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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Kiss Ups! on: December 08, 2009, 07:34:20 PM
Contrary to his public image, Bruce is not all early nights and pillow fights.
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Kiss Ups! on: December 07, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
I think the lesson of this thread is not to mess with Bruce and wind up like Outie, drooling on your bib and posting gibberish. That Bruce is a bad mother.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let's all wish an early Happy Birthday to... on: December 05, 2009, 02:23:58 AM
Happy Birthday, Dennis- every minute that goes by, your music is playing somewhere, and every minute someone is thinking of you.  Thanks for making life a little sweeter for so many people, including those yet to be born.
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Kiss Ups! on: December 03, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
Yeah, but who hasn't Bruce pistol-whipped?

That's a hell of a good point.
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Kiss Ups! on: December 02, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
I heard somewhere that Bruce pistol-whipped this guy in Vegas, and he's never been right in the head since.
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Rubber Soul on: December 02, 2009, 06:45:47 PM
Well, whatever Brian heard, he pretty much heard it in mono, right?
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 22, 2009, 09:10:23 PM
Dang it, Rob, now it's going to take me about five more years to completely forget "Do The Freddie".

Little known fact: he was preparing to release his follow-up single "Let's Do The Freddie Again (Like We Did Last Summer)" when the Tanya Harding team kneecapped him with an axe handle in a preemptive strike.  This officially ended the British Invasion.

Freddie returned to his previous career on the fringe of the entertainment business- hanging around in the park and eating bugs for loose change.
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 19, 2009, 11:23:37 AM
Yeah, who could forget that iconic "Do The Freddie"?

Touché.

So far, not me, but I'm still workin' on it!
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Steven Gaines Thread on: November 18, 2009, 05:24:49 PM
Steven, you might or might not be aware that Landy also apparently claimed in print one time to have been the co-producer of Barry McGuire's "Eve Of Destruction". Phil Sloan, the author of the song, wrote a vehement letter to one of the Hollywood trades (circa 1990-'92?) refuting this and at the same time expressing love and support for Brian Wilson.

Also- in the years just after your book was published, it got to be a steadily bigger issue that Pet Sounds was not available on CD. In those pre-Internet days of limited information, I asked around wherever I could and was given two rumors as to the hold-ups: (1) lawyers representing Dennis' estate and (2) Landy negotiating for a big title- specifically, "executive producer" of Pet Sounds, which was of course done nine years before he met Brian. (Not vouching for that, but it was floating around in 1988-'89).

When you were first here in 2008 I re-read H & V as a ramp-up to grilling you here as much as you were open to it.  A year's gone by, but I will get my thoughts together on the book when I can in the next day or so and publish a mini-review in this thread.  Time has been very good to it.

I would also like to see an updated edition, but I'd really rather see an expanded edition- at least another hundred pages on the era already covered.  It sounds like you've got the material; it would just be a matter of the market, and the book's reputation ought to be a huge plus there.  How much longer was the first draft- do you recall?
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Weird Al's Smile parody released today! on: November 13, 2009, 12:10:58 PM
I just think it's great to live in a country that allows Weird Al to walk around freely and have a career and everything.  In any Eastern Bloc nation he'd be in some kind of a camp. In other places the townfolk would chase him through the streets with ugly intent, like the ending of "Phantom Of The Opera". Here in the U.S. we haven't even sterilized him.
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did anyone else get the singles box... on: November 09, 2009, 12:12:37 PM
And then there's the Complete Verve Masters series, in the big tin cans, where the disc cases fold out like an accordion and the awkward shape means they can't be stored conveniently (I have the Charlie Parker and Billie Holiday ones). Just seems like Verve is thinking too much here. Oh, well, they're fun to look at, and definitely get an "A" for effort.

I like the recent Genesis boxes because they just slide into the CD shelves under "G", next to where the other Genesis discs were.

