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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 17, 2022, 06:37:25 AM
To this day, I never understood what Carl's problem was...

I don't think we have anywhere near a full picture of Carl's opinion of the material. I don't believe he necessarily had a strong dislike for all of the material. All we really have is a bit of sketchy info that he didn't like the Don Was-produced backing track for "Soul Searchin'" (which we've never heard).

I think this mid-90s period with the Beach Boys and Brian (both separately and together) is still somewhat sketchy. I think there were still lingering issues with Brian's Landy period (and the fallout from his "autobiography"), and I think interpersonal issues and band politics sort of indirectly and directly impacted working the Paley sessions more than it was like an outright rejection of the actual songs/material.

In 1995, Brian hadn't been front and center leading a BB project in years, and was just in the process of doing the "Orange Crate Art" album (which he didn't write or produce) and the IJWMFTT film and soundtrack (which Brian didn't really produce on his own and had no original songs), so in the eyes of the band it was unclear if he could lead a project, and also whether they *wanted* that, whether they wanted to do another deal where Brian and an outside co-writer bring in all or most of the songs, and the guys just add vocals.

Recall as well that this was around the time (within a year or so) when the idea was thrown around to do a "Pet Sounds" tour with Brian and the band, and Carl supposedly didn't think Brian would be able to do it. Whether he was right or wrong at the time, or whether he was justified to feel that way or not, that speaks to how he and the band to some degree felt about having Brian as a heavy participant if not a leader on a project. I think they just felt unsure from a logistical point of view, and also the usual band politics colored things.

Mike and Brian's interactions at the "Soul Searchin'"/"You're Still a Mystery" vocal sessions speak to a weird antagonism that was still present. The band certainly was not just tripping over themselves running to Brian to service an album's worth of Brian/Andy songs.

That's not to say the material itself was not also a potential concern for some of them. Remember they were still doing stuff like the "Summer in Paradise" album, and you can see the material Carl worked on outside of the band at this time (the "Beckley/Lamm/Wilson" stuff) was very different. So I don't think some of the guys saw the value in doing an album of those Paley tracks that would have appealed more to critics and the nerd/indie contingent of Brian/BB fans that was growing in numbers at the time. This was the era of rather stale live setlists and not much studio activity. I think they were a bit on autopilot.

What did they end up working on? "Stars and Stripes", a project where an outsider (Joe Thomas not coincidentally) kind of pushed the project forward as the main producer (and I'd guess Thomas had his label involved, so he was probably putting money up front for the project too?). This all circles back to previous conversations about what it takes to get Brian or BB projects out the door for better or worse. Joe Thomas put up money and was willing to run these projects, and they got done. I don't think Andy Paley (or apparently even Don Was, a somewhat more Thomas-like figure just from a logistical point of view) were able to just put up a full album concept and the money, while also seeming to appeal to all members and not seem like an interloper. Joe Thomas wasn't going to get any songwriting credits or royalties on "Stars and Stripes"; Andy Paley was going to theoretically be a co-writer on *all* of the "Paley Sessions" songs.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2022-2023 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2018-2021) on: August 16, 2022, 01:52:45 PM
Added another new date for 12/11 in Florida.
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 16, 2022, 09:34:02 AM
For the record have either of these albums ever received any kind of remastering since their original release?  Other than the song "Kokomo" of course?

"Summer in Paradise" was revamped for UK release in 1993, with several tracks being remixed/re-edited.

Otherwise, I don't think they've been remastered. But remastering won't help much. All of SIP and much of "Still Cruisin'" have that very thin, drum-sample heavy Terry Melcher production sound.

As I mentioned in another post, Howie Edelson mentioned in a recent interview talking to Alan Boyd about trying to remix something like "Rock and Roll to the Rescue" to try to liberate it from so much of that heavy, processed 80s sound (my words), but he mentioned that Boyd said in some cases there's not a lot that even a remix would solve.

