Brian Wilson not interested in reunion after all

[oldsurferdude]

Well, I'm not buying it, old...dude! Yes, Brian will go down in history, but so will The Beach Boys. Your agrument is very, very weak, seriously!

didn't ask you to buy it, doc. It's not an argument, rather an opinion. Yes it may be weak but it could also be an interesting topic of discussion.

[Mikie]

I agree to a point, but in their 50 years Brian has spent very little time in their touring lineup. So the argument that who wrote the hits and sang lead on some them, really doesn't hold tight. We cannot do anything about Dennis and Carl, but having all of the surviving members on stage would definitely make it more special.

Let me be clear. Mike and Bruce don't do it for me. Without Brian Wilson at the reunion, I don't give a rat's posterior about any reunion. It will mean NOTHING to me. Congrats to Al and Dave if they re-join The Beach Boys band (where they've belonged all along) but without Bri there, it ain't a real reunion for me...........

Even if all Brian does is show up to the reunion, squats down and takes a brute on a plate, that'll be OK with me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Last time I checked Mike Love WAS a "Wilson." Mike's band is very, very, good. Maybe it lacks the cutesy schtick and hair-do's -- but the band sounds great. And I think if you compare setlists, Brian's act falls into "oldies" territory as well, no??? I'm not knocking Brian's act, but let's all face facts about what's what.
 

Something tells me that over the last 10 years or so(check this) Brian has "oldies" act has included Imagination, Smile, TLOS, but I could be wrong, you know.

I think that, at 37 years old when first performed, Smile probably qualifies as an 'oldie'.  

Of course, Brian has performed new material (and I'm glad he has), but there's an excellent reason why, maybe one song excepted, Mike & Bruce haven't: they've not recorded any (as The Beach Boys), as the terms of the BRI license prohibits that.

Smile-a 2004 release that was written in 66-67-not a newie nor an oldie really-is there another term available??

A 'reimagining'... ? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Exceptions might be "The Little Girl I Once Knew" which Brian does (and, yes, Boys I am waiting  

Mike & Bruce have done that in an outstanding segue with "Let Him Run Wild". The fans in London in 2008 thought they'd died and gone to heaven.

[drbeachboy]

Indeed, it was weak. Sorry, I don't mean to be snarky, but no, not interesting at all. It's an old, tired subject that gets beat to death. Any of the survivors have every right to perform those songs. I've seen Brian, Al, and Mike & Bruce. They all have competent, credible bands behind them. As for the word "Argument", I mean it in its strictest sense, and not as in fighting.

[drbeachboy]

I agree to a point, but in their 50 years Brian has spent very little time in their touring lineup. So the argument that who wrote the hits and sang lead on some them, really doesn't hold tight. We cannot do anything about Dennis and Carl, but having all of the surviving members on stage would definitely make it more special.

Let me be clear. Mike and Bruce don't do it for me. Without Brian Wilson at the reunion, I don't give a rat's posterior about any reunion. It will mean NOTHING to me. Congrats to Al and Dave if they re-join The Beach Boys band (where they've belonged all along) but without Bri there, it ain't a real reunion for me...........

Even if all Brian does is show up to the reunion, squats down and takes a brute on a plate, that'll be OK with me.
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Well, alrighty, then. If I was supposed to take all that from your original post, then I apologize.

[Mike's Beard]

True there have only been a handfull of years when Brian was a productive touring member and Mike and Bruce do a fine job without him but it may be worth remembering that Pink Floyd were fantastic live without Roger Waters but the sight of him performing again with them was a truly emotional impact for the many fans who considered them part of the soundtrack to their lives. Some were moved to tears. Of course if Brian has an off day BB fans could be weeping for a completely different reason................

[drbeachboy]

Yeah, but this time around, Brian should be a more fully functional member on stage with The Beach Boys, moreso than since 1964. I'd enjoy it either way, but it will be more special with Brian out there, for sure.

