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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Name One Song You'd Wish The BBs Should Have Covered on: October 10, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
"Black Dog" by Zep with Dennis Wilson circa mid-70's on lead vocals.
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Cover songs better than their original on: October 10, 2017, 09:33:57 AM
Four Tops version of "Everybody's Talkin", I like this one more than Fred Neil's original or Nilsson's version for that matter. Leave it to Levi and the other Tops to bring out the soul in something.

OR, their version of 'MacArthur Park'. I never really liked this song until I heard Levi Stubbs sing it. When he does, I suddenly get it...the heartbreak, the longing, the cake left out in the rain, the stripped pants. It all comes together.

Yeah, I'm in a Four Tops mood today.  Cool Guy
3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Northern Soul on: October 10, 2017, 09:26:58 AM
R.I.P Sad

And JK, nice songs! That Freddie Chavez song definitely has that Northern Sound to it. It reminds me of a Four Tops song.

Of course, Frank Wilson! He was an excellent songwriter/producer for the Tops and Supremes, but not many know that he was a pretty good singer himself.

Tony Clarke - Landslide!
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Northern Soul on: October 04, 2017, 09:52:30 AM
"One of the many beauties of northern soul is its sheer unknowability. Itís a scene that has always thrived on the rare, the obscure and the undiscovered. Since it first emerged in the dancehalls of northern England in the late 60s, it has existed in direct opposition to the very concept of greatest hits."

"The northern soul movement, however, generally eschews Motown or Motown-influenced music that has had significant mainstream commercial success. The recordings most prized by enthusiasts of the genre are usually by lesser-known artists, released only in limited numbers..."

The Kaldirons, 'To Love Someone Who Don't Love You':

Chuck Wood, 'Seven Days Too Long':

Al Wilson, 'The Snake':

Dobie Gray, 'City Stars':

Edwin Starr, 'Time':

5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: September 18, 2017, 09:49:15 AM
I think John kinda lost his relevance after Sometime in New York City. Paul was more consistent in the 70s for me, but John's highs were higher, with most of Plastic Ono Band and the early singles Instant Karma, Cold Turkey, Happy Xmas etc. I don't think Paul could ever write something as powerful as God.

It's a shame what happened, as John's songs on Double Fantasy were great.  It's sad to imagine (no pun intended) what he could've accomplished in the 1980s and beyond since he seemed to get that creative fire back. 

Yes! I liked his Double Fantasy songs a lot too. It seems like he lived long enough to become at peace with himself and life in general, get back into music, then he got shot down...really sad. Oh well. Guess it just makes us appreciate what he did give us that much more.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: September 18, 2017, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: RangeRoverA1
It's fine. You summed up many views about George. We agree. What can you say about Ringo? Liked hits or beyond it? Listened to the newest to dat

I've liked his hits for the most part. I listened to "Ringo" from 1973 all the way through and found it mostly enjoyable, of course not on the level of the very best John, Paul and George stuff. "Ringo's Rotogravure" I've listened to as well and liked it less than Ringo, but it's still pretty fun. I remember being disappointed by the other Beatles contributions on that album, but I guess it's to be expected that they would just give Ringo whatever toss-offs they wrote and save their best material for themselves. Other than those two albums I've heard other songs here and there. I watched a concert of his a few years ago with his 'All-Starr' Band, and liked some of it but a few of the originals (don't remember their names) were pretty, sad to say...bad. I haven't heard the newest stuff, but this conversation has made me interested in giving it (and some of his older stuff) a shot.
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: September 17, 2017, 06:12:10 PM
You listed popular. What's the favorite obscure album track?

Probably I Found Out or Well Well Well

Yeah, those two are awesome songs. I also enjoy "Look At Me", just a perfect example of what a great singer/songwriter can do with just a guitar and minimal production.

I think John kinda lost his relevance after Sometime in New York City. Paul was more consistent in the 70s for me, but John's highs were higher, with most of Plastic Ono Band and the early singles Instant Karma, Cold Turkey, Happy Xmas etc. I don't think Paul could ever write something as powerful as God.

I pretty much agree. I think it's almost as if he was running out of inspiration. He still had SOME, obviously, but not enough to expand beyond a couple of albums. I think Imagine was already a pretty noticeable step down from Plastic Ono Band, for instance, even though that's a good one too. After that he definitely had some great songs, but just wasn't as brilliant as he was in his Beatles days and very early solo career.