I sense this is the case for most of "Still Cruisin'" and especially SIP. They'd really need to kind of have a partial re-recording treatment done, sort of like Al did with "Loop de Loop" or Jeff Lynne did with some ELO bonus tracks over the last couple decades. And really, considering they can't be bothered to even keep the two albums in print, I can't fathom putting the time, effort, and funds into remixing, let alone partially re-recording this stuff, all to make it sound like 10% better if they're lucky.

As to the previous stuff regarding advocating for these albums, yes, I think few are against putting these things up quietly on streaming services. I think my points were more that advocating for these albums seems to imply a wider net needs to be cast to get people to listen to this stuff, and that's just kind of weird to me, or perhaps just connotes a weird priority from a fan perspective. I'm not for censoring anything. But I think there is kind of a procedural aspect to getting "new" stuff to "new" fans, and SIP is like the *absolute* bottom of that barrel. Especially considering it is *very easy* to procure and listen to "Still Cruisin'" and "Summer in Paradise."

I don't lose sleep over a true fan having to put in a little extra effort if they really want to listen to "Summer in Paradise." Both of the albums are easy to download, and if that's not one's proclivity, actual used CD copies are not that difficult to track down. I also don't lose sleep over someone that is *that* desperate to hear SIP having to pay $30 or $40 for a used copy (though the eBay prices seem to be all over the place, as low as $15 to $20).
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 12, 2022, 11:54:42 AM
The Richie Sambora cover at that tribute show was funny, because I don't think there's much of any chance he just happened upon that song. I would imagine he or somebody noticed "oh hey, Clapton played a bunch of guitar on one recent Brian track, so that's probably in my wheelhouse."

Those tribute shows are almost always awful, and the second one can sniff out that the performer had never heard of the song prior to learning it for the show, it's even less interesting. Unless they really happen to stumble across a *great* random case of a performer really nailing the song. Which rarely happens.

I give maybe the Nate Ruess take on "Hold on Dear Brother" a pass, both because it wasn't really a "tribute" show, and hearing Brian's band nail that song was worth it. And even if Ruess found the song just for the show, it's at least an inspired choice. (Though one wonders if someone else threw the song at him for consideration).

Having Richie Sambora solo on a tribute show was already a B-list move.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Interview - Plea to Iconic on: August 12, 2022, 11:51:58 AM

As far as the touring, yes I agree to a point but it's also about Mike being the number one guy on stage carrying the Beach Boys flag representing the brand. I think that aspect of the shows alone is priceless to Mike which is why he has paid millions to hold the name.


Yes, Mike loves to be on stage touring as The Beach Boys, but it's also important to note that Mike has made far more by holding the license to The Beach Boys name for touring purposes than he has paid to BRI for said license.



Is this true?

I thought Mike "won" the right to use the name but no matter what, Brian, Al, Mike, and Carl's estate all received an equal slice of the revenue?

The shareholders don't get an equal slice of Mike's tour revenue.

They get an equal cut of the licensing fee that Mike pays to use the "Beach Boys" name. That licensing fee is a (relatively) small percentage of his revenue.

Mike's book stated in 2017 that he had paid BRI out $20 million in licensing fees over the previous 20 years. So, very roughly, each of the four shareholders have split what averages out to $1 million per year.

So yeah, $250,000 per year to do nothing is amazing to most regular folk. But it's small fee to pay out to use such a strong trademark.

And, I suppose since BRI sold a majority stake to Iconic, that licensing fee would be split between Iconic and the shareholders, and then the shareholders split that remaining bit.

So yeah, these guys (and estate) are making plenty of money. They all got surely millions each for selling a majority stake to Iconic, and they could all theoretically still be pulling in over $100K per year in tour license revenue, on top of publishing and record royalties (although some of them are apparently selling stake in some of those things as well).