[Cam Mott]

In fairness: Why is it assumed that it's the Beach Boys that necessarily NEED Brian??? No one that goes to their shows is mumbling "where's Brian???" (Or "where's Al," for that matter.) Their shows sell out -- or nearly -- consistently, venues love to book them. What do they NEED Brian to come back for??? From where I'm sitting, it's the Brian camp that needs "The Beach Boys." "Smile '04" was a long time ago, and the Brian Band albums aren't exactly changing the world -- Brian "needs" this more than Mike. Mike is set. Mike banks major coin every time he steps on stage. Does Brian with his 46-piece band playing 2,600 seaters???

50 years is a big one. Of all the stupid things the Beach Boys have done to undermine their career and reputation, turning their back on an obvious buck has never been one of them. And it won't be. Whether on stage, or not, plans ARE in the works to commemorate the 50th. All this talk about "NEED" -- these guys are unbelievably loaded, truly. As far as hurt feelings and making peace -- these guys have been humiliating and betraying each other since before there was even a BAND. Lawsuits??? These guys have a pretty thick skin.

I'm a HowieEdelsonite on this.

[oldsurferdude]

Yeah, but this time around, Brian should be a more fully functional member on stage with The Beach Boys, moreso than since 1964. I'd enjoy it either way, but it will be more special with Brian out there, for sure.

Myke and his band along with Al and Dave will then, in fact, be the real BBs.

[drbeachboy]

@ mikes beard

You brought up a good point: Has Brian ever been a productive member in the BB touring band? I saw at least a half dozen shows personally, and I'd have to say never. He did a solo spot at a 89-90 show I attended, but did little to nothing with the Boys' themselves. Live Aid is the best performance that I think I've witnessed with him onstage.


EDIT: Post 60's touring member.

[oldsurferdude]

Yeah, but this time around, Brian should be a more fully functional member on stage with The Beach Boys, moreso than since 1964. I'd enjoy it either way, but it will be more special with Brian out there, for sure.

Myke and his band along with Al and Dave will then, in fact, be the real BBs.

Edit-Myke along with Brian, Al, and Dave will then, in fact, will be the real BBs.-

[Mike's Beard]

@ mikes beard

You brought up a good point: Has Brian ever been a productive member in the BB touring band? I saw at least a half dozen shows personally, and I'd have to say never. He did a solo spot at a 89-90 show I attended, but did little to nothing with the Boys' themselves. Live Aid is the best performance that I think I've witnessed with him onstage.

It's frustrating because in the early years before the issues took root, Brian was a pretty good live performer.

[drbeachboy]

Yes, I meant post 60's. I edited my original post.

[Ganz Allein]

@ mikes beard

You brought up a good point: Has Brian ever been a productive member in the BB touring band? I saw at least a half dozen shows personally, and I'd have to say never. He did a solo spot at a 89-90 show I attended, but did little to nothing with the Boys' themselves. Live Aid is the best performance that I think I've witnessed with him onstage.


EDIT: Post 60's touring member.

Except that on the Live Aid show, his microphone was turned off.

[drbeachboy]

Untrue. You can hear him on WIBN, I believe, along with Al Jardine.

[Andrew G. Doe]

@ mikes beard

You brought up a good point: Has Brian ever been a productive member in the BB touring band? I saw at least a half dozen shows personally, and I'd have to say never. He did a solo spot at a 89-90 show I attended, but did little to nothing with the Boys' themselves. Live Aid is the best performance that I think I've witnessed with him onstage.


EDIT: Post 60's touring member.

Except that on the Live Aid show, his microphone was turned off.

Not in my house it wasn't.

[donald]

 
Of course, Brian has performed new material (and I'm glad he has), but there's an excellent reason why, maybe one song excepted, Mike & Bruce haven't: they've not recorded any (as The Beach Boys), as the terms of the BRI license prohibits that.
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What would be required as per the terms of the BRI license for a recording to be credited to The Beach Boys?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Of course, Brian has performed new material (and I'm glad he has), but there's an excellent reason why, maybe one song excepted, Mike & Bruce haven't: they've not recorded any (as The Beach Boys), as the terms of the BRI license prohibits that.

What would be required as per the terms of the BRI license for a recording to be credited to The Beach Boys?
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The presence of all three remaining voting board members of BRI.