That being said, #9 Dream is probably my all-time favorite solo Lennon tune. Given how it was during a time when, as I mentioned, he was struggling a bit artistically, when I hear it I'm still like "Wow, where did that come from?" (From a weird dream he had, I know, but I mean compared to the other stuff he was recording at the time). It's just so beautiful, the perfect 'dream' song...that chorus is out of this world and sounds like a George Harrison type thing, including the opening slide guitar solo. The only part I kinda don't like is the 'pousse pousse' or whatever word. I know they changed it so it wouldn't sound like the other word, but it still stands out and adds a sort of sexual context to an otherwise innocent sounding song. Oh well, no biggie. Still love it. If you can, listen to the fade out with the volume up, you can briefly hear I 'think' John doing some backup vocals that are drowned out during most of the rest of the song. It just shows how much is really going on.

So '#9 Dream' is the song I'm obsessing over right now.  Grin

8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: September 12, 2017, 06:47:02 PM
How about Living in the Material World or his self titled album? 
S/t is the 1st George album I checked. I reckoned it might be very special he named it after himself. Wrong. At least in LITMW there's some variety but I didn't like it too. I liked the doc by Scorsese.

Since you ask these questions, does it mean George's catalog is your biggest favorite? Isn't there album(s) you didn't like?

I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I hadn't dug into George's solo work for a while, and looking back at it now that I'm older, I have to confess, I may actually see/agree with your points to a degree. I know a lot of people love George's solo career, and I do love ATMP, but I was just listening to LITMW again and I don't find it impressive. It's...'pretty good', but not nearly as inspired or tuneful as its predecessor. I listened to Dark Horse, and my reaction was that it was mediocre, but maybe it was George's hoarse vocals distracting me from the music and lyrics. I easily prefer Paul's early-mid 70's solo work/Wings work and at least John's Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Wall and Bridges and even Double Fantasy to either LITMW or Dark Horse. I like Concert for Bangladesh, and I liked a couple of songs from Cloud 9 but never listened to the whole thing, so that's next on my list to check out. This may be in large part, because, and it pains me to say this because George is one of my idols, his solo work just isn't as appealing to me as John and Paul's and listening to it again so far (outside of ATMP) hasn't been a particularly fun time for me. I 'try' to like it, and I do enjoy a handful of his songs here and there, but a lot of it I find to be dreary and monotonous. But he did have a lot of music, so chances are I'll find some gems that I'd either forgotten about or didn't know about in the first place.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson and George Harrison: things they have in common on: September 10, 2017, 12:43:25 PM
I think the intent is, wowie, the sweet-quiet-spiritual archetype ones are so similar. And up next, we'll talk about the cute ones. Then maybe the rebellious ones.

So Mike Love and Paul McCartney?

Hmm. Both seem very commercial minded.

And rebellious ones? Aha!

Bruce and John. Hmm. Their hair seems almost alike. Not really.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson and George Harrison: things they have in common on: September 10, 2017, 08:22:13 AM
Both had drug problems that led to some embarrassing live performances.
I've never heard or read anything about embarrassing concerts from George because of drugs or alcohol. Could you give an example/source?

His voice was sh*t as the 74 tour wore on. I've always read/understood that to be a consequence of his heavy cocaine use.

In his case it also translated to his studio work. I was listening to a few tracks from Dark Horse and I swear I thought George must've been joking or something. His voice sounded so good just a few years earlier, too. Shame.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson and George Harrison: things they have in common on: September 07, 2017, 06:22:08 PM
Wasn't Carl also frustrated with the direction the band was going in too, like the types of songs they were putting on their albums and stuff? I remember how he said he only wanted to play 'inspired' music or something, and he did end up making 2 solo albums. It's sorta reminiscent of how George was frustrated and wanted to go solo. I mean, not exactly the same and I know there were other reasons, but still.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Saddest songs on: August 29, 2017, 01:17:41 PM
Hmm. Good topic and posts so far!

"Got To See If I Can't Get Mommy (To Come Back Home)" - Jerry Butler. Ironically David and Jimmy Ruffin did a shorter but nice version of this too. It pains me, but I have to side with Jerry on this. His deep, aching voice suits this song better than anyone else's. And geez, the lyrics tell just about the saddest story I've ever heard. What hardship.

"Mother and Child Reunion" - Paul Simon. Great poetic lyrics, but sad. I think any song about the relationship between a parent can be sad (see Simon's "Father and Daughter" as well, a much later but equally good companion).