To the original question, yes, Mike would be making far money off his tour than the other shareholders, because he takes the rest of the tour revenue (or, his company does), and *also* gets back his equal cut of that licensing fee as a shareholder.
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 11, 2022, 01:17:09 PM



1994

That's the '94 BB gig Brian watched from the wings. I suspect he may have been making at least a minimal attempt at disguising himself, or at least somewhat blending in.
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 11, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
Wow..had never seen that picture of Carl! That was actually a good look for him too

It definitely made him look *much* younger, especially for that 80s era. I suspect one of the reasons (beyond it just being the style of the time) that Carl grew the beard circa 1970 and mostly kept it through the years was he didn't want to have the baby face look. Eventually he clearly just preferred that look.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: August 11, 2022, 01:12:53 PM
I'm not sure how much cutting down the songs would help the GIOMH album. I think the main issues are that it's kind of "underwritten" and "overproduced." I remember hearing the "Cocaine" tape years prior and thinking "City Blues" would make a good track. My jaw hit the floor when they did it for the GIOMH album. But it's a mess. It's muddy and cluttered, Clapton's guitar wankery does it no favors. It's hard to tell how much the issue is the arrangement versus the mixing. I guess it's kind of both? A number of the songs on the album have this issue. And that's looking at the *good* compositions. Then separately, yes, some of the songs just aren't too hot.

But I remember liking it more than the majority of fans back in 2004!

It was a terrible combination of being overproduced and underproduced, if that makes sense. Like, it was cluttered and busy but the mix…eh…not even sure I can call it that. I knew this dude back in college , Audio IV class. I had 2 hours of studio time before class but had to wait for him to take his stuff down so I could set up. He talked about everything he’d done and how many tracks , and how he was proud of dubbing in harps , banjos, all this stuff. 40+ tracks worth of stuff. Consider this was 2001 in Pro Tools. Anyway , about a week later when we as a class we’re listening to each others’ projects, it was his turn. He never bothered to mix the f*cker! Literally just compressed the hell out of it and threw a limiter and called it a day*. When I heard GIOMH for the first time , I had the same reaction as I did to Johnny’s project.


* The wav looked hilarious, by the way… it looked like some wrapped a hoagie in a gym mat. Or as I called it, “the world’s smoothest rectangle “

As I’m sure many fans will recall, the *perception* anyway back in 2004 was that “Gettin’ In Over My Head” was being kind of just pushed out quickly to market to get it out of the way before “Smile” was released. As the story went, they had basically added the GIOMH album as a rider to the “Smile” deal, to basically get two albums out of making a deal for “Smile.”

I love me some Brian vocal stacks, even messy ones. But some of them on GIOMH test any fan’s tolerance. That intro to “You’ve Touched Me” is pretty rough. (Conversely, I dig the Brian vocal stacks on “How Could We Still Be Dancing”, while the rest of the song is kind of meh). But some of the lazy *sounding* vocals on the GIOMH album didn’t assuage any concerns that the album had seemed to be “rushed.”

The “word on the street” back then was that while nobody had pushed Brian too hard in the studio on those vocals, Darian had “cracked the whip” as someone put it back then, getting very good (for that era anyway) vocals out of Brian for “Smile.”

How much all of these perceptions are actually accurate is debatable. I mean, some of the GIOMH tracks were older. It’s not like they went in and recorded 13 songs from scratch over a weekend or something.

One of the things with the sound of the GIOMH album is that Brian of course clearly likes big, lush, wet arrangements and mixes, with a lot of instrumentation usually. I think this has led to some stuff getting over-cluttered/muddy. On GIOMH, this was exacerbated by also just shoveling even more on top of some of the arrangements/recordings.

A stripped-down remix of the album I think would be more enjoyable. Like, I dig the new “A Friend Like You” remix, and I don’t think the ethos of either Brian or Mark or anybody is to do like a Johnny Cash-Rick Rubin sort of thing, but man, I’d love to hear “A Friend Like You” without *all* of those woodwinds and extra instrumentation. Stop it with the bass sax. I love Paul Mertens, but I never needed bass sax on “This Whole World” live either.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2022-2023 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2018-2021) on: August 11, 2022, 10:20:54 AM
Added a new 9/2 date to the top post schedule. Another "Endless Summer Band" show with Matt.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 11, 2022, 06:32:19 AM
You know, before this tour I never saw Brian wear a cap, no matter what time of day the show was or how hot. I think the only time (besides the fireman helmet) was him wearing a Kangol hat in like 1965 or so. Nothing to me pointing that out , but just saying it never occurred to me  til last month. It’s like seeing that photo of Carl in 1977 when he had shaved (and he had stubble). Just looked *different*