[Ganz Allein]

@ mikes beard

You brought up a good point: Has Brian ever been a productive member in the BB touring band? I saw at least a half dozen shows personally, and I'd have to say never. He did a solo spot at a 89-90 show I attended, but did little to nothing with the Boys' themselves. Live Aid is the best performance that I think I've witnessed with him onstage.


EDIT: Post 60's touring member.

Except that on the Live Aid show, his microphone was turned off.

Not in my house it wasn't.

I stand corrected. If I would've read further in the Definitive Vocal Credits thread, I would've seen that you had already put that idea to rest. Also, listening to the clips on YouTube I can hear Brian now. Last time I watched, I didn't know what '85 Brian sounded like, so I didn't hear him in the mix; thus, the idea made sense.  D'oh!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Last time I checked Mike Love WAS a "Wilson." Mike's band is very, very, good. Maybe it lacks the cutesy schtick and hair-do's -- but the band sounds great. And I think if you compare setlists, Brian's act falls into "oldies" territory as well, no??? I'm not knocking Brian's act, but let's all face facts about what's what.
 

Something tells me that over the last 10 years or so(check this) Brian has "oldies" act has included Imagination, Smile, TLOS, but I could be wrong, you know.

I think that, at 37 years old when first performed, Smile probably qualifies as an 'oldie'.  

Of course, Brian has performed new material (and I'm glad he has), but there's an excellent reason why, maybe one song excepted, Mike & Bruce haven't: they've not recorded any (as The Beach Boys), as the terms of the BRI license prohibits that.

Smile-a 2004 release that was written in 66-67-not a newie nor an oldie really-is there another term available??

A "no-ldie"?

It's a very good point actually. As Smile was never released until 2004, you could very well argue it as a new work with roots going back to 1967.

Oh the Myke front: yeah, Gershwin gets played by others and gets the credit, but didn't Myke like...... write..... uh,..... the lyrics to just about all of those songs listed? Means he's the CO-WRITER of the song. As in WRITER, as in CREATIVE PARTICIPANT in the song's creation..... More than enough cred to sing them today.

[Cam Mott]

A newldie?

[oldsurferdude]

Last time I checked Mike Love WAS a "Wilson." Mike's band is very, very, good. Maybe it lacks the cutesy schtick and hair-do's -- but the band sounds great. And I think if you compare setlists, Brian's act falls into "oldies" territory as well, no??? I'm not knocking Brian's act, but let's all face facts about what's what.
 

Something tells me that over the last 10 years or so(check this) Brian has "oldies" act has included Imagination, Smile, TLOS, but I could be wrong, you know.

I think that, at 37 years old when first performed, Smile probably qualifies as an 'oldie'.  

Of course, Brian has performed new material (and I'm glad he has), but there's an excellent reason why, maybe one song excepted, Mike & Bruce haven't: they've not recorded any (as The Beach Boys), as the terms of the BRI license prohibits that.

Smile-a 2004 release that was written in 66-67-not a newie nor an oldie really-is there another term available??

A "no-ldie"?

It's a very good point actually. As Smile was never released until 2004, you could very well argue it as a new work with roots going back to 1967.

Oh the Myke front: yeah, Gershwin gets played by others and gets the credit, but didn't Myke like...... write..... uh,..... the lyrics to just about all of those songs listed? Means he's the CO-WRITER of the song. As in WRITER, as in CREATIVE PARTICIPANT in the song's creation..... More than enough cred to sing them today.

Eric-Never said that Myke was not a writer of some lyrics or that he needed credibility to sing said songs-the point expressed was that Brian's presence gives the M&B band the credibility they lack now-remember NWNBB.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Understood. I'm just saying that Myke being co-writer of so many of the songs him and Bruce are singing gives him more than enough credibility to do so whether Brian's onstage or not. Actually, he has almost MORE cred in a funny way being that he was the band's frontman since day one and that Brian was an ever diminishing presence live-wise for most of The Beach Boys career..... But this only goes for THE BEACH BOYS. Brian on his own shows/tours is the man!

[Mikie]

What/where would Mike be doing now without Brian?  Singing Kokomo and cover songs in some rinky dink bar band?

You want a reunion? I mean a real one? Then you get all the surviving members of the band up on a stage playing music at the same time.