"Since I Lost My Baby" - The Temptations. I don't know if Smokey ever wrote better 'sad' lyrics in his early days than here. And of course David Ruffin's lead is perfect. That call and response bridge just breaks my heart. I could listen to that part a hundred times, like Brian Wilson and Be My Baby.

"Fatherless Son" - The Four Tops. An obscure, previously unreleased track that surfaced fairly recently I believed. Yeah, like some of their stuff, it gets to be a bit overblown by the end, but it's still pretty, and sad. I mean, it technically has some silver linings, but even a happy part in a sad story can reduce you to tears, right? Levi Stubbs delivers the vocals in his usual classy but dramatic fashion.

"Sleep Walk" - Betsy Brye. The vocal version of the famous instrumental hit by Santo and Johnny. Breathtakingly haunting, I actually like it more than the original, but it's certainly a close call. But you want sad? Listen to this part: "Sleep talk/Instead of dreaming I sleep talk/While the memory of you lingers like a song". That would be a part where she could, how do they say nowadays, 'drop the mic'?

"I'll Bet He's Nice" - The Beach Boys. I've always struggled with my feelings with Love You, but this song is in my view undeniably great. A bit simple in it's lyrics, but that's the point too, I guess. The sentiment is melancholy: I'll bet your new boyfriend/husband just rocks, he's probably richer and handsomer and funnier than me. And that crushes my soul. I love the demo of this song better than the studio version, though both are good. I can picture Brian playing this song in one of those sandboxes with a piano in the middle, singing in that raspy, throaty mid-70's voice of his in a big, dark empty room all by himself. So touching.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate Reality: Al, Mike, and Brian as The Beach Boys on: August 27, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
She's Got Rhythm, Come Go With Me, Peggy Sue, My Diane and Matchpoint Of Our Love are the standout tracks for me.

I personally don't think the album is good, but I like a couple of tracks. My Diane is beautiful, I heard a version without some of the overdubs and that might be my favorite though. Matchpoint has some silly lyrics, but the melody is pretty and I think Brian sounds great on it, almost like his younger self before his voice got all gravelly.
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favorite Tracks on each Beatles Album on: August 27, 2017, 09:19:01 AM
I am guessing most fans here did NOT grow up with the US albums. Rightly or not, those are still the albums I hear in my head when I think of Beatles songs.

I've actually heard those albums quite a bit too, and enjoy them. Making a list of my favorite songs from those albums might be an interesting excersise. I think some of them are tepid (Beatles 65' and Beatles VI) but I like them anyway.

I like to tell mother that "Lovely Rita" is written about her :D. I sometimes sing to her in jest "Lovely Rita meter maid". It's one of my favorite female names to boot. JL, good write-up despite disagreeing with few things here & there. Case in point - "Martha My Dear", I didn't hear "sad" in it. It's positive nice dedication to his pet Martha imo.

I'm glad you enjoyed my thoughts, RangeRover! Yeah, I admit with 'Martha My Dear' that I'm maybe projecting my own emotions into it. But that's the thing about these great songs, people can interpret and imagine their own meanings, even if they're not what was really intended by the writer.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which snippet of Beach Boys music would you use for your answering machine? on: August 25, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
I Wanna Pick You Up

That should make the person uncomfortable enough to leave me alone.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favorite Tracks on each Beatles Album on: August 25, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Anything that involves ranking The Beatles is tough for me. But here it goes ('favorite' does not necessarily mean 'best' for me). The ones in parentheses are the 'runner ups', since it's a pretty close call for me on every album.

Please Please Me: Baby It's You (Twist and Shout). I just adore John's cold-ridden, throaty, nasal voice on this album. So raw, and powerful. There are other good versions of this song, but when John screams "Can't help myself" and "Don't want nobody, nobody", my heart just stops. Twist and Shout is the same. There is 'Twist and Shout' as sung by Lennon, and there are versions 'not' sung by Lennon. That's how definitive this version is for me. Ironically neither of these songs are originals, but to be honest I found most of the originals to be fairly weak on PPM compared to other Beatles albums, though a couple are strong.

With the Beatles: Not a Second Time (Runner Up: All My Loving). Again, 'Second Time' gets the nod because of John's vocals. So great, pleading, bitter, depressed, reluctant all at once. "And now you've changed your mind/I see no reason to change mine". Can't get anymore direct than that. The lyrics are simple but with a great vocal delivery they rise above. The fade is spectacular, too. No, he really can't stand heartbreak striking him a second time. Just listen to him say it! And Paul's 'All My Loving' is beautiful, complex, and a big jump forward for the band in general. One of his signature songs, really. Great wordplay and guitar playing.