Not to go OT, but there's at least one other shot of Carl where he kind of looks like that. Here's a shot from the 80s where Carl seems to have shaved and then was growing it back:



As for Brian, I could swear I saw him at some point in the 80s in a baseball cap for something or other, but who knows. He did occasionally wear cool and dumb hats over the years. Maybe none of these quality as a "cap" versus a hat. But Brian definitely only sparingly has worn whatever head coverings over the years. Here's a montage from a quick Google search:



61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 10, 2022, 02:23:37 PM
I'm not sure how much cutting down the songs would help the GIOMH album. I think the main issues are that it's kind of "underwritten" and "overproduced." I remember hearing the "Cocaine" tape years prior and thinking "City Blues" would make a good track. My jaw hit the floor when they did it for the GIOMH album. But it's a mess. It's muddy and cluttered, Clapton's guitar wankery does it no favors. It's hard to tell how much the issue is the arrangement versus the mixing. I guess it's kind of both? A number of the songs on the album have this issue. And that's looking at the *good* compositions. Then separately, yes, some of the songs just aren't too hot.

But I remember liking it more than the majority of fans back in 2004!
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 10, 2022, 02:18:56 PM
I always maintained since 2004 that "A Friend Like You" has some good elements, but it was *vastly* overproduced/arranged. Way too many bells and whistles. Too many saxes and trumpets and all of that. It's slathered in way too much instrumentation. The original mix itself actually is okay, and doesn't sounds too muddy or cluttered considering how cluttered the instrumentation is.

I've said since back then that a remix could make the song much better. This new remix does strip it down *somewhat*. Not enough for my taste. But it's probably a better overall presentation of the song (though ironically a bit of the newly mixed-up McCartney vocal riffing sounds a bit awkward), and I think they even pushed up some additional Brian vocal stacks here and there as well.

A remix of the entire GIOMH album would certainly be interesting. I'll never get a Brian solo recording as dry and stripped-down as I'd like, but I'll take what I can get.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 10, 2022, 02:12:12 PM

I mean, as much as I enjoy the early stuff, I would argue that Surfin' Safari, Surfin' U.S.A., and a good chunk of Shut Down, Vol. 2 could be classified, while fun, as "not good," relative to not only the strong tracks on those albums, but certainly what we know comes after.

And, it kind of defeats the purpose of saying "look how multifaceted these guys are" when you literally hide any of their work.

Pet Sounds is a special case in their discography, though. As Bruce once put it, it is "one complete thought." I don't consider it being "mainstream" by casual fans being familiar with three songs from it. Its certainly not unknown, but its more widely known and appreciated by music aficionados than the fandom in general.

I'm not sure that letting something go out of print is revisionism, per se, but acting as if it never existed, officially, as was the case through C50, certainly is. I liken it to the constant requels that now dominate, especially the Halloween franchise, which as been reimagined once to remove the Cult of Thorn storyline, and more recently, to remove the entire brother/sister angle established in the original second movie. I take both, ignoring Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise and the Halloween reset to be extremely disingenuous to longtime fans, and a missed opportunity to easily educate new fans on the full history behind each.

Yes, I believe all of Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise are available in full in some way on Youtube, but that can't be relied on when they're constantly taking down copyrighted material.

I'm not for a MASSIVE push for these albums, as I'm a bigger fan of the albums currently getting attention, but quietly releasing or just putting them up on streaming services wouldn't really disrupt the current plans.

The idea behind lettting new and novice fans know how multifaceted the band was would be to expose them to the stuff you want to. If they don't know much about the catalog, they don't know anything is being "hidden" from them. For that matter, "multifaceted" (which isn't even the precise angle I'd pick to pitch, but let's go with it here) doesn't equate to "never released bad music."

You want someone who knows little about the band to know they did more complicated, nuanced material than "Fun Fun Fun"? You play them "Pet Sounds" and "Sunflower" (or whatever). You *don't* play them "Pet Sounds" *and* "Summer in Paradise."

