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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which Beach Boys songs/albums are popular with the younger hipster crowd? on: February 18, 2021, 06:03:14 PM
I'd add Pacific Ocean Blue and Bambu. 
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Still Talking 60th on: January 23, 2021, 08:05:36 AM
I'd love for them to think outside the box and do their 60th anniversary spectacle as a mockumentary leading up to their big 60th anniversary major network tv special that they miraculously got, and they figure out how to totally send up their entire backstory as bickering senior citizens trying to come together for one last splash

....and then actually do a flawlessly produced 60th anniversary tv special
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 18, 2021, 01:22:12 PM
He was stuck in the middle of nowhere with Mike and Al.  He would have had to drive an hour just to reach *Iowa City*, there was probably nothing to do but be sober.  Smiley
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SWD Study-Videos --- update on: January 17, 2021, 04:20:23 PM
Rab, with all due respect - and I "get" that it seems odd that needing to go through the Endless Harmony forum to access these videos would be the easiest and most secure & controlled option for all parties involved -  I think you're trying to stir up some partisanship of some sort, although not necessarily on purpose... why isn't your first thought to just make an anonymous burner account with a burner email address and not worry about stuff? Not trying to be mean...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brianisms Appreciation Thread on: January 16, 2021, 09:23:50 PM
The Roller Skating Child and I Want to Pick You Up answers are such disasters, the rest is triumphant
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereogum: ''Mike Love’s Beach Boys played for a packed, mask-less crowd' on: January 03, 2021, 07:31:46 PM

I'd hope that after a maskless performance by that asshole and his fake BB band would have to quarantine for at least two weeks and if he doesn't survive the virus, oh well! Evil

You've posted twice in this thread about how you'd like Mike Love to die, which shows that you just shouldn't be posting on this board at all
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereogum: ''Mike Love’s Beach Boys played for a packed, mask-less crowd' on: January 03, 2021, 07:22:36 PM
Why is nobody piling on Dean Torrence? Why does he get a free pass?

Here?  Because this is a BB board.
Everywhere else?  Because it was a BB cover band involving Mike Love, and Dean Torrence just doesn't have the notoriety at this point.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereogum: ''Mike Love’s Beach Boys played for a packed, mask-less crowd' on: January 03, 2021, 10:51:47 AM
The States handled the plandemic.  If he was a fascist, you'd be in jail.  If you've been to college, go get your money back.  You've been cheated out of an education.

Be careful kids, this is what you'll sound like if you huff too much shoe polish
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: December 25, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
Maybe Carl's motivations should be looked at from a slightly askew perspective... if Carl did indeed say that "the BBs were not capable at that time of producing artistically relevant content" or whatnot.... maybe that's not a dig on the BBs.  He was right.  They were not.  Not at all, not even close.  What would make anyone think otherwise, by 1995, if they paid attention to their timeline?
On the other hand, that doesn't mean that Brian Wilson was not capable of creating artistically relevant content.... nor Carl Wilson, frankly... but perhaps this was a moment of realism from Carl at this moment, as someone who was better than probably anyone else at understanding the "big picture" of a 35 year old band of 50-somethings and what could possibly be best for all parties.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best point in time to break up-if any-to maximize the group's critical standing? on: December 07, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
Doing it *at* Smile would have given them an all-time mystique in pop culture that would even make the likes of Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Kurt Cobain blush
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Musicianship of each of the Beach Boys? on: November 18, 2020, 07:04:05 PM
David is an elite guitar player.  Carl was WELL above average at the guitar, but he considered himself a vocalist rather than a guitarist. 
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 24, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
Rab, where in that Washington Post linked article does it say what you are claiming?

The headline states "Chinese coronavirus infections, death toll soar as fifth case is confirmed in U.S."

Dude, your reading skills are way off then, you shouldn't be making this kind of mistake.  It is not "Chinese Coronavirus" as a proper noun.  It refers to infections and death toll from coronavirus in China, and the first sentence of the article reinforces that.  

Thanks for the correction! There are plenty of other examples of the media using it as a proper noun though (which is probably why you didn't choose any of my other examples) but kudos to the Washington Post.

