9769  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: October 27, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
Those of you in the US who ordered from Amazon and are getting ship notifications -- what date was your order placed??? Mine was August 26, and it's still an "open order."

In my experience lately ordering release-date shipments on Amazon via two-day, they sometimes don’t ship it out until *very* late. I’ve actually ordered things weeks ahead of time, and Amazon may actually ship it out on Monday via overnight for Tuesday delivery even though I selected two-day shipping. So I wouldn’t worry necessarily if you don’t get a ship notice until Friday or Saturday, or maybe even Sunday or Monday.
9770  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions Price Thread. on: October 26, 2011, 06:26:45 AM
Paying 30 dollars for the 2-CD set to come on Nov.1 and getting the full box set for christmas.

US $30?  You can do better than that.  It's $22.30 on Amazon US and around $19 on Amazon UK.  Even with shipping costs, those prices will be lower than $30.

Best Buy will have it in stores for $24.99 or less.
I got it off amazon for $22.30, the two day shipping required for Nov.1 was $7.98.

You most likely can sign up for the “Amazon Mom” program: , and one of the things you’ll get with this is free two-day shipping for three months. You can read all the details on this page, but you don’t have to literally be a “Mom” to sign up for it. If you sign up for this, you can cancel your old order and re-order it with free two-day shipping. Good luck!
9771  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Now that smile is being released.. on: September 01, 2011, 11:01:21 AM
I think the next big money maker once the Smile Sessions box has run it course must be the long awaited "Summer In Paradise Sessions" boxset. Alan and Mark are getting ready to trawl through the vaults once more in search of sessions and outtakes stemming from this landmark album.

The “SIP” album was apparently a relatively early instance of an album being recorded entirely on computer-based software and hardware. I think the album liner notes list the equipment. It was recorded with ProTools on an Apple Macintosh Quadra or some such thing. In any event, I’ve always wondered if they have any backups or the original hard drives or whatever medium that stuff would been stored on. Either outtakes or even the multi-tracks for the finished songs would presumably have to be culled from those sources. I suppose they may have backed the stuff up on DAT or some other non-computer based media. Anybody familiar with how the material for this album is archived, if it is at all?
9772  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MALE EGO on: August 02, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
My recollection is that the song was not listed on the back cover of US copies when it came out in 2000, and the at least apparent reason was simply that whoever put together the back cover artwork was working off of a vinyl copy of the album to enter the track information, rather than actually listening to the CD, and of course vinyl copies of the album did not include the track (as is evidenced by the vinyl album artwork they used for this CD reissue).
9773  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Warmth of the Sun compilation on: June 16, 2011, 07:50:32 AM
I'm a big fan of stereo remixes when done well, but some of the stereo remixes on this CD are dreadful. WAY too much echo/reverb. I said it a million times back when the CD came out, when I heard "Please Let Me Wonder" on this CD, it sounded like someone had hit the "Opera House" setting on a digital receiver.

The stereo remixes started out pretty nice. The 1996 "Pet Sounds" remix sounded great. The initial 1998 version of the "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" CD had some good stereo remixes. From there, starting with the 2000 reissue of the EH Soundtrack, the stereo remixes have become way too echo-laden. I have some issues with other elements of the stereo remixes in some cases, but the echo/reverb is really distracting.

I really, really, really hope the new "Smile" set doesn't sound this way.
9774  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis - So Sad on: May 27, 2011, 08:01:35 AM
There is certainly plenty of information that tells us Dennis was in a bad place in these later years in particular. But I don’t think much can be read into that particular photo. Maybe he was just thinking about what he wanted to eat for lunch. I’ve seen photos of people looking bored or spacing out, and I don’t immediately just interpret that photo based on all the other ills of their life. I’ve seen photos and footage of Dennis looking worse than that. I can’t just say “oh, he looks okay.” But to me, that photo isn’t one of those shocker photos spelling the end.
9775  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How to destroy a classic. on: May 27, 2011, 07:50:05 AM
The reason I despise Stamos has nothing to do with his wanting to be Dennis Wilson so much it hurts (although I'll grant, it doesn't do him any favours: Dennis has been dead for over 27 years and he's still cooler than he'll ever be), and everything to do with An American Family.

I’m the last person in the world to ever be a Stamos apologist. (I actually think some of his musical “contributions”, certainly in live shows, are as objectionable as “An American Family”). But I do recall an interview several years back where Stamos seemed to at least passively acknowledge that “An American Family” was a disaster. I can’t find the interview online, but I recall that several years after the movie aired, it was brought up in an interview and Stamos made some sort of comment that seemed to indicate he knew it was not a masterpiece.

Again, none of that excuses the movie. But I at least came away knowing that he knew the movie was not as awesome as he or anybody hoped it would be. Not much consolation, but at least he’s not actively singing the praises of the movie or feeling like it was unappreciated.

At least the 2000 movie joined the 1990 movie in a group of movies worth enjoying for the comedy of errors. My favorite is the scene where Mike Love’s beard is peeling off. I still don’t understand how they couldn’t have re-shot that.
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