A Hard Day's Night: Tell Me Why (Runner up: If I Fell): Those harmonies and the overall melody just make my heart melt. I love this period of the Beatles: they were past their early, more primitive sound but not quite up to Rubber Soul/Revolver/Pepper level of maturity and experimentation. What they did have was a mastery of catchy melodies and excellent, relatable lyrics. A little corny, sure, especially the group falsetto "If there's anything I can do!", but not too much, and why not? It just adds to the fun. If I Fell is one of their best ballads too, and I love the John and Paul interplay here. Their voices were made for each other. The way the song changes from "Hurt my pride like her/'Cause I couldn't stand the pain" is great, just one gripping part to the next, it never lets up.

Beatles For Sale: I'm A Loser (Runner up: Eight Days a Week): I don't like this album as much as some of their others, which is pretty common I guess, but it has it's moments. I'm a Loser has some of John's best lyrics, very honest and vulnerable. His voice is amazing too, as usual. Low and dark, but somehow still folksy, as if he's just sitting in a bar telling you a story. Eight Days a Week isn't really a hugely innovative song, except for maybe the fade-in at the beginning, but man, another song that just grabs you and never lets up. Just when you think it's gonna finally slow down, there's "LOVE you every day girl/Always on my mind". Just pure, lovely pop. The handclapping is a nice touch, and the backup vocals come in at just the right times.

Help: The Night Before (Runner up: You're Gonna Lose That Girl): Devastating, dramatic Paul song here, arguably his best yet. It's like the man just never runs out of ideas. The opening of the song would've been just great on it's own, but then you have "Last night is a night I will remember you by/When I think of thing's we did/It makes me wanna cry". If that doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. His bass playing is inspired, as usual, too. You're Gonna Lose That Girl is another of those not really sophisticated from a lyrical perspective, but again, just beautifully, professionally played pop. I have a soft spot in my heart for these ones, if you can tell. "You're gonna lose that girl/You're gonna loooose that girl" and the backup vocals going repeating John's lines is awesome. I read one guy on another website say something like this, and I have to pretty much echo his sentiment: even if the Beatles had broken up before Rubber Soul and their later period, if they had just kept making songs like these, they still would've been great.

Rubber Soul: You Won't See Me (Runner up: The Word). Just a thoughtful, reflective and sad number from Paul. His lyrics are nothing short of magical: "Though the days are few/They're filled with tears/And since I lost you/It feels like years". It wouldn't be the same without his voice, of course. The way his voice gets softer, a bit sadder on the last two lines is subtle, but huge. And when he repeats them towards the end of the song, he sounds even more resigned, as if he's just going around in circles, repeating the same story over and over again, each time accepting his situation a bit more. The bass line, once again, is spectacular. and John and George outdo themselves with the 'ooh la la la" vocals in the background. A perfect song, if there ever was one (again, I say that a lot about the Beatles, though). The Word is just so unique, the group harmony sounds amazing, and it's so catchy. It's deceptively complex, though: the bass chugs along and carries the song underneath instrumentally, and that organ break during the bridge is jarring, and feels a little out of place at first, but is also somehow oh-so perfect. I've just always been attached to this song.

Revolver: She Said She Said (Runner up: For No One). The first one is pretty much everything that makes Revolver great: weird, but expertly done music. I love the CRASH-CRASH----CRASH-CRASH sound of the cymbals by Ringo. The guitar is so powerful, too, kind of in your face, but it rocks. When John sings "And she's making me feel like I've never been born", is dramatic, and then "When I was a boy/Everything was right" reminds me of Paul's lines in A Hard Day's Night. Really pretty. For No One is one of Paul's best songs, you can't get anymore heartbroken then "Your day breaks/Your mind aches/You find that all her words of kindness linger on when she no longer needs you". What a line. It's fairly simple, compared to other songs on Revolver, but it just adds to the solemn, lonely feel.