I chose not to engage you on this, respectfully, because the argument isn't good and totally based in confirmation bias.  
I am making an assumption that you are perhaps British, and then you maybe don't see the daily goings on of Trump from January 2020 until now.  You cannot make some kind of "bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe LiBeRaL mEdIa" statement, based on a few early news clippings or whatnot - that since winter 2020 have totally not been the accepted journalistic norm in how to describe and report on our current covid outbreak.  What is seen by observers in America is that he has chosen to use the term "China Virus" in special circumstances, all throughout spring and summer, specifically when he is mass communicating in some sort of arena of his followers, to rile them up and reinforce their chosen values - which here involves making a boogeyman/scapegoat/fall guy out of a vaguely articulated concept of "China".  This isn't a case of fuzzy terminology or unfair slant from "liberal media".  It is obvious dog whistling, which is nothing like your couple early examples of fleshing out terminology.  
Which gets me on a side point-  Trump actually isn't a racist.  He doesn't really care what your race is.  However he is (first) - a classist.  He enjoys 1%ers of all races and backgrounds and wants nothing to do with the other 99%.  He is also a race-baiter - he uses racism as a tool.  This is far worse than being a racist, and there needs to be bigger consequences to this.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 24, 2020, 10:08:47 AM
Rab, where in that Washington Post linked article does it say what you are claiming?

The headline states "Chinese coronavirus infections, death toll soar as fifth case is confirmed in U.S."

Dude, your reading skills are way off then, you shouldn't be making this kind of mistake.  It is not "Chinese Coronavirus" as a proper noun.  It refers to infections and death toll from coronavirus in China, and the first sentence of the article reinforces that. 
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 24, 2020, 09:53:58 AM
Rab, where in that Washington Post linked article does it say what you are claiming?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 21, 2020, 07:31:35 PM
marcella27: A baby?  Really?  Babies don't engage in behavior that attempts to harm others.  Of course not.
About the rest of your post- sure, you're right, when you tangentically take this into caring for animals over the course of their lives - of course you need to identify problem behaviors and solve them without aggression. 
Your dog thinks like it is in a pack that you lead.  In the moment, when it is harming another living being, you attempt to overrule it with your voice, it can be aggressive and intimidating, and it is not psychological terror. 
This is getting pretty far off topic. 
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 21, 2020, 06:50:20 PM
Again, I will go back to the Daryl Davis example. The man didn't believe that every person with a white-nationalist viewpoint was beyond the point of redemption. And he proved with love and civility that people can be swayed to see the error in their ways. There is this cancerous idea in this day-and-age that no one can be swayed by rational discourse. We have been trained to automatically resort to name-calling, or ill-will wished upon someone. If we really think that shouting at someone like they're an animal pissing on a carpet is going to help move our society to a better place, we have completely lost touch with any sort of civility - civility that is needed for the good of society. Again I say, be the light in the darkness you see.

There is so much instant vitriol in society these days that it's no wonder people are so staunchly firm in their beliefs. Divisiveness feeds off this false idea that people with different viewpoints can't talk to one another in a civil manner.

Imagine if Snopes/CDC/etc, instead of citing and fact-checking claims regarding COVID, just merely shouted "F**k you!" or "I hope you get COVID!" to those who shared their beliefs that COVID-19 is a hoax, how useful would that be to society? We have that same responsibility.

You are backpedaling from your second post in this thread, where you say, and I quote, "I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'." 

See, shouting down unreasonable statements actually works.

I guess I'm now confused by your definition of shouting at an animal. I was more under the impression that shouting at an animal is actually just that: shouting (which in internet/forum terms could possibly likened to having an exclamation mark or all caps with the words "What the hell are you doing!?" written). Because when my cat pisses on the carpeting I don't calmly walk over and explain why what the animal is doing is wrong (which is basically how you just responded to Nathan - which you then cited as an example of shouting - unless I am missing something).

He got shouted at, internetically speaking.  Not reasoned with nor explained to.  He started out by saying "I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'."  Among other stuff.  People here barked at him to eff off and other such things.  He complained about these responses and ended up reshuffling what he was saying - which is what he should have done. 
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 21, 2020, 04:39:57 PM
A former coworker  of mine passed away this morning due to Covid...next person who claims Covid is a hoax is out of here . Take that sh*t elsewhere

Agreed.

Even the cesspool that is Twitter is at least taking some measures to block factually misleading stuff about COVID.