If they dig the band enough, they'll find it *all*.

"Still Cruisin'" and "Summer in Paradise" have never been particularly "suppressed". The title track from SIP was on the "Made in California" set from 2013.

But I think we're mostly in agreement; I have no problem with everything being/staying in print. But the petition in question posits "deluxe" sets for both albums, which would require time and money and resources, and would certainly not be simply a case of quietly dumping them on to Spotify and digital retailers. It just struck me as a pretty tone deaf to what's going on with the band and catalog right now to pick *this moment* to push for that type of package for the two albums. And that's not getting into the unrealistic pitches involved (e.g. licensing all of those soundtrack songs).

I think the current catalog team could come up with a good way to present all of the material, including late 80s and early 90s. As I've mentioned, I don't want to wait 17 years to hear outtakes from 1989, so I understand we're not getting any younger. But I think the logical next steps would be to showcase the mid and late 70s next, which could happen in a variety of formats. From there, the 80s could be presented in a number of ways, and so on.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 10, 2022, 02:01:31 PM
I'm not sure the Chicago tour would be more strenuous, at least logistically, for Brian than doing his own tour. Mainly, in terms of show length. The joint tour with Chicago featured significantly *shorter* shows, and being able to knock off earlier in the evening (theoretically).

I'm not saying there aren't many factors at play. But compared to previous years, doing a seven-week tour (with over a week-long break in the middle) where you open the shows and do a quick 70-75 minutes or so, with three or four other lead vocalists helping out, isn't particularly strenuous, and certainly doesn't seem *more* strenuous.

In other words, whatever Brian's going through, his struggling on this last tour I don't think had much if anything to do specifically with elements that were unique to doing this type of tour. If anything, I'd suspect even if Brian was struggling somewhat but wanted to continue touring, this would be a pretty ideal setup: shorter shows, fewer total shows, etc.

The main challenge that would be faced on a joint tour with Chicago would be having to play in front of a larger proportion of non-fans and casual fans that may not be attuned to Brian's deal. And I have to say, based on audio/video of the tour and reviews and reports, I think Brian's tour was pretty lucky in that concertgoers and reviewers were pretty understanding and sympathetic.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 09, 2022, 10:47:52 AM
While the material on Summer In Paradise is definitely not up to Brian's standards, the actual contents of the songs is in keeping with their earliest subject matters and does fit in thematically with what casual fans associate the band with. Most casual fans don't care about Pet Sounds, Friends, Sunflower, etc.

I'm also not a fan of revisionism. If the group is to be celebrated, they should be wholly celebrated, warts and all.

While I think the various "Sounds of Summer" discussions online have delved perhaps *too* deeply into the topic of getting young/casual fans to listen to the deeper cuts, etc., I think the point here is that there is a concerted effort (e.g. FEEL FLOWS) to get people to change their "perception" of the band.

Also, "Pet Sounds" is pretty mainstream these days. It's not like some curio for hardcore fans. It never was. It has several of their most popular songs on it.

The new "Sounds of Summer" revamp is the perfect way to sort of temper the casual fan from the "surf/summer, etc." stuff into deeper stuff.

Doing an actual PUSH for "Summer in Paradise" right now would be ridiculous. I feel weird even having to explain that. It's not the subject matter even. It's not good music. Yes, I've typed a million times some variation of "Well, 'Lahaina Aloha' and 'Strange Things Happen' aren't that bad." But it's their worst album, by leaps and bounds. If you only ever wanted to simply reinforce the stereotypes casual listeners feel about the Beach Boys, I'd just stick to the early stuff then. "Summer in Paradise" is a poorly recorded, poorly mixed, poorly produced presentation of mostly bad and occasionally okay music.

I can't speak to whether letting something go out of print is "revisionism", but as I've said, I wouldn't oppose keeping all the albums in print, or even just quietly dropping expanded versions, etc. But again, the idea of doing an active promotional push for "deluxe" versions of these albums is so beyond *missing the point* of what's happening right now with the catalog and the team working on stuff. It's like stopping Brian's "Smile" live show from 2004 in the middle, and playing everybody a few tracks off of "Looking Back With Love."
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 09, 2022, 10:38:36 AM
One area where this often gets hung up is that I think you can like “Thing A” more than “Thing B”, but also say from a sort of objective/critical point of view, “Thing B” is stronger/better/more consistent, whatever.