Amazon had a list once of worst DVD packages and I think the winner was a season of "The Munsters" in a package shaped like Fred Gwynne's head! You can also get the complete series of "The Flintstones" in a big replica of their car- what are you going to do with that? Roll it around the living room? I've gotta throw in a vote, too, for the new Woodstock box set- all variations I've seen, but especially the one with the mini-tambourine.

Talking of The Munsters isn't the theme tune the greatest theme song ever?

You are entirely correct.

It's creepy sounding surf rock and if I remember rightly written by someone signed to Capitol?

I just looked it up, and it was written by Jack Marshall, father of Hollywood exec. Frank Marshall (whom I used to work for). Best version of it I've ever heard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dXqMcx6geg

87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is Al getting taller? on: November 08, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
Ha!  Surfin' Safari...I subbed for their Mike Love once when he had a cold!
Wouldn't that have made him sound more like Mike Love, then?

^Somebody get this man a lifetime supply of Turtle Wax and Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.  That was priceless!
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Two eras collide on: November 08, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
Oddly enough, I've heard both of those guys do "Sail On, Sailor" at non BB gigs.
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did anyone else get the singles box... on: November 08, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
And then there's the Complete Verve Masters series, in the big tin cans, where the disc cases fold out like an accordion and the awkward shape means they can't be stored conveniently (I have the Charlie Parker and Billie Holiday ones). Just seems like Verve is thinking too much here. Oh, well, they're fun to look at, and definitely get an "A" for effort.

I like the recent Genesis boxes because they just slide into the CD shelves under "G", next to where the other Genesis discs were.

Amazon had a list once of worst DVD packages and I think the winner was a season of "The Munsters" in a package shaped like Fred Gwynne's head! You can also get the complete series of "The Flintstones" in a big replica of their car- what are you going to do with that? Roll it around the living room? I've gotta throw in a vote, too, for the new Woodstock box set- all variations I've seen, but especially the one with the mini-tambourine.
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did anyone else get the singles box... on: November 07, 2009, 10:11:27 PM

There's a Louie Armstrong/Ella Fitzgerald three disc set (all their collaborations on Verve, complete) that I've got that comes in a blue hinged case with a tan band holding it together. The band has a nice printed design with titles and information on it.  The band is held in place by a photograph of Louie and Ella glued to it and the cover, on the front.  Instructions on the back say "Tear seal here to open package/ Please do not remove band."  Tear it, but then keep it on there. The Adrian Monk in me wanted to find the package designer and seal-club him.

Most likely you figured this out yourself, but I have this Ella & Louis package too.  The good news is the band slides off gently without damaging the other packaging.  At least it does on my copy.  The only bother is when I'm done playing it I remember to slide it back on before shelving the case.


ARRRGH!  No, the damage is done.  On my copy, the loose (die-cut) photo of Ella and Louie is firmly glued to the band and also to the blue cover, binding them all together, so no sliding.  I even re-checked just now.  So I gently (and tearfully) cut the band, as instructed...set me back ten years of therapy.  A slap in the face to obsessives everywhere, just glad to know others here are the same way!

If the package designer ever moves to Atlanta, he can consider his lawn already trenched.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Review of Brian Show on: November 03, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Brain's- excuse me, I mean "Brian's"- shows are based on a unique relationship among him and the band and the audience.  He's not there to dazzle you with his stage-presence.  What flows back from the audience is at least as important as what flows forth from the stage.  You're there to celebrate something with thousands of anonymous friends- something that meant more to you than you could really express any other way.  You're all there to say "Thank you" to Brian Wilson and share an evening of his music with him and his band, and to help keep him moving forward in his strange and difficult life. If you really don't get that, and you're focused on his sweat pants, then yeah, you should have stayed home.