Sgt. Pepper: Gettin' Better (Lovely Rita). Sgt. Pepper isn't really my favorite Beatles album, but it's close. Getting Better is so peppy, so upbeat. Who hasn't sang this to themselves when things are rough, and you're hoping it'll all get better? It was basically my theme song in 4th grade. John's lines are nice, with his "Can't get no worse" vocals. A perfect summary of John Paul: Paul is the cheery, always looking on the bright side kind of guy, and John is too, in his own, cynical way. If that makes sense. Lovely Rita is beautiful, I love the bass and overall melody. It sounds sorta cheesy and old-timey at first, but it really grew on me. I love the sophisticated wordplay mixed in with the simpler joys of life, "Lovely Rita, meter maid/May I inquire discretely/When are you free to take some tea with me?". Only Paul could write that and have it sound brilliant.

Magical Mystery Tour: Penny Lane (All You Need Is Love): Penny Lane. Every second is a blast of pure joy. I think that Paul was really great at making you feel like you were really part of some strange little world. I would love to visit this  very strange 'Penny Lane', and meet the fireman in the rain with the portrait of a queen, and that barber. It may be strange, but it's also filled with beautiful blue suburban skies, which sounds awesome. All You Need is Love I consider to be one of John's signature tunes, maybe even more than Imagine. Here, he says you can do basically whatever you want, say whatever you want, as long as you have love. Even if you can't do it, or someone says you can't, well, you can! And that fade is awesome. She loves you yeeeah, yeeaah, yeeaaah. Somehow fits in perfectly with everything else.    

White Album: Helter Skelter (Martha My Dear). In an album that has Back in the USSR, Glass Onion, Me and My Monkey, and Birthday, somehow this song manages to rock even harder than all of them put together. Sure, the lyrics are nonsense, but they take on some sort of meaning the way Paul belts them out. So gutsy, from the vocals to the guitar and drums. The fade outs are a nice touch, too. Martha My Dear may seem trivial to some people, but it's just gorgeous music to my ears. I love the sentiment behind it, it's sorta sad. Like you're saying "I know I'm always busy, and I have my flaws, but please don't forget me, be good to me". I can relate to that a lot. It's a happy-sad kind of song to me.

Yellow Submarine: Hey Bulldog (Yellow Submarine?): Yeah, I don't like this album too much. But it's not even a proper Beatles for the most part. Ah, what the heck? I like it anyway, even the weird George Martin tunes that make up a big chunk of the album. Hey Bulldog is great just for that bassline. What got into Paul?! Listen to that fade out. It's like he's just going nuts on that thing. And the song shows the band having a good time in the studio, which was probably one of the last times they ever did that. Yellow Submarine was technically on Revolver, but it's also the title track here. It's a pretty little sing a long tune, reminds me of Uncle Albert from Ram. Ringo sings it to perfection despite his obvious vocal limitations.

Abbey Road: Here Comes the Sun (Oh! Darling). So many to choose from. Here Comes the Sun may be the prettiest thing George wrote (well, that's arguable to say the least). Just so gentle and moving. He really evolved as an artist in just a few years. Oh! Darling has some of Paul's best rock/soul vocals ever. It's like he thought this would be the last song he would ever sing and just really dug deep to sing this. OK, maybe not, but he really pours his heart into it anyway. Definitely one of his highlights as a Beatle, in terms of songwriting and vocal delivery.

Let it Be: Don't Me Down (Across the Universe). This one's tough. I know Don't Let Me Down wasn't on the original Let It Be, but it was recorded during those sessions and even performed on their rooftop concert. It should've been on there, but Spector took it out I believe. It showed up on Let It Be...Naked. It's so ragged, so soulful. One of those that you can just sit and listen to, and let yourself be entranced by it. John's falsetto at the end is also incredible, and Billy Preston's contribution to the album is underrated: that solo is brief but breathtaking. A great, bluesy tune. Across the Universe would be great if it was just spoken: the lyrics are pure poetry. But John's gentle vocals and the guitar make it all a great psychedelic yet very moving tune. It's sort of like a 'moving painting' if you will. I could live without the choir/strings, but I've gotten used to it and it's quite pretty itself.

BONUS (Favorite songs not included here): I'll Get You, Rain, Paperback Writer, Thank You Girl, Hey Jude, Revolution,
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which snippet of Beach Boys music would you use for your answering machine? on: August 25, 2017, 08:20:06 AM
The music break of the Smile version of Wind Chimes after Carl finishes singing "Though it's hard I try not to look at my wind chimes".
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Robert Plant covers \ on: August 18, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
Would love to hear Plant's take on "Transcendental Meditation".
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: August 17, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
I'll Get You
Oh Darling
Penny Lane
Don't Let Me Down
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 16, 2017, 05:42:55 PM
I have a question!...that maybe doesn't 'have' a real answer, but looking for opinions anyway.