I’ve run into a lot of Brian fans (and I’m not saying anybody here necessarily falls into this category) who have, let’s say, a pretty narrow, insular bubble of music they listen to. And it has to be pretty narrow for *me* to feel that way, because I’ve never considered myself someone with an epically wide-ranging taste in music.

Like the person a few years back that liked Brian’s take on “Wanderlust”, but refused to even listen to or make room for the *possibility* that McCartney’s original was good, let alone better (and of course it is, but Brian’s take is good and one of the only good tracks on that awful tribute album).

To me, Brian’s solo career is similar to the late era/most recent era of Paul’s solo career in that there are always some great things on the albums, but the days of front-to-back stunning albums are long gone. (I think Brian’s “Smile” is kind of its own thing, but certainly if we count that as just his “next album” in 2004, it’s by far his strongest front to back).
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 09, 2022, 06:55:07 AM
I'm as big of a fan of Brian's solo output as can be, but no, I don't think I'd take most of Brian's solo output over McCartney's. In many cases, it's not even close.

Let's be clear: "A Friend Like You" is not a high water moment for either Brian or Paul. I like the chords, I like the sentiment of the song, and it's cool to hear them on a track together. But it's not Brian's best work. McCartney's vocals on the track are fine. He could have been used better vocally; I'd guess they didn't have a ton of time with him in the studio.

But yeah, if we're looking at Paul's entire catalog, or even just the concurrent 1988-present time frame, I don't think Brian's albums hold up nearly as well. Both made far from perfect, A+ albums, but I'll take "Flaming Pie" over "Imagination" any day, and I'll take "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" over "Gettin' In Over My Head" (and I seem to like GIOMH more than a lot of BB/Brian fans). McCartney's last few, especially "Egypt Station", were pretty weak. But I don't need to point out that Brian hasn't done much studio work past "No Pier Pressure." The "Long Promised Road" soundtrack is cool, but that's mostly old stuff. "At My Piano" is nice (McCartney had a slightly similar moment with his material on his "Working Classical" album in 1998).

There's obviously no need to pick one over the other, and I'm not sure how "A Friend Like You" would ever remind anybody that Brian's material is better than anybody else's, especially McCartney.

HeyJude, your preference is obvious, considering your nickname. Smiley
Tastes differ. I love Sir Paul myself.
On the other hand, I feel free of being reminded of Brian and Paul by a song by Brian and Paul...

The name came first actually! I'd like to claim I was a BB and Beatles fan right out of the womb, and I guess I sort of was, but not really.

I get that the song makes one think of these guys and their links and their careers. I was only saying I don't think a middling track from the two should reflect particularly for better or worse on the *quality*, or *comparative quality*, of their catalogs. This is definitely not the song that makes me thing "Wow, I prefer Brian's solo albums to Paul's" (or vice versa). The track reminds me of that "Walk With You" track off whatever Ringo album that Paul was on (ironically, co-written by Van Dyke Parks!); it's a pretty anti-climactic collaboration. Though, "Walk With You" is actually truly bad, whereas "A Friend Like You" has some good stuff going for it.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 09, 2022, 06:50:42 AM
The ironic thing is that these albums desperately need remixing (and partial re-recording), yet they'd be the least likely to get the time and budget to do so (again, as we've long talked about, assuming the SIP stuff was saved to some sort of future-proof multi-track format).

There's no way to ever make SIP a *good* album, but just removing that awful snare drums sample used on *everything*, and either re-recording the drums or even re-triggering it with a different, less awful-sounding sample, would elevate the material at least so it doesn't grate on the ears.