Best moment for me at any Brian show was at the Roxy in 2000.  It was right around the time the last TV movie debacle came out- not too long after, and a lot of people were still talking about that.  Hoping I'm recounting all this correctly. I think Brian was setting up "Be My Baby" and he asked if people in the audience had ever had a "really favorite, favorite song"- one that was above all the others.  Someone yelled "Good Vibrations!" and everyone cheered. Brian said " Wow, thank you." and someone yelled "No, THANK YOU" and the whole place went up. A really touching moment that captured the feelings of everyone there.  Then in the lull that followed someone else yelled "MIKE LOVE SUCKS!" and everyone started laughing, including Brian, who really spontaneously just totally cracked up, which was really, really great to see. He looked startled as he busted up.  Then he made a "tsk, tsk" type gesture- he wasn't having it- but he was still smiling.  Great moment to be there.
Yep, I was there and remember that as well. Also remember someone shouting out "we love you, Carl" after Brian's introduction to God Only Knows, and Brian again saying "Thank you."


That's so cool, Southbay- what a night. Wonder who else here was in the room with us?  I stood over next to Melinda, who was sitting at a table with her friend- Brian would have been a little to my left.  Who was that guy who warmed up?  Didn't he have Pete Buck from R.E.M. playing with him? I remember the bright red jacket...

One thing no one has mentioned- this was just a college kid. She was probably sent by the school paper to cover it and was clearly clueless about Brian- probably read an article about Brian being in bed for years and the collapse of SMiLE, listened to  Pet Sounds, and thought (reasonably enough) that she had done her homework. And face it- Brian's not destined to have many people "get" him or his work. Hard as we were on her, I was hoping the comments would be helpful to her, give her a little insight, in case she wants a career as a writer.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 03, 2009, 02:40:12 PM
Pretty amazing when you read that list of traits right after reading the letter. I'm sure a professional, qualified person could make it much more specific as to Murry's type just from the letter. Any shrinks here?

I'm amazed if I'm the only one reading it for the purpose it overwhelmingly hints at- after all the big build-up, the whole thing simply comes down to this: the band is going wrong, you've lost your way, I've got some dirt on you that I can prove, and I'm calling a meeting to talk about the band's future. What's not to get there?

Murry's life was essentially destroyed when he was fired the year before- he lost his whole identity, all his authority, his manhood, his dream, his whole ego. The "I Know Brian's Dad" buttons tell you all you need to know about Murry circa 1963/64.  But who was Brian's Dad in 1965? Nobody. The Sun Rays. He took to his bed for months, he hints at thoughts of suicide.  And all the while the band was scaling bigger heights without him. It would be utterly naive to think he didn't have thoughts of getting it back, just like you wanted that girl back that dumped you during your junior year, and the simplest understanding of how Murry operated would fill in the rest. He saw success as a fight. This letter shows that he was willing to fight a little dirty.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Review of Brian Show on: November 02, 2009, 02:04:03 PM
Beautiful post, man. Thanks.

No, THANK YOU!

 Grin
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 02, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
Andrew, do you also see in this letter a veiled attempt, with some cryptic threats, to regain control of the Beach Boys?  I honestly can't see how there's any other way to read the intentions.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Review of Brian Show on: November 02, 2009, 01:44:34 PM
Brain's- excuse me, I mean "Brian's"- shows are based on a unique relationship among him and the band and the audience.  He's not there to dazzle you with his stage-presence.  What flows back from the audience is at least as important as what flows forth from the stage.  You're there to celebrate something with thousands of anonymous friends- something that meant more to you than you could really express any other way.  You're all there to say "Thank you" to Brian Wilson and share an evening of his music with him and his band, and to help keep him moving forward in his strange and difficult life. If you really don't get that, and you're focused on his sweat pants, then yeah, you should have stayed home.

Best moment for me at any Brian show was at the Roxy in 2000.  It was right around the time the last TV movie debacle came out- not too long after, and a lot of people were still talking about that.  Hoping I'm recounting all this correctly. I think Brian was setting up "Be My Baby" and he asked if people in the audience had ever had a "really favorite, favorite song"- one that was above all the others.  Someone yelled "Good Vibrations!" and everyone cheered. Brian said " Wow, thank you." and someone yelled "No, THANK YOU" and the whole place went up. A really touching moment that captured the feelings of everyone there.  Then in the lull that followed someone else yelled "MIKE LOVE SUCKS!" and everyone started laughing, including Brian, who really spontaneously just totally cracked up, which was really, really great to see. He looked startled as he busted up.  Then he made a "tsk, tsk" type gesture- he wasn't having it- but he was still smiling.  Great moment to be there.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did anyone else get the singles box... on: November 02, 2009, 01:17:07 PM
Sitting here laughing as I read this. Y'all are just like me.  I wonder how many people here are some form of obsessive?