It boggles my mind. Empathy/sympathy requires next to no effort, and yet some people just can't even muster that.



Absolutely.

Billy, my sincerest condolences for your loss. That's terrible.  

It's remarkable how Trumpy people, who then firsthand experience a loss due to Covid of somebody who wasn't necessarily even in a high-risk group, might be the first to change their tune if they were previously downplaying it. Just look at Chris Christie as a recent example.

Why is it that it takes a personal experience to do that as opposed to proactively empathizing with others? Boggles my mind. That's the same mindset as Narcissist Mike "he's never been anything but nice to us" Love.

Assuming some of the 'Trumpy people' is referring to some of my earlier comments which attempted to illustrate my thoughts on the politicalized nature of COVID and the exaggeration of implemented precautions.  Can I not have true, honest empathy and sympathy for those that either contracted COVID-19 and fought to overcome the disease or those families which saw their loved ones struggle and ultimately die from the virus?   Just because I have opposing views on the subject doesn't mean I don't have sadness for all the loss and struggles.   The problem is you don't believe that I do.   I said I think concerts are fine and mask wearing is pointless but I also tried to express personal experiences.   I feel that the actions taken to combat COVID-19 are having a larger and possibly more long term detrimental affect.   Its been expressed that I contract COVID, f-off and get banned.   Someone mentioned that people like me think they're above the law.   I actually feel the exact opposite.  I thought I'd be known as the biggest rule follower ever.  If I see signs on private businesses, public areas, etc. requiring the use of a mask, of course I wear one.  I always wear a mask because its expected of me right now.  I don't agree with it and may take political action to see a change, but I follow the rules.   My feelings on masks were from what I learned from published studies.  From what we see, this virus spreads sooo freaking easily.  The droplets expelled can be so minuscule that prior studies on larger molecule viruses had nearly no positive affect of wearing a mask.  Mainstream media even reported that most hospital admissions from COVID were from people already quarantining at home.   I've personally seen no widespread research conducted that the spread of COVID-19 would be greatly different by mask wearing.   I have seen first hand accounts, however, of the detriments including gum disease, increased tooth decal and overall sluggish feeling and hyperventilation from breathing through a mask.   Luckily, the survival rate to COVID-19 appears to be well above 99% using the CDC numbers including all those truly dying from pre-existing or unrelated causes.    When political leaders, like Trump, need to make decisions for the country, both sides need to be considered.   Seems like some people on this board feel the USA is infallible to financial distress and widespread pain/suffering from recessions/depressions.   I know that small business, many industries (including travel) and middle and low wage families were hurt badly during the lockdowns.   Both physically by way of depression, suicide, fear, drug use, alcoholism...social separation...not seeing the doctor when they should have...skipping medical appointments and then...the financial impacts.  Not that financial impacts will lead to widespread hunger initially, but in the long run, harm is realized quickly when business collapse and financial struggles appear.   Its just a lot to consider when your weighing important decisions.    This coupled with the sensitivity to losing freedoms gained only by the millions of lives lost on the battlefield through hard fought wars.   Americans are sacrificing individuals, but both sides need considered.

You are backpedaling from your second post in this thread, where you say, and I quote, "I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'."  

See, shouting down unreasonable statements actually works.
It's the same mentality as Nathan shows above when he discusses wearing masks in public because of established societal ground rules, even though he has already ARGUED that mask wearing is HARMFUL TO YOUR OWN HEALTH.  He is doing so because he knows that if he were to completely avoid these sooooo harmful to your health masks, wide swaths of society would avoid him or verbally check him for his chosen behavior.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 21, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
Know what's interesting? It is Trump supporters who are called fascists. It is Trump supporters who are called violent. It is Trump supporters who are called "termites". I even saw someone wish COVID-19 on someone in this thread. Ever think that the vehemently unstable discrimination and taunting of Trump supporters is actually a form of fascism: where you are name-calling, berating, and delegitimizing a group of people for being different than you?

It is interesting, because, in the past, I have always thought of left leaning people to be a lot more understanding about the plight and shortcomings of fellow human beings. But anytime I see someone out themselves as a Trump supporter they are disavowed, cast away, berated, name-called, in some cases they are physically assaulted by someone on the left. It's to the point where some of the biggest social-media companies are censoring and blocking people due to a political leaning...that in itself is definitely a form of fascism.