But it was also interesting in Howie Edelson's recent interview, he mentioned talking with Alan Boyd about remixing, as an example, "Rock and Roll to the Rescue" to liberate it a bit from that 80s sound, and Boyd kind of mentioned that there's not a lot that can be done for some of that material to remove that element (my words, and I'm loosely paraphrasing another paraphrasing).

But some of that stuff could sound a bit better with just a fresh remix; something like "Still Cruisin'", which is basically the prototype for the SIP album in terms of the drum sample and the mixing. That mix sounds paper thin, so a remix boosting the bass and thickening the whole thing up would help.

But again, is there time and budget for this? Maybe eventually. But not now. Drop the old CDs on streaming if you must, but let's get the unreleased 70s and 80s stuff first.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 08, 2022, 11:59:46 AM
I'm as big of a fan of Brian's solo output as can be, but no, I don't think I'd take most of Brian's solo output over McCartney's. In many cases, it's not even close.

Let's be clear: "A Friend Like You" is not a high water moment for either Brian or Paul. I like the chords, I like the sentiment of the song, and it's cool to hear them on a track together. But it's not Brian's best work. McCartney's vocals on the track are fine. He could have been used better vocally; I'd guess they didn't have a ton of time with him in the studio.

But yeah, if we're looking at Paul's entire catalog, or even just the concurrent 1988-present time frame, I don't think Brian's albums hold up nearly as well. Both made far from perfect, A+ albums, but I'll take "Flaming Pie" over "Imagination" any day, and I'll take "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" over "Gettin' In Over My Head" (and I seem to like GIOMH more than a lot of BB/Brian fans). McCartney's last few, especially "Egypt Station", were pretty weak. But I don't need to point out that Brian hasn't done much studio work past "No Pier Pressure." The "Long Promised Road" soundtrack is cool, but that's mostly old stuff. "At My Piano" is nice (McCartney had a slightly similar moment with his material on his "Working Classical" album in 1998).

There's obviously no need to pick one over the other, and I'm not sure how "A Friend Like You" would ever remind anybody that Brian's material is better than anybody else's, especially McCartney.
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 08, 2022, 11:52:04 AM
It indeed really is, just in my opinion, a weird specific point in time, literally in between the "Feel Flows" set and the 72/73 set, to want to have like a strong "deluxe" push for two of their weakest albums (and I say this as a fan who bows to no one in my interest and fascination and enjoyment of their 80s stuff, including a lot of the new stuff on "Still Cruisin'"), from one of their most artistically challenged periods. Especially when the material is VERY EASY to track down on many different formats.

I still sense some younger fans don't fully grasp the full scope of the ups and downs of the band's success/image/perception, etc., and how the current work on the early 70s stuff is making strong strides to move the perception more away from Full House and Uncle Jessie and all of that.

As I mentioned, I don't think anything should be out of print, and I wouldn't be against just dropping these two albums back on digital platforms. 

But no, this is not the material that needs the attention of the casual fans looking at the next high profile Beach Boys archival release. Good luck to all, but yeah, this is I'd say a bit of a tone deaf moment to push for these specific items.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: August 05, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
I'm all for getting everything in print, and I never turn down bonus tracks.

But it's tough, because Iconic/Brother are right in the middle of running through the early 70s as far as archival releases. I get it, I don't want to wait 20 more years for them to hit the 90s.

I suspect there's a reason "Summer in Paradise" has been more or less quietly "retired", not even making it into album artwork collages on the 50th anniversary tour.

Also, not to be a wet blanket, but some of the proposed bonus tracks for these albums are not owned by the label or BRI. "East Meets West" for sure seems to be owned by the Four Seasons Partnership. I think "Chasin' the Sky" may still be held by whatever label or movie studio put that one out. (Carl was even asked about that track back in 1989, and he mentioned at least back then it couldn't be licensed for the "Still Cruisin'" album). I'm wagering several of those other movie soundtrack songs are not owned by BRI.

I will gladly pick up reissues of anything, especially if they include bonus tracks. But I'd put reissues of these albums pretty low on the list of priorities. Considering they are *very* easy to track down on the secondary market, I'd much rather prioritize getting unreleased 70s material out, and then 80s.