There's a Louie Armstrong/Ella Fitzgerald three disc set (all their collaborations on Verve, complete) that I've got that comes in a blue hinged case with a tan band holding it together. The band has a nice printed design with titles and information on it.  The band is held in place by a photograph of Louie and Ella glued to it and the cover, on the front.  Instructions on the back say "Tear seal here to open package/ Please do not remove band."  Tear it, but then keep it on there. The Adrian Monk in me wanted to find the package designer and seal-club him.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Review of Brian Show on: November 02, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
That review was too long and lacking in energy.  Did she let someone else write the (misspelled) headline?  I didn't like all the short paragraphs, either.  Doesn't she have anything of substance to say? Guess not, since she found the sweat pants to be the more "noticeable aspect of the evening" than the band's musicianship. Wish I had stayed here and not clicked the link. 

98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 10/15/1965 session with Dick Reynolds on: November 02, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
I always thought these tracks, which I've never heard, were just a tutorial session with Reynolds teaching Brian some things about arranging, particularly with strings, I guess. "Three Blind Mice" was just an exercise, right?
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 01, 2009, 06:16:48 PM

Thanks, Beach Head, for the transcript, and thanks SJB for this.  This was Murry's house or the Sea Of Tunes office or both?  Either way, it's gone now, sadly. I'd love to see a picture of what was there in 1965.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry's eight page letter on: November 01, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
This letter reads like a suicide note IMO and this comment indicates it had crossed his mind.

Yeah, it does, TOA- it reads like a lot of different things, all rooted in manipulation.  But my interpretation is far darker than anyone else's here seems to be.  As they ask in English class, what was the author's purpose in writing?  Just to get a lot of things off his chest?  Certainly not. That doesn't hold up.  This letter, sent or not, was meant to produce results, at least when it was written- specific results I think Murry had in mind. There's a lot of build-up and a lot of cryptic stuff.  But let's look at some clues:

(1) Here's the history of our family.  I'm the one telling you how it really was, because I'm the one who knows. Sit at my feet and learn as I reveal to you the way it is. (Surprisingly intelligent, sensitive, and perceptive stuff from Murry in this section. He really was an intelligent man.)

(2) I'm the only one who ever really looked out for you and did right by you. Your mother may have meant well, but she came from a troubled background [unlike Murry?], as I have explained. That's why she undermined me with you boys. Listen to me, not her.

(3) I'm still the only one you can trust.  Mike Love is trouble and I've always said so.  Everyone around you is a phony and a user. All your friends are steering you wrong.

(4) You're really not as talented as you think you are.  You're listening to phonies and users, and they will destroy you unless you find someone you can trust. Someone who's always been there.

(5) I'm the only really decent man you've ever known.

(6) You stole credit from me (for my mixing abilities [!]) and your success was built on my back.

(7) All your friends have tried to undermine me, just like your mother.

[8] You've all been dishonest and you've lost your way without me.

(9) You hurt me terribly when you fired me.

(10) But we all make mistakes, we've all goofed.

(11) I've recovered from that mistake but you haven't.

(12) [shift of tone here] And you've broken laws- committed sexual crimes and done drugs.

(13) And I can prove it.

(14) So I'm calling a meeting to disband the Beach Boys.  As always, for your own good.

But maybe there's something they could do to fix things...to find their way again...to right past wrongs. They'd better listen- he's an intelligent man, done wrong, and wrongfully undermined.  He's the only reason they were ever successful. But more to the point, he says he can prove some stuff. Yeah, we'd better listen.

Read this letter for what it is.
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