If you haven't already, read up on the tolerance of intolerance paradox.

I'm not saying that people need to sit idly by. I'm saying that if there are facts to be presented, present them in a rational manner. If someone is spreading disinformation, correct it without name-calling or discrimination. Some have been very cordial in this thread, some not. I just hope the latter (on whatever political side) would realize that mocking people, genitalia, wishing disease, or outright cutting ties with fellow posters isn't going to bring about the world we want to live in.

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no, you don't need to respect fascist behavior or tolerate it.

But you also shouldn't fight bigotry with more bigotry. You shouldn't fight fascism with more fascism. You can't fight hate with more hate and expect a good outcome. There was an African American on Joe Rogan's podcast who talked about taking members of the Klan out to lunch just to talk with them. He ended up helping so many Klan members leave the KKK just by simply treating these people with a little dignity (when they probably didn't deserve it). He didn't stand for fascist behavior and fought against it, but he did so with an open mind/heart, instead of with hateful words and divisiveness.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.  If someone says something you personally find offensive or problematic, the answer is not to tell them to F off.  How do you think we got into this polarized mess that society is in right now?  People have always had different opinions and they always will, but now we seem to be unable to act like grown-ups about it.  That does NOT mean tolerating bigotry of any sort.  It means expressing one's opinions in a civil way, listening to others, and sometimes, agreeing to disagree.  

It's very sad to me that people who are here because they love the band might feel they can't be here because of their political beliefs.    

There is a difference between offensive and dangerous.... in this case, the guy with the "opinions" that wearing masks are more harmful than not wearing masks because you "breathe your own exhaust back in", and that we aren't actually dealing with a pandemic at all right now, needs to be shouted down like you would to an animal that is misbehaving.  Over and over again until they maybe start to "get it".  Anything less will not be effective due to their lack of reason, anything more than shouting might cease to be legal.

I agree that these opinions about the pandemic are dangerous. However, I dont think I've ever seen "shouting down" lead to the other person suddenly "getting it".  100% of the time it will alienate the person.   

Also, I would never "shout down" an animal (assuming you're referring to dogs, cats,  pets).  Not cool.

Oh?  You can't reason, appeal or bargain with animals.  What do you do if you have a cat that enjoys periodically crapping in the corner of your bedroom?  Let it happen?  What do you do if your dog periodically has a bad habit of attacking smaller dogs when you take it to the park?  You shout at it as aggressively as you can, because that is the COOL way to handle it.  NOT COOL would be to physically harm it with force or psychologically harm it with shock collars or invisible fences.  

Likewise, people like this poster in question who hold dangerous viewpoints and clearly can not be bargained with about a topic anymore, will not consider reasonable arguments to the contrary anymore, and have never been open to appeals must be shouted down, over and over again, by as many members of society as possible.  To do anything further would be NOT COOL.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 20, 2020, 05:44:58 PM
Know what's interesting? It is Trump supporters who are called fascists. It is Trump supporters who are called violent. It is Trump supporters who are called "termites". I even saw someone wish COVID-19 on someone in this thread. Ever think that the vehemently unstable discrimination and taunting of Trump supporters is actually a form of fascism: where you are name-calling, berating, and delegitimizing a group of people for being different than you?

It is interesting, because, in the past, I have always thought of left leaning people to be a lot more understanding about the plight and shortcomings of fellow human beings. But anytime I see someone out themselves as a Trump supporter they are disavowed, cast away, berated, name-called, in some cases they are physically assaulted by someone on the left. It's to the point where some of the biggest social-media companies are censoring and blocking people due to a political leaning...that in itself is definitely a form of fascism.

If you haven't already, read up on the tolerance of intolerance paradox.

I'm not saying that people need to sit idly by. I'm saying that if there are facts to be presented, present them in a rational manner. If someone is spreading disinformation, correct it without name-calling or discrimination. Some have been very cordial in this thread, some not. I just hope the latter (on whatever political side) would realize that mocking people, genitalia, wishing disease, or outright cutting ties with fellow posters isn't going to bring about the world we want to live in.

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no, you don't need to respect fascist behavior or tolerate it.