An easy stopgap solution just to get everything "out there" would be to get albums currently unavailable for digital download or streaming back up on those sites, including these two albums as well as Brian's "Gettin' In Over My Head", and a few other things. It would take five minutes to dump those old CDs onto Spotify.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / "A Friend Like You" 2022 Remix on Brian's Website on: August 05, 2022, 09:19:54 AM
"A Friend Like You" - 2022 Remix

https://www.brianwilson.com/video

I like that it's different. There's more Paul vocal riffing in several spots. I like that the mix on the whole is stripped back a bit as well.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 04, 2022, 01:23:10 PM
Just to be clear, my post above about factoring Covid risks into the cancellations is not meant to deflect from Brian's condition on stage. If anything, it paints a more dire scenario if his performing condition on stage isn't being looked at and everybody is only looking at Covid (Covid risk should obviously be looked at as well). Hopefully, all of these factors are being looked at by all involved.

I suppose, at the moment, it's more important that Brian's off the road and resting. Whether that's happening with the possibility of being able to get in better shape to tour, or just relaxing and resting and recouping at home and staying off the road (either wholly or mostly), I think this is a rare case where BB fans across the spectrum are pretty united in concern and some relief now that neither Brian nor fans are staring down additional concert dates right now given how things have been going.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: And a place to live, Guess I'm gonna stay....Residences of The Beach Boys on: August 04, 2022, 08:44:33 AM
Truly, it is fascinating that both Mike and Bruce don't seem to have any interest in taking the sunset years of their lives and relaxing on a more extended basis and having more time to enjoy their large houses and gold plated toilets or whatever it is they've got going on. They seem happy to schlepp across the country (and around the world) and just take a few weeks here and there at home. They seem happy spending more time on airplanes and in hotel rooms than in those mansions and non-mansion mansions. I don't know that it's admirable per se, but it's interesting and fascinating.

I mean, we're not talking about retiring from the insurance industry, here! These are rock stars! Last month they played the Royal Albert Hall. So far as I can tell--and to Mike Love's credit--it just never got old for him. He wants to be out on stage singing his hits and doing his bits and signing autographs and hearing the crowd cheer, and I mean, I don't think I'd want to give that up either, if I were him!

Yeah, everybody's different. I just think there are other people of a relatively similar ilk who wouldn't even so much dislike all of the rock star trappings, but would have *some other* interest in life they'd like to pursue that touring doesn't allow enough time for.

It’s worth noting that multiple times in past decades, especially in the 90s, Mike indicated he didn’t envision touring forever and eventually pictured retiring and moving onto TM or other things of that nature. He mentioned this in that infamous 1992 Goldmine interview as I recall, and Elliott Lott said back in 1999/2000 that Mike only had a few years of touring left in him (though I think that was much more a tactic/ploy to try to assert that they should let Mike have the license as if there were only a few years left of touring income to capitalize on).

I think continuing to tour nearly non-stop is both a very pro-active, energized thing to do, and also kind of lazy in some ways at the same time.

Carl called it back in the late 80s, that Mike would be out there touring after everybody else had dropped off for one reason or another. 
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 04, 2022, 06:46:02 AM
For better or worse, I think people need to also consider the possibility that his “stage presence” at recent gigs actually doesn’t have much or anything to do with the canceled dates. I think it’s quite possible that Al (and apparently Robert Lamm?) getting Covid at the tail end of the tour may have led Brian’s team to realize that it’s better to be overly-cautious right now. Even with boosters, Brian is probably even more at risk of serious Covid complications than Al or someone else of a similar age who seems to be otherwise in good health.

I think this scenario would be both for better and worse, because I do think his stage presence is something they should be looking at too. But, I don’t say this particularly with glee or doom because it is a complicated issue, but I could actually envision the show going back on the road at some point, perhaps early next year, if everybody is otherwise in the same shape and Covid isn’t having any appreciable spikes.

I’m not into telling anybody what to do. But from the fan perspective, I’d be fine if Brian stopped with the full-blown touring. If he can muster some additional performance strength, then maybe a show here and there with Al and Blondie could still be enjoyable. I dunno.
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