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Author Topic: CD Twofers Sound Quality 1990 vs. 2001  (Read 16994 times)
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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2018, 01:24:35 PM »

Sorry to bring up an old topic, but i need an answer to something.  I Just picked up the Party/Stack O Tracks and Smiley Smile/Wild Honey 1990 twofers. I am hearing pretty constant static noises running through both cd's? I know these cd's are no-noised, but is THAT the audio end result of that process? If so, yikes. Let me know if i just simply have faulty discs or if those are indeed how they truly sound. Thanks.
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2018, 04:32:20 AM »

Had the same problem, some info in the replies to this topic:

https://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=7137.0
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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2018, 04:53:27 AM »

Thanks. They sound the same in every player I've tried and they sound horrendous when played through iTunes. So I'm to believe these are due to cd rot? Both were purchased from the same seller on Ebay. I'm awaiting more of the '90 twofers (from different sellers). If they are static free then it looks like I'll be picking up these two titles again.
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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2018, 08:26:23 AM »

I love the 2001 mixes, especially, "Carl And The Passion", and "MIU/Love you". I have a very good headphone, and the sound is excellent!
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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2018, 03:09:41 AM »

I love the 2001 mixes, especially, "Carl And The Passion", and "MIU/Love you". I have a very good headphone, and the sound is excellent!

Thank you -

since I got a new hifi set up (partly reshuffled old gear, new connection cables, new speakers, a new player), I guess I'll give these two a go this evening.
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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2018, 10:00:36 AM »

I love the 2001 mixes, especially, "Carl And The Passion", and "MIU/Love you". I have a very good headphone, and the sound is excellent!

The mixes are the same as the 1990 twofers, it's the mastering that's different.

I've always preferred the 1990 CD's despite the noise reduction because the EQ is less harsh and the volume isn't maximized (less compression than on the 2001's).  But I hear if you listen to them with a processor that's HDCD capable, the 2001's sound better.
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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2018, 10:33:37 AM »

In 2001 I didn't want to re-buy all the CDs again unless I knew for sure I'd be getting an upgrade. I bought the Today!/Summer Days... re-master, and...HATED IT. Distortion throughout. Ughghh. That was enough to convince me to not get the rest. So to this day, my main source for many of the Beach Boys' Capitol-era albums are the 1990 twofers.

The 2012 reissues, though....those sound phenomenal. There are some exceptions, though...the "s" is missing from the opening "Sto-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oked!" on the mono mix, and some of the songs on the mono Today! play back slow and/or are not properly centered. But they really sound great otherwise.
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« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2018, 04:45:50 PM »

I've always preferred the 1990 CD's despite the noise reduction because the EQ is less harsh and the volume isn't maximized (less compression than on the 2001's).  But I hear if you listen to them with a processor that's HDCD capable, the 2001's sound better.

It turns out that, like many HDCDs, the 2001 Capitol twofers don't use the peak extension feature so there is absolutely no difference in the dynamic range when they are played back with HDCD decoding.  The 1997 Pet Sounds box does use HDCD peak extension and has a significantly wider dynamic range when properly decoded (at least when I look at the spectrum in Audacity - I must admit I struggle to hear the difference with computer speakers). 

HDCD was a strange beast.  If the peak extension feature is used, the playback will be inferior if the disc is not decoded with HDCD.   On the other hand, a normal CD has sufficient dynamic range that the disc would have sounded just as good on a normal CD player if had been mastered without compression in 16 bits.  It may be worth noting that HDCD can now be decoded in software (e..g with Windows Media Player or libhdcd on Linux).   
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