But you also shouldn't fight bigotry with more bigotry. You shouldn't fight fascism with more fascism. You can't fight hate with more hate and expect a good outcome. There was an African American on Joe Rogan's podcast who talked about taking members of the Klan out to lunch just to talk with them. He ended up helping so many Klan members leave the KKK just by simply treating these people with a little dignity (when they probably didn't deserve it). He didn't stand for fascist behavior and fought against it, but he did so with an open mind/heart, instead of with hateful words and divisiveness.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.  If someone says something you personally find offensive or problematic, the answer is not to tell them to F off.  How do you think we got into this polarized mess that society is in right now?  People have always had different opinions and they always will, but now we seem to be unable to act like grown-ups about it.  That does NOT mean tolerating bigotry of any sort.  It means expressing one's opinions in a civil way, listening to others, and sometimes, agreeing to disagree.  

It's very sad to me that people who are here because they love the band might feel they can't be here because of their political beliefs.    

There is a difference between offensive and dangerous.... in this case, the guy with the "opinions" that wearing masks are more harmful than not wearing masks because you "breathe your own exhaust back in", and that we aren't actually dealing with a pandemic at all right now, needs to be shouted down like you would to an animal that is misbehaving.  Over and over again until they maybe start to "get it".  Anything less will not be effective due to their lack of reason, anything more than shouting might cease to be legal.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 06:07:27 PM
Modern Republicans do not think that the rules apply to them.  That is their only philosophy at this point.  Everything else has been mortgaged in an attempt to grab as much power as possible.  Nathan Snyder's opinions as stated in this thread reflect this general asocial mentality and need to be shouted down repeatedly until he finds new ones that don't ignore our shared reality, willfully and in damaging fashion. 

Mike Love probably likes Joe Biden as well and would play his Southern California rally if Biden threw a bag of cash at him.  He is just so unscrupulous that he's one of the last dogs left that will jump at Trump's bone. 
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why are BB albums so short? on: May 17, 2020, 01:46:39 PM
Easy answer that hasn't been said yet. In the early era, they were pushed to put out 2-3 full length albums each year. This resulted in shorter albums that also included an amount of filler material just to push it up to an acceptable level. As the years went on and this industry practice went away, when subsequent albums were short, it was often the end result of dysfunctional band politics.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: November 08, 2019, 07:01:29 AM
I'll say it again. The most likely correct answer is that he used to hate touring, it is obvious that he still hates touring, but nobody is forcing him to do it - he does it on his own because he has decided that it is best for him. Him saying that he likes touring now in his 70s holds little merit, because he really doesn't have any other answer to logically give the public.

The people saying that "he looks miserable up there most of the time" are correct. And so are the people saying that he is not being forced into anything.

"Hey Brian, do you like touring as a 77 year old?" "No, it's the absolute ***ts."
"Hey Brian, do you like your cousin Mike?" "No, he is a whiny scumbag piece of trash."
- 2 answers to really dumb questions that Brian would NEVER EVER give the public
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: November 07, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Isn't the correct answer that he used to hate touring and he still very likely hates touring, but he realises rightfully that it is still the right choice to make right now in his life and he does everything he can to find ways to make touring more tolerable? What's he going to do, hit the road all the time and tell the press how much he hates touring?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could go any Beach Boy concert in history on: October 19, 2019, 03:23:36 AM
1- The very first show they ever played.
2- That post-Love You time frame where Brian is full-on weirdo and playing bass on the reg.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Title edit: Carl Wilson late 70s (formerly Trouble in Paradise) on: September 11, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
I realise that people are often so up in arms about the 70s BBs... I actually enjoy them quite a bit. They were realistic and reflected their true problems like real people, and were also super creative and weirdly prolific in album and tour the whole time. People can often be so prudish about drugs and public problems (like discussed with Carl) that arise when one goes one step over the line and monacles shatter everywhere. Oh well, somebody who was under a ton of pressure made a mistake, it happens and they recover and then probably make more mistakes. I think the 80s BBs were far, far more problematic and totally monsterishly freaky. 70s BBs were just a bunch of 30-somethings that were actually good at what they did but had a bunch of fantastic missteps. (that is a super large exaggeration, and I am going to get burned because of it, but I'm not wrong) Tons of love to Carl and Brian.
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