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Did Brian write this song. I notice on the single from the '70s that its credited to D. Sandler, B. Wilson, and D. Rovell, but then inside of my '88 Rhino Spring album, its credited to M. Wilson, D. Rovell, and D. Sandler. It sounds like something Brian would write. Although, apparently David Sandler is pretty good at that. So who knows. Brian for sure did produce this though right?
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According to the BMI online database, "Shyin' Away" was written by Diane Joy Rovell, David Stuart Sandler and Marilyn Wilson. Curiously, there doesn't seem to be a U.S. copyright filing for the song.
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Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 20, 2010, 11:39:58 PM
Did Brian write this song. I notice on the single from the '70s that its credited to D. Sandler, B. Wilson, and D. Rovell, but then inside of my '88 Rhino Spring album, its credited to M. Wilson, D. Rovell, and D. Sandler. It sounds like something Brian would write. Although, apparently David Sandler is pretty good at that. So who knows. Brian for sure did produce this though right?
I think it's just a Sandler production, like most of the Spring stuff, although I've never heard a straight answer about any of it, so maybe it is BW. I guess that was about the most pointless post I've ever written (and that's sayin something!).
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I can't remember off hand but I think I remember hearing him say he wrote it or perhaps it was Sandler who said that. I think he may have added a bit at least musically. Someone who has heard the Pete Fronatele interview from 1973 recently can probably tell me if my memory is faulty or not.
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Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
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Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
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November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM »
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
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November 22, 2010, 08:51:31 AM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
I must be doing something wrong, because my realplayer keeps saying the links don't work.
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Re: Shyin' Away
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November 22, 2010, 10:23:21 AM »
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
I must be doing something wrong, because my realplayer keeps saying the links don't work.
No realplayer needed - just left click on the link, it goes to the page and it plays. It's idiot proof.
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November 22, 2010, 11:21:33 AM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
I must be doing something wrong, because my realplayer keeps saying the links don't work.
No realplayer needed - just left click on the link, it goes to the page and it plays. It's idiot proof.
Ahh, then you haven't met me personally!
I left click on the links, my realplayer comes up and tells me the link is bad. and that's as far as it goes.
Soooo.... sounds like I have something setup wrong, im my preferences, maybe. Tho if I start messing around "in there", I most likely won't be doing anything at all online, so I'm going to leave bad enough alone.
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Re: Shyin' Away
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November 22, 2010, 11:56:38 AM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
STUMPED AGAIN BY ANDREW DOE...it's turning into a daily task for me.
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Re: Shyin' Away
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November 22, 2010, 12:26:20 PM »
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
I must be doing something wrong, because my realplayer keeps saying the links don't work.
No realplayer needed - just left click on the link, it goes to the page and it plays. It's idiot proof.
Ahh, then you haven't met me personally!
I left click on the links, my realplayer comes up and tells me the link is bad. and that's as far as it goes.
Soooo.... sounds like I have something setup wrong, im my preferences, maybe. Tho if I start messing around "in there", I most likely won't be doing anything at all online, so I'm going to leave bad enough alone.
OK, just cut & paste this into your browser:
http://www.glacierdisc.com/littledipper/Standin'Tall.mp3
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Re: Shyin' Away
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November 22, 2010, 01:49:40 PM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: bgas on November 22, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on November 22, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: astroray on November 22, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Love that song !
It has a really unique way about being in love.
Music is killer too.
"American Spring" is group I would like to see reunite
I agree.
Shyin' Away and Sweet Mountain seem to be the only "new" Brian material, pending on how much Brian had to do with Shyin' Away....I love these production types, they seem very creative-pop. Even the tracks to Tennessee Waltz and Had to Phone Ya are really great.
Ummm... "Sweet Mountain" is a revision/expansion of a track Sandler recorded several years before he met Brian called "Standing Tall" - écouter:
"Standing Tall" clip
"Standing Tall" track clip
I must be doing something wrong, because my realplayer keeps saying the links don't work.
No realplayer needed - just left click on the link, it goes to the page and it plays. It's idiot proof.
Ahh, then you haven't met me personally!
I left click on the links, my realplayer comes up and tells me the link is bad. and that's as far as it goes.
Soooo.... sounds like I have something setup wrong, im my preferences, maybe. Tho if I start messing around "in there", I most likely won't be doing anything at all online, so I'm going to leave bad enough alone.
OK, just cut & paste this into your browser:
http://www.glacierdisc.com/littledipper/Standin'Tall.mp3
Ha Ha !! Quit it, yer killing me.... I cut/pasted/this is what I got:
>>The webpage cannot be found
HTTP 404
Most likely causes:
•There might be a typing error in the address.