In 1995's "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" album, Brian Wilson does a version of "Melt Away". In the original from 1988, he sings:

"I feel just like an island
Until I see you smiling
And my blues just melt away"

But in the new version during that parts, he sings

"And my dreams just melt away"

Why did he change 'blues' to 'dreams'? Blues makes it sound like the girl makes his sadness go away. Dreams make it sound like his happiness is melting away or something. Maybe he means bad dreams, like nightmares? But "and my nightmares just melt away" didn't really fit? I just thought it was weird because for me it kinda changes the feel and even meaning of the song. I like the 1995 version a lot, though, but this has always bugged me a little.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #11: The Beatles (the White Album part 1) on: August 13, 2017, 05:15:59 PM
Don't Pass Me By, don't make me cry, don't make me blue...but Ringo, I'm afraid I have to.  Cry

Don't Pass Me By
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 12, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
Why is this thread now about President Trump and snowflakes??

Not that it should matter, but I'm forty and I've been a lurker/member on these BB boards since the days of the old Smile Shop.

Bottom line on ML's speech: there are TWO speeches that I've ever found memorable and worth listening to over the years at the RRHOF. One is Mike's speech. The other is Alex Lifeson's. So Mike has my respect for at least trying to make a point instead of spouting platitudes, and I salute him for causing a scene at an event that's dedicated to rock n' roll, the ultimate scene-causing, ruckus-rising music.

Well, it certainly was memorable, I see your point. The thing is though, to take a few playful jabs at Mick Jagger and the Beatles might be OK. But he sound so hateful throughout the speech. Mentioning lawsuits between Paul, Ringo and Yoko, that's a low blow and unnecessary. Diana Ross? Billy Joel? Kinda like what Elton John was getting at, why didn't he mention him and everyone else, too? Mike was drunk and rambled and said some things he shouldn't have, and took the spotlight away from what should've been a nice evening for the boys. Now all anyone remembers is that speech.

Oh well.
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Was Motown's Best Period? on: August 12, 2017, 06:19:57 PM
Question to JL: which song everybody likes you don't? Which 'town artist many regard great you just like casually?

Thanks to the list. After 60s psych music shall check Edwin Starr et al.

You're welcome!

To be honest with you, outside of Marvin Gaye's big hits in the 60's and his What's Going On album, I feel like he's pretty overrated as an artist. I haven't listened to all of his work yet, but 'Let's Get It On' is considered a masterpiece album by many: I found it decent but dull and monotonous. I feel similarly for 'Here, My Dear': supposedly one of the greatest albums ever made to many. I DO find it sloppy and at times incoherent, but on the plus side it is more interesting than LGIO. And for better or worse, it's a real, painfully honest look into the mind of Marvin Gaye at that point in time (much like say, 'Love You' was for Brian Wilson). I actually like his last album, "Midnight Love" more than the other two 'classics'. Marvin is still a legend for What's Going On alone, and his singing voice, but I think that Curtis Mayfield had him beat as a songwriter/producer and David Ruffin as a vocalist.

I like Smokey Robinson a LOT: but mostly his more mature solo work. I feel some of his cutesy early lyrics were effective but already outdated by the mid-to late sixties. Listen to what his next single for the Temptations was going to be before Norman Whitfield took over as their producer (Little Miss Sweetness) and compare it to what Whitfield wrote (Ain't Too Proud To Beg), and you'll see how other songwriters were already beginning to equal or surpass him, or at least keep up with the times better (which Smokey eventually did as well in the 70's). Whitfield/Barrett Strong and Holland-Dozier-Holland were both better, more consistent composers/lyricists overall.

I'd say those two are the biggest examples. Again, I 'do' like them, but there's other Motown artists that I not only like more personally, but even from a more unbiased perspective, I feel like they're not quite as great as some claim them to be. Which isn't to say they aren't great at all, or unimportant in history: just overrated, sometimes at the expense of better artists.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 12, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
I cannot lie, I have also come to despise Mike Love...

...'s fashion sense. I mean, what was he thinking with the white robes and long beard in the 70's? And nowadays, is he in some competition to see who can wear the loudest shirts?

There. I've aired all my grievances.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Al Jardine die in 1965 only to be replaced by a lookalike ? on: August 12, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
Someone already mentioned it, but wow....

Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)

I've been lying on my back
Like a freight train off it's track

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