•If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date.
What you can try:
Retype the address.
Go back to the previous page.
Go to and look for the information you want.
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This error (HTTP 404 Not Found) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but the page you wanted was not found. It's possible that the webpage is temporarily unavailable. Alternatively, the website might have changed or removed the webpage.
For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. <<
But it's not really important now. Some kind old soul recorded them and sent them to me. After listening, I can say:
SACRILEGE!! I hear only a glimmer of the Spring tracks you allude to, and even there it sounds like Sandler went back after the fact, and tried to record something to make it seem as if he was the 'genius".
Andrew, I can't believe you'd fall for this clattertrap. It's so obvious that Brian was behind all of these tracks, with only minimal input from David Sandler, and only Brian's big heart led to David even getting a mention.
Brian's De MAN!! Any other opinions just don't matter.
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Actually, I can believe it, based on what two key participants told me concerning Brian's involvement.
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November 22, 2010, 02:26:32 PM »
If those are the original tracks... I gotta say, I'm glad Brian's involvement (to whatever degree that happened) improved them significantly. They sound dangerously muzak or lounge-y to me.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Actually, I can believe it, based on what two key participants told me concerning Brian's involvement.
If you can divulge, who are the key participants? And how much involvement did Brian have?
And I kinda considered "Sweet Mountain" Brian's lost classic. But not so much now, I guess.
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Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 22, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Actually, I can believe it, based on what two key participants told me concerning Brian's involvement.
If you can divulge, who are the key participants? And how much involvement did Brian have?
And I kinda considered "Sweet Mountain" Brian's lost classic. But not so much now, I guess.
Well, unless at least one of those two key particpants is Brian, ( both being Brian would be better)
I'll remain unconvinced. Of what I would consider the 4 keys, whom is most able to be trusted? Brian, Marilyn, Diane or David. I go with Brian
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November 22, 2010, 10:15:52 PM »
As Desper told me Brian was in and out of the sessions. As he also told me Brian did make a big difference even when he worked a half on hour.
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Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 22, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Actually, I can believe it, based on what two key participants told me concerning Brian's involvement.
If you can divulge, who are the key participants? And how much involvement did Brian have?
And I kinda considered "Sweet Mountain" Brian's lost classic. But not so much now, I guess.
Sure, no secret: Steve Desper told me it was about 5% Brian (he then added, "of course, 5% of Brian Wilson is better than 100% of most people") and later said that he & Sandler mixed the album as Brian wasn't interested any more. When I put Desper's percentage to Marilyn a few years later, she quickly said "5% ? No, no, more like 25%", with Diane nodding... so even by the most generous estimate, from his then wife and half of the 'band',
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I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
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Quote from: alanjames on November 23, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
Any future reissue of Spring material depends on one person: Marilyn.
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Quote from: alanjames on November 23, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
Any future reissue of Spring material depends on one person: Marilyn.
Does this mean that she owns the rights to all of their material, now?
That would be quite a coup, I'd think. Don't the record companies usually retain ownership of the material and have the right to reissue it ad infinitum?
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Quote from: bgas on November 23, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 23, 2010, 07:22:43 AM
Quote from: alanjames on November 23, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
Any future reissue of Spring material depends on one person: Marilyn.
Does this mean that she owns the rights to all of their material, now?
That would be quite a coup, I'd think. Don't the record companies usually retain ownership of the material and have the right to reissue it ad infinitum?
That's what I was told, by someone who I think would know.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 23, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: bgas on November 23, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 23, 2010, 07:22:43 AM
Quote from: alanjames on November 23, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
Any future reissue of Spring material depends on one person: Marilyn.
Does this mean that she owns the rights to all of their material, now?
That would be quite a coup, I'd think. Don't the record companies usually retain ownership of the material and have the right to reissue it ad infinitum?
That's what I was told, by someone who I think would know.
Rocky Pamplin?
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 23, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: bgas on November 23, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 23, 2010, 07:22:43 AM
Quote from: alanjames on November 23, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I suggested on Sundazed's Facebook page a re-release of Spring recordings with their great quality control: albums, outtakes and unreleased songs.
Any future reissue of Spring material depends on one person: Marilyn.
Does this mean that she owns the rights to all of their material, now?
That would be quite a coup, I'd think. Don't the record companies usually retain ownership of the material and have the right to reissue it ad infinitum?
That's what I was told, by someone who I think would know.
Rocky Pamplin?
Maybe it was Dan R. But he's getting older and sometimes showing is age